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I’m at Wilshire Boulevard.

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And I just came across a theater that has

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a very apropos sign.

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If you can read it, the sign says,

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"Robert Shaw in Jaws.

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Also, Take the Money and Run."

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That’s pretty funny, wouldn’t you say?

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Well, there are all sorts of reasons for

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people going in but the people coming out,

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they were ecstatic.

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Smoking loge is sold out.

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Seats downstairs in the first seven rows only.

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I was in New York at the time and I went with

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two friends of mine,

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Janet Maslin and Albert Brooks.

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The three of us were in the car,

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going over to the Rivoli to
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The ticket holders line went on and on.

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It became this spectacle.

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I kept thinking,

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who are the lucky people that made this movie?

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This shark will swallow you whole.

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- Was it good?
- Very tasty.

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Bloody as hell.

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All these people got eaten up, you know, they just...

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The best I’ve seen in my life. Best movie.

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50 years, we’ve come so far.

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We’re still talking about Jaws
and the effect and the value of

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what that movie said and still says.

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I’ll never forget walking into the theater and

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all the lobby cards were on the wall.

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And I thought, ah, that shark is huge.

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Part of the film’s charm today is almost a nostalgia

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factor of remembering what it was like to see it then.

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It was sort of life-changing at nine years old.

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I don’t remember having an experience that was

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that visceral and that thrilling.

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The whole theater reacted like a musical instrument.

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I read the book first so I sort of knew

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what I was going to see.

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Peter Benchley wrote a book called Jaws.

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A film was made from the book.

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It has already made more money than any

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motion picture in history.

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It was the first blockbuster.

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I’ve seen Jaws in a theater 31 times.

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I was 12 and this started me thinking about

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a career in movies.

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- Is this your first time?
- Ninth time.

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- Your how any?
- Ninth.

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It’s the film I’ve seen the most and I could still

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watch it if it’s on anytime.

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- Who are you?
- Matt Hooper.

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I’m from the Oceanographic Institute.

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I wanted to be Matt Hooper.

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I wanted to be a shark scientist.

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That’s a twenty-footer.

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Twenty-five. Three tons of him.

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Jaws has been an inspiration.

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And there is a completely different attitude now about

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sharks and the ocean.

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In 50 years, it’s been used in so many different ways.

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It was a time when movies were at the pinnacle of

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the cultural conversation.

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I love Jaws.

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I really did because he didn’t eat up no black people.

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You said that there are very few perfect movies.

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I think Jaws fits into that.

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Is that movie going to keep you out of the water?

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It’ll keep me out for a while.

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I definitely won’t be going in now.

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Ever again?

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I was one of those people who, in a bath,

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would have a hard time not
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It is as if God created the devil and

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gave him Jaws.

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See it before you go swimming.

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For me, the story of Jaws is the fact

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that a movie that I thought
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the film that began it.

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Steven, 50 years since Jaws.

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When you hear that, what do you think?

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- When I hear 50 years?
- Roll sound.

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I think of home because the theme of home

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is so consistent with the story of Jaws.

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It’s about getting home.

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About returning home.

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Can we go home now?

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And already being home.

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You want to take him home?

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- Back to New York?
- No, home here.

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So, when I look back at Jaws today at

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those moments of difficulty.

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Should we give you a movement like that?

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The film wound up 100 days

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behind schedule... The shark was not working.

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Whoa, cut, cut.

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And I was terrified I was going to be fired.

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All I thought about was going home.

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Is there anything that you’ve never said about Jaws?

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Let’s find out.

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Steven, how old are you?

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Twenty-seven.

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Twenty-seven.

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How long have you been in the motion picture industry?

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Oh, I’ve been professionally making movies since I was 21.

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I have always had an incredible belief in Steven’s

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ability to do material that sometimes others questioned.

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There may have been occasions when I had a belief in Steven’s

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ability to make material that exceeded Steven’s conviction

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about the material.

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do a great job.

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Steve used to hang around the film department at USC.

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He was always coming over to see if he could find a

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cameraman or somebody who could help him with

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his student films.

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So, when Steve did Duel and it was like a

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feature film for television, I said, this is fantastic.

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Duel opened in Mexico as a feature.

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Then I remember seeing it in a drive-in.

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I met Steven for the first time when he brought

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Sugarland Express to USC film school.

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I want my baby back.

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Now are you going to help me or not?

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I couldn’t believe that this really

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young filmmaker made a movie on that scale.

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He became instantly my hero.

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I held filmmakers and directors off as people that

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existed in another world.

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kind of from my side of the world.

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maybe I can do something like this, too.

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He had made his bones as a director long before

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he did Jaws.

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I think we all felt that this was somebody who

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was going places.

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But not until Jaws, was there any idea of how big

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this could get.

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I didn’t know what I wanted to do next.

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I had been wanting to do a UFO movie not yet called

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Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

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on Sugarland Express.

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I had gone into Richard Zanuck and his partner,

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David Brown’s office, many, many times,

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when I saw a stack of papers in the outer office and

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it was galleys.

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I looked at the top sheet and it said Jaws,

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by Peter Benchley.

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And I had no idea what that meant, Jaws.

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I mean, was it the history of dentistry?

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I read it and I was enthralled.

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And if I read Peter Benchley’s

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Jaws for the first time right now,

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I would have the same rush of excitement that I had

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when I first read the galleys.

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Because in a way, Jaws was a sequel to Duel.

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Duel was this murderous Leviathan on the highway trying

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to kill this traveling salesman in a little car.

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And Jaws is the story of this Leviathan of the sea that

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is rending this seaside resort into bankruptcy unless

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they hire somebody to kill the threat.

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When I wrote a novel called Jaws,

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I was faced with a fascinating challenge,

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how to describe the instincts of an ancient animal that

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threatens modern man with the most horrible of deaths.

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Most people when they hear about Jaws and they realize

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what a culture-changing event that was,

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they want to know how did my dad come up with the idea.

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What I’ve always heard from him was growing up as

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a New York City boy, born and raised in New York,

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he also spent the summers in Nantucket fishing with his dad.

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I grew up on a neighboring island, Nantucket,

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where I first encountered sharks.

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We used to fish for swordfish but they were rare,

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and we caught sharks instead.

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his dad but he also knew what it was like to

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live on an island.

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Our father explained what it means to grow up in a community

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like Amity or Nantucket.

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And he talked about islanders.

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And by islander, I don’t mean a year-rounder.

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To be an islander,

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you have to have been born here and nothing short of

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reincarnation can change your status.

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When do I get to become an islander?

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Ellen, never. Never.

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Before writing Jaws,

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I’d had very little experience in the water with sharks.

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I knew a lot about them academically.

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I’d studied them since I was a child.

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But I really had no experience with sharks at all underwater.

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And then Blue Water, White Death came out.

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- Oh, he’s got to be 12.
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Look at him now.

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later on, I got a 16 millimeter movie camera and

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was shooting film for television and people

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wanted to see sharks.

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It was in about 1965 or ‘67 where we first started to work

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with great white sharks.

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Nobody else in the world had ever done it before.

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Hey, look at him. Sitting on top of the cage.

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Eventually, Peter Gimbel wanted to make a film and

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he employed us to work on it.

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You couldn’t believe.

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It was fantastic.

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Peter Benchley saw Blue Water, White Death

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and that was one of the reasons that he got

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the idea for writing Jaws.

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Peter also had seen Frank Mundus,

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who caught a huge 4,500-pound,

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18-foot shark off of Long Island.

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So, Peter, with his imagination,

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put all of that together and thought,

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what would it be like if one of those sharks just randomly

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decided to stay in one place.

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Peter Benchley researched the science.

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He knew these animals.

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He understood their behavior.

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But if you read the book, the animal is not a villain.

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It is doing what it does.

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And he created characters who could represent both,

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a hardened shark fisherman like Quint.

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I wrote the character of Quint as a

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man who begins with great contempt for sharks and

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is finally obsessed with them,

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driven to kill this particular one.

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And he created a PhD scientist like Hooper

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who understands this is just an animal.

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That doesn’t make it good or bad.

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It just is. It’s part of nature.

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Peter filled in all these other stories about

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Brody and his wife and the affair with Hooper and all this

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stuff with the Mafia because that added texture and

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depth to the story.

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Really one of the most

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humorous things though,

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about the book was finding the title.

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There are several pages

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of suggested titles.

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And Peter and Wendy and our parents were struggling

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over what to call it.

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Oh, we had pretentious ones like "Leviathan Rising."

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And then we had ones about the terror of the deep.

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And Peter’s father said I know what we should call it,

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what’s that noshing on my leg?

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- And this went on for months.
- None of them quite work.

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The day the book was to go to press,

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Tom Congdon from Doubleday said,

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you know I hate to bother you about this,

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but we kind of need a title.

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Peter said, yeah, we've been worrying about that.

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And the only thing that comes to mind that has pleased

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everybody is the word, Jaws.

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Congdon said, "Okay. What's it mean?"

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He said, "I don't know but it's short."

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The cover of Jaws was really difficult.

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The dust jackets for the books evolved.

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The first one was Amity, like an idyllic island in between

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the shark jaws.

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Then they scrapped that one.

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And then they did a version of the shark underneath her.

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And the shark wasn’t very scary.

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It was a little too phallic-looking.

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You know, what you want to say, a penis with teeth, right.

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That’s exactly what it looked like.

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That’s when Roger Kastel came in and

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created that painting for the paperback.

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And then Universal used the same painting,

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which is probably one of the perfect movie posters.

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Jaws was rocketing up the bestseller

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list in 1974.

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And then when the paperback came out,

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it was a multi-million bestseller.

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Peter just wanted to get a novel written.

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And when his agent came and said the movie people are

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interested in optioning it, he said, I don't care.

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Sell them the option.

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It was Helen Gurley Brown who was the editor

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of Cosmopolitan Magazine who gave it to her husband,

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David Brown, a producer.

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And he and Richard Zanuck bought it and the

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rest is history.

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Just by reading the book, the last, I think it was

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110 pages of the novel, the hunt for the shark,

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was so enthralling and so suspenseful,

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you know it frightened me so much.

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I was so angry at being frightened that I wanted to

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frighten back.

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I’ll make this movie and scare them all back.

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When I read it,

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I went to Dick and David’s office on Monday and

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I said, do you have a director?

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Because I would love to direct this.

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And they said, oh, my goodness, there’s already

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a director assigned.

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Peter was part of the process of

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interviewing various people to be the director.

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And I remember that there was one director who called

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the shark a whale all the time.

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So, he was out.

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A week or so later,

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Dick and David called me and they said, it’s available,

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do you still want to do it.

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I was as hungry as the shark was hungry to tell the

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story of Jaws.

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And I didn’t know how it was going to be done,

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how it could be done.

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But my instincts told me that it needed authenticity so the

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shark wouldn’t get laughed at.

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When I made Duel, the studio tried to get me to do the whole

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thing on a process stage with screens out the windows

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of the car.

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And I basically said, I’d rather not make Duel if I have

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to go and do it all fake on a soundstage

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using rear projection.

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And I felt the same way about Jaws.

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I wanted to go to the natural environment so there was some

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kind of verisimilitude.

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So, it needed to be in the ocean, out to sea.

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And so, I knew somehow it had to be done on location.

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You know as an audience member when something is

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real and when something is not.

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And that choice to shoot in open water,

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the audience wins because when you see these characters

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surrounded in complete isolation,

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the loneliness of them, we feel that.

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We’re scared.

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If you really think about Jaws,

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it really is an exercise in pushing the boundaries.

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Like, they could have made that movie on the back lot or

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in a tank and it would’ve been a very,

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very different movie.

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But they were pushing the art form.

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At the same time as Jaws was made,

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you saw all this new crop of unbelievable talent coming in

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to Hollywood in the ‘70s that challenged every assumption of

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what was possible and challenged everything.

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1974.

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In 1974, when I started making Jaws,

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my focus was trying to figure out how to adapt the novel.

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I had never experienced adapting a novel before,

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and Peter Benchley wrote the first three drafts of the

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screenplay, admitted finally, that a screenplay and a novel

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are two different kettles of fish.

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That was a completely different kind of writing for him.

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So, he put a lot of effort into this screenplay and did it a

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couple different times.

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And then various other writers came in.

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David Brown said, why not Howard Sackler,

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he's a great writer.

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He won a Pulitzer for The Great White Hope.

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I was thinking,

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Great White Hope, great white shark.

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That makes sense.

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He created the structure,

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and then after that for a comedy punch-up

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I wanted to bring my friend,

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Carl Gottlieb along to just try to find some lightness and some

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humor between these three disparate characters.

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The mate. Where's the mate?

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The mate is dead. We’ll have to tow the body.

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Where’s the body? Why is the boat torn to pieces?

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Because it’s a great white shark.

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The nice thing was I was able to write a nice part for myself.

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I play Meadows, the editor of the newspaper.

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I want to get on the state wire service,

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to see if Boston will pick it up and go national.

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Call Dave Axelrod in New York, tell him he owes me a favor,

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all right?

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And Steven sent me a script with a note on the cover saying,

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eviscerate it.

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We decided to lose the love interest

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because it was in a movie that was a straight-line adventure

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film about the shark and the town and the hunt.

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The film became much more a story of Chief Brody,

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a kind of reluctant hero, in this case,

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tested by the elements, by nature itself.

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This is a great white, Larry, a big one.

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And any shark expert in the world will tell you

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it’s a killer, it’s a man-eater.

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The great white shark was not well understood by

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the public at large when the film first came out.

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And it became this kind of mythical beast.

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What we are dealing with here is a perfect engine,

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an eating machine.

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I’ve never seen is anything as perfect as a great white shark.

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What really strikes you when you see a great white shark

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in person is not just how long they can be but how

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big around they are.

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Great whites are one of the most epic predators

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that you’ll ever find in the wild.

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They’re essentially governors in the way that

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they control the sizes of all the populations

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beneath them.

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And what did you say the name of the shark is?

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It’s a Carcharodon carcharias.

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It’s a great white.

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The great white shark is a species that has been described

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all over the world in many different ways.

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From man-eater to white pointer to great white shark.

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I remember seeing the shark in Jaws for the first time and

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being completely blown away at how realistic it looked,

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how large it was,

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how impressive and truly authentic to what

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white sharks actually look like.

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This animal still looks just as good as anything

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that’s coming out today, if not better,

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relying almost exclusively on practical effects.

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So, Joe, tell me, where are we?

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Well, this is what I call the art department.

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This is sort of my home base.

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These are the concept sketches that I did early on before we

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had a finished script.

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What happened was,

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David Brown called me and he said, Joe,

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we think Jaws,

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it might make a damn good movie if we could

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sort of illustrate the activity of the shark.

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So, he said, just give me a couple dozen illustrations

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of the shark activity.

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I pretty well did these as it’s described in the galley sheets.

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Joe Alves designed drawings of a shark

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that he could put up against the wall in a production office.

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He did an 18-foot-long shark.

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He did a 26-foot-long shark.

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He did a 32-foot-long shark.

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And these are full-size drawings.

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And we had to evaluate, which one do we commit to,

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which one do we build.

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And for me, the 18-foot shark was not that intimidating.

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But the 32-foot-long shark was not realistic.

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And it would have turned the genre of the film

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into science fantasy.

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The 26-foot-long shark was just right,

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I thought, for Jaws.

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October 1st, 1973, Marshall Green had a meeting.

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He was the head of production at Universal and he said, okay,

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Joe, can you make the shark?

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I says, yeah, I certainly can try.

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He says okay, find somebody and make it off the lot.

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And somebody recommended Bob Mattey.

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And I found Bob and I put a crew together.

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Give me a genius shark-building team.

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- Cheers.
- Bob and Whitey.

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Yeah.

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Whitey doesn’t like to turn around and

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look in the camera.

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He’s a little camera-shy.

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Right. Okay. Just for Steve, final pose here.

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One, one in a million.

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We got seven in the crew.

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I called them the "Magnificent Seven."

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Joe Alves, the...

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Ah, yes.

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And we started building the shark.

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Bob Mattey was taken out of retirement to create the

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creature, the great white shark and its many incarnations.

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What we needed was a shark to go left to right

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and one to go right to left.

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And then one on a big crane.

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So, we had three sharks to build.

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A shed was set up in the San Fernando Valley.

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It was like making Apollo.

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It was like a new invention.

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Bob Mattey, he had the chops.

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And the fact that he had built all this

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other great stuff, like the

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20,000 Leagues Under the Sea giant squid.

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He knew how to build it.

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So yeah, in theory, it’ll work.

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I thought it’d be fun to nickname

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the shark after my attorney, Bruce Ramer.

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So, I started calling the shark Bruce.

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And then in the shark shed where Whitey and Bob Mattey,

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everybody else was working,

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they started calling the shark Bruce.

