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[tense music plays]
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[men speaking indistinctly on radio]
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In early 2011, I was a special
agent assigned to wiretaps.
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[static crackles]
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-[man 1] What's happening?
-[man 2] What's going on?
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[agent] I had this case
where a corrupt cop
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had been stealing
drugs outta evidence
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before redistributing them
onto the very streets
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he's supposed to
be keeping them from.
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[man 2]
The guy wants three more packages.
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[man 1]
Whoo-hoo! [chuckles]
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[agent] But then,
right in the middle of the conversation,
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...they started talking
about something else entirely.
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[eerie sting]
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[man 1]
We have this great TV show.
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Everything was going great.
Then, all of a sudden, boom!
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Don't kill the project.
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I was like, "Is this
some elaborate Hollywood hoax on us?"
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[dramatic sting]
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I mean, very few cases in my 25 years
have had such a strange story behind it.
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[frenetic string music plays]
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[man 3] The idea of the reality show,
P.I. Moms of San Francisco,
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was a very ingenious idea.
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{\an8}They are private investigator moms
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going undercover on sting operations
and making busts,
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all in time to get home and
help the kids with homework.
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Check this out.
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Oh my God, this is not happening.
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I was like, "Wow!
We're gonna be on a billboard."
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As a showrunner,
I've got tons of great characters.
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This is gonna be the easiest
show I've ever produced.
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Chris, why women?
You say they're great multitaskers.
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That's correct.
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[music becomes tense]
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Also, no one
really challenges my authority.
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[woman] This story was supposed
to be about the P.I. Moms,
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but by the deeds
of a few men, it was gone.
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It was taken from us.
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[dramatic music plays]
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It was constantly one problem
and disaster after another.
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Who the fuck just
completely sabotaged everything?
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[people clamoring]
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I didn't want this to be like
a Real Housewives,
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and this has become worse
than a Real Housewives.
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-[tires skidding]
-[car horn blares]
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We were all completely unaware
what was really going on.
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Somebody is blatantly lying
on my stage again!
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Holy shit.
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What is happening here?
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[man 4] There was so much lying,
cheating, and psychosis.
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I mean, it was just crazy town.
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[music building]
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[Chris] We're talking
about the crystal.
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He wants the sample.
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It was all over the place.
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[bell rings]
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Methamphetamine,
P.I. Moms, police corruption,
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wiretapping, potential threats…
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-[clapper clacks]
-…and reality TV.
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[music crescendos, ends]
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Time out. Time out.
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[electronic whooshing]
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[distorted electric
guitar note plays]
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{\an8}-[car horns honking]
-[siren wailing in distance]
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[mellow jazz music plays]
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My name is Lucas Platt.
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{\an8}And in 2010,
I was living in New York City.
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As a reality TV showrunner,
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I was just wrapping up the first season
of Steven Seagal: Lawman.
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-[siren wailing] [narrator]
No scripts, no stunt doubles,
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no second chances.
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[people clamoring]
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[Lucas] At the time, shows like that
were big business and huge money spinners,
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and everyone wanted the next
Keeping Up with the Kardashians
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or Real Housewives,
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and there seemed to be
no end to the reality boom.
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For me, though,
I just really loved the adrenaline rush
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and the quick thinking
that you had to do to-- to come up with
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a-- a great hour of television.
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[music fades]
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[laptop chimes]
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I was looking for my next job,
and I got an email from Lifetime.
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They were interested
in making a series
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about this private investigation
firm out in the Bay Area,
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with a really interesting twist.
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[intriguing music plays]
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{\an8}They are private
investigator moms.
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{\an8}Thanks very much for being here.
This is fascinating.
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First of all,
how did you get started in this?
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{\an8}Before becoming
a private investigator,
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I had worked in the legal world
in different capacities.
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I had just become a new mom,
and I had very small children
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and was trying to figure out
how I could still have a career,
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but also be with my kids.
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And that's when it popped up,
this job at Butler & Associates.
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[dramatic music plays]
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[Chris] Who wanted this?
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{\an8}-My name is Chris Butler.
-[clapper clacks]
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{\an8}I am the owner of Butler
& Associates Private Investigations.
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Uh, what we do here is, uh,
uncover the truth.
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I find each person at this table
very valuable.
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[Denise] Working for Chris was great.
He was very professional.
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You know, it seemed like he stumbled upon,
like, the secret of investigative work,
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of, like, hiring moms.
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[woman] Oh, here we go.
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[Denise] For me, it was exciting,
and every case was different.
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And there was just
an empowering feeling of knowing
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one part of you is taking the kids
to school and the daycare,
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and the other part's
doing undercover work,
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investigating fraud, or
surveillance on some cheating spouse.
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It was pretty cool.
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[Chris] My background is
in law enforcement,
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and it was
a very tumultuous ten-year career.
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[woman talking indistinctly]
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[Chris] I push the envelope.
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And that's-- I carry that over
into this work. I don't stop.
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Testing. Testing.
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-Alright, let's go.
-Beautiful, let's go.
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[woman] My first impression of Chris
was definitely like a businessman,
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{\an8}-but I also saw his vision.
-[clapper clacks]
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{\an8}And I thought,
"Wow, he's got a great idea."
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I mean, he's really trying
to give mothers an opportunity,
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and at that time,
I wanted that opportunity as well.
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[music ends]
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I had just come from the sheriff's office,
where I worked 12-hour days, um,
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so my kids were in daycare a lot.
I wasn't--
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I missed a lot of birthday parties,
a lot of holidays.
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So, with this new job,
it was not only more flexible,
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I also knew right away
that I-- I loved it.
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'Cause I was out in the field,
I was moving,
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and I was working with
these amazing, powerful women
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with various backgrounds.
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[women speaking indistinctly]
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[Denise] We obviously had
a lot of women in the office.
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There was Michelle,
Charmagne, and Ami,
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but we also had one guy.
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{\an8}-His name was Carl Marino.
-[clapper clacks]
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{\an8}He was former
law enforcement,
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and he had come on board
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because there were times where
you just needed a male partner
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or a male, like,
to be in a particular case.
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And, you know, initially, we were like,
"Wow, he's very attractive."
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And,
"He kind of looks like a model."
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And we started to learn
that he was interested in acting
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and did some extra roles on TV.
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-Find someone else to flirt with.
-She's my fucking girlfriend, asshole!
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I thought that was interesting.
"You got this side thing you do."
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Chris definitely gravitated
more towards Carl,
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and I think a lot of that
had to do with his acting.
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I mean, Chris was always
chasing the limelight,
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and we were all aware
that he was trying to brand P.I. Moms
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and really push both us and him
out into the media.
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Welcome, Chris Butler
and three of his P.I. Moms,
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-Denise, Michelle, and Charmagne.
-[applause]
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Chris, why women?
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You say they're great multitaskers.
What do you mean?
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When I switched to women,
specifically P.I. Moms,
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it was more of a team mentality.
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More nurturing, more-- more caring,
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and that translated directly
into, uh, happier clients.
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[Lucas] After I saw the Dr. Phil clips…
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[pleasant music playing]
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…I immediately flew out to California
to meet Chris and the P.I. Moms.
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I just loved the idea
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of showing this group of women
busting criminals together.
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I liked Lucas from the get-go.
Like, he seemed to be great.
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He seemed to be very interested
in doing this show and this story,
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but I told him, "I don't want this
to be like a Real Housewives."