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And then everybody forgot
why it was being called Bruce.

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It just was named Bruce.

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The film happened to come out at a time when I

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was really teaching myself how visual effects and

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mechanical effects and makeup effects were done.

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And like Bruce, like the shark in Jaws,

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because I wanted a career in that business.

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And I just loved all that stuff.

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As a constructor of animatronics and

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puppets, to operate on that scale with basically

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hydraulic and incredibly powerful machinery,

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that is remarkable.

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Basically, I was doing a lot of research

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with sharks and talked to Ron and Valerie Taylor.

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Ron and Valerie Taylor,

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I knew well from the documentary,

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Blue Water, White Death.

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And I wanted them to bless our production.

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I also wanted them to be able to work on the film.

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And I said to them,

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was there any way we could get actual great white footage

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that I could intercut with the mechanical shark.

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And they said, absolutely.

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We’ll go to the Great Barrier Reef off of

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Australia and we’ll get the footage that you need.

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He simply left it up to Valerie and I to get what we

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could according to the script.

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He basically realized at that time that there would be the

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possibility that he would have to shoot around what we got

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because it’s a wild animal and they just don’t do

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what you want them to.

518
00:23:22,943 --> 00:23:25,070
Back on the lot, the studio said we’re going to

519
00:23:25,154 --> 00:23:27,656
start shooting this movie in the next month.

520
00:23:28,282 --> 00:23:30,409
And I’m saying, wait a minute,

521
00:23:30,492 --> 00:23:32,536
I have a year and a half to build the shark.

522
00:23:33,162 --> 00:23:34,413
No, you don’t.

523
00:23:34,496 --> 00:23:36,916
We’re going to start shooting because the book’s so popular,

524
00:23:36,999 --> 00:23:38,792
that’s all they care about is the money.

525
00:23:39,126 --> 00:23:41,128
They don’t have any idea what we’re doing,

526
00:23:41,211 --> 00:23:42,713
how complicated it was.

527
00:23:42,796 --> 00:23:46,091
No, so Steven got them to postpone it until May.

528
00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:48,719
I remember going out there with

529
00:23:48,802 --> 00:23:52,097
John Milius and George Lucas and John stuck his head

530
00:23:52,181 --> 00:23:55,017
in the shark and said, okay, close the jaws.

531
00:23:56,602 --> 00:23:58,562
And I was screaming, don’t close the jaws.

532
00:23:58,812 --> 00:24:00,773
John, get out of the shark.

533
00:24:01,023 --> 00:24:03,567
A bunch of us went and visited Steven and he wanted

534
00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:05,569
to show us the construction of the shark

535
00:24:05,653 --> 00:24:07,571
which was impressive.

536
00:24:07,655 --> 00:24:08,656
So, I thought great,

537
00:24:08,739 --> 00:24:09,949
this is going to be a good movie.

538
00:24:10,032 --> 00:24:12,117
And it was obvious it was going to be a big hit.

539
00:24:12,201 --> 00:24:14,453
George looked at the shark and said,

540
00:24:14,536 --> 00:24:16,997
this is going to be the most successful movie ever made.

541
00:24:17,498 --> 00:24:19,166
And I, of course looked at George like well,

542
00:24:19,249 --> 00:24:22,044
from your lips to, you know, but I didn’t believe that.

543
00:24:23,045 --> 00:24:25,714
We never, until the last minute,

544
00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:30,260
had a script that was to everybody’s liking.

545
00:24:30,678 --> 00:24:35,557
And the studio wanted us to go ahead before some strike.

546
00:24:36,225 --> 00:24:38,811
And so, we were forced to go on the location,

547
00:24:38,894 --> 00:24:40,688
forced to start shooting.

548
00:24:40,771 --> 00:24:43,607
And he had some serious reservations whether we were

549
00:24:43,691 --> 00:24:44,984
doing the right thing.

550
00:24:46,568 --> 00:24:50,030
We did not go into this picture fully prepared.

551
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:55,828
In the first frames of the movie,

552
00:24:55,911 --> 00:24:57,246
you are a shark.

553
00:24:57,329 --> 00:24:58,914
And you’re just hunting.

554
00:24:59,081 --> 00:25:01,917
It really shows you what’s possible in cinema.

555
00:25:02,084 --> 00:25:04,878
And so, my favorite scene in the film is the opening.

556
00:25:08,257 --> 00:25:10,050
The opening is sensational.

557
00:25:10,718 --> 00:25:13,178
Really sets you up like that.

558
00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:16,098
- Where we going?
- Swimming.

559
00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:19,810
The opening of a film is everything.

560
00:25:20,269 --> 00:25:22,146
If you don’t get that part right,

561
00:25:22,229 --> 00:25:23,814
the rest of it doesn’t matter.

562
00:25:24,231 --> 00:25:27,651
The opening of Jaws, it’s simple and it may be the most

563
00:25:27,735 --> 00:25:29,236
violent scene in the film.

564
00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:34,533
And at the same time, it is one that obscures the monster.

565
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,833
In the original script that

566
00:25:42,916 --> 00:25:45,377
Peter Benchley did, we did show the shark.

567
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,964
But the shark was down getting repaired.

568
00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:53,010
And it was dawning on me that things were scarier without

569
00:25:53,093 --> 00:25:54,511
the shark than with the shark.

570
00:25:56,513 --> 00:25:59,141
I always kind of relate my scene in Jaws to

571
00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:02,853
the scene in Psycho, the lady in the shower.

572
00:26:02,936 --> 00:26:06,273
Because it’s that kind of horrifying thing that comes

573
00:26:06,356 --> 00:26:07,983
out of nowhere.

574
00:26:08,067 --> 00:26:10,069
And I think a lot of what made the scene very,

575
00:26:10,152 --> 00:26:13,697
very scary was the fact that you knew what was down there,

576
00:26:13,947 --> 00:26:15,157
and you knew what was happening,

577
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,450
but you couldn’t see it.

578
00:26:17,701 --> 00:26:20,120
The one filmmaker that influenced me

579
00:26:20,204 --> 00:26:23,457
the most in the making of Jaws was Alfred Hitchcock.

580
00:26:24,124 --> 00:26:26,001
What Alfred Hitchcock could do with the power

581
00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:28,087
of suggestion I thought,

582
00:26:28,170 --> 00:26:31,298
if just a little bit of that could be sprinkled on my mojo,

583
00:26:31,548 --> 00:26:34,760
then maybe I could make Jaws with a real tip of my

584
00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:36,762
cap toward Hitch.

585
00:26:37,763 --> 00:26:40,265
The whole question of Jaws is,

586
00:26:40,349 --> 00:26:41,892
how big is it.

587
00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:44,353
What does this fish really look like underneath?

588
00:26:44,812 --> 00:26:46,814
And throughout the film,

589
00:26:46,897 --> 00:26:49,149
he gives us a little bit more of a taste as we go.

590
00:26:51,652 --> 00:26:53,320
When we were shooting the scene,

591
00:26:53,403 --> 00:26:57,032
she had a harness on and so we had a line that would

592
00:26:57,116 --> 00:27:03,038
go to five people on one rope
and five people on another rope.

593
00:27:04,206 --> 00:27:08,043
I wanted this effect, back and forth.

594
00:27:10,045 --> 00:27:12,756
And I thought it would be a lot scarier if we see the

595
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,843
force of how the shark is carrying her across the water.

596
00:27:16,593 --> 00:27:18,387
I will never forget that opening sequence

597
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:22,766
where she is dragged ruthlessly through the ocean and the

598
00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:24,768
different camera perspectives and how she’s

599
00:27:24,852 --> 00:27:26,270
being pulled away from us,

600
00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:29,231
powerless to this threat beneath the surface.

601
00:27:29,815 --> 00:27:33,986
If they’re willing to do that, three minutes into the movie,

602
00:27:34,194 --> 00:27:36,989
what else are they willing to do?

603
00:27:38,907 --> 00:27:43,120
Oh, God help me! God, please help!

604
00:27:59,928 --> 00:28:02,389
Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts,

605
00:28:02,723 --> 00:28:05,392
an island off the island seaboard, beautiful,

606
00:28:05,475 --> 00:28:08,353
picturesque and about to be disguised as the

607
00:28:08,437 --> 00:28:10,731
fictional town of Amity.

608
00:28:14,484 --> 00:28:16,445
Is it true that the art director is the one who

609
00:28:16,528 --> 00:28:17,654
chose Martha’s Vineyard?

610
00:28:17,738 --> 00:28:19,448
The art director came down and looked

611
00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:21,617
at the entire eastern seaboard.

612
00:28:22,576 --> 00:28:24,286
I don’t know why but I had heard a lot about

613
00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:28,123
Martha’s Vineyard as a small summer community that

614
00:28:28,206 --> 00:28:31,376
might suit this picture and I suggested he go to see it.

615
00:28:32,753 --> 00:28:37,758
I needed a bay with a 25-foot depth and a low tide.

616
00:28:38,425 --> 00:28:40,010
I had a whole map of New England,

617
00:28:40,761 --> 00:28:43,931
and I went through all these various little villages.

618
00:28:44,973 --> 00:28:47,059
And I see there's a boat to Martha's Vineyard.

619
00:28:47,768 --> 00:28:52,940
So, I went there January 17th and I found out the depth was

620
00:28:53,023 --> 00:28:57,819
only 25 feet, two-foot tide, and I thought oh, my God,

621
00:28:58,111 --> 00:28:59,947
this is going to be a success.

622
00:29:01,490 --> 00:29:04,201
Martha's Vineyard is an island.

623
00:29:04,284 --> 00:29:07,955
It's a little spit of land off the coast of Massachusetts.

624
00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:13,043
It is a stunning piece of land and a summer resort.

625
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,047
I’ve spent a lot of time in Martha’s Vineyard

626
00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:19,716
and all of the non-actors that he use,

627
00:29:20,008 --> 00:29:23,053
they really represent the spirit of this idyllic peaceful

628
00:29:23,136 --> 00:29:25,931
safe place that’s sort of Bohemian.

629
00:29:26,390 --> 00:29:28,100
And I think even if you go now, it feels like a

630
00:29:28,183 --> 00:29:30,185
‘70s time capsule still.

631
00:29:30,352 --> 00:29:34,022
And I think all of that helps because it gives the

632
00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:35,857
world such authenticity.

633
00:29:36,358 --> 00:29:39,236
Listen, Chief, be careful, will you?

634
00:29:39,653 --> 00:29:41,405
- In this town? Hey.
- Hi, dad.

635
00:29:42,072 --> 00:29:44,992
Martha’s Vineyard was a delightful place to shoot.

636
00:29:45,075 --> 00:29:47,244
I really enjoyed it. It was thrilling.

637
00:29:47,411 --> 00:29:50,080
I’d never been on a location before other than

638
00:29:50,163 --> 00:29:51,790
for television shoots.

639
00:29:51,999 --> 00:29:53,875
But never for a movie.

640
00:29:54,126 --> 00:29:56,169
And I was feeling so full of myself.

641
00:29:57,629 --> 00:30:00,090
Martha’s Vineyard means so much to this movie, Jaws.

642
00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:02,467
If you think of it, there are only eight people that came

643
00:30:02,551 --> 00:30:04,094
from Hollywood to be in this movie.

644
00:30:04,219 --> 00:30:06,847
You have Roy Scheider, Richard Dreyfuss, Robert Shaw,

645
00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:09,558
Lorraine Gary, Murray Hamilton, Teddy Grossman,

646
00:30:09,766 --> 00:30:11,935
Susan Backlinie, and Carl Gottlieb.

647
00:30:12,352 --> 00:30:14,479
Everyone else you see in the movie are locals

648
00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:15,522
from Martha’s Vineyard.

649
00:30:15,856 --> 00:30:18,233
We had a shark attack at South Beach this morning, Mayor.

650
00:30:18,358 --> 00:30:19,151
Fatal.

651
00:30:19,234 --> 00:30:20,318
I’ve got to batten down the beach.

652
00:30:20,569 --> 00:30:23,488
I read about the shooting of Jaws in

653
00:30:23,572 --> 00:30:25,490
the vineyard newspapers.

654
00:30:25,866 --> 00:30:28,452
So, I called my agent and he set up a meeting.

655
00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:31,204
And I flew to Boston and met Steven.

656
00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:35,375
He knew I was from the island and I think he wanted

657
00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,794
some real island feel.

658
00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,839
And listen, I was lucky to be in this.

659
00:30:41,173 --> 00:30:42,424
You folks were born here, right?

660
00:30:42,507 --> 00:30:43,800
Yeah, I’m in Islander.

661
00:30:43,884 --> 00:30:44,968
When we did Jaws,

662
00:30:45,052 --> 00:30:46,887
I’d turned 19 in January that year.

663
00:30:47,596 --> 00:30:50,182
They tried to put me in a pair of sort of bell-bottom

664
00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:52,476
blue jeans and what almost would’ve been the

665
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,853
top of a union suit that was sort of

666
00:30:54,936 --> 00:30:56,021
tie-dyed and pink.

667
00:30:56,104 --> 00:30:59,107
And I was like, that’s not really what I’d wear.

668
00:30:59,191 --> 00:31:01,902
So, they said, okay, well, bring your own wardrobe.

669
00:31:01,985 --> 00:31:05,322
So, pair of khakis and, oxford cloth shirt,

670
00:31:05,405 --> 00:31:07,991
and I still have the sweater that I wore.

671
00:31:08,408 --> 00:31:10,368
- Wow, put it on like this.
- There we go.

672
00:31:12,913 --> 00:31:15,082
You know what the best news is, it still fits.

673
00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:17,250
Yes, amazing, huh?

674
00:31:17,417 --> 00:31:19,169
Well, I had very good success casting

675
00:31:19,252 --> 00:31:21,254
Sugarland Express with a casting director

676
00:31:21,338 --> 00:31:22,839
named Shari Rhodes.

677
00:31:23,548 --> 00:31:26,134
And we had tremendous success with real people.

678
00:31:26,259 --> 00:31:28,095
You ever do some time in prison, son?

679
00:31:28,261 --> 00:31:30,055
So, I asked Shari if she would cast Jaws.

680
00:31:30,138 --> 00:31:32,265
And I said let’s get locals from Martha’s Vineyard to

681
00:31:32,349 --> 00:31:34,976
perform in this movie or even from Boston.

682
00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:37,604
Shari Rhodes did an amazing

683
00:31:37,687 --> 00:31:41,233
job of casting people who looked and acted like they

684
00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:43,777
just walked in off the street.

685
00:31:44,027 --> 00:31:45,320
And what kind of shark?

686
00:31:45,403 --> 00:31:48,281
- It’s a tiger shark.
- A what?

687
00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:51,201
She spent time there and got to know people.

688
00:31:51,576 --> 00:31:54,663
I just put some suntan lotion on and I’m trying to

689
00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:56,081
absorb some of this sun.

690
00:31:56,164 --> 00:32:00,085
Nobody’s going in. Please, get the water.

691
00:32:00,794 --> 00:32:03,255
I mean, all those people in that board

692
00:32:03,338 --> 00:32:06,091
meeting in the town hall, they’re real.

693
00:32:06,508 --> 00:32:09,594
Is that $3,000 bounty on the shark in cash or check?

694
00:32:12,055 --> 00:32:12,889
I don’t think it’s funny.

695
00:32:12,973 --> 00:32:14,141
I don’t think that’s funny at all.

696
00:32:14,224 --> 00:32:18,311
It gives the whole movie more of a documentary impromptu feel.

697
00:32:18,728 --> 00:32:19,563
Hello.

698
00:32:19,646 --> 00:32:22,149
Hello back, young feller, how are you?

699
00:32:23,024 --> 00:32:24,609
This is Craig Kingsbury,

700
00:32:24,693 --> 00:32:27,988
known by some folks on the island as the island character.

701
00:32:28,488 --> 00:32:30,198
It’s like one big family.

702
00:32:30,574 --> 00:32:32,951
And you hear what’s going on in Edgartown.

703
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,954
A lot of it’s laughable and joking and fun and family

704
00:32:36,037 --> 00:32:37,414
fights and all that.

705
00:32:37,664 --> 00:32:38,748
But they all get out.

706
00:32:38,832 --> 00:32:40,417
What’s the serious business, though?

707
00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:42,460
We don’t have anything too serious.

708
00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:45,005
Kingsbury made all his dialogue up.

709
00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:47,591
Every time he opens his mouth, that’s Craig talking.

710
00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:48,884
We didn’t write lines for him.

711
00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:52,304
Wait till we get them surly bastards down in that rock pile,

712
00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:54,598
there’ll be some fun, they’ll wish their fathers had

713
00:32:54,681 --> 00:32:57,434
never met their mothers when they start taking their bottoms

714
00:32:57,517 --> 00:32:59,728
out and slamming into them rocks, boy.