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You… [bleep] …stupid bitch! Get… [bleep]
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Reality TV, it shows
the worst of people, I feel like.
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-I'll… [bleep] …hurt you. Don't do that.
-[woman] Stop!
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If this show's gonna be
about us internally fighting
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and all this kind of stuff, like,
I really wasn't interested.
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[Lucas] The moms were really concerned
about the show,
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but I reassured them we weren't looking
for infighting or drama,
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just good cases and personal stories.
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When Lucas approached me about the show
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and wanting to put me
on there as a P.I. Mom,
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I just didn't wanna have
anything to do with it.
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[Lucas] Ami struck me as a person
who had been through
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some pretty traumatic stuff,
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but smart and decisive and-- and just a--
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You know, like, a good person
who would be really good for TV.
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[intriguing jazz music playing]
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[Ami] I had a little bit
of a rough background,
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and Lucas said that
we could definitely incorporate my traumas
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into the show itself.
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And so I decided I wanted to show
other women that you can survive,
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you can make it,
and don't let anyone tell you you can't.
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[music ends]
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[Lucas] After that initial meeting
with the P.I. Moms,
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I just thought, "This is a home run."
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They're articulate and funny and smart.
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We're gonna make a great series.
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{\an8}My name is Theresa Moore-King.
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I was the line producer for P.I. Moms.
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If there is a problem in the production,
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be it people, personnel,
schedule, locations, money,
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it is my job to fix it.
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[producer] So you're the real boss, then?
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[laughing]
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Okay.
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Sure.
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-[pops]
-[women scream and laugh]
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[dramatic music plays]
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Lifetime was a thousand percent
behind this show.
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They knew the possibilities were endless.
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You know, it could break off into New York
or into Chicago or into Atlanta.
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You know, those were all opportunities.
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But the spark of that
had to be with this show in San Francisco.
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{\an8}[clapper clacks]
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{\an8}For a reality show,
this was a pretty big-scale production.
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There were three camera crews,
multiple locations,
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and just a lot of different elements.
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I think our budget
was about four million for eight episodes,
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which is obviously a healthy budget,
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but only if you're getting all the things
you need to make a show happen.
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-[cymbal crashes]
-[music ends]
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[Lucas] Before we started shooting,
I went to Butler's offices,
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and there was a guy
at the front desk, this guy Carl Marino.
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I think he was manning the phones
while everybody else was at lunch,
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and, uh, he just kind of grabbed me
and told me that he really felt strongly
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-that he should be, um…
-[intriguing music playing]
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…one of the main characters in the series.
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Carl's argument was
that because of the work that he had done
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on this series Trauma…
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Premature ventricular contractions,
probably too much green tea.
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[Lucas] …that that fan base,
particularly women,
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would tune in to see
the P.I. Moms series because of him.
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It just felt like egotism run amok.
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I explained to him
that the show is called P.I. Moms,
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and he's not a mom.
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"I'm so sorry,
but the network has already decided
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that it's gonna be Chris and the moms,
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and that was that."
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So I thought, "Okay."
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"He's out of the picture.
We're good to go."
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-[lights clunking]
-[dramatic music plays]
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That first day of shooting,
it was very exhilarating.
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They showcased us training,
they showcased us doing certain cases.
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And I was thinking, "Hopefully,
this will inspire other women."
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"Hey, you can do this job too," you know?
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"We're ordinary people
doing this cool thing,
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and you can do it too."
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[Ami] I was having so much fun.
I loved production. We were a family.
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I'd say we were like the Charlie's Angels
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because we were so different,
yet so powerful.
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[music crescendos]
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[music ends]
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At that point, I just thought,
"I've got tons of great characters."
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"This is gonna be
the easiest show I've ever produced."
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[producer] And, was it?
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[chuckles]
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[Pete] I feel this is the point
in the story
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where everything takes a left turn.
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{\an8}-[chuckles]
-[intriguing music plays]
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I'm a journalist, and one day,
I got a really interesting pitch.
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A Beverly Hills publicist
emailed me and said,
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"Hey, you might not know this,
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but there's a group
of private eye investigators
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who are also sort of soccer moms."
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"They're filming for a new reality series
for Lifetime Television."
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"Would you like to ride along
on an investigation
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on a day off from filming?"
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-And I really smelled a great story here.
-[music ends]
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[Denise] It was
your typical infidelity case.
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The client believed
that her fiancé was cheating on her.
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And so she wanted
to make sure before she got married,
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"Is this guy for real?"
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[intriguing music plays]
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[Pete] So I got in the minivan
with the P.I. Moms.
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Denise is slouched down
in the passenger seat
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with the video camera shooting.
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As a huge fan of detective stories,
I had butterflies.
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[Denise] It's an exciting job, so…
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You know, and I was hoping
that would come through in the article.
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Oh! Oh, look!
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Here he comes.
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[Peter] Within just a few minutes,
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the fiancé came roaring up the driveway
and took off.
283
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Charmagne hit the gas hard.
284
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[tires skidding]
285
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-[engine revving]
-The chase was on.
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The guy pulled into a nice lunch spot.
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[Denise] Look! Look, look!
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But he's got a young brunette
in the passenger seat.
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They stopped right in front of our car
with Denise filming on video.
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[Denise] We have a cheater, people.
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And then, boom… case closed.
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[chuckles softly]
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[typing on keyboard]
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[Peter] I'm not a reality show watcher,
295
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but this one felt like
it would make for a gripping show.
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These were likable moms.
Butler was an interesting character.
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I felt like this idea can't miss.
298
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And then, all of a sudden,
an email comes in…
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-[computer chimes]
-[dramatic sting]
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…that completely changes
my perspective on the story.
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[intriguing music plays]
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It's from somebody
named Ronald Rutherford.
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"I'm writing this as a courtesy to you."
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"It'd be a mistake to publish the article
on the P.I. Moms and Chris Butler."
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-"Chris totally played you."
-[dramatic sting]
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"The case that you sat in on
was totally scripted."
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"All the participants
were employees or paid actors."
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"I'm not sure
what your intentions are with the article,
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but I hope that publishing it
is not in your plans."
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"Thanks. A concerned citizen."
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[music fades]
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It was just wild,
313
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because I had never suspected
that this had been staged at all.
314
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[intriguing string music plays]
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I was angry
that I had been exploited like this,
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and that I had been played for a chump.
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But I also thought if Chris Butler
was willing to do this to a local magazine
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and go to such elaborate lengths,
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what's to stop them
from doing it for this reality show?
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I needed to talk to whoever
was running the whole P.I. Moms show.
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Because, after all,
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everybody wonders
how fake reality television is.
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[computer chimes]
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[Lucas] Oh, shit.
325
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We've got a big problem.
326
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[talking indistinctly]
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If somebody decided to publish a story
about how this show was fake,
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that would just ruin us.
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I explained to him
that what we were doing was 100% real,
330
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and I was very clear
that all the cases were legitimate.
331
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[Peter] He told me that they were doing
backflips trying to make a reality show
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about real cases and-- and real people.
333
00:16:54,304 --> 00:16:57,307
I appreciated
that he was being transparent with me,
334
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and I believed him.