715
00:33:00,020 --> 00:33:01,980
Every character has a little bit of an arc,

716
00:33:02,063 --> 00:33:04,524
a little bit of a story so that when they enter the picture,

717
00:33:04,608 --> 00:33:06,526
you’re interested in them.

718
00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:09,029
And when they exit the picture, you miss them.

719
00:33:09,946 --> 00:33:12,115
I feel that Jaws is more of a people

720
00:33:12,199 --> 00:33:13,742
picture than a shark movie.

721
00:33:13,867 --> 00:33:15,410
Without those people,

722
00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:17,329
you wouldn’t give a hang about the shark.

723
00:33:22,125 --> 00:33:24,586
We’re in one of our locations here on Martha’s Vineyard in

724
00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:26,004
the town of Oak Bluffs.

725
00:33:26,213 --> 00:33:28,965
And this is one of our four retail stores in town.

726
00:33:29,132 --> 00:33:31,134
And it’s one of the places where we keep the

727
00:33:31,218 --> 00:33:33,011
Jaws memory alive.

728
00:33:34,387 --> 00:33:35,680
I’m Todd Rebello.

729
00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:37,265
My brother played Michael Brody.

730
00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:38,558
His name was Chris Rebello.

731
00:33:38,642 --> 00:33:40,352
Mom, I got cut.

732
00:33:40,435 --> 00:33:41,519
I got bit by a vampire.

733
00:33:41,603 --> 00:33:43,647
I have one great memory,

734
00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:45,732
the day when he says, I got bit by a vampire.

735
00:33:45,815 --> 00:33:48,485
We were out on the front lawn and it was my brother and

736
00:33:48,568 --> 00:33:50,403
I and Steven.

737
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:53,323
And he was just asking us question after question.

738
00:33:53,406 --> 00:33:55,617
He really did relate as somebody young.

739
00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:58,453
You know, he could’ve been your older brother in a sense.

740
00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:00,247
Ponds are for old ladies.

741
00:34:00,330 --> 00:34:02,499
I know it’s for the old ladies but just do it for the

742
00:34:02,582 --> 00:34:04,251
old man, huh?

743
00:34:04,417 --> 00:34:05,710
My brother passed away at 37.

744
00:34:05,794 --> 00:34:07,712
It was fairly tragic, three kids.

745
00:34:07,796 --> 00:34:10,674
So, anything I can do to keep that memory alive and

746
00:34:10,757 --> 00:34:12,467
the memory of him, I try to help.

747
00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:19,557
After a couple of days of being on the set

748
00:34:19,641 --> 00:34:21,309
with my children,

749
00:34:21,393 --> 00:34:25,397
I was asked to be in charge of taking care of the kids.

750
00:34:26,648 --> 00:34:29,526
Most of the time I was in the background and I had my movie

751
00:34:29,609 --> 00:34:31,027
camera with me.

752
00:34:31,111 --> 00:34:32,821
That was back in the Super 8 days.

753
00:34:35,865 --> 00:34:39,119
I was very happy to see all the local people being

754
00:34:39,202 --> 00:34:40,328
a part of this.

755
00:34:40,537 --> 00:34:42,706
And we would talk about it even years later.

756
00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:44,582
We still do as a matter of fact,

757
00:34:44,833 --> 00:34:46,126
with Jeff Voorhees,

758
00:34:46,209 --> 00:34:48,128
the little boy that gets eaten by the shark.

759
00:34:48,628 --> 00:34:51,214
I’m going to get my raft and go back out on the water.

760
00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:52,841
Let me see your fingers.

761
00:34:54,342 --> 00:34:56,261
Alex Kintner, they’re beginning to prune.

762
00:34:56,636 --> 00:34:58,555
Just let me go out a little longer.

763
00:34:58,638 --> 00:35:00,348
Just 10 more minutes.

764
00:35:00,473 --> 00:35:03,560
- Thanks.
- They filmed that here in May.

765
00:35:04,185 --> 00:35:06,146
That’s when that scene I was in.

766
00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:08,648
And if you know the water up here in New England,

767
00:35:08,815 --> 00:35:10,609
Martha’s Vineyard, you know,

768
00:35:10,692 --> 00:35:12,569
I won’t swim here now until July.

769
00:35:12,652 --> 00:35:14,362
This water is freezing cold in May.

770
00:35:14,738 --> 00:35:16,239
So, people were like, were you afraid of the shark?

771
00:35:16,323 --> 00:35:17,657
No, I was afraid of freezing my 12-year-old

772
00:35:17,741 --> 00:35:19,367
ass off in that water.

773
00:35:22,329 --> 00:35:23,872
I think the Kintner scene is

774
00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:27,334
a beautiful example of Spielberg’s gift.

775
00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:30,420
Every single choice he makes,

776
00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:34,215
it’s about the tension and the paranoia and that sense

777
00:35:34,299 --> 00:35:35,842
of you don’t know quite where to look.

778
00:35:36,217 --> 00:35:38,553
The tension that’s built with the cinematic

779
00:35:38,637 --> 00:35:41,389
devices in the scene are so immersive,

780
00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:43,433
so seamless and flawless.

781
00:35:45,185 --> 00:35:47,145
It’s got the wipes.

782
00:35:47,228 --> 00:35:49,147
It’s got the split diopter.

783
00:35:49,731 --> 00:35:51,107
And then when it hits,

784
00:35:51,191 --> 00:35:54,027
the push-pull zoom that Hitchcock pioneered.

785
00:35:54,361 --> 00:35:58,698
He just brings the audience along in the perfect pacing,

786
00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:01,159
and then it's delivered.

787
00:36:06,247 --> 00:36:09,250
All of this is in aid of putting

788
00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:13,380
you inside of Brody’s experience of being on the

789
00:36:13,463 --> 00:36:17,258
beach that day when this terrible thing happens.

790
00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:19,511
- Get out of the water.
- Get everybody out.

791
00:36:20,303 --> 00:36:21,513
Get out.

792
00:36:21,721 --> 00:36:23,890
Well, in those days I wasn’t thinking about cinema.

793
00:36:23,973 --> 00:36:25,934
I was thinking about shots.

794
00:36:26,768 --> 00:36:28,895
When to go close and when to be wide,

795
00:36:29,062 --> 00:36:30,855
when to give the audience a sense of geography

796
00:36:30,939 --> 00:36:32,565
so they’re not lost.

797
00:36:32,816 --> 00:36:34,401
At first, shooting the scene,

798
00:36:34,484 --> 00:36:36,152
they had a mannequin.

799
00:36:36,236 --> 00:36:39,406
They put it on a raft and a mechanical shark

800
00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:41,574
bites this little mannequin.

801
00:36:44,828 --> 00:36:47,580
And there was this big barrel
right near the top of the water

802
00:36:47,872 --> 00:36:49,082
and it’s full of blood.

803
00:36:49,165 --> 00:36:52,252
He goes, you’re going to take your raft out to that barrel,

804
00:36:52,335 --> 00:36:54,504
and all of a sudden, all the blood starts shooting

805
00:36:54,587 --> 00:36:56,673
up like a rocket.

806
00:36:56,923 --> 00:36:58,007
And you see me go up and down.

807
00:36:58,091 --> 00:37:00,760
That’s two guys lifting me in and out of the water.

808
00:37:00,927 --> 00:37:02,637
Then pull you under and give you air.

809
00:37:04,764 --> 00:37:05,932
Poor Jeff.

810
00:37:06,015 --> 00:37:08,268
He came up out of the water, you know,

811
00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:10,603
he got all that stuff out of his eyes.

812
00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:12,272
Alex?

813
00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:14,733
And then he did it again and it worked fine.

814
00:37:15,984 --> 00:37:17,068
Alex?

815
00:37:20,864 --> 00:37:24,451
These are rare events but the reality is, it does happen.

816
00:37:24,534 --> 00:37:27,328
A shark is attracted to the exact kind of splashing and

817
00:37:27,412 --> 00:37:29,789
activity that occurs whenever human beings go in swimming.

818
00:37:29,873 --> 00:37:31,082
You cannot avoid it.

819
00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:33,001
The sharks are not infesting the waters.

820
00:37:33,084 --> 00:37:34,711
The sharks live in the water, right.

821
00:37:34,794 --> 00:37:37,255
And we put ourselves into their environment.

822
00:37:37,338 --> 00:37:39,632
And so, we are taking an inherent risk any time we

823
00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:41,217
choose to go into the water.

824
00:37:41,301 --> 00:37:44,387
The only way that a shark can taste something or can know

825
00:37:44,471 --> 00:37:46,598
what something is is sort of by biting it.

826
00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:49,267
And they make a decision about
whether that’s going to be what

827
00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:50,477
they’re going to eat or not.

828
00:37:50,643 --> 00:37:51,895
And in a lot of cases,

829
00:37:51,978 --> 00:37:53,938
they’ll just say no, that’s not right.

830
00:37:54,022 --> 00:37:54,856
And they’ll swim away.

831
00:37:55,023 --> 00:37:57,734
There was a deadly shark attack on Cape Cod.

832
00:37:57,984 --> 00:38:00,361
It is the first fatal shark attack in

833
00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:03,615
Massachusetts since 1936.

834
00:38:03,948 --> 00:38:06,367
When boogie boarder Arthur Medici,

835
00:38:06,451 --> 00:38:09,370
was killed by a great white shark off Cape Cod,

836
00:38:09,496 --> 00:38:11,414
where we do all of our research,

837
00:38:11,498 --> 00:38:13,958
it had a profound effect, personally.

838
00:38:14,042 --> 00:38:16,503
And subsequently, professionally.

839
00:38:16,586 --> 00:38:20,423
It was the first fatality in over 80 years on the Cape and

840
00:38:20,673 --> 00:38:23,134
it impacted the whole community.

841
00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:25,762
Are you going to close the beaches?

842
00:38:26,638 --> 00:38:27,972
Yes, we are.

843
00:38:29,849 --> 00:38:31,017
Unlike the film,

844
00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:32,852
we weren’t trying to hide anything.

845
00:38:32,936 --> 00:38:36,439
And I will admit, there was one or two beach managers that

846
00:38:36,523 --> 00:38:38,107
didn’t want to talk about sharks.

847
00:38:38,358 --> 00:38:39,859
It’s all psychological.

848
00:38:40,068 --> 00:38:44,197
You yell barracuda, everybody says, huh, what?

849
00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:50,453
You yell shark, we’ve got a panic on our hands on

850
00:38:50,537 --> 00:38:51,704
the 4th of July.

851
00:38:52,539 --> 00:38:54,916
Jaws came out at a moment in history,

852
00:38:54,999 --> 00:38:59,337
certainly in the US but worldwide as well where we

853
00:38:59,420 --> 00:39:02,298
were just emerging from civil unrest.

854
00:39:03,007 --> 00:39:08,596
That era, in the early 70s, spoke to these emotional

855
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,267
elements within humans about fear, about danger,

856
00:39:12,392 --> 00:39:16,187
about things that don’t have easy answers.

857
00:39:16,396 --> 00:39:18,731
What was happening in America was the Vietnam War.

858
00:39:18,815 --> 00:39:19,899
And Watergate.

859
00:39:20,066 --> 00:39:23,570
I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow.

860
00:39:23,987 --> 00:39:25,530
These were the turbulent times while we

861
00:39:25,613 --> 00:39:26,865
were making the film.

862
00:39:28,616 --> 00:39:31,077
The idea of a corrupt politician trying to hide

863
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,372
something from the citizens was very powerful.

864
00:39:34,622 --> 00:39:35,999
Murray Hamilton in a

865
00:39:36,082 --> 00:39:37,667
kind of local government,

866
00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:41,504
represented power and commerce over human safety.

867
00:39:42,797 --> 00:39:44,424
So, he represented a lot.

868
00:39:46,092 --> 00:39:50,096
You knew it was dangerous but you let people

869
00:39:50,179 --> 00:39:51,931
go swimming anyway.

870
00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:54,642
The shark isn’t even the greatest monster

871
00:39:54,726 --> 00:39:55,810
in the film.

872
00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:59,689
The fact that the money and the bottom line is working

873
00:39:59,772 --> 00:40:02,984
under the surface as being more valuable than the

874
00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:04,736
lives at stake,

875
00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:07,947
is something that is always true to a certain extent

876
00:40:08,031 --> 00:40:09,949
in this capitalist society.

877
00:40:10,325 --> 00:40:11,534
We will be open for business.

878
00:40:11,618 --> 00:40:13,828
It’s going to be one of the best summers we’ve ever had.

879
00:40:13,995 --> 00:40:15,705
The book got a lot of curious reviews.

880
00:40:15,788 --> 00:40:17,373
Some people really liked it a lot.

881
00:40:17,457 --> 00:40:18,416
Some people hated it.

882
00:40:18,499 --> 00:40:20,835
Those beaches will be open for this weekend.

883
00:40:21,044 --> 00:40:23,421
My favorite review of all I never even read

884
00:40:23,504 --> 00:40:24,547
because it wasn’t written.

885
00:40:24,631 --> 00:40:27,091
Frank Mankiewicz was interviewing Fidel Castro and

886
00:40:27,175 --> 00:40:29,302
asking, what do you read?

887
00:40:29,552 --> 00:40:31,930
And Castro said, well most recently I’ve read a book

888
00:40:32,013 --> 00:40:33,348
called Tiburon.

889
00:40:33,723 --> 00:40:35,183
And Mankiewicz said why are you reading

890
00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:36,893
commercial American thrillers?

891
00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:38,728
And Castro said, ah, no, you’re wrong.

892
00:40:38,811 --> 00:40:40,438
This is not a commercial American thriller.

893
00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:41,856
This is a marvelous metaphor about the

894
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:43,942
corruption of capitalism.

895
00:40:44,192 --> 00:40:46,945
And I tried to get Doubleday to use it in an ad.

896
00:40:47,028 --> 00:40:48,112
Can you imagine the ad that says,

897
00:40:48,196 --> 00:40:50,907
marvelous metaphor about the corruption of capitalism

898
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:52,659
slash Fidel Castro.

899
00:40:53,034 --> 00:40:56,162
Who else could have a quote from Fidel Castro, please?

900
00:40:56,412 --> 00:40:57,997
But they wouldn’t do it.

901
00:40:58,665 --> 00:41:01,668
In recent days, a cloud has appeared on the horizon of this

902
00:41:01,751 --> 00:41:04,462
beautiful resort community, a cloud in the shape

903
00:41:04,545 --> 00:41:05,838
of a killer shark.

904
00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:09,175
I was in my apartment and Jaws was on the TV.

905
00:41:09,717 --> 00:41:13,137
My dad has almost been dead for 20 years now and suddenly

906
00:41:13,221 --> 00:41:14,681
I heard my dad talking to me.

907
00:41:14,764 --> 00:41:16,724
And I kind of stopped and turned around and it was

908
00:41:16,808 --> 00:41:18,476
because it was the scene in Jaws where he’s interviewing

909
00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:20,103
the mayor on the beach.

910
00:41:20,186 --> 00:41:21,270
Background action.

911
00:41:21,354 --> 00:41:24,023
With me here today is the mayor of Amity, Lawrence Vaughn.

912
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,567
Now Mr. Vaughn, how about those rumors?

913
00:41:27,110 --> 00:41:28,903
All right, Murray, that’ll do it.

914
00:41:29,153 --> 00:41:30,363
Okay, cut.

915
00:41:30,446 --> 00:41:32,156
I love when we’re able to go back and see

916
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,825
and then remember everything about him.

917
00:41:33,908 --> 00:41:35,535
And it’s, it’s really a gift.

918
00:41:35,785 --> 00:41:37,787
The beaches are opened and the people are having

919
00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:38,663
a wonderful time.

920
00:41:38,746 --> 00:41:40,873
Amity, as you know means friendship.

921
00:41:41,708 --> 00:41:42,917
David, you and I have talked about this.

922
00:41:43,001 --> 00:41:45,753
We were both around during the shooting of a big beach panic

923
00:41:45,837 --> 00:41:47,130
scene and we wondered,

924
00:41:47,213 --> 00:41:49,966
God, what would happen if something really did come in

925
00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:52,218
during a scene like this and began to eat people.

926
00:41:52,552 --> 00:41:56,472
The Cape Cod radio only last night reported the spotting of

927
00:41:56,556 --> 00:41:59,642
a great white that went so close to the shore that it was

928
00:41:59,726 --> 00:42:01,394
observed by a lifeguard.

929
00:42:01,561 --> 00:42:04,272
Which adds further credence to the notion that our beach panic

930
00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:07,817
might indeed have been invaded by a great white.