335
00:16:58,642 --> 00:16:59,935
[music ends]
336
00:17:00,019 --> 00:17:02,396
The first email comes in
to Diablo magazine…
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00:17:02,479 --> 00:17:05,941
[Lucas] Pete told me
about this Ronald Rutherford character,
338
00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:09,486
and at that point, then I did get worried,
339
00:17:09,570 --> 00:17:16,160
because it was very clear
that someone's trying to ruin the series.
340
00:17:16,243 --> 00:17:17,327
Ugh.
341
00:17:18,662 --> 00:17:20,664
[bell ringing]
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00:17:21,749 --> 00:17:25,794
There was a certain irony
to suggesting that we had fake cases,
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because, at that point,
part of the problem with the TV show
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was there weren't that many cases
to begin with.
345
00:17:34,803 --> 00:17:36,346
[ominous music plays]
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00:17:36,430 --> 00:17:39,516
[Flitter] Lucas told me
that Chris had over-promised
347
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,019
how many cases he was actually working on.
348
00:17:42,102 --> 00:17:45,397
{\an8}-So I was brought on to find cases…
-[clapper clacks]
349
00:17:45,481 --> 00:17:47,983
{\an8}…that the P.I. Moms could sleuth out.
350
00:17:48,067 --> 00:17:51,487
Yeah, in effect,
I was drumming up business for Chris.
351
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[laughs]
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On top of that, as we started shooting,
I really saw Chris as the weak link.
353
00:18:01,163 --> 00:18:02,748
[GPS voice] Approaching left turn.
354
00:18:03,540 --> 00:18:05,042
[Chris] But I wanna go right.
355
00:18:05,125 --> 00:18:07,086
[Denise] That's okay. It'll reset.
356
00:18:07,169 --> 00:18:09,922
I couldn't tell
if, you know, he was the type of person
357
00:18:10,005 --> 00:18:12,925
who played everything
really close to the vest, or shy,
358
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or what it was,
359
00:18:13,967 --> 00:18:15,094
but I was concerned
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00:18:15,177 --> 00:18:20,349
because quiet, inarticulate,
awkward characters in reality TV
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are death.
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00:18:22,101 --> 00:18:23,435
[women] Oh!
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00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:24,812
Did I just hear that?
364
00:18:24,895 --> 00:18:27,147
[Lucas] But I knew
we were gonna be able to overcome it,
365
00:18:27,231 --> 00:18:30,692
because the moms,
they were big characters,
366
00:18:30,776 --> 00:18:35,197
and their stories were so rich,
367
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,492
and I knew that if we focused
on them, not him,
368
00:18:38,575 --> 00:18:40,369
we could make something great.
369
00:18:40,452 --> 00:18:41,912
-Nice to meet you.
-Yeah.
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00:18:41,995 --> 00:18:44,456
-Wanna see what I worked up for you?
-Yes.
371
00:18:44,540 --> 00:18:48,418
[Lucas] One scene we shot,
Ami wanted to get a tattoo.
372
00:18:49,711 --> 00:18:53,549
It was a way of her
kind of working through personal trauma.
373
00:18:53,632 --> 00:18:55,092
[gentle, poignant music playing]
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00:18:55,175 --> 00:18:58,137
[Ami] I thought,
"I wanna take this opportunity
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to tell my story on camera."
376
00:19:01,098 --> 00:19:02,933
[producer] Ami interview, take one, mark.
377
00:19:03,016 --> 00:19:05,269
[Ami] I sat down, and Lucas said,
378
00:19:06,103 --> 00:19:07,729
"Tell me about your son."
379
00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:10,232
[sighs]
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00:19:12,276 --> 00:19:14,069
When my son was 13 months old,
381
00:19:16,697 --> 00:19:19,324
I trusted somebody being around my child,
382
00:19:20,075 --> 00:19:22,244
but my son was attacked,
383
00:19:22,911 --> 00:19:25,122
which caused brain damage,
384
00:19:25,747 --> 00:19:30,252
and, a few years later,
my son ultimately died.
385
00:19:33,755 --> 00:19:35,048
He was a special boy.
386
00:19:39,386 --> 00:19:41,388
[breathes uneasily]
387
00:19:46,059 --> 00:19:48,061
[delicate piano music plays]
388
00:19:49,771 --> 00:19:50,939
That was the first time
389
00:19:51,023 --> 00:19:55,235
that I had really talked about it
with anybody, including my family.
390
00:19:57,446 --> 00:20:00,657
It was so difficult,
and it took everything in me.
391
00:20:04,161 --> 00:20:07,331
[Denise] Prior to the show,
I didn't know that about her.
392
00:20:08,373 --> 00:20:09,791
It was very emotional,
393
00:20:09,875 --> 00:20:14,838
because, to me,
Ami was just such a tough woman.
394
00:20:18,717 --> 00:20:22,054
When I heard that story,
I thought to myself,
395
00:20:22,137 --> 00:20:25,557
"Wow, something that big
and that serious?"
396
00:20:25,641 --> 00:20:31,563
"That was really cool that the show
wanted to take something like that on."
397
00:20:33,607 --> 00:20:35,275
[train horn blares]
398
00:20:36,652 --> 00:20:42,532
[Lucas] After we filmed that scene,
we started to really ramp up shooting.
399
00:20:42,616 --> 00:20:43,867
[intriguing music plays]
400
00:20:43,951 --> 00:20:46,662
[Flitter] "The Unlicensed P.I."
was one of our show ideas.
401
00:20:46,745 --> 00:20:52,918
The P.I. Moms, they were going to sting
an actual unlicensed private investigator
402
00:20:53,001 --> 00:20:57,381
by setting him up with a pretend case,
403
00:20:57,464 --> 00:20:59,841
and then bust him,
404
00:20:59,925 --> 00:21:02,678
like, "Hey, you're not supposed
to do this without a license."
405
00:21:03,971 --> 00:21:08,558
The network, me, the producers,
we all were very excited about it.
406
00:21:08,642 --> 00:21:11,812
So then that way, if he makes a left
and goes west, you can follow him.
407
00:21:11,895 --> 00:21:14,398
-And I'll have a chance to get behind you.
-All right.
408
00:21:15,107 --> 00:21:17,150
[Ami] Lucas and the crew
had already filmed
409
00:21:17,234 --> 00:21:20,946
all of our hard work, uh,
Denise researching,
410
00:21:21,029 --> 00:21:23,740
Michelle preparing
and making contact with him.
411
00:21:23,824 --> 00:21:26,702
-So all we needed was the final sting…
-[computer chimes]
412
00:21:26,785 --> 00:21:28,370
…to close out that case
413
00:21:28,453 --> 00:21:31,123
and have a great episode
for the P.I. Moms show.
414
00:21:31,206 --> 00:21:33,458
[suspenseful music plays]
415
00:21:33,542 --> 00:21:36,586
On the day of the final scene,
Michelle and I were supposed to meet
416
00:21:36,670 --> 00:21:39,339
the unlicensed private investigator
in Walnut Creek.
417
00:21:41,633 --> 00:21:45,637
[Lucas] I was in my production office,
waiting to hear back from my producers.
418
00:21:46,888 --> 00:21:48,265
Ten o'clock, nothing.
419
00:21:49,057 --> 00:21:50,225
Eleven o'clock, nothing.
420
00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:51,476
[line ringing]
421
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:52,936
Noon, nothing.
422
00:21:54,104 --> 00:21:56,440
[Flitter] Lucas was just pacing
back and forth.
423
00:21:56,523 --> 00:21:59,067
And I was kind of just looking around,
going, "What is going on?"
424
00:21:59,651 --> 00:22:02,821
We were like,
"Oh no, he's not gonna show up."
425
00:22:04,489 --> 00:22:08,493
And so the production crew
asked Michelle to call him one more time.
426
00:22:09,411 --> 00:22:10,829
[line ringing]
427
00:22:10,912 --> 00:22:12,664
[suspenseful music building]
428
00:22:12,748 --> 00:22:15,292
And, finally, he actually answered…
429
00:22:15,375 --> 00:22:16,376
[line ringing]
430
00:22:16,460 --> 00:22:18,045
-[dramatic sting]
-[music ends]
431
00:22:18,128 --> 00:22:21,465
…and told Michelle,
"I'm not coming. I've been tipped off."
432
00:22:21,548 --> 00:22:23,091
[eerie music plays]
433
00:22:23,175 --> 00:22:28,930
My initial thought was, "Who the fuck
just completely sabotaged everything?"
434
00:22:29,014 --> 00:22:29,931
[music ends]
435
00:22:30,974 --> 00:22:31,975
[Lucas] I was just…
436
00:22:32,059 --> 00:22:33,935
[ominous music plays]
437
00:22:34,019 --> 00:22:34,853
…livid.
438
00:22:36,605 --> 00:22:39,107
But I wasn't just gonna kinda let it go.
439
00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:41,902
I thought, first, we needed
to figure out who's the tipster.
440
00:22:42,861 --> 00:22:44,529
Maybe that's who was sending
441
00:22:44,613 --> 00:22:47,491
the crazy Ronald Rutherford emails
to Pete.
442
00:22:47,574 --> 00:22:49,159
[tense music playing]
443
00:22:49,242 --> 00:22:52,704
So I called the unlicensed P.I.,
444
00:22:52,788 --> 00:22:57,959
and I said, "Listen, you're right,
you were going to be filmed,
445
00:22:58,710 --> 00:23:03,548
but if you don't mind,
call the guy who called you,
446
00:23:03,632 --> 00:23:05,634
and let us hear the voice."
447
00:23:05,717 --> 00:23:06,593
And he did.
448
00:23:06,676 --> 00:23:07,552
[music ends]
449
00:23:07,636 --> 00:23:09,596
[line ringing]
450
00:23:09,679 --> 00:23:11,264
He dialed the phone…
451
00:23:11,348 --> 00:23:12,808
[line ringing]
452
00:23:14,267 --> 00:23:15,727
…it rang a few times…
453
00:23:15,811 --> 00:23:17,187
[line ringing]
454
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:20,857
…and, finally, phone connected.
455
00:23:20,941 --> 00:23:24,194
[suspenseful music building]
456
00:23:24,277 --> 00:23:26,196
-[music crescendos]
-[line connects]
457
00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:27,239
[man] Hello?
458
00:23:27,322 --> 00:23:30,367
[intriguing string music plays]
459
00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:35,664
I couldn't fucking believe it.
Ronald Rutherford was Carl Marino.
460
00:23:40,043 --> 00:23:41,670
[Ami] I felt rage.
461
00:23:42,254 --> 00:23:46,466
Like, in my mind, I was thinking,
"You're a fucking idiot."
462
00:23:46,550 --> 00:23:48,635
"Why would you fucking do this?"
463
00:23:52,305 --> 00:23:54,015
[Flitter] It didn't make sense.
464
00:23:54,099 --> 00:23:58,728
He was sabotaging the show
and sabotaging the shoot,
465
00:23:58,812 --> 00:24:01,106
yet he wanted to be on camera.
466
00:24:01,898 --> 00:24:04,067
I think he was completely naive
467
00:24:04,151 --> 00:24:07,028
to think that he was gonna get
a spot on the show.
468
00:24:07,112 --> 00:24:08,363
[tense music plays]
469
00:24:08,447 --> 00:24:10,699
[Lucas] At that point,
I had a come-to-Jesus with Chris,
470
00:24:10,782 --> 00:24:14,578
and I told him, I said, "Listen,
if you wanna have a show at all,
471
00:24:14,661 --> 00:24:18,123
you're gonna have to fire Carl
and just get rid of him."
472
00:24:19,499 --> 00:24:22,002
Chris's reaction was,
"Don't worry about it,"
473
00:24:22,085 --> 00:24:24,379
like it was some minor infraction.
474
00:24:26,590 --> 00:24:28,467
I was gobsmacked.
475
00:24:28,967 --> 00:24:32,888
It's kind of surprising that Chris
isn't beating the fuck out of Carl.
476
00:24:33,472 --> 00:24:34,931
I mean, it was just…
477
00:24:35,474 --> 00:24:37,559
[chuckles in disbelief] It was insane.
478
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:42,355
The only explanation I could come up with
was they were lovers.
479
00:24:42,439 --> 00:24:46,943
Why else wouldn't somebody
fire this-- this person
480
00:24:47,027 --> 00:24:49,821
who was behaving so badly?
481
00:24:50,489 --> 00:24:52,365
[ominous music plays]
482
00:24:52,449 --> 00:24:54,451
After that conversation with Chris,
483
00:24:54,534 --> 00:24:58,246
I talked to the network
about how to handle Carl,
484
00:24:58,330 --> 00:25:02,667
and they decided they were going
to send him a cease-and-desist letter.
485
00:25:05,921 --> 00:25:07,881
[Theresa] Carl was given notice,
486
00:25:08,548 --> 00:25:11,092
"You have to stop talking about the show."
487
00:25:11,176 --> 00:25:14,513
"You can't ruin our cases."
"You're not-- You're not a part of it."
488
00:25:16,223 --> 00:25:18,183
Our hope was that it would stop.
489
00:25:19,309 --> 00:25:22,729
So the good side
is that the network took care of it.
490
00:25:23,939 --> 00:25:24,773
[laptop chimes]
491
00:25:25,982 --> 00:25:30,028
The bad side is
that now they're eagle eyes on the show.
492
00:25:30,111 --> 00:25:33,698
Way more stress on Lucas
to get things going.
493
00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:42,958
So after the production found out
that Carl was interfering with cases,
494
00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:44,918
something was off with Chris.
495
00:25:45,835 --> 00:25:48,255
[Chris] Sit down. Would you put
your camera down and sit down?
496
00:25:49,130 --> 00:25:52,050
It felt like
he wasn't connected to any of us.
497
00:25:52,133 --> 00:25:54,970
We didn't understand
when he was there and wasn't there,
498
00:25:55,053 --> 00:25:58,431
and it just seemed like
he was doing his own thing.
499
00:25:58,515 --> 00:26:00,100
[women conversing and laughing]
500
00:26:00,183 --> 00:26:02,269
[ominous piano music plays]
501
00:26:02,352 --> 00:26:04,646
Clearly, he had other things
that were happening
502
00:26:04,729 --> 00:26:06,565
that were taking precedence.
503
00:26:08,483 --> 00:26:09,317
[music fades]
504
00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:12,153
[Peter] After our initial meeting,
Lucas told me,
505
00:26:12,237 --> 00:26:14,281
"I know who sent you that email."
506
00:26:14,364 --> 00:26:18,451
"Carl Marino
who has been sabotaging the cases."
507
00:26:18,535 --> 00:26:19,869
[intriguing music plays]
508
00:26:19,953 --> 00:26:22,038
Lucas said Carl was out of the picture.