931
00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:10,153
In which case we would’ve had a double beach

932
00:42:10,236 --> 00:42:12,113
panic or more horrifyingly,

933
00:42:12,196 --> 00:42:13,781
our actors would’ve thought it was

934
00:42:13,865 --> 00:42:14,907
part of the movie.

935
00:42:14,991 --> 00:42:16,993
We would’ve had to use the old Pearl Harbor line,

936
00:42:17,076 --> 00:42:18,578
"This is no drill."

937
00:42:25,626 --> 00:42:28,880
The bridge is the number one spot and it’s also the

938
00:42:28,963 --> 00:42:31,174
number one fun spot because while you’re not

939
00:42:31,257 --> 00:42:32,800
supposed to jump off the bridge,

940
00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:36,054
150, 200 people jump off that bridge an hour.

941
00:42:37,722 --> 00:42:40,224
I have yet to jump off the Jaws bridge.

942
00:42:40,349 --> 00:42:43,144
I have not plucked up the courage to do that.

943
00:42:43,394 --> 00:42:46,522
Shark. It’s a shark.

944
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:50,443
Jaws bridge is where it all happened for me.

945
00:42:50,902 --> 00:42:55,114
I was one of the three boys on the sailfish inside the estuary.

946
00:42:56,324 --> 00:42:57,700
You can’t do a damn thing to it.

947
00:42:57,784 --> 00:42:59,118
- Get that rope.
- Get this undone. Come on.

948
00:42:59,202 --> 00:43:00,703
- You got it tangled up there.
- Melvin.

949
00:43:00,787 --> 00:43:02,121
I’m doing it!

950
00:43:02,246 --> 00:43:03,706
My biggest highlight in life was

951
00:43:03,790 --> 00:43:05,041
having my children.

952
00:43:05,124 --> 00:43:06,709
This was probably number two.

953
00:43:07,418 --> 00:43:08,961
You guys okay over there?

954
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:11,339
I was going to be a victim in the estuary.

955
00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:19,138
When I dropped into the mouth, the shark head would open and

956
00:43:19,222 --> 00:43:21,224
there’s a lot of mechanism under there.

957
00:43:21,307 --> 00:43:25,061
And so, that particular shot was worked by the guys in the

958
00:43:25,144 --> 00:43:27,772
barge with air rams, you know, everybody’s working the mouth.

959
00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:30,358
One guy works the head moving back and forth.

960
00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:33,194
You think, geez, am I going to get in the shark’s mouth and

961
00:43:33,277 --> 00:43:34,654
he’s going to clamp on me.

962
00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:38,950
But Bob Mattey did all the shark special-effects

963
00:43:39,033 --> 00:43:40,827
and he’s fabulous.

964
00:43:45,915 --> 00:43:49,252
There are a couple of scenes that were shot where he really

965
00:43:49,335 --> 00:43:53,131
does look like a great white shark that I would see in my

966
00:43:53,214 --> 00:43:54,757
work right now.

967
00:43:55,216 --> 00:43:57,593
When the shark turns on its side,

968
00:43:57,677 --> 00:44:01,681
that to me is an incredibly realistic view of a white shark.

969
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:04,433
I wanted it to be real.

970
00:44:04,517 --> 00:44:06,894
I wanted to show what happens when a shark bites you.

971
00:44:09,397 --> 00:44:11,357
I was certainly aware I was going to make it as scary and

972
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,193
as realistically brutal as I possibly could.

973
00:44:14,819 --> 00:44:16,237
Marker.

974
00:44:17,905 --> 00:44:19,740
And then later on in the editing room I

975
00:44:19,824 --> 00:44:22,285
was able to come to my senses in a couple of sequences,

976
00:44:22,493 --> 00:44:26,622
and cut things out long before the MPAA ever saw the movie.

977
00:44:28,958 --> 00:44:32,837
I think a great horror or great thriller is the

978
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,300
perfect tailor-made nightmare for its protagonist.

979
00:44:38,009 --> 00:44:41,304
And you know, when you talk about the mysticism of Jaws,

980
00:44:41,387 --> 00:44:45,391
this shark getting closer and closer to this person who

981
00:44:45,474 --> 00:44:50,188
doesn’t like the water, it’s this mystical connection

982
00:44:50,688 --> 00:44:53,274
between hero and monster and you feel that.

983
00:44:57,737 --> 00:44:59,906
Guys, we can’t shoot right now. Hold on. Hold on.

984
00:45:01,407 --> 00:45:02,992
Have that boat go out and pull the anchor up and reset

985
00:45:03,075 --> 00:45:04,452
it out there, okay?

986
00:45:04,911 --> 00:45:06,370
This is my second day at sea.

987
00:45:06,454 --> 00:45:09,498
And I have 54 more days to go.

988
00:45:09,957 --> 00:45:14,712
And if I survive this, I’ll have learned a lot because

989
00:45:14,795 --> 00:45:18,216
right now, all I can tell you is it’s twice as slow shooting

990
00:45:18,299 --> 00:45:19,926
at sea as it is shooting on land.

991
00:45:20,468 --> 00:45:22,220
When they finally went on the water,

992
00:45:22,303 --> 00:45:24,847
they needed local support boats and operators.

993
00:45:24,931 --> 00:45:29,018
I did my acting part and then I
was fortunate enough to be able

994
00:45:29,101 --> 00:45:30,603
to be part of the Marine department.

995
00:45:30,895 --> 00:45:33,022
And that’s where I really saw the bit of the

996
00:45:33,105 --> 00:45:35,274
behind-the-scenes of what went into the show.

997
00:45:35,483 --> 00:45:38,486
They started filming at the beginning of May and thought

998
00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:40,321
they were going to be gone by the 4th of July.

999
00:45:40,863 --> 00:45:44,283
And the schedule wasn’t really
holding that well just because

1000
00:45:44,367 --> 00:45:46,118
of what they were dealing with.

1001
00:45:46,202 --> 00:45:52,541
The month of August, 1974 is a death march on the water.

1002
00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,919
We were on the ocean for like four and a

1003
00:45:55,002 --> 00:45:58,130
half, five months and we all began going off the deep end,

1004
00:45:58,214 --> 00:45:59,799
literally.

1005
00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:01,259
It’s not the time it takes the take,

1006
00:46:01,342 --> 00:46:02,593
the take that takes the time.

1007
00:46:02,677 --> 00:46:05,513
It’s the time it takes between the takes that takes the time

1008
00:46:05,596 --> 00:46:06,973
it takes to take.

1009
00:46:07,056 --> 00:46:08,516
Anytime you’re dealing with water,

1010
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:10,351
it doesn’t get twice as hard.

1011
00:46:10,434 --> 00:46:12,895
It instantly gets five times as hard.

1012
00:46:12,979 --> 00:46:15,731
He always laughs whenever I do a water film.

1013
00:46:15,815 --> 00:46:17,733
He says, don’t you know how hard this stuff is?

1014
00:46:17,817 --> 00:46:19,735
I said yeah, I know.

1015
00:46:19,819 --> 00:46:22,154
There was nothing fun about making Jaws.

1016
00:46:22,321 --> 00:46:25,491
It was a very, very hard thing to go out on the real ocean,

1017
00:46:25,574 --> 00:46:29,078
be knocked around by the waves, by the currents.

1018
00:46:29,203 --> 00:46:30,329
One more time.

1019
00:46:30,413 --> 00:46:31,497
Shark comes up.

1020
00:46:31,664 --> 00:46:34,792
And then we have to re-anchor, reposition the camera boat,

1021
00:46:35,167 --> 00:46:38,337
suddenly the electrical barge with the generators running the

1022
00:46:38,421 --> 00:46:40,339
arcs is too far away.

1023
00:46:40,548 --> 00:46:42,842
And then on top of all that, 80% of the time the shark

1024
00:46:42,925 --> 00:46:44,302
didn’t work.

1025
00:46:44,969 --> 00:46:46,804
The first mistake with the shark was they built

1026
00:46:46,887 --> 00:46:48,222
it for freshwater.

1027
00:46:48,306 --> 00:46:50,308
- What’s the difference?
- Well, electrolysis.

1028
00:46:51,017 --> 00:46:53,436
They had built the shark in a hurry and then they realized

1029
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:55,688
that saltwater eats everything.

1030
00:46:56,022 --> 00:46:57,189
They tested the shark for the first time in

1031
00:46:57,273 --> 00:47:00,276
the water and we had at least 20 boats of tourists who had

1032
00:47:00,359 --> 00:47:02,361
gathered around an area to watch the shark work.

1033
00:47:02,695 --> 00:47:04,864
We had the shark on a huge 90-foot platform

1034
00:47:04,947 --> 00:47:06,324
30 feet underwater.

1035
00:47:06,407 --> 00:47:08,367
At the press of a hydraulic button and pulling a lever back,

1036
00:47:08,451 --> 00:47:11,370
supposedly, the shark comes shooting out of the

1037
00:47:11,454 --> 00:47:12,413
water head first.

1038
00:47:12,496 --> 00:47:13,789
And this is, actually happened.

1039
00:47:13,873 --> 00:47:16,000
The shark came up tail first.

1040
00:47:16,208 --> 00:47:18,002
It came up tail first and it was like,

1041
00:47:18,085 --> 00:47:20,713
it was like a 25-foot moon.

1042
00:47:22,298 --> 00:47:25,509
Some nights we’d go to the warehouse and you’d see

1043
00:47:25,593 --> 00:47:29,638
the sharks lined up there and they were always working on it.

1044
00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:34,560
And sometimes you’d get in the water and you’d see the

1045
00:47:34,643 --> 00:47:36,645
shark go ahh, womp.

1046
00:47:38,939 --> 00:47:41,901
You thought, oh, my God, are they going to finish this movie?

1047
00:47:42,985 --> 00:47:45,363
There were all these radio mics all over the island and

1048
00:47:45,446 --> 00:47:46,614
they were always saying...

1049
00:47:48,282 --> 00:47:49,325
the shark is not working.

1050
00:47:50,576 --> 00:47:51,911
the shark is not working.

1051
00:47:51,994 --> 00:47:53,204
And then one day, you heard this...

1052
00:47:54,413 --> 00:47:56,165
The shark is working. Repeat, the shark is working.

1053
00:47:57,166 --> 00:47:59,418
The boat is sinking. The boat is sinking.

1054
00:48:00,503 --> 00:48:01,962
And I was on that boat.

1055
00:48:03,172 --> 00:48:04,173
Time.

1056
00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:05,424
What happened was,

1057
00:48:05,508 --> 00:48:06,634
we were pulling one of the barrels away from the boat.

1058
00:48:06,717 --> 00:48:09,303
The problem was, the motorboat went so fast it pulled the

1059
00:48:09,387 --> 00:48:12,264
planking out from the hull of the Orca and of course the

1060
00:48:12,348 --> 00:48:15,351
water rushed in and the boat sank in about two minutes.

1061
00:48:15,768 --> 00:48:19,355
Get the actors off the boat. Get the actors off the boat.

1062
00:48:19,605 --> 00:48:21,357
John Carter who won an Academy Award for

1063
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,525
Best Sound for Jaws,

1064
00:48:22,608 --> 00:48:24,944
picked up the Nagra, he was on the boat,

1065
00:48:25,027 --> 00:48:26,028
and held it over his head, and said,

1066
00:48:26,112 --> 00:48:28,531
"*** the actors. Save the sound department!"

1067
00:48:30,074 --> 00:48:32,034
And I have this image to this day of John sinking,

1068
00:48:32,118 --> 00:48:34,537
holding the Nagra over his head and he came up months later

1069
00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:36,163
with an Academy Award in his hand instead.

1070
00:48:37,665 --> 00:48:41,127
These conditions have been so impossible that it’s really

1071
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:43,963
hurt our schedule and we’ve been here 105 shooting days.

1072
00:48:44,547 --> 00:48:47,716
And we were only scheduled for something like 65 or 70.

1073
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:48,926
What’s this done to the budget of the picture?

1074
00:48:49,009 --> 00:48:51,011
Oh, it’s kicked it up about a million

1075
00:48:51,095 --> 00:48:52,513
and a half dollars, unfortunately.

1076
00:48:52,972 --> 00:48:54,140
We’re not sailors.

1077
00:48:54,223 --> 00:48:58,394
We were filmmakers, and we were a film company and we were way

1078
00:48:58,477 --> 00:48:59,812
out of our element.

1079
00:49:00,604 --> 00:49:03,065
There were times making that movie where I thought Jaws

1080
00:49:03,149 --> 00:49:07,403
would probably be the last thing I ever made before people

1081
00:49:07,486 --> 00:49:08,988
would stop hiring me.

1082
00:49:10,489 --> 00:49:13,868
I mean, it was reported everywhere and when I did talk

1083
00:49:13,993 --> 00:49:15,202
to him once in a while,

1084
00:49:15,286 --> 00:49:17,329
I knew he was having a hard time.

1085
00:49:18,164 --> 00:49:19,999
You’re a story.

1086
00:49:20,207 --> 00:49:22,042
I mean, people in the entertainment industry are

1087
00:49:22,126 --> 00:49:26,964
talking about what a troubled production this is.

1088
00:49:27,214 --> 00:49:29,425
The director said he faced the
head of the studio and he said,

1089
00:49:29,508 --> 00:49:31,385
"I can’t do it in time."

1090
00:49:31,469 --> 00:49:34,013
About 60 days into the schedule and we were already like

1091
00:49:34,096 --> 00:49:37,099
20 days behind schedule, and somebody from Hollywood,

1092
00:49:37,183 --> 00:49:38,684
an actor came over to me and said,

1093
00:49:38,767 --> 00:49:40,978
everybody’s talking about you’re never going to get a job

1094
00:49:41,061 --> 00:49:44,190
after this movie because you were irresponsible with budget.

1095
00:49:44,523 --> 00:49:46,942
This actor was so sure I would never work again,

1096
00:49:47,026 --> 00:49:48,611
they didn’t care if they told me that.

1097
00:49:48,694 --> 00:49:50,654
It was a very mean thing, by the way, to do.

1098
00:49:51,697 --> 00:49:53,949
I totally forgot about it when I got back to shooting the

1099
00:49:54,033 --> 00:49:55,534
movie that next week.

1100
00:49:55,618 --> 00:49:57,286
But that was really demoralizing.

1101
00:49:57,369 --> 00:49:58,329
And halfway through Jaws,

1102
00:49:58,412 --> 00:50:01,290
I couldn’t guarantee control over anything.

1103
00:50:03,542 --> 00:50:05,711
There’s a very real point in the

1104
00:50:05,794 --> 00:50:07,463
production of this film

1105
00:50:07,546 --> 00:50:11,342
where conversations are being had about whether or not it’s

1106
00:50:11,425 --> 00:50:15,429
actually physically possible to make this film.

1107
00:50:16,347 --> 00:50:21,060
We were so far over budget, on shooting days and money.

1108
00:50:21,352 --> 00:50:24,313
There was a strong undercurrent that the studio

1109
00:50:24,396 --> 00:50:25,648
would close us down.

1110
00:50:25,731 --> 00:50:26,565
They say enough.

1111
00:50:26,649 --> 00:50:28,734
I never once felt like I wanted to quit.

1112
00:50:28,817 --> 00:50:31,278
I was terrified I was going to be fired.

1113
00:50:31,862 --> 00:50:34,156
At one point, Sid Sheinberg who ran the studio,

1114
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:37,785
flew to Martha’s Vineyard just to assess the damage.

1115
00:50:38,494 --> 00:50:40,579
And he was staying at the Kelley House,

1116
00:50:40,829 --> 00:50:42,498
a hotel there in Edgartown.

1117
00:50:42,581 --> 00:50:45,000
And he just pulled me behind the house.

1118
00:50:45,084 --> 00:50:48,170
We sat on the steps, these gray
steps together and we sat on

1119
00:50:48,254 --> 00:50:49,380
the same step.

1120
00:50:49,463 --> 00:50:52,550
And he said I’m not sure this is possible,

1121
00:50:52,633 --> 00:50:54,093
finishing the film this way.

1122
00:50:54,176 --> 00:50:55,469
What do you think we should do?

1123
00:50:55,553 --> 00:50:56,303
And I just said no,

1124
00:50:56,387 --> 00:50:57,638
I want to go, I want to finish it.

1125
00:50:57,721 --> 00:50:59,181
I can finish this movie.

1126
00:50:59,265 --> 00:51:00,683
When you’re by yourself at night,

1127
00:51:00,766 --> 00:51:03,018
it weighs more heavily than during the working day when

1128
00:51:03,102 --> 00:51:05,729
your mind is on getting good film.

1129
00:51:06,021 --> 00:51:08,357
Scorsese used to come over to the set

1130
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:09,525
from New York.

1131
00:51:09,608 --> 00:51:11,110
He’d fly down to Martha’s Vineyard and he would

1132
00:51:11,193 --> 00:51:13,195
just sit there feeling sorry for me.

1133
00:51:13,279 --> 00:51:14,780
And we would, we would commiserate.

1134
00:51:14,947 --> 00:51:16,574
I notice you bite your fingernails a lot.

1135
00:51:16,657 --> 00:51:18,742
Is that why because you’re juggling all the cash or?

1136
00:51:18,826 --> 00:51:20,744
No, because I don’t smoke, I don’t drink.

1137
00:51:20,828 --> 00:51:23,330
I asked Steven, what did you do to unwind on

1138
00:51:23,414 --> 00:51:25,833
those days where if the shark wasn’t breaking,

1139
00:51:25,916 --> 00:51:29,253
your spirit was breaking, like what did you do to relax

1140
00:51:29,336 --> 00:51:30,170
and blow off steam?

1141
00:51:30,254 --> 00:51:32,506
And he said I used to go to the arcade.

1142
00:51:34,425 --> 00:51:35,843
And I talked to my mom a lot.

1143
00:51:35,926 --> 00:51:37,636
I mean, I was talking to my mom kind of like

1144
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:40,973
'Mommy, this is really impossible. Help.'

1145
00:51:42,558 --> 00:51:45,769
It’s really hard to read how slow

1146
00:51:45,853 --> 00:51:48,314
things were going.

1147
00:51:48,814 --> 00:51:52,860
But also, fascinating to see how he’s recalibrating,

1148
00:51:52,943 --> 00:51:58,657
rebuilding it, re-shooting, coming up with ideas on set to

1149
00:51:58,907 --> 00:52:04,163
keep bringing the movie to life as he saw it.

1150
00:52:06,665 --> 00:52:08,876
Slow ahead. I can go slow ahead.

1151
00:52:09,168 --> 00:52:10,878
Come on down and chum some of this...

1152
00:52:13,547 --> 00:52:15,466
When the shark comes out and Brody backs

1153
00:52:15,549 --> 00:52:17,509
into the cabin, I say, Roy, when you back in,

1154
00:52:17,593 --> 00:52:20,512
don’t even look at him, just keep looking at where

1155
00:52:20,596 --> 00:52:22,181
the shark breached.

1156
00:52:22,389 --> 00:52:25,184
Just back into the cabin and just say you’re going to

1157
00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:26,393
need a bigger boat.

1158
00:52:26,477 --> 00:52:28,187
You’re going to need a bigger boat.

1159
00:52:28,604 --> 00:52:31,398
Chief Brody was like my first onscreen crush

1160
00:52:31,482 --> 00:52:34,276
with that tan and it’s actually the expression on his face

1161
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,278
where he’s chumming and then he comes up and

1162
00:52:36,362 --> 00:52:38,697
his head comes into frame, woo, like that.

1163
00:52:38,947 --> 00:52:41,325
And the cigarette’s like wet, you know.

1164
00:52:41,533 --> 00:52:43,369
I will never forget that shot.

1165
00:52:43,535 --> 00:52:45,663
I was like, oh, God, he’s like my dream guy.

1166
00:52:45,746 --> 00:52:47,414
You’re going to need a bigger boat.

1167
00:52:49,583 --> 00:52:52,002
You’re going to need a bigger boat is a flag

1168
00:52:52,336 --> 00:52:54,755
that you can fly after you leave that movie.

1169
00:52:55,714 --> 00:52:57,216
I think it’s impossible

1170
00:52:57,299 --> 00:52:59,259
to write a timeless line,

1171
00:52:59,468 --> 00:53:00,552
you know what I mean.

1172
00:53:00,636 --> 00:53:01,929
I don’t think you’re sitting there going oh, that,

1173
00:53:02,012 --> 00:53:02,888
what I just wrote,

1174
00:53:02,971 --> 00:53:04,473
that’s going to be timeless, you know.

1175
00:53:04,556 --> 00:53:05,808
Because it’s all the context.

1176
00:53:05,891 --> 00:53:07,393
Where is the audience in the film?

1177
00:53:07,476 --> 00:53:08,602
How tense are they?

1178
00:53:08,686 --> 00:53:10,771
And what kind of release will it trigger?

1179
00:53:10,854 --> 00:53:12,648
Even a line that’s not that funny.

1180
00:53:12,731 --> 00:53:13,941
When Arnold said.

1181
00:53:14,024 --> 00:53:15,401
I’ll be back.

1182
00:53:15,943 --> 00:53:17,319
You know, I didn’t think that was going to

1183
00:53:17,403 --> 00:53:18,362
be any big deal.

1184
00:53:18,445 --> 00:53:21,573
But the value of it is the audience is already in

1185
00:53:21,657 --> 00:53:24,910
on the joke by that point so they read into it.

1186
00:53:25,411 --> 00:53:27,246
Put your gloves on both of you.

1187
00:53:27,371 --> 00:53:30,207
Where the Hooper and Brody and Quint characters

1188
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:31,792
came together and had to deal with

1189
00:53:31,875 --> 00:53:33,335
each other’s backgrounds,

1190
00:53:33,419 --> 00:53:34,795
it involved a lot of improvisation.

1191
00:53:34,878 --> 00:53:36,714
Hey, Quint, let it go.

1192
00:53:36,797 --> 00:53:39,341
Hey, Hooper, maybe you’re a big yahoo in the lab

1193
00:53:39,425 --> 00:53:40,926
but out here, you’re just a super cog.

1194
00:53:41,009 --> 00:53:42,970
If you don’t want to backstroke home you get down here.

1195
00:53:43,095 --> 00:53:44,555
And we had tape recorders running.

1196
00:53:44,638 --> 00:53:46,223
And then taking that improvisation and finding a

1197
00:53:46,306 --> 00:53:47,516
good line from Dreyfuss here and a

1198
00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:50,269
good line from Robert Shaw here, writing it down,

1199
00:53:50,728 --> 00:53:52,604
actually became the day’s work for the next day.

1200
00:53:52,688 --> 00:53:55,566
Hey chief, let’s drop another chum marker.

1201
00:53:56,608 --> 00:53:58,402
And a lot of the movie was done that way.

1202
00:53:58,485 --> 00:54:00,904
The whole scene between Dreyfuss and Shaw is sort of

1203
00:54:00,988 --> 00:54:04,658
challenging each other where Quint drinks an entire can of

1204
00:54:04,742 --> 00:54:07,619
beer and he crushes the can.

1205
00:54:07,703 --> 00:54:10,706
And Dreyfuss has a little Dixie Styrofoam cup of coffee and he

1206
00:54:10,789 --> 00:54:12,499
crushes the Styrofoam.

1207
00:54:14,334 --> 00:54:15,502
That was made up on the day,

1208
00:54:15,586 --> 00:54:18,464
but we kept throwing ideas into the pot.

1209
00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:19,965
Well, you know, we go out there.

1210
00:54:20,048 --> 00:54:22,468
There’s just the three of us, Scheider, Dreyfuss, me,

1211
00:54:22,551 --> 00:54:23,427
and the shark.

1212
00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:25,929
I think I know every detail of those two men’s lives.

1213
00:54:26,013 --> 00:54:29,308
And it has been to some extent very boring.

1214
00:54:29,683 --> 00:54:32,519
They were three very different men at three very

1215
00:54:32,603 --> 00:54:34,438
different stages of their careers.

1216
00:54:35,105 --> 00:54:39,485
But I think part of the chemistry is that there was

1217
00:54:39,568 --> 00:54:42,780
a bit of themselves that bled into those roles.

1218
00:54:43,363 --> 00:54:45,115
You got city hands, Mr. Hooper.

1219
00:54:45,407 --> 00:54:46,700
You’ve been counting money all your life.

1220
00:54:46,783 --> 00:54:48,452
All right, all right, hey, I don’t need this.

1221
00:54:48,535 --> 00:54:50,787
I don’t need this working-class hero crap.

1222
00:54:50,871 --> 00:54:54,583
We were very competitive and the desire for all three to

1223
00:54:54,666 --> 00:54:59,588
excel pushed most of the scenes right to their limits.

1224
00:55:00,172 --> 00:55:03,842
And I think it was a challenge every day out to do as good or

1225
00:55:03,926 --> 00:55:05,886
better as the other guy.

1226
00:55:06,178 --> 00:55:09,348
It also is exactly what’s happening in the story.

1227
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,600
And that of course, helps the film.

1228
00:55:11,808 --> 00:55:14,686
What do you got here, a portable char or a monkey cage?

1229
00:55:15,062 --> 00:55:16,939
Anti-shark cage.

1230
00:55:17,189 --> 00:55:21,068
Robert’s offscreen skirmishes with Richard helped

1231
00:55:21,151 --> 00:55:23,529
the chemistry of the piece.

1232
00:55:23,612 --> 00:55:24,821
We all have different methods.

1233
00:55:24,905 --> 00:55:27,699
I do tend to drink when totally bored.

1234
00:55:28,116 --> 00:55:30,994
Roy does exercises and sunbathes.

1235
00:55:31,245 --> 00:55:32,120
Scheider does that.

1236
00:55:32,204 --> 00:55:34,748
And Dreyfuss talks. Dreyfuss just talks.

1237
00:55:35,207 --> 00:55:36,375
The character,

1238
00:55:36,458 --> 00:55:39,628
as explained to me before we began shooting, interested me.

1239
00:55:40,546 --> 00:55:43,048
And after you started shooting, what happened?

1240
00:55:45,717 --> 00:55:47,094
I have made a mistake.

1241
00:55:47,511 --> 00:55:49,555
There was a lot of Richard challenging

1242
00:55:49,638 --> 00:55:51,640
Robert and Robert challenging Richard.

1243
00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:53,392
Stop playing with yourself, Hooper.

1244
00:55:53,475 --> 00:55:54,643
They were kind of sparring partners.

1245
00:55:54,726 --> 00:55:56,478
Hooper. Full throttle.

1246
00:55:56,812 --> 00:55:59,106
I won’t have to take this abuse much longer.

1247
00:55:59,231 --> 00:56:00,399
But it really turned out,

1248
00:56:00,482 --> 00:56:04,486
in hindsight, to be a kind of playful banter that was unique

1249
00:56:04,570 --> 00:56:06,530
to their personal relationships.

1250
00:56:07,197 --> 00:56:09,616
Robert was one of the most powerful people

1251
00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:10,701
I’ve ever met.

1252
00:56:10,784 --> 00:56:12,411
Incredibly intense.

1253
00:56:12,744 --> 00:56:15,539
I mean, it was something that radiated out of him.

1254
00:56:15,789 --> 00:56:18,834
He was a remarkably gifted actor and writer.

1255
00:56:19,084 --> 00:56:22,045
He was also, unfortunately, the most extraordinarily

1256
00:56:22,129 --> 00:56:26,049
competitive person, unnecessarily competitive.

1257
00:56:26,758 --> 00:56:28,343
It was a love-hate relationship

1258
00:56:28,427 --> 00:56:29,511
between the two of them.

1259
00:56:29,595 --> 00:56:33,223
Robert was very frustrated with Richard’s attitude.

1260
00:56:33,765 --> 00:56:37,394
As an actor, it’s been an exercise in futility.

1261
00:56:37,477 --> 00:56:40,022
And Robert gave him a really hard time,

1262
00:56:40,105 --> 00:56:41,648
at least publicly.

1263
00:56:42,149 --> 00:56:44,693
But also, Robert could see the talent that was there and

1264
00:56:44,776 --> 00:56:46,612
wanted him to succeed.

1265
00:56:47,195 --> 00:56:48,947
You want a drink? Drink to your leg.

1266
00:56:49,156 --> 00:56:51,783
- I’ll drink to your leg.
- Okay, so we drink to our legs.

1267
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:55,329
The scene that I’m proudest of in Jaws

1268
00:56:55,412 --> 00:56:57,956
was everything that takes place
in that one night in that cabin

1269
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,753
from the scar comparing, right
through the Indianapolis beach

1270
00:57:02,836 --> 00:57:05,964
is something that I actually
and objectively can watch over

1271
00:57:06,048 --> 00:57:07,132
and over again.

1272
00:57:10,594 --> 00:57:13,722
So, Hooper, that’s the USS Indianapolis.

1273
00:57:14,264 --> 00:57:17,976
Not only is it the 50th anniversary of Jaws,

1274
00:57:18,393 --> 00:57:21,021
but it’s also the 80th anniversary of the sinking of

1275
00:57:21,104 --> 00:57:22,606
the USS Indianapolis.

1276
00:57:22,981 --> 00:57:24,149
You were on the Indianapolis?

1277
00:57:24,232 --> 00:57:26,151
One of the greatest things Howard Sackler

1278
00:57:26,234 --> 00:57:29,696
left me with was he said, I’d like to give Quint a motivation

1279
00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:32,032
for his hatred of sharks.

1280
00:57:33,241 --> 00:57:35,827
Have you ever heard of the USS Indianapolis?

1281
00:57:35,952 --> 00:57:37,746
And I got to tell you, I hadn’t.

1282
00:57:37,996 --> 00:57:41,750
He told me the story of the Indianapolis and its duty in

1283
00:57:41,833 --> 00:57:43,168
World War II,

1284
00:57:43,335 --> 00:57:46,004
bringing bomb parts for the atomic bomb.

1285
00:57:46,463 --> 00:57:47,839
What happened?

1286
00:57:48,757 --> 00:57:51,510
Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes

1287
00:57:51,593 --> 00:57:53,136
into our side, chief.

1288
00:57:54,096 --> 00:57:56,765
1100 men went into the water.

1289
00:57:56,932 --> 00:57:59,601
The vessel went down in 12 minutes.

1290
00:57:59,893 --> 00:58:03,188
And all hands in the water, ravaged by sharks.

1291
00:58:04,147 --> 00:58:06,983
Didn’t see the first shark for about a half an hour.

1292
00:58:07,234 --> 00:58:09,236
Sackler knew about the Indianapolis.

1293
00:58:09,361 --> 00:58:12,781
He was in the Navy and he brought that incident

1294
00:58:12,864 --> 00:58:14,116
into the screenplay.

1295
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:16,576
He said, this is the motivation we need.

1296
00:58:16,743 --> 00:58:19,996
Very first light, chief, sharks come cruising.

1297
00:58:21,206 --> 00:58:22,958
And down the road a bit I went to my friend,

1298
00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:25,627
John Milius, he wrote Apocalypse Now and was a

1299
00:58:25,711 --> 00:58:27,796
wonderful director and I said John,

1300
00:58:27,879 --> 00:58:29,756
read this script and focus on this speech.

1301
00:58:30,465 --> 00:58:32,467
So, John went away and he came back and he sent

1302
00:58:32,551 --> 00:58:34,928
me a seven-and-a-half, eight-page monologue.

1303
00:58:36,179 --> 00:58:38,473
Shaw said this is going to bore the audience.

1304
00:58:38,557 --> 00:58:40,976
I can’t sit there and talk for eight minutes.

1305
00:58:41,643 --> 00:58:44,771
Will you let me tonight go home and do a little rewrite

1306
00:58:44,855 --> 00:58:45,772
of the speech.

1307
00:58:45,856 --> 00:58:47,816
I said, please. Have at it.

1308
00:58:49,192 --> 00:58:50,986
And Robert Shaw was a wonderful writer.

1309
00:58:51,069 --> 00:58:52,529
He had written The Man in the Glass Booth,

1310
00:58:52,612 --> 00:58:53,989
the play.

1311
00:58:54,072 --> 00:58:55,949
And that’s what is in the movie.

1312
00:58:56,575 --> 00:58:58,827
A shark comes to the nearest man there and he starts

1313
00:58:58,910 --> 00:59:00,912
pounding and hollering and screaming.

1314
00:59:01,163 --> 00:59:02,998
Sometimes the shark go away.

1315
00:59:04,833 --> 00:59:06,918
Sometimes he wouldn’t go away.

1316
00:59:07,085 --> 00:59:09,004
It’s a fascinating thing to watch

1317
00:59:09,087 --> 00:59:13,008
Robert Shaw make the choice to play it with a smile,

1318
00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:14,760
with relish.

1319
00:59:14,843 --> 00:59:18,013
And for you to then understand his obsession,

1320
00:59:18,096 --> 00:59:20,098
like he’s haunted by the screams of those men who

1321
00:59:20,182 --> 00:59:21,683
all died around him.

1322
00:59:21,767 --> 00:59:22,559
And you feel it.

1323
00:59:22,642 --> 00:59:25,187
The whole scene pulses with trauma.

1324
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:29,024
Ah, and then you hear that terrible high-pitched screaming.

1325
00:59:29,399 --> 00:59:33,195
The ocean turns red in spite of all the pounding and the

1326
00:59:33,278 --> 00:59:38,950
hollering, they all come in and they rip you to pieces.