509
00:26:24,624 --> 00:26:25,917
[computer chimes]
510
00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:29,129
But, apparently,
he still had more secrets to tell me.
511
00:26:29,212 --> 00:26:30,463
[music intensifies]
512
00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:33,049
"I am hesitant to tell you this,
513
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:35,218
but Mr. Butler is involved
514
00:26:35,302 --> 00:26:37,929
in some serious criminal activity
right now."
515
00:26:38,805 --> 00:26:41,641
"Butler is selling
large amounts of marijuana,
516
00:26:41,725 --> 00:26:45,562
along with other drugs,
prescription Xanax, and steroids
517
00:26:45,645 --> 00:26:49,524
that has been confiscated
by the Contra Costa County Task Force."
518
00:26:51,276 --> 00:26:53,903
"You see, the commander of the task force
519
00:26:53,987 --> 00:26:56,114
is taking the drugs from raids
520
00:26:56,197 --> 00:26:58,491
and giving them to Chris to move,
521
00:26:58,575 --> 00:27:02,078
and then he gives them to, well, me."
522
00:27:02,162 --> 00:27:02,996
[music softens]
523
00:27:03,079 --> 00:27:05,582
"I have not sold any and don't want to."
524
00:27:06,082 --> 00:27:10,128
"I am not a drug dealer
and do not want anything to do with this."
525
00:27:12,589 --> 00:27:16,551
This was just mind-blowing,
mind-melting information.
526
00:27:17,802 --> 00:27:20,430
You know,
this all started with me being invited
527
00:27:20,513 --> 00:27:25,477
to write a fluffy lifestyle piece
about a reality show.
528
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,521
Now I'm being brought into this,
what sounds like,
529
00:27:28,605 --> 00:27:32,275
very dangerous conspiracy
involving stolen drugs
530
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,403
and dirty cops who are putting them
back out on the street
531
00:27:35,487 --> 00:27:37,322
after they've already been confiscated.
532
00:27:37,405 --> 00:27:38,907
[dramatic music plays]
533
00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:43,119
Suddenly, this was a much bigger issue
than I felt I could share with Lucas.
534
00:27:43,203 --> 00:27:47,248
I mean, this wasn't just a staged case
for a reality television show.
535
00:27:47,332 --> 00:27:49,584
This was serious criminal activity.
536
00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:51,252
[keyboard clacking]
537
00:27:51,336 --> 00:27:53,213
So I continued to correspond with Carl
538
00:27:53,296 --> 00:27:55,465
and said to him,
"You need to go to the police."
539
00:27:56,257 --> 00:27:59,135
But he wasn't sure who he could trust
and asked me for my help.
540
00:28:01,221 --> 00:28:03,223
[dramatic music continues]
541
00:28:05,183 --> 00:28:06,351
[Daryl] My phone rang,
542
00:28:07,018 --> 00:28:09,771
and it was a journalist
by the name of Peter Crooks.
543
00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:14,859
{\an8}-And he begins to tell me about a case…
-[clapper clacks]
544
00:28:14,943 --> 00:28:18,113
{\an8}…that potentially involved
police corruption,
545
00:28:18,822 --> 00:28:20,198
and that we needed to speak
546
00:28:20,281 --> 00:28:23,243
to an individual
by the name of Carl Marino.
547
00:28:26,830 --> 00:28:27,664
[music ends]
548
00:28:29,999 --> 00:28:34,087
I arranged for him
to meet me at our DA's office after hours.
549
00:28:34,587 --> 00:28:37,632
And I said,
"Carl, tell me, why are we here?"
550
00:28:37,716 --> 00:28:38,800
[frenetic jazz music plays]
551
00:28:38,883 --> 00:28:42,512
Then, he starts talking
about Chris Butler, police corruption,
552
00:28:42,595 --> 00:28:44,973
drug dealers, a reality TV series,
553
00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:47,684
the Dr. Phil show, Peter Crooks,
554
00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:50,603
P.I. Moms, marijuana, methamphetamine.
555
00:28:50,687 --> 00:28:52,272
It was all over the place.
556
00:28:52,355 --> 00:28:55,608
-I stopped him, and I said, "Time out."
-[music ends]
557
00:28:56,192 --> 00:28:57,610
And I remember shaking my head.
558
00:28:57,694 --> 00:28:59,821
I said, "Maybe it's 'cause I'm older…"
559
00:28:59,904 --> 00:29:03,366
[snapping fingers] "…my synapses
aren't firing like everybody else's."
560
00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:05,952
But, at the time,
I didn't really understand anything,
561
00:29:06,453 --> 00:29:07,954
but that changed.
562
00:29:08,788 --> 00:29:10,874
-[thuds heavily]
-[intriguing music plays]
563
00:29:12,083 --> 00:29:14,961
A pound of weed,
plop, right on top of the table.
564
00:29:16,504 --> 00:29:19,215
Carl told me
Chris had given him the weed to sell,
565
00:29:19,299 --> 00:29:20,717
and he couldn't get out of it.
566
00:29:23,386 --> 00:29:26,556
It was obvious there was something
to the story that he was telling me,
567
00:29:26,639 --> 00:29:29,058
because I do have
the marijuana in front of me.
568
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:32,771
At that point, I knew I had a job to do.
569
00:29:32,854 --> 00:29:34,147
{\an8}[music fades]
570
00:29:35,648 --> 00:29:38,401
{\an8}My perception of reality TV is,
571
00:29:39,319 --> 00:29:41,738
I don't believe it's-- it's real life.
572
00:29:41,821 --> 00:29:43,948
I'm mostly interested in true crime.
573
00:29:44,032 --> 00:29:45,658
[ominous music plays]
574
00:29:46,493 --> 00:29:48,203
Using Carl, we were asked
575
00:29:48,286 --> 00:29:51,456
to help build a case
against Chris Butler and this corrupt cop.
576
00:29:52,624 --> 00:29:55,877
So we came up with a plan
to try and get Chris to mention drugs.
577
00:29:56,503 --> 00:29:59,255
And then we met Carl, and we wired him up.
578
00:29:59,923 --> 00:30:02,050
You're comfortable?
Everything's all right?
579
00:30:02,133 --> 00:30:04,803
[Carl] Yeah, I'm a little nervous,
but we do undercover stings,
580
00:30:04,886 --> 00:30:06,513
so it's kind of the same feeling.
581
00:30:06,596 --> 00:30:08,723
It's a little different
when I'm doing it with my boss.
582
00:30:09,808 --> 00:30:12,310
-[Robert] That'll do it. Good luck, buddy.
-[Carl] Thanks.
583
00:30:13,853 --> 00:30:15,522
[Robert] The device that Carl had
584
00:30:16,022 --> 00:30:18,441
broadcast on a frequency
that was on my police radio,
585
00:30:18,525 --> 00:30:22,403
so I could turn the channel
and listen to what was going on.
586
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:24,447
[Chris] What's happening?
587
00:30:24,531 --> 00:30:26,616
[Carl] I sold the one package that I had.
588
00:30:27,492 --> 00:30:28,743
[Chris] Whoo-hoo!
589
00:30:28,827 --> 00:30:31,371
[Carl] And the guy
wants three more packages.
590
00:30:31,454 --> 00:30:32,997
[Chris] Tell him yeah.