1327
00:59:39,242 --> 00:59:40,702
How do you psych yourself up for this

1328
00:59:40,786 --> 00:59:42,037
kind of regiment every day?

1329
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,956
Well, Scotch, vodka, gin, whatever.

1330
00:59:45,457 --> 00:59:46,750
With every week we were shooting,

1331
00:59:46,833 --> 00:59:48,502
he was becoming more and more like Quint.

1332
00:59:48,627 --> 00:59:51,546
He said to me, I just want to have a little buzz when I’m

1333
00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:53,715
doing the speech because I don’t want to play drunk

1334
00:59:53,799 --> 00:59:55,675
or act inebriated.

1335
00:59:55,759 --> 00:59:58,261
Just one small drink and that’s all I’m going to need.

1336
00:59:58,553 --> 00:59:59,930
Have you pulled any benders,

1337
01:00:00,013 --> 01:00:01,181
you yourself while you’re here?

1338
01:00:01,264 --> 01:00:03,558
No, the only time I’m ever drunk is ever,

1339
01:00:03,642 --> 01:00:04,810
is on television.

1340
01:00:04,893 --> 01:00:08,730
I’m never drunk in private life or work or we all know that.

1341
01:00:08,814 --> 01:00:11,316
Stupidly, I said, "Sure. Go ahead."

1342
01:00:11,983 --> 01:00:13,318
I would never do that today.

1343
01:00:14,569 --> 01:00:17,030
The next day, two crew members had to help Robert

1344
01:00:17,113 --> 01:00:19,115
onto the Orca.

1345
01:00:20,158 --> 01:00:23,620
And he wasn’t able to really get through the speech.

1346
01:00:25,121 --> 01:00:26,081
That night I’m sleeping,

1347
01:00:26,164 --> 01:00:27,916
sound asleep and my phone rings,

1348
01:00:27,999 --> 01:00:29,835
and it’s Robert on the phone.

1349
01:00:30,168 --> 01:00:33,129
He says, what happened, did I embarrass you?

1350
01:00:33,213 --> 01:00:34,756
I am so sorry if I did.

1351
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:35,674
I won’t have a drink.

1352
01:00:35,757 --> 01:00:37,884
Please give me a chance to do this tomorrow.

1353
01:00:37,968 --> 01:00:39,886
And he knocked it out of the ballpark, the next day.

1354
01:00:40,053 --> 01:00:41,054
That was it.

1355
01:00:41,137 --> 01:00:44,391
Anyway, we delivered the bomb.

1356
01:00:46,101 --> 01:00:48,687
Quint chose to be a shark hunter and he’s put himself in

1357
01:00:48,770 --> 01:00:51,273
direct line with the thing that’s caused all this trauma

1358
01:00:51,356 --> 01:00:52,732
from the past.

1359
01:00:52,899 --> 01:00:54,776
Part of him is thinking, if I can overcome this,

1360
01:00:54,860 --> 01:00:56,695
I can let go of the past, finally.

1361
01:00:56,945 --> 01:00:58,613
You see fear in his eyes.

1362
01:00:58,780 --> 01:01:01,408
And he thinks this is the shark that’s coming to get me.

1363
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,786
There’s something really powerful about that kind of

1364
01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:06,538
inevitable tragic end.

1365
01:01:07,747 --> 01:01:09,666
This was always this character’s fate.

1366
01:01:13,378 --> 01:01:16,047
Great whites have one of the most impressive hunting

1367
01:01:16,131 --> 01:01:17,340
behaviors called a breach.

1368
01:01:19,509 --> 01:01:20,927
Oh, my God!

1369
01:01:21,344 --> 01:01:23,054
And you see this in the movie, Jaws,

1370
01:01:23,138 --> 01:01:24,723
when it breaches onto the Orca.

1371
01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:29,185
I have never seen a great white do this on a boat.

1372
01:01:30,020 --> 01:01:32,314
Most of the time you see great whites breaching,

1373
01:01:32,397 --> 01:01:35,108
it is a surefire kill on a seal.

1374
01:01:35,275 --> 01:01:39,487
But the suspense, as a piece of cinema, it was great.

1375
01:01:40,947 --> 01:01:44,200
Horror is about things that shouldn't be but are.

1376
01:01:44,868 --> 01:01:47,871
If the shark is on the boat the laws of physics

1377
01:01:47,954 --> 01:01:49,915
in the universe are upside down.

1378
01:01:51,541 --> 01:01:52,626
My death, you know,

1379
01:01:52,709 --> 01:01:55,295
going into the shark's jaws, quite an unpleasant thing.

1380
01:01:55,378 --> 01:01:58,298
It weighs about several tons and the jaws absolutely come

1381
01:01:58,381 --> 01:02:00,675
down on me with the hydraulic pressure, you know.

1382
01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:06,139
And you do it 14 or 15 times in this kind of

1383
01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:08,016
weather in the cold,

1384
01:02:08,099 --> 01:02:11,770
slide right into it and then the teeth come and bite you.

1385
01:02:11,978 --> 01:02:13,355
It’s not very nice.

1386
01:02:13,605 --> 01:02:16,733
Now, my character’s left aboard the boat and he’s trapped

1387
01:02:16,816 --> 01:02:19,194
inside the cabin and the boat is sinking.

1388
01:02:19,277 --> 01:02:20,987
Is this your big scene?

1389
01:02:21,071 --> 01:02:21,905
This is the big scene.

1390
01:02:21,988 --> 01:02:23,949
And I’m not going to tell you anymore.

1391
01:02:24,032 --> 01:02:25,992
One of the things that for me as a kid

1392
01:02:26,076 --> 01:02:27,118
made me say it’s real,

1393
01:02:27,202 --> 01:02:31,206
is the piece of meat when the shark is thrashing and

1394
01:02:31,289 --> 01:02:36,252
you see this piece of meat stuck between the teeth, dangling.

1395
01:02:36,419 --> 01:02:38,004
That is the genius.

1396
01:02:38,171 --> 01:02:39,339
Okay, start it.

1397
01:02:39,714 --> 01:02:41,508
Okay, Roy. Action.

1398
01:02:41,716 --> 01:02:43,301
Blowing up the shark was not my idea.

1399
01:02:43,635 --> 01:02:45,220
Some of my earliest collaborators,

1400
01:02:45,303 --> 01:02:47,889
Hal Barwood and Matthew Robbins, they wrote

1401
01:02:47,973 --> 01:02:49,349
The Sugarland Express.

1402
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:51,267
I gave them Jaws to read,

1403
01:02:51,351 --> 01:02:52,894
and they gave me a lot of notes.

1404
01:02:52,978 --> 01:02:54,062
And one of the notes was,

1405
01:02:54,145 --> 01:02:55,772
the shark's got to blow up at the end.

1406
01:02:55,981 --> 01:02:56,898
What do you mean blow-up at the end?

1407
01:02:56,982 --> 01:02:58,066
It's got to blow up at the end.

1408
01:02:58,149 --> 01:03:01,444
And you know how you do it, you throw into his mouth,

1409
01:03:01,528 --> 01:03:04,239
into his jaws, a scuba tank.

1410
01:03:04,447 --> 01:03:07,951
And then he chomps down on the scuba tank and the

1411
01:03:08,034 --> 01:03:11,121
pressure from the bite force blows it up.

1412
01:03:12,414 --> 01:03:13,748
I said that's not credible.

1413
01:03:13,832 --> 01:03:16,042
A shark cannot bite through a scuba tank.

1414
01:03:17,419 --> 01:03:19,129
And then either Hal or Matt said, okay,

1415
01:03:19,212 --> 01:03:22,090
well how about one of the characters takes a rifle and he

1416
01:03:22,215 --> 01:03:27,345
shoots a bullet into the tank while the shark is approaching

1417
01:03:27,429 --> 01:03:28,972
and blows it up that way.

1418
01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:32,225
Show me the tank. Show me the tank.

1419
01:03:32,392 --> 01:03:33,351
Blow up.

1420
01:03:33,435 --> 01:03:35,186
I think it’s been debunked that

1421
01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:37,230
you can actually blow up a charged scuba cylinder

1422
01:03:37,313 --> 01:03:38,565
with a high-powered rifle.

1423
01:03:38,648 --> 01:03:41,359
But I was a diver and I understood the power

1424
01:03:41,443 --> 01:03:42,819
of compressed air.

1425
01:03:42,902 --> 01:03:43,987
So, I bought it.

1426
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:45,822
You screw around with these tanks and they’re going

1427
01:03:45,905 --> 01:03:47,073
to blow up.

1428
01:03:47,157 --> 01:03:48,324
And it was just a perfect moment of character,

1429
01:03:48,408 --> 01:03:51,161
the fact that he hates water, the boat’s sinking out from

1430
01:03:51,244 --> 01:03:53,788
underneath him, the shark’s going back for him.

1431
01:03:53,872 --> 01:03:56,541
All the pieces fell into place instantly in the moment.

1432
01:03:58,043 --> 01:04:01,129
And you just wind the tension tighter and tighter and tighter.

1433
01:04:01,212 --> 01:04:03,089
And man, I’ll tell you, that is an art form.

1434
01:04:03,173 --> 01:04:04,424
Blow up!

1435
01:04:04,507 --> 01:04:06,342
When you think about it, it is a bit like the

1436
01:04:06,426 --> 01:04:07,469
Death Star moment.

1437
01:04:07,552 --> 01:04:09,012
Smile you son of a...

1438
01:04:12,474 --> 01:04:14,476
There is an undeniable satisfaction in

1439
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:16,478
finally destroying this thing that you’ve seen

1440
01:04:16,561 --> 01:04:18,021
cause such carnage.

1441
01:04:22,233 --> 01:04:26,029
For a movie in which you've invested two hours,

1442
01:04:26,404 --> 01:04:29,157
you need that kind of release.

1443
01:04:31,367 --> 01:04:34,537
I think the reason it works is that they really, they earn it.

1444
01:04:37,999 --> 01:04:40,001
And when the film wrapped Martha's Vineyard,

1445
01:04:40,085 --> 01:04:43,379
I had a full-blown panic attack.

1446
01:04:45,924 --> 01:04:49,844
I was in it, shall I say, over my head for about seven or

1447
01:04:49,928 --> 01:04:51,304
eight months on Martha's Vineyard.

1448
01:04:51,387 --> 01:04:54,015
It was logistically the most difficult movie I think

1449
01:04:54,099 --> 01:04:55,475
I'll ever make.

1450
01:04:55,558 --> 01:04:56,351
I couldn't breathe.

1451
01:04:56,434 --> 01:04:58,353
I thought I was having a heart attack.

1452
01:04:58,436 --> 01:05:00,313
I couldn't get a full breath of air.

1453
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,024
I kept going to the bathroom and splashing water on my face.

1454
01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:05,360
I was shaking.

1455
01:05:05,443 --> 01:05:07,403
And I was, I was out of it.

1456
01:05:07,737 --> 01:05:09,447
I was completely out of it.

1457
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,575
And I think it was everything that I had experienced on the

1458
01:05:12,659 --> 01:05:15,370
island at least trying to not only hold myself together

1459
01:05:15,453 --> 01:05:17,080
but hold the crew together.

1460
01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:20,125
And I had great people helping me hold the crew together.

1461
01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:21,960
I had Tom Joyner the AD.

1462
01:05:22,043 --> 01:05:24,254
I had Phil Butler, the DP.

1463
01:05:24,337 --> 01:05:26,339
Mike Chapman the camera operator.

1464
01:05:27,090 --> 01:05:30,135
I had just a great crew, and yet I felt responsible

1465
01:05:30,218 --> 01:05:31,386
for everybody there.

1466
01:05:31,469 --> 01:05:33,429
And I felt really responsible for keeping them there for as

1467
01:05:33,513 --> 01:05:35,515
long as we had to stay.

1468
01:05:35,598 --> 01:05:37,392
And I think I just lost it.

1469
01:05:42,772 --> 01:05:44,232
What we’re looking for a nice place

1470
01:05:44,315 --> 01:05:46,651
to show that Quint refuses to slow down the boat.

1471
01:05:53,408 --> 01:05:55,160
Now the splicer.

1472
01:05:56,619 --> 01:05:58,913
Verna Field, she was a force of,

1473
01:05:58,997 --> 01:06:00,456
of stability for me.

1474
01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:04,127
Am I in trouble? Jaws. Am I in Jaws trouble?

1475
01:06:04,335 --> 01:06:06,588
Verna was working on Martha’s Vineyard.

1476
01:06:07,422 --> 01:06:09,424
I mean, I’m looking for our mark as a place.

1477
01:06:10,175 --> 01:06:11,384
That’s the spot, Steve.

1478
01:06:11,467 --> 01:06:13,970
But once they wrapped in Martha’s Vineyard,

1479
01:06:14,095 --> 01:06:17,974
they came back to LA and they shot in the MGM tank.

1480
01:06:19,475 --> 01:06:21,561
Want to walk the plank here Steven with the rest

1481
01:06:21,644 --> 01:06:22,604
of the guys?

1482
01:06:25,815 --> 01:06:27,275
We are ready.

1483
01:06:27,442 --> 01:06:29,194
Roll B camera, please.

1484
01:06:30,153 --> 01:06:31,988
The whole attack in the cage,

1485
01:06:32,071 --> 01:06:34,824
of the mechanical shark attacking Richard Dreyfuss was

1486
01:06:34,908 --> 01:06:36,451
done in the tank at MGM.

1487
01:06:36,868 --> 01:06:38,369
Okay, attack.

1488
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:45,668
And also, the close-ups of the shark

1489
01:06:45,752 --> 01:06:48,504
on the surface with the tank in its mouth.

1490
01:06:49,214 --> 01:06:51,299
And even the shots of like the marbles that they were

1491
01:06:51,382 --> 01:06:54,594
slingshotting through the water to resemble the bullets.

1492
01:06:55,011 --> 01:06:56,221
Even though we wrapped

1493
01:06:56,304 --> 01:06:57,180
in Martha’s Vineyard,

1494
01:06:57,263 --> 01:06:59,307
the film kept shooting for another two months.

1495
01:06:59,807 --> 01:07:01,559
Okay, cut, cut. Cut, cut, cut.

1496
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,062
Once again, right away.

1497
01:07:04,270 --> 01:07:05,688
In a couple of cases,

1498
01:07:05,772 --> 01:07:10,109
he had to go rogue and pick up some of these inserts

1499
01:07:10,193 --> 01:07:13,363
on his own without really letting anybody know

1500
01:07:13,446 --> 01:07:17,325
because they told him like the spigot is off.

1501
01:07:18,534 --> 01:07:20,370
I actually went into my editor

1502
01:07:20,453 --> 01:07:22,330
Verna Fields’ swimming pool in the Valley,

1503
01:07:22,413 --> 01:07:24,332
I think Sherman Oaks,

1504
01:07:24,415 --> 01:07:26,251
when Hooper goes underwater and finds

1505
01:07:26,334 --> 01:07:27,710
Ben Gardner’s head,

1506
01:07:27,794 --> 01:07:29,587
we went into the pool and we shot it.

1507
01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:32,590
He keeps going back and making changes and

1508
01:07:32,674 --> 01:07:35,260
redoing things and making them better.

1509
01:07:35,843 --> 01:07:37,637
Hey, I got it!

1510
01:07:39,639 --> 01:07:40,723
What?

1511
01:07:40,807 --> 01:07:42,267
Get behind me.

1512
01:07:42,350 --> 01:07:43,726
Watching Jaws for the first time it was

1513
01:07:43,810 --> 01:07:45,228
a wonderful experience.

1514
01:07:45,311 --> 01:07:48,022
I would say also very typical of Steven Spielberg and

1515
01:07:48,106 --> 01:07:51,901
his filmmaking technique and the fun that he has making films.

1516
01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:54,362
And I remember thinking and telling him it was a

1517
01:07:54,445 --> 01:07:56,447
great opportunity for me to create music

1518
01:07:56,531 --> 01:07:59,701
with a very young man that I worked with once,

1519
01:07:59,784 --> 01:08:02,203
Sugarland Express, who I liked enormously.

1520
01:08:02,287 --> 01:08:04,205
It’s only the bass that should be big on the A-D.

1521
01:08:04,289 --> 01:08:05,248
Yeah.

1522
01:08:05,331 --> 01:08:06,624
You have two ominous notes there.

1523
01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:10,837
I don’t know that you can talk about Jaws without

1524
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,424
talking about those two iconic notes that

1525
01:08:14,507 --> 01:08:16,134
John Williams created.

1526
01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:19,304
All human beings come equipped...

1527
01:08:19,595 --> 01:08:20,763
Okay, take, please.

1528
01:08:20,847 --> 01:08:23,683
...to be able to suspend our disbelief,

1529
01:08:23,975 --> 01:08:28,146
to be transported more by music than any other

1530
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:30,148
single art stimulus.

1531
01:08:31,774 --> 01:08:35,361
Music with our eyes closed will take us places

1532
01:08:35,445 --> 01:08:38,197
that no other medium or art form can take us.

1533
01:08:39,032 --> 01:08:42,368
John Williams told us when to react and when to

1534
01:08:42,452 --> 01:08:44,662
start getting ready for an attack.

1535
01:08:45,580 --> 01:08:47,582
One, two, three, four.

1536
01:08:47,665 --> 01:08:49,500
John Williams showed you the power of

1537
01:08:49,584 --> 01:08:52,253
just music and image and you see the victim from

1538
01:08:52,337 --> 01:08:54,672
the predator’s point of view.

1539
01:08:54,922 --> 01:08:57,675
That relentless score with the low cellos,

1540
01:08:57,759 --> 01:08:59,135
you become that shark.

1541
01:09:00,636 --> 01:09:03,348
This idea of characterizing the shark musically.

1542
01:09:03,514 --> 01:09:05,350
He’s taking it. He’s taking it..

1543
01:09:05,433 --> 01:09:06,809
Was the result of a very simple idea

1544
01:09:06,893 --> 01:09:07,935
that I had.

1545
01:09:08,019 --> 01:09:09,896
I thought maybe some kind of bum, bum.

1546
01:09:09,979 --> 01:09:13,858
might indicate this mindless attack of the shark with this

1547
01:09:13,941 --> 01:09:15,526
relentless drive that it has.

1548
01:09:16,944 --> 01:09:18,780
And you don’t know if it will work on an audience

1549
01:09:18,863 --> 01:09:20,365
until you try it.

1550
01:09:27,705 --> 01:09:29,457
Next door is the Island Theater.

1551
01:09:29,540 --> 01:09:31,292
It’s closed down at the moment.

1552
01:09:31,376 --> 01:09:34,587
But back in 1975, when the movie came out,

1553
01:09:34,796 --> 01:09:36,381
they had the premier there.

1554
01:09:37,048 --> 01:09:39,217
It was the biggest thing to really hit the island

1555
01:09:39,384 --> 01:09:41,219
in my lifetime at that point.

1556
01:09:44,931 --> 01:09:46,516
When they had the debut in June,

1557
01:09:47,517 --> 01:09:49,477
it was very crowded, very hot.

1558
01:09:50,228 --> 01:09:53,314
And a bunch of us got to go in and sit upstairs which

1559
01:09:53,398 --> 01:09:55,316
is like the VIP area.

1560
01:09:56,401 --> 01:09:58,236
We didn’t know what to expect.

1561
01:09:58,861 --> 01:10:00,321
Within 10 minutes I’m jumping out of my

1562
01:10:00,405 --> 01:10:01,489
seat and I’m saying,

1563
01:10:01,572 --> 01:10:03,241
I never saw that when I was on the beach all summer.

1564
01:10:03,574 --> 01:10:05,785
We started to realize that while we experienced this whole

1565
01:10:05,868 --> 01:10:07,870
summer on the beach,

1566
01:10:07,954 --> 01:10:10,665
we never really knew how a movie is made.

1567
01:10:11,124 --> 01:10:13,459
My whole first time I saw it was just

1568
01:10:13,543 --> 01:10:15,837
seeing who was in it that I didn’t know.

1569
01:10:16,546 --> 01:10:19,090
You know, it was almost embarrassing.

1570
01:10:19,549 --> 01:10:22,260
It was the first time I’d seen myself on the screen.

1571
01:10:22,593 --> 01:10:26,597
But to see the finished product be as spectacular as it was

1572
01:10:26,723 --> 01:10:27,974
was very rewarding.

1573
01:10:28,474 --> 01:10:31,978
David Brown and Richard Zanuck asked Peter and I to go to a

1574
01:10:32,061 --> 01:10:37,150
private screening of Jaws along with many of our dive friends,

1575
01:10:37,233 --> 01:10:40,611
Ron and Valerie Taylor, Stan Waterman.

1576
01:10:40,695 --> 01:10:43,781
And we had no idea whether this movie was going

1577
01:10:43,865 --> 01:10:47,827
to really work with people who knew the ocean and knew sharks.

1578
01:10:48,077 --> 01:10:48,911
And at the end,

1579
01:10:48,995 --> 01:10:51,998
they all got up and applauded and thought it

1580
01:10:52,081 --> 01:10:53,958
was absolutely fabulous.

1581
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:57,712
It was the first movie to break $100 million.

1582
01:10:57,795 --> 01:10:59,922
It annihilated the competition that had come before it,

1583
01:11:00,006 --> 01:11:01,591
The Exorcist, The Godfather.

1584
01:11:01,674 --> 01:11:02,633
Those big massive hits,

1585
01:11:02,717 --> 01:11:04,594
Jaws eclipsed them by a long, long way.

1586
01:11:04,677 --> 01:11:06,512
And then by the end of it, it actually finished its

1587
01:11:06,763 --> 01:11:09,056
domestic run and it made a quarter of a billion dollars...

1588
01:11:09,223 --> 01:11:11,642
which is over $1 billion today.

1589
01:11:12,143 --> 01:11:13,770
There were mixed reviews.

1590
01:11:13,936 --> 01:11:15,813
The reviews at first were what we were expecting which

1591
01:11:16,022 --> 01:11:18,649
was okay, here’s a popcorn summer picture.

1592
01:11:18,733 --> 01:11:21,527
And it wasn’t until like the third month of release

1593
01:11:21,611 --> 01:11:23,488
when it kept grossing,

1594
01:11:23,654 --> 01:11:25,364
a lot of the reviewers said, you know,

1595
01:11:25,448 --> 01:11:27,742
there’s something here we missed and it turned out

1596
01:11:27,825 --> 01:11:28,826
to be true.

1597
01:11:30,453 --> 01:11:32,455
The summer and fall of ‘75

1598
01:11:32,538 --> 01:11:35,792
had two major events in terms of our culture.

1599
01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:37,752
Jaws became a part of the culture.

1600
01:11:38,127 --> 01:11:41,005
And they had the first live telecast of

1601
01:11:41,088 --> 01:11:42,048
Saturday Night Live.

1602
01:11:42,256 --> 01:11:45,009
Live, from New York, it’s Saturday Night.

1603
01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:48,346
I was in the audience when the Land Shark showed up.

1604
01:11:48,721 --> 01:11:50,890
- What is it?
- Land shark.

1605
01:11:50,973 --> 01:11:52,266
Remember? "Candy gram."

1606
01:11:52,350 --> 01:11:54,977
- Candy gram.
- I thought it was hysterical.

1607
01:11:57,230 --> 01:11:58,940
Not only was it summer and suddenly

1608
01:11:59,023 --> 01:12:00,233
you were like afraid of going to the beach,

1609
01:12:00,316 --> 01:12:03,319
but it was also just something that was on everyone’s lips.

1610
01:12:03,861 --> 01:12:05,029
Jaws!

1611
01:12:05,196 --> 01:12:08,825
Jaws wasn’t just a movie, it was a pop culture phenomenon.

1612
01:12:09,283 --> 01:12:11,828
People wanted to put things on that were about Jaws.

1613
01:12:12,453 --> 01:12:14,664
And I desperately wanted a T-shirt.

1614
01:12:16,999 --> 01:12:19,460
The first two records I bought as a kid with

1615
01:12:19,544 --> 01:12:20,586
my own money were

1616
01:12:20,670 --> 01:12:21,879
The Godfather and Jaws.

1617
01:12:22,088 --> 01:12:23,965
Shark’s business has been terrific.

1618
01:12:24,382 --> 01:12:26,509
Everything’s going that even looks like a shark.

1619
01:12:27,009 --> 01:12:29,303
And I just wanted to get every little thing I could.

1620
01:12:29,387 --> 01:12:31,556
A find, toys, magazines, books.

1621
01:12:32,306 --> 01:12:33,975
Jaws made the cover of Time,

1622
01:12:34,225 --> 01:12:35,935
and we also made the cover of Mad Magazine.

1623
01:12:36,477 --> 01:12:39,063
I got to tell you, I was prouder of being on the cover

1624
01:12:39,146 --> 01:12:40,565
of Mad Magazine.

1625
01:12:41,858 --> 01:12:43,776
They had towels and T-shirts.

1626
01:12:43,860 --> 01:12:47,113
There’s that great picture of Dick Zanuck sitting there with

1627
01:12:47,196 --> 01:12:48,865
all the merch around him.

1628
01:12:49,407 --> 01:12:52,910
So, it became this monster in its own right.

1629
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,329
Good ‘ole Hollywood finds out who is the

1630
01:12:55,413 --> 01:12:58,457
nominee so far for this year’s Academy Award nominations.

1631
01:12:58,666 --> 01:13:02,712
When a film is on the cusp of being considered for awards,

1632
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,089
it’s not so much what you want for yourself,

1633
01:13:05,298 --> 01:13:08,467
it’s what everybody else says is going to happen for you.

1634
01:13:08,634 --> 01:13:11,721
Steve, if you’re not number one then I know there’s a fix in.

1635
01:13:12,263 --> 01:13:13,973
So, I just understood that I guess

1636
01:13:14,056 --> 01:13:15,474
I’m getting nominated.

1637
01:13:16,183 --> 01:13:18,060
So, when I wasn’t, I was surprised.

1638
01:13:18,394 --> 01:13:19,437
And I was disappointed.

1639
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,856
I wasn’t nominated for best director for Jaws.

1640
01:13:22,106 --> 01:13:24,442
Because I was believing the noise.

1641
01:13:24,775 --> 01:13:26,611
And you have to not believe that stuff.

1642
01:13:28,154 --> 01:13:29,864
But the film won for music.

1643
01:13:29,947 --> 01:13:31,157
John Williams for Jaws.

1644
01:13:31,574 --> 01:13:32,700
And sound.

1645
01:13:32,783 --> 01:13:34,118
Robert L. Hoyt, Roger Heman,

1646
01:13:34,201 --> 01:13:36,621
Earl Madery and John Carter for Jaws.

1647
01:13:37,163 --> 01:13:38,122
And editing.

1648
01:13:38,205 --> 01:13:40,082
Verna Fields for Jaws.

1649
01:13:41,792 --> 01:13:44,462
And Jaws was up for best picture against

1650
01:13:44,629 --> 01:13:46,047
One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest.

1651
01:13:46,130 --> 01:13:48,549
Which of course, won the Oscar.

1652
01:13:48,633 --> 01:13:49,717
Oh, yeah, I would’ve voted for

1653
01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,052
One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest

1654
01:13:51,135 --> 01:13:53,554
over Jaws for best picture, I would’ve done that.

1655
01:13:54,055 --> 01:13:55,473
You have to ask the question,

1656
01:13:55,848 --> 01:13:58,184
would people have gotten this excited over a shark two or

1657
01:13:58,267 --> 01:14:01,687
three years ago, before the book and the movie of Jaws?

1658
01:14:01,812 --> 01:14:03,898
Well, one of the crewmen on the boat that caught it said

1659
01:14:03,981 --> 01:14:06,442
two or three years ago, we wouldn’t have even taken

1660
01:14:06,525 --> 01:14:07,693
the time to catch it.

1661
01:14:08,402 --> 01:14:10,446
When Jaws came out,

1662
01:14:10,529 --> 01:14:13,866
we were truly horrified to see that some people took it

1663
01:14:13,950 --> 01:14:16,827
as a license to go kill sharks.

1664
01:14:19,163 --> 01:14:20,665
One of the bad things that came out

1665
01:14:20,748 --> 01:14:22,667
of the film was shark hunting spiked.

1666
01:14:23,292 --> 01:14:25,127
Teeth fall out and you put them on a gold chain and

1667
01:14:25,211 --> 01:14:27,630
you go to the movie and see Jaws and you have it made.

1668
01:14:27,838 --> 01:14:29,048
Everybody thinks you’re the best.

1669
01:14:29,131 --> 01:14:31,217
Trophy hunting was very popular.

1670
01:14:31,467 --> 01:14:36,097
And the number of white sharks had gone down as much as 80%.

1671
01:14:37,056 --> 01:14:38,557
People wanted to be like Quint.

1672
01:14:39,308 --> 01:14:42,645
People wanted to have that trophy that they could show off.

1673
01:14:42,728 --> 01:14:45,022
$10,000 for me by myself.

1674
01:14:45,356 --> 01:14:49,151
For that you get the head, the tail, the whole damn thing.

1675
01:14:49,485 --> 01:14:50,736
There’s definitely that kind of

1676
01:14:50,820 --> 01:14:54,824
negative connotation that came from Jaws about sharks.

1677
01:14:54,991 --> 01:14:56,200
Which is very unfortunate because I think there’s

1678
01:14:56,283 --> 01:14:57,868
other takeaways as well.

1679
01:14:58,953 --> 01:15:00,162
The impact of the movie,

1680
01:15:00,246 --> 01:15:02,540
you know, was horrendous at first.

1681
01:15:02,873 --> 01:15:05,167
But now people are really interested in the shark itself,

1682
01:15:05,459 --> 01:15:07,253
you know, not just something scary.

1683
01:15:08,212 --> 01:15:11,799
Because of this film, we’ve had so much energy that has

1684
01:15:11,882 --> 01:15:14,969
come into the field of learning and understanding sharks and

1685
01:15:15,052 --> 01:15:16,053
also safeguarding them.

1686
01:15:18,305 --> 01:15:20,683
There’s hundreds of species of sharks.

1687
01:15:20,891 --> 01:15:25,021
They all do vital things keeping the ocean healthy.

1688
01:15:25,980 --> 01:15:29,066
And therefore, the scariest thing would be an

1689
01:15:29,150 --> 01:15:30,443
ocean without sharks.

1690
01:15:31,485 --> 01:15:33,612
Now, we’re much more enlightened,

1691
01:15:33,946 --> 01:15:36,240
but there’s still horrific slaughter of sharks

1692
01:15:36,323 --> 01:15:37,867
going on out there.

1693
01:15:38,075 --> 01:15:39,952
There was a lot of fishing industry where they fin them

1694
01:15:40,036 --> 01:15:41,996
and they put them back in the water still alive so

1695
01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:43,748
they just sink to the bottom and die.

1696
01:15:44,206 --> 01:15:47,293
And those of us that are in ocean conservation are trying

1697
01:15:47,376 --> 01:15:48,753
to prevent that.

1698
01:15:49,086 --> 01:15:52,506
That is the really big issue in the oceans

1699
01:15:52,631 --> 01:15:55,760
for the devastation of the shark population.

1700
01:15:57,428 --> 01:15:59,138
With conservation efforts and

1701
01:15:59,221 --> 01:16:00,848
protection of the species,

1702
01:16:00,931 --> 01:16:03,642
we’re seeing the population start to rebound.

1703
01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:06,228
Today, if a shark washes up on a beach,

1704
01:16:06,312 --> 01:16:07,271
which has actually happened,

1705
01:16:07,354 --> 01:16:09,732
now we see people trying to get this animal back

1706
01:16:09,815 --> 01:16:11,525
into the water and resuscitate it.

1707
01:16:11,984 --> 01:16:14,236
That would’ve never happened 50 years ago.

1708
01:16:15,237 --> 01:16:17,823
The negative reaction hurt us

1709
01:16:17,907 --> 01:16:18,741
and horrified us.

1710
01:16:18,824 --> 01:16:22,870
And we became passionate defenders of sharks.

1711
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,581
We went with the National Geographic on

1712
01:16:25,664 --> 01:16:29,627
expeditions and we were so fortunate to learn with

1713
01:16:29,710 --> 01:16:31,212
these scientists and other experts.

1714
01:16:31,587 --> 01:16:34,131
After all of this time of being aware

1715
01:16:34,215 --> 01:16:37,802
of and fishing for and somehow encouraging the animal,

1716
01:16:38,010 --> 01:16:39,303
now the time has come to protect it.

1717
01:16:39,970 --> 01:16:41,972
Peter died in ’06.

1718
01:16:42,306 --> 01:16:45,976
And I wish he were here now to be able to see all of these

1719
01:16:46,060 --> 01:16:49,730
changes and to see that Jaws is still relevant

1720
01:16:49,814 --> 01:16:51,190
after 50 years.

1721
01:16:51,482 --> 01:16:53,692
I think he’d be very, very pleased.

1722
01:16:55,945 --> 01:16:58,280
We’ve also got people outside of the immediate

1723
01:16:58,364 --> 01:17:00,574
Jaws family picking up the gauntlet and driving

1724
01:17:00,658 --> 01:17:01,867
the legacy forward.