591
00:30:33,873 --> 00:30:35,333
[Robert] As soon as I heard that,
592
00:30:36,292 --> 00:30:39,587
I knew this was gonna end
with somebody going to jail.
593
00:30:39,671 --> 00:30:40,755
[dramatic sting]
594
00:30:41,881 --> 00:30:47,095
But very few cases in my 25 years
were like this.
595
00:30:47,595 --> 00:30:50,265
[Chris] The guy ID'd your voice.
Dude, I don't know.
596
00:30:50,348 --> 00:30:52,600
I felt like just fucking shooting myself.
597
00:30:53,685 --> 00:30:56,312
You've got to let this go
with the network,
598
00:30:56,396 --> 00:30:58,606
because the network
are ready to pull the plug.
599
00:30:58,690 --> 00:31:00,108
I'm gonna lose my fucking show.
600
00:31:00,191 --> 00:31:02,694
Then, I'll close my business
and will have nothing left.
601
00:31:02,777 --> 00:31:03,820
I don't have a career.
602
00:31:03,903 --> 00:31:06,823
I don't have movie-star good looks.
I look like this.
603
00:31:07,490 --> 00:31:09,158
I was like, "This is weird."
604
00:31:09,242 --> 00:31:13,371
To me, they're more interested
in Carl ruining the TV show
605
00:31:13,454 --> 00:31:14,831
than the drugs.
606
00:31:16,332 --> 00:31:20,211
[Chris] I understand why you did it,
because if I was in the same position,
607
00:31:20,295 --> 00:31:22,213
I probably would've done
the same fucking thing,
608
00:31:22,297 --> 00:31:24,299
but maybe I'd have thought
it out a little better.
609
00:31:25,383 --> 00:31:27,093
Don't kill the project!
610
00:31:27,176 --> 00:31:28,261
[music ends]
611
00:31:29,554 --> 00:31:30,555
[siren wailing]
612
00:31:30,638 --> 00:31:33,099
[intriguing piano music plays]
613
00:31:33,182 --> 00:31:37,520
So, initially, when we were doing
the first operation or two, uh,
614
00:31:37,604 --> 00:31:41,691
we obviously didn't tell them,
but we were looking at the TV show
615
00:31:41,774 --> 00:31:43,359
just to see everything that was going on.
616
00:31:44,319 --> 00:31:46,446
I noticed there were
a lot of, uh, police cars.
617
00:31:46,529 --> 00:31:49,699
And I thought that was strange
for being such a really calm, sleepy town.
618
00:31:51,159 --> 00:31:53,912
[Ami] It was odd to have
the local police department show up
619
00:31:53,995 --> 00:31:55,371
while we were filming.
620
00:31:55,455 --> 00:31:57,248
They were just sitting there watching.
621
00:31:58,875 --> 00:32:00,752
You got this feeling in the air
622
00:32:00,835 --> 00:32:04,964
of, like, something's not right
with this entire production at this point.
623
00:32:05,048 --> 00:32:07,091
What is happening here?
624
00:32:09,844 --> 00:32:14,641
At that point, I felt like
we were barely holding things together.
625
00:32:15,141 --> 00:32:17,143
[tense music playing]
626
00:32:17,769 --> 00:32:24,609
But we had this one case
that was our chance to save the series.
627
00:32:25,693 --> 00:32:29,822
The East Bay couple is convinced
that its teenage daughter is in danger.
628
00:32:29,906 --> 00:32:32,992
The 15-year-old
is classified as a runaway.
629
00:32:33,076 --> 00:32:35,662
-[dramatic music playing]
-A real girl really missing.
630
00:32:35,745 --> 00:32:37,789
This case really felt big.
631
00:32:37,872 --> 00:32:40,792
[newscaster] The parents woke up Monday
to find her gone,
632
00:32:40,875 --> 00:32:43,544
they say, with no warning, no provocation,
633
00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:47,674
taking only a laptop,
a few clothes, $20, and a backpack.
634
00:32:50,218 --> 00:32:53,596
[Ami] It was kind of like
a do-or-die situation at that point,
635
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,432
and Lucas was like,
"You're gonna do this."
636
00:32:56,516 --> 00:32:58,726
"You're gonna find her
and you're gonna save the show."
637
00:32:59,477 --> 00:33:03,064
[Theresa] Our resources
that were spent were big.
638
00:33:03,147 --> 00:33:08,236
There were helicopters in the air
trying to find out where she was.
639
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:10,029
[siren wailing]
640
00:33:10,113 --> 00:33:12,699
[Lucas] In terms of the TV part of things,
641
00:33:12,782 --> 00:33:16,077
it's great to have lots of leads
and follow them
642
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,496
and have lots of story to tell,
643
00:33:18,579 --> 00:33:21,249
but, ultimately, of course,
what you really wanna do
644
00:33:21,332 --> 00:33:23,793
is find the girl
and get her back to her family.
645
00:33:24,877 --> 00:33:28,006
[newscaster] Her parents have shared
what they know with detectives.
646
00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:29,382
Now, they wait.
647
00:33:29,465 --> 00:33:30,508
[music fades]
648
00:33:34,637 --> 00:33:36,347
-[phone ringing]
-[sighs]
649
00:33:36,431 --> 00:33:38,266
[Lucas] The next thing I know,
I got a call.
650
00:33:39,392 --> 00:33:42,270
And they say,
"You're not gonna fucking believe this."
651
00:33:42,854 --> 00:33:46,024
-[mysterious music playing]
-"Carl… has found the missing girl."
652
00:33:46,107 --> 00:33:48,359
[dramatic string music plays]
653
00:33:48,443 --> 00:33:51,320
-Once again, he's fucking things up.
-[elevator dings]
654
00:33:51,904 --> 00:33:53,239
[Theresa] We were angry.
655
00:33:53,322 --> 00:33:57,118
One of my producers,
I thought I had to go give her a sedative,
656
00:33:57,201 --> 00:33:58,995
because she wanted to murder him.
657
00:34:00,413 --> 00:34:03,291
[Lucas] It turned out
that Chris had initially assigned Carl
658
00:34:03,374 --> 00:34:07,211
to look for the missing girl
before handing it over to the P.I. Moms,
659
00:34:07,295 --> 00:34:11,299
but that Carl was still pursuing
the case on his own.
660
00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:15,470
And I thought that
he was basically trying to set things up
661
00:34:15,553 --> 00:34:18,806
so that he would be filmed finding her
662
00:34:18,890 --> 00:34:21,434
and reuniting her with her family.
663
00:34:22,477 --> 00:34:26,856
Carl called the police,
but he didn't let the P.I. Moms take over.
664
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:31,152
The producers told us
to meet at a certain place,
665
00:34:31,235 --> 00:34:34,530
because we believed
that the girl could be at this location.
666
00:34:34,614 --> 00:34:35,573
[music ends]
667
00:34:35,656 --> 00:34:38,910
[Ami] The first thing
I wanted to do was find Carl,
668
00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:41,412
confront him, and just, like,
have it out with him.
669
00:34:41,496 --> 00:34:42,747
[tense music plays]
670
00:34:43,498 --> 00:34:44,332
[siren wails]
671
00:34:44,415 --> 00:34:47,794
-[Lucas] When I got down there, it was…
-[people shouting indistinctly]
672
00:34:47,877 --> 00:34:49,796
…a clusterfuck of the highest order.
673
00:34:49,879 --> 00:34:51,422
-[dramatic music plays]
-[sirens wailing]
674
00:34:51,506 --> 00:34:54,092
There were red and blue
flashing lights everywhere.
675
00:34:54,175 --> 00:34:57,970
People were screaming at each other,
and the crew was yelling,
676
00:34:58,471 --> 00:35:00,932
and the missing girl wasn't even there.
677
00:35:02,433 --> 00:35:06,854
But, lo and behold, there was Carl,
like, in the middle of all of that.
678
00:35:06,938 --> 00:35:09,690
He was determined,
come hell or high water,
679
00:35:09,774 --> 00:35:11,734
to have his 15 minutes of fame.
680
00:35:13,444 --> 00:35:16,239
In my mind, I was thinking,
"You're so selfish,"
681
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:19,242
because Carl knew where she was
682
00:35:19,325 --> 00:35:23,162
and didn't share it with anybody
until it would benefit him.
683
00:35:23,246 --> 00:35:24,163
[people shouting]
684
00:35:24,247 --> 00:35:28,584
I mean, how fucking dumb are you
to think they're really gonna push us out,
685
00:35:28,668 --> 00:35:30,878
and then you're gonna be
the star of the show?
686
00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:33,673
Who the fuck do you think you are?
687
00:35:35,967 --> 00:35:38,136
[Denise] I didn't want this
to be like a Real Housewives,
688
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,139
and this has become worse
than a Real Housewives.
689
00:35:41,222 --> 00:35:42,056
[music fading]
690
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:44,100
Crazy chaos and people fighting.
691
00:35:45,017 --> 00:35:46,936
How did we get to this place?
692
00:35:52,483 --> 00:35:54,485
[suspenseful music plays]
693
00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:58,072
[Lucas] Almost immediately,
the network called me for a crisis call.
694
00:35:58,573 --> 00:36:04,120
At that point, they had invested hundreds
of thousands of dollars in the show,
695
00:36:04,954 --> 00:36:07,123
and they were furious.
696
00:36:10,084 --> 00:36:14,505
We were told
that if anything else went south,
697
00:36:16,007 --> 00:36:17,300
they would pull the plug.
698
00:36:21,179 --> 00:36:24,724
[Chris] Now,
what we're talking about is the crystal.
699
00:36:24,807 --> 00:36:25,933
We're ready now.
700
00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:28,019
He wants the sample, right?
701
00:36:28,102 --> 00:36:30,062
[Carl] If he likes it,
he'll buy it today.
702
00:36:30,146 --> 00:36:32,523
[Robert] Right after
the missing juvenile case,
703
00:36:32,607 --> 00:36:37,904
we heard Chris mention that he had
three pounds of methamphetamine for sale.
704
00:36:37,987 --> 00:36:39,572
That pushed it over
the edge for us.
705
00:36:39,655 --> 00:36:42,575
We knew then that
this needed to stop.
706
00:36:42,658 --> 00:36:44,160
[music intensifies]
707
00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:47,371
[Robert]
The next thing we needed to do
708
00:36:47,455 --> 00:36:52,585
was arrange a-- a buy between
the corrupt cop, Chris, and Carl.
709
00:36:54,337 --> 00:36:56,714
We met with Carl,
we wired him up,
710
00:36:57,465 --> 00:36:59,300
provided him with $10,000 cash,
711
00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:04,805
...and instructed him to go to
the P.I. firm to meet Chris.
712
00:37:05,431 --> 00:37:06,766
[music ends]
713
00:37:09,185 --> 00:37:10,478
[Carl] What's up?
714
00:37:10,561 --> 00:37:13,397
[Chris] Okay, come on back here.
Let's see that salad.
715
00:37:14,190 --> 00:37:15,816
Holy… [bleep] This is a lot!
716
00:37:15,900 --> 00:37:17,193
[tense music plays]
717
00:37:17,276 --> 00:37:20,154
[Robert] That moment
when Chris took the money from Carl
718
00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:21,739
and was counting it out…
719
00:37:22,698 --> 00:37:24,784
[Chris] One pound, one ounce.
720
00:37:25,868 --> 00:37:28,621
…and the methamphetamine
was essentially given to Carl…
721
00:37:29,205 --> 00:37:31,749
[Chris] Let me get rid of this
as quick as I can.
722
00:37:31,832 --> 00:37:33,542
[music intensifies]
723
00:37:33,626 --> 00:37:35,670
Once that happens, it's game over.
724
00:37:35,753 --> 00:37:37,088
-We got you.
-[music fades]
725
00:37:38,047 --> 00:37:38,965
[theme music plays]
726
00:37:39,048 --> 00:37:40,633
[newscaster]
A private investigator,
727
00:37:40,716 --> 00:37:43,761
connected to a police corruption scandal,
cut a deal.
728
00:37:43,844 --> 00:37:45,554
[reporter]
Think you did anything wrong?
729
00:37:45,638 --> 00:37:47,640
[newscaster]
Facing seven felony charges,
730
00:37:47,723 --> 00:37:51,227
a lot of damning evidence,
and a possible life sentence,
731
00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:53,896
Chris Butler decided to take a plea deal.
732
00:37:54,563 --> 00:37:57,733
-Holy shit! What just happened?
-[ominous music plays]
733
00:37:57,817 --> 00:38:01,779
Chris just got arrested
for selling drugs.
734
00:38:01,862 --> 00:38:03,781
[chuckling in disbelief] I was just…
735
00:38:03,864 --> 00:38:04,907
I was floored.
736
00:38:06,492 --> 00:38:10,788
[Denise] I was at home when I learned
that Chris Butler had been arrested.
737
00:38:10,871 --> 00:38:13,666
[sputtering] I couldn't believe
that that was happening.
738
00:38:13,749 --> 00:38:15,042
Chris was my friend,
739
00:38:15,126 --> 00:38:18,254
and so seeing him on TV
in, like, the jumpsuits and stuff,
740
00:38:18,337 --> 00:38:21,215
...it was, like--
it was very sad, it was very scary.
741
00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:23,134
[man speaking indistinctly over phone]
742
00:38:23,217 --> 00:38:26,220
[Lucas] I got a phone call that
Chris Butler had been arrested,
743
00:38:26,304 --> 00:38:27,513
...and that was it.
744
00:38:27,596 --> 00:38:30,099
The network was like,
"You know what, fuck it."
745
00:38:31,058 --> 00:38:31,976
"We're done."
746
00:38:32,893 --> 00:38:33,853
[music fades]
747
00:38:37,690 --> 00:38:40,818
I gathered everybody
back at the production office,
748
00:38:40,901 --> 00:38:42,862
the crew, the moms,
749
00:38:42,945 --> 00:38:46,282
...and I… I broke the news.
750
00:38:47,241 --> 00:38:48,659
[morose music plays]
751
00:38:48,743 --> 00:38:53,289
I was crying through
that whole speech.
752
00:38:59,587 --> 00:39:01,088
I just felt terrible
753
00:39:01,922 --> 00:39:05,718
that, you know, I put them through
everything that I put them through…
754
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:08,679
for nothing.
755
00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:17,229
[Denise] Chris and Carl
just took it away from everybody.
756
00:39:17,772 --> 00:39:21,942
They put their desires
above everybody else's,
757
00:39:22,026 --> 00:39:25,654
and, like, so many people
were affected by that show.