1725
01:17:02,368 --> 01:17:03,911
Like Robert Shaw’s son,

1726
01:17:03,994 --> 01:17:05,329
who has co-written a play called

1727
01:17:05,412 --> 01:17:07,706
The Shark is Broken about the making of Jaws which is

1728
01:17:07,790 --> 01:17:09,834
set on the Orca in which he plays his dad.

1729
01:17:10,918 --> 01:17:12,169
Who gets top billing?

1730
01:17:12,461 --> 01:17:15,881
There’s such a generosity of feeling towards Jaws and

1731
01:17:15,965 --> 01:17:19,552
there is such a desire to revisit and go back.

1732
01:17:20,177 --> 01:17:21,887
My father would’ve been shocked.

1733
01:17:22,388 --> 01:17:26,600
The idea that 50 years later people would still be quite so

1734
01:17:26,684 --> 01:17:30,020
interested, he would think it would be like some sort of

1735
01:17:30,104 --> 01:17:31,689
weird religious cult.

1736
01:17:31,897 --> 01:17:33,315
I honest to God thought,

1737
01:17:33,399 --> 01:17:35,317
I was really the only Jaws fan out there.

1738
01:17:35,568 --> 01:17:37,236
And then came the Internet.

1739
01:17:37,987 --> 01:17:40,197
Now on Facebook there’s Jaws groups,

1740
01:17:40,281 --> 01:17:42,283
Instagram has Jaws groups.

1741
01:17:42,366 --> 01:17:44,243
The Daily JAWS is out there.

1742
01:17:44,702 --> 01:17:46,912
The goal was to post something about Jaws on

1743
01:17:46,996 --> 01:17:50,166
social media every day to celebrate the 40th anniversary.

1744
01:17:51,292 --> 01:17:53,752
People were really resonating with what we were posting.

1745
01:17:53,836 --> 01:17:55,838
And people said, you’ve got to keep going.

1746
01:17:55,921 --> 01:17:57,381
So, 10 years later, here we are.

1747
01:17:57,965 --> 01:18:01,760
Just last week I was at a grocery store and on the inside

1748
01:18:01,844 --> 01:18:03,888
of the grocery cart it said,

1749
01:18:03,971 --> 01:18:05,681
"You’re going to need a bigger cart."

1750
01:18:06,932 --> 01:18:08,976
Jaws has become one of these movies

1751
01:18:09,059 --> 01:18:11,020
that’s kind of taken on a life of its own in

1752
01:18:11,103 --> 01:18:12,438
terms of the meme community.

1753
01:18:12,646 --> 01:18:14,231
There’s quite a few.

1754
01:18:14,690 --> 01:18:16,358
When you look on your phone and

1755
01:18:16,442 --> 01:18:17,443
you’re looking at the map,

1756
01:18:17,526 --> 01:18:19,945
you see Jaws bridge as one of the locations

1757
01:18:20,029 --> 01:18:21,405
on Google maps.

1758
01:18:21,989 --> 01:18:25,492
They have names of drinks at bars named after Jaws.

1759
01:18:25,743 --> 01:18:28,078
For the beach scene in Us,

1760
01:18:28,162 --> 01:18:32,791
I remember begging Steven to allow me to use the Jaws shirt

1761
01:18:32,875 --> 01:18:35,711
in my scene because what he was doing with Hitchcock,

1762
01:18:35,794 --> 01:18:38,505
I was piggybacking and sort of doing with him.

1763
01:18:38,881 --> 01:18:42,384
There’s still Jaws merchandise being created.

1764
01:18:45,471 --> 01:18:47,223
There’s a Lego coming out.

1765
01:18:47,306 --> 01:18:49,475
There’s people doing T-shirts and posters.

1766
01:18:49,642 --> 01:18:52,186
And people are still buying it because they’re still drawn to

1767
01:18:52,269 --> 01:18:54,605
everything associated with Jaws.

1768
01:18:54,772 --> 01:18:56,815
My theme of my birthday party when I was

1769
01:18:56,899 --> 01:18:58,067
like two years old was Jaws.

1770
01:18:58,150 --> 01:18:59,693
What?

1771
01:19:01,028 --> 01:19:03,864
You know it’s very interesting about this, Laurent, you know,

1772
01:19:03,948 --> 01:19:06,200
the shower scene in Psycho.

1773
01:19:08,369 --> 01:19:10,913
That, which terrified us when we saw the movie.

1774
01:19:10,996 --> 01:19:13,707
And now if I say it to an audience and demonstrate

1775
01:19:13,791 --> 01:19:15,000
something they all laugh.

1776
01:19:15,167 --> 01:19:17,127
It becomes funny. What also is funny...

1777
01:19:18,963 --> 01:19:20,381
...they will laugh.

1778
01:19:20,464 --> 01:19:24,009
So, there’s been a change of response over the years

1779
01:19:24,093 --> 01:19:26,011
to something that actually when we first,

1780
01:19:26,095 --> 01:19:28,180
in the context for which it was written,

1781
01:19:28,264 --> 01:19:30,975
has become now a cultural thing.

1782
01:19:31,225 --> 01:19:33,018
Where it’s going to be 50 years from now,

1783
01:19:33,102 --> 01:19:34,311
I don’t know.

1784
01:19:34,937 --> 01:19:36,772
All right, it’s January 12th,

1785
01:19:36,855 --> 01:19:41,277
so we have successfully stripped all of the

1786
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,737
textured paint off.

1787
01:19:44,321 --> 01:19:47,241
In 1991, the shark ended up in a junkyard.

1788
01:19:47,574 --> 01:19:49,118
The junkyard was closing.

1789
01:19:49,201 --> 01:19:52,621
It got donated to the Motion Picture Academy Museum.

1790
01:19:52,705 --> 01:19:53,580
And I reached out to them.

1791
01:19:53,664 --> 01:19:57,501
And I said I would love to do the restoration.

1792
01:19:57,584 --> 01:19:58,919
I’m friends with Joe Alves.

1793
01:19:59,003 --> 01:20:00,462
We can consult.

1794
01:20:00,546 --> 01:20:03,132
I have access to all the original teeth because the

1795
01:20:03,215 --> 01:20:05,217
inside of the mouth needed to be sculpted.

1796
01:20:05,634 --> 01:20:07,469
The gills needed to be sculpted.

1797
01:20:07,553 --> 01:20:08,762
Some of the fins were gone.

1798
01:20:08,846 --> 01:20:13,976
As you can see, it’s really in fantastic condition underneath.

1799
01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:17,813
And we had a crew of about nine people and it took us

1800
01:20:17,896 --> 01:20:19,857
about six months.

1801
01:20:20,858 --> 01:20:22,985
So, I donated a lot of the labor because I really

1802
01:20:23,068 --> 01:20:24,403
wanted to do it.

1803
01:20:24,486 --> 01:20:27,239
And low and behold, now it exists again.

1804
01:20:32,911 --> 01:20:34,121
When you make a film,

1805
01:20:34,204 --> 01:20:35,205
at least when I make a film,

1806
01:20:35,289 --> 01:20:36,290
I have to be passionate about the subject matter.

1807
01:20:36,373 --> 01:20:37,833
I have to know that that’s all I want to do for

1808
01:20:37,916 --> 01:20:39,001
the next couple of years.

1809
01:20:39,084 --> 01:20:40,794
And I have to know that’s where my lifestyle will be

1810
01:20:40,878 --> 01:20:41,962
two years from now.

1811
01:20:42,046 --> 01:20:43,922
So, I just think it’s very important to, you know,

1812
01:20:44,006 --> 01:20:46,216
to spend the time and you know,

1813
01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:49,595
consider each film kind of the beginning,

1814
01:20:49,678 --> 01:20:51,013
middle, and end of your life.

1815
01:20:51,722 --> 01:20:54,183
I had a real tough time when I finished the movie.

1816
01:20:54,266 --> 01:20:56,977
And the success was fantastic but it didn’t

1817
01:20:57,061 --> 01:20:58,437
stop the nightmares.

1818
01:20:58,645 --> 01:21:00,606
It didn’t stop me waking up in the middle of the night

1819
01:21:00,689 --> 01:21:03,984
in a cold sweat where the sheets would be soaking wet.

1820
01:21:04,276 --> 01:21:07,112
We didn’t have the words PTSD in those days.

1821
01:21:07,196 --> 01:21:09,948
And I had consistent nightmares about directing Jaws

1822
01:21:10,032 --> 01:21:11,575
for years afterwards.

1823
01:21:11,742 --> 01:21:14,328
I was still on the movie and the film was never ending.

1824
01:21:14,411 --> 01:21:17,373
When they brought one of the boats all the way back from

1825
01:21:17,456 --> 01:21:19,833
Martha’s Vineyard and shipped the boat, the Orca,

1826
01:21:19,917 --> 01:21:22,336
to the Universal back lot and put it in the water right

1827
01:21:22,419 --> 01:21:24,046
next to the Jaws ride,

1828
01:21:26,548 --> 01:21:28,550
I used to get in my electric cart without

1829
01:21:28,634 --> 01:21:31,470
telling anybody, and I would sneak behind the trams,

1830
01:21:31,762 --> 01:21:35,391
nobody could see me, and I’d just sneak on board the boat

1831
01:21:35,474 --> 01:21:40,104
and I would sit in the cabin in that little leather red booth

1832
01:21:41,063 --> 01:21:44,024
and I would just sit there and sometimes cry.

1833
01:21:44,650 --> 01:21:45,609
And I had nothing to cry about.

1834
01:21:45,692 --> 01:21:47,903
The film was this phenomenon and I’m sitting

1835
01:21:47,986 --> 01:21:50,155
here shedding tears.

1836
01:21:50,489 --> 01:21:55,285
Because I’m not able to divest myself of the experience.

1837
01:21:55,869 --> 01:21:58,414
The boat helped me to begin to forget.

1838
01:21:58,664 --> 01:22:04,253
That Orca was my therapeutic companion for several years

1839
01:22:04,336 --> 01:22:05,796
after Jaws came out.

1840
01:22:08,549 --> 01:22:10,551
Jaws has transcended time

1841
01:22:10,634 --> 01:22:13,971
because it’s built this mythology.

1842
01:22:14,054 --> 01:22:17,015
And aside from the fact that it’s a great movie,

1843
01:22:17,099 --> 01:22:20,227
it’s also a unique cautionary tale about filmmaking.

1844
01:22:21,979 --> 01:22:26,483
People are still enthralled with how man slayed the beast.

1845
01:22:27,484 --> 01:22:29,570
Break it up, will you chief?

1846
01:22:29,653 --> 01:22:31,321
Daylight’s wasting.

1847
01:22:32,030 --> 01:22:36,660
This was a movie that taught me that horror

1848
01:22:37,035 --> 01:22:41,748
didn’t have to be something that left me feeling icky.

1849
01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:44,960
You okay?

1850
01:22:45,252 --> 01:22:48,088
It hasn’t lost a minute in terms of timeliness.

1851
01:22:48,881 --> 01:22:51,425
If anything, it seems fresher to me now than it did then.

1852
01:22:51,884 --> 01:22:55,095
We’re more afraid of the natural world than we were.

1853
01:22:55,262 --> 01:22:58,974
And we’re more acclimated to the same kind of corruption

1854
01:22:59,224 --> 01:23:01,727
where politicians will do anything to hide what they

1855
01:23:01,810 --> 01:23:03,520
don’t want you to know.

1856
01:23:04,605 --> 01:23:06,273
I think it’s fair to say the cinema wouldn’t

1857
01:23:06,356 --> 01:23:08,442
be where it is without Jaws.

1858
01:23:08,942 --> 01:23:12,446
It just supercharged the language of cinema.

1859
01:23:12,821 --> 01:23:14,072
Hurry up, he’s coming straight for us.

1860
01:23:14,156 --> 01:23:15,073
Don’t screw it up, now.

1861
01:23:15,157 --> 01:23:16,158
Don’t wait for me.

1862
01:23:17,075 --> 01:23:20,037
Jaws moved the bar in terms of audiences and

1863
01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:21,705
what kind of thrill they might get.

1864
01:23:25,542 --> 01:23:27,586
It’s only the audience that makes it a hit.

1865
01:23:28,337 --> 01:23:30,297
And after 50 years, they’ve been telling us, okay,

1866
01:23:30,380 --> 01:23:32,090
Jaws is a hit. We like this movie.

1867
01:23:32,382 --> 01:23:35,469
It’s an endless conversation you can have about

1868
01:23:35,552 --> 01:23:37,679
Jaws and all the details forever seem to

1869
01:23:37,763 --> 01:23:39,264
reveal themselves to me.

1870
01:23:39,556 --> 01:23:41,517
You kind of notice something new every time.

1871
01:23:41,850 --> 01:23:44,436
I love that film can morph into being one

1872
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:46,480
thing for one generation and then another thing to

1873
01:23:46,563 --> 01:23:48,315
the next generation.

1874
01:23:48,815 --> 01:23:50,234
One of my favorite lines is...

1875
01:23:50,317 --> 01:23:52,694
Michael, did you hear your father?

1876
01:23:52,778 --> 01:23:54,613
...out of the water. Now!

1877
01:23:54,696 --> 01:23:56,323
Now!

1878
01:23:56,657 --> 01:23:58,408
I love that scene.

1879
01:23:59,576 --> 01:24:02,204
The lesson in cinema for me with Steven

1880
01:24:02,454 --> 01:24:06,667
in particular is the ability to make things work when

1881
01:24:06,750 --> 01:24:08,210
nothing is working.

1882
01:24:08,544 --> 01:24:09,670
You have to...

1883
01:24:09,753 --> 01:24:11,630
I want to get this boat out because we can't be out there...

1884
01:24:11,713 --> 01:24:13,507
The whole thing’s a complete mess but it ends up

1885
01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:17,010
being this symphony where everything just comes together.

1886
01:24:17,761 --> 01:24:19,471
The editing, the music, the acting,

1887
01:24:19,888 --> 01:24:21,640
the wonderful direction.

1888
01:24:21,848 --> 01:24:24,351
A wise director understands that

1889
01:24:24,434 --> 01:24:27,229
directing is hostage negotiation with reality.

1890
01:24:27,563 --> 01:24:30,357
And the movie is as flawless today as it will be

1891
01:24:30,440 --> 01:24:31,692
100 years from now.

1892
01:24:33,860 --> 01:24:36,738
It’s one of those rare occurrences

1893
01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:41,702
where a generational phenomenon turns out to

1894
01:24:41,785 --> 01:24:43,579
also be a masterpiece.

1895
01:24:46,123 --> 01:24:48,125
I think certain films just get a status.

1896
01:24:48,208 --> 01:24:49,209
Quint!

1897
01:24:49,293 --> 01:24:50,794
There have been movies made since

1898
01:24:50,877 --> 01:24:53,547
using CG sharks that aren’t nearly as good.

1899
01:24:53,839 --> 01:24:56,758
It was those actors in that moment in history with

1900
01:24:56,842 --> 01:24:59,219
that director and no one ever having seen

1901
01:24:59,303 --> 01:25:00,637
anything like that before.

1902
01:25:03,765 --> 01:25:05,851
Some films just hit that perfection.

1903
01:25:06,143 --> 01:25:08,729
They become sharks. They’re perfect machines.

1904
01:25:12,733 --> 01:25:15,861
To me, Jaws was a life-altering experience.

1905
01:25:16,278 --> 01:25:17,237
On the one hand,

1906
01:25:17,321 --> 01:25:20,365
it was a traumatizing experience for me that was

1907
01:25:20,449 --> 01:25:22,784
mostly about survival.

1908
01:25:23,952 --> 01:25:25,370
And I think all of us feel we

1909
01:25:25,454 --> 01:25:27,247
survived something.

1910
01:25:27,664 --> 01:25:30,167
Jaws, also, I owe everything to.

1911
01:25:30,292 --> 01:25:32,586
Because of Jaws I got final cut and I’ve had it for the

1912
01:25:32,669 --> 01:25:34,171
past 50 years.

1913
01:25:35,547 --> 01:25:39,468
And I just hope that all the people that worked on Jaws,

1914
01:25:41,845 --> 01:25:45,474
wore that experience proudly like a badge of honor.

1915
01:25:48,352 --> 01:25:52,105
And was able to go through life in the glory of the success

1916
01:25:52,189 --> 01:25:55,651
that Jaws became, to be able to say,

1917
01:25:56,026 --> 01:25:59,821
each individually, hey, I helped make that movie.

1918
01:26:01,782 --> 01:26:07,204
I helped tell that story. I share in its success.

1919
01:26:08,997 --> 01:26:11,458
I used to hate the water.

1920
01:26:11,875 --> 01:26:14,503
I can’t imagine why.

1920
01:26:15,305 --> 01:27:15,637
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