758
00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:29,742
And I know for a lot of people,
they're like, "It's just a show."
759
00:39:29,825 --> 00:39:32,828
But it was a show that we were
really passionate about,
760
00:39:32,912 --> 00:39:34,413
sharing our stories
761
00:39:34,497 --> 00:39:37,083
and empowering other women
to do this kind of work.
762
00:39:37,166 --> 00:39:39,668
And then it was gone.
It was taken away from us.
763
00:39:41,837 --> 00:39:43,631
[talking indistinctly]
764
00:39:43,714 --> 00:39:45,674
[Ami] When our show was canceled,
765
00:39:45,758 --> 00:39:49,637
that opportunity that I had
of me sharing my story was taken away.
766
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,597
-[inaudible]
-[tattoo machine buzzing]
767
00:39:52,848 --> 00:39:57,103
So that was another reason
why I was so disappointed,
768
00:39:57,186 --> 00:40:02,149
was because I opened up,
and I shared so much for the first time,
769
00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:05,528
and who knows who
I could have touched
770
00:40:05,611 --> 00:40:11,534
if my story got out,
and I shared all of this with the world.
771
00:40:11,617 --> 00:40:13,619
[Ami talking indistinctly]
772
00:40:15,746 --> 00:40:18,791
He doesn't realize
what he took personally from me.
773
00:40:19,542 --> 00:40:21,752
[sighs deeply]
774
00:40:23,087 --> 00:40:26,006
[reporter] Chris,
got any reality TV ideas?
775
00:40:26,090 --> 00:40:27,258
[Chris] Sorry, excuse me.
776
00:40:28,342 --> 00:40:30,344
[intriguing music plays]
777
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,520
After the damning information
came out about Chris Butler,
778
00:40:39,603 --> 00:40:42,106
I worked straight
through a weekend
779
00:40:42,189 --> 00:40:44,066
and wrote a 10,000-word piece.
780
00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:48,988
The news coverage was instant,
781
00:40:49,071 --> 00:40:52,199
and it gave Carl the dynamite
to blow up the building.
782
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:56,412
I've always been that type of person
who's always wanted to-- to, uh,
783
00:40:56,495 --> 00:40:58,330
you know, to serve, to help people.
784
00:40:58,414 --> 00:40:59,582
I had no idea what it was,
785
00:40:59,665 --> 00:41:01,750
how I was gonna do it,
when I was gonna do it.
786
00:41:01,834 --> 00:41:04,712
Knowing where the drugs came from,
I knew something had to be done.
787
00:41:04,795 --> 00:41:07,923
[Lucas] I was just like,
"Oh, now, I get it."
788
00:41:08,007 --> 00:41:09,800
"Now, I understand."
789
00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:11,594
I thought they were lovers,
790
00:41:11,677 --> 00:41:15,681
and then, I finally saw all the leverage
that Carl had over Chris
791
00:41:15,764 --> 00:41:17,766
because of the illegal activity.
792
00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:20,895
Ah my God, I get it.
793
00:41:22,605 --> 00:41:24,356
[Ami] Despite everything Carl did,
794
00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,734
he was basically hailed as a hero
795
00:41:27,234 --> 00:41:29,695
because he rolled on them
and then went undercover,
796
00:41:29,778 --> 00:41:31,739
and that was Carl's big moment.
797
00:41:31,822 --> 00:41:35,242
If you had not stepped forward,
who knows how far this would've gone?
798
00:41:35,326 --> 00:41:37,161
Maybe it would've turned into
a murder case.
799
00:41:37,244 --> 00:41:42,917
But the moms, we were just all attacked
and made fun of and embarrassed.
800
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:47,046
You say these women had visions of being
on the red carpet with the Kardashians?
801
00:41:47,129 --> 00:41:49,048
I think everybody involved here
802
00:41:49,131 --> 00:41:53,219
had visions that they were gonna be on,
you know, Access Hollywood every night
803
00:41:53,302 --> 00:41:54,929
...and making a million dollars.
804
00:41:55,638 --> 00:41:58,724
[Flitter] The P.I. Moms took
a lot of that heat
805
00:41:58,807 --> 00:42:02,186
because of the fact
that their name was the show.
806
00:42:02,269 --> 00:42:05,856
It wasn't the Chris Butler show.
And it wasn't the Carl Marino show.
807
00:42:06,565 --> 00:42:07,942
It was the
P.I. Moms show.
808
00:42:08,025 --> 00:42:11,403
So I think there may
have been an assumption
809
00:42:11,487 --> 00:42:14,949
that the P.I. Moms
were involved in the whole setup,
810
00:42:15,032 --> 00:42:17,952
and that couldn't have been
further from the truth.
811
00:42:18,035 --> 00:42:18,869
[music fades]
812
00:42:18,953 --> 00:42:23,916
People were calling us frauds and fake,
and drug dealers, and all sorts of things,
813
00:42:23,999 --> 00:42:26,210
and we didn't get
to say anything about it.
814
00:42:26,293 --> 00:42:27,878
[tense music plays]
815
00:42:27,962 --> 00:42:30,548
But Carl's 15 minutes of fame
seemed to continue on
816
00:42:30,631 --> 00:42:32,716
when he became a regular
on some TV show.
817
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:36,011
Yes, this is Lt. Kenda from
Colorado Springs Police Department.
818
00:42:36,512 --> 00:42:38,097
I'm working a homicide…
819
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:41,141
-[intriguing music plays]
[Lucas] Having made a lot of reality TV,
820
00:42:41,225 --> 00:42:43,310
there is a certain type of person
821
00:42:43,394 --> 00:42:48,732
who has some kind of emotional hole
822
00:42:49,525 --> 00:42:51,151
in the center of their psyche,
823
00:42:52,444 --> 00:42:55,030
and they really feel
824
00:42:55,114 --> 00:43:00,578
that, like, the adulation of fans
is gonna fill that hole.
825
00:43:01,453 --> 00:43:04,665
{\an8}And I think that maybe
that's what happened with Carl.
826
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,255
You would hope somebody in your group,
the success that he had with that show,
827
00:43:11,338 --> 00:43:13,048
you'd want to cheer them on,
828
00:43:13,132 --> 00:43:15,384
but the fact of how he got there,
829
00:43:15,467 --> 00:43:17,344
...can't do it. [chuckles]
830
00:43:17,428 --> 00:43:18,387
Can't do it.
831
00:43:18,887 --> 00:43:20,806
-[producer] Was he any good in it?
-No.
832
00:43:20,889 --> 00:43:21,890
[chuckles]
833
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,977
He ruined us and became
the center of attention.
834
00:43:27,479 --> 00:43:28,606
He got what he wanted.
835
00:43:30,149 --> 00:43:31,025
[music fades]
836
00:43:31,108 --> 00:43:33,902
[producer] Let's hold for two minutes.
I'm just gonna pop out.
837
00:43:33,986 --> 00:43:34,987
Everyone stay there.
838
00:43:36,238 --> 00:43:38,574
-Please do not bring Carl in here.
-[man] No!
839
00:43:38,657 --> 00:43:40,909
[all chuckling and laughing]
840
00:43:40,993 --> 00:43:43,370
I will sock that motherfucker.
[chuckles]
841
00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:44,788
[mellow jazz music plays]
842
00:44:11,815 --> 00:44:13,150
[music fades]