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Scene one, take one.
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I'm Quincy Jones. Do I look--?
We're facing here or here?
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-No, you always face here.
-Always facing-- Okay.
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Oh, man.
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If we'd stayed in Chicago,
we'd have been gone.
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Because nobody gets out hardly.
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There's 635. Wait a minute now.
Yeah, it looks so big.
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Quincy Delight Jones.
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Yeah, I remember that sucker.
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-See, that's old, isn't it?
-Yes.
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He was a guy that you
automatically liked, as a kid.
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-Can I have your autograph?
-Yeah, well, I'll sign a couple of them.
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Of course, that infectious smile he has.
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He just smiles and everything's all right.
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Got lucky. Here, turned
my pockets inside out.
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You know, I used to live here
when I was 6 years old.
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My mother always kept me abreast on--
His name was real familiar.
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-How old are you, honey?
-Five.
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-Five?
-Three.
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That's sweet.
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His name was always
an outstanding point in music.
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Quincy Jones was kind
of like untouchable.
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I've met people in this business, giants.
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Like Quincy, I mean, he was the first person
who made me feel like he wasn't a giant...
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...like, "I'm just one of your home boys"
and stuff.
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If Quincy got off the plane in Chicago,
he'd head for the South Side.
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-Hey, man, what's happening?
-Mr. T. Mr. T.
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- I was born here.
- I was born down the street.
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-Fifty years, man.
-Mr. T. Mr. T.
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-Unbelievable.
-I'll see you.
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Okay.
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The more I hang around him,
he tells me stories about 52nd Street...
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...and the guys
that he's come in contact with.
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Duke Ellington and things like that.
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Not only that, but he's a big
inspiration to my musical life.
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What he was like then?
He was very...
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-Quincy, in 1948, was skinny, nosy...
-Curious about music.
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He out-questioned anybody.
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"How do you do this?"
"How's this and how's that?"
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-How long have you lived here?
-Thirty-five years.
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Yeah, I left 46 years ago.
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He was just like a friend, someone that
you knew, and had known all along.
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He had a pretty interesting life
so far, from what I gather.
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Basically, it's a lot that's just
blanked out, you know?
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That I've just totally blanked out,
and just...
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...preferred not to see.
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I'm Lloyd Jones, Quincy's brother.
Younger brother.
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But you have to understand it,
that what happened at 6 and 7...
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...is....
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What happened at 6 and 7...
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I used to cry a lot.
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I can remember standing up...
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...with both hands on the edge
of this baby crib, crying...
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...and I'd look down in the crib,
and Quincy is sound asleep.
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Lloyd and I were in bed one night.
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We had slept a little bit.
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And the thunder woke us.
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The lightning came down
and crashed through the window.
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Crashed through the window.
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Rain came pouring down
right after the thunder and the lightning...
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...and we caught that.
We were terrified. It just came down.
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We saw the shade start to make
noise against the window.
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And the shade kept flapping.
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We realized that we were home alone...
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...and we freaked.
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Nobody was there, you know,
there was nobody there.
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! didn't spend a lot of time
with my father.
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He worked hard.
He worked real hard.
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He--
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Sometimes it's hard to talk to
him but then once I--
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-Of course, he's our father.
-Once I say what I wanna say, he's fine.
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Like, I couldn't really talk to him for a while
because I never see him.
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Yeah.
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He was working a lot.
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I'd just be like, "Hi, Daddy,
I love you. Bye, Daddy."
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There's nobody there...
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...for the things you
wanted to ask about life
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...or "How you doing?"
That stuff.
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-So Lucy used to live here?
-There.
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Right-- Oh, the next door here?
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-We like your music.
-Thank you. Nice to meet you.
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Nice meeting you.
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Living in Chicago...
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...5 or 6 years old, and a lady--
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A teenage girl next door
used to play her buns off.
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Just one second, I'll be right back.
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She played stride piano.
It was the first live music I'd heard.
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Hey, baby.
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They had a baby grand piano--
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-So glad to see you.
- Me too, honey.
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--but their mother didn't want them
to play the piano.
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Why didn't she want me to play?
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She thought music would deter you
or would do something to you.
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Jesus Christ.
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I can't put it all together.
I remember that though.
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I don't know about Chicago.
He's told me about it...
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...and in all fairness,
I wouldn't wanna say anything.
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It was strange because she just
disappeared from my life at 6 or 7.
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And I never will forget.
They wanted to know, "Why, Lucy?"
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I had no answers.
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The children always thought that
their parents were going to be there.
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My mother was sick.
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And she was away.
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I remember going out
with my daddy and Lloyd.
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See, we used to go out to see her.
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She was at place called
Manteno State Hospital.
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And it was a...
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It was a mental hospital.
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In the film, In Cold Blood, Richard Brooks
wanted the kind of music...
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...that a mother would sing to you...
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...if a mother sang to you, as a child.
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And so you have to filter that demand...
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...from the film
through your own psyche.
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The word "mother” doesn't mean
too much to me except what I acquired.
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I have an understanding of it now because
I have children and I know what it's about.
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But in terms of my life,
it doesn't have a meaning for me.
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In the sense that what "mother--"
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What she is as a human being
and everything else.
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But a relationship, I don't have that.
I don't know what it is, you know?
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But I know [ lost something.
And I know there's a hole there.
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I'm looking for that thing--
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--That you keep trying to fill up.
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Lucy's sounds stuck in my mind...
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...and I guess about at 12 years old,
I got interested, I got stuck.
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When I look back and I think about
the Clark Terrys.
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-Clark Terry.
-And Bobby Tuckers.
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-I'm Bobby Tucker.
-I used to watch his fingers play piano.
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-Billy Eckstine.
-Billy Eckstine singing his brains out.
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He liked Dizzy Gillespie's band.
I happen to love Dizzy Gillespie's band too.
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Very good band.
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Duke Ellington records, that's when I first
started to realize that there was this...
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...great thing happening.
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Say who [ am?
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Oh, bay, that's interesting.
I've never had to do that.
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This is a first for me.
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All right, now back that up.
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And you can do anything
you want with it right here.
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I'm Ray Charles...
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...and what else can I say?
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I'm gonna make
three or four of these...
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...and then we'll go to the next section.
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All right, baby.
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One more time. One more--
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You could pick it up with saying,
"You said, we've been together."
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Okay, okay.
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I would hate to break up,
break up my happy home.
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Of all these things life has...
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There's something I wanted to tell you,
though. And it left me.
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His childhood?
I don't know anything about that.
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He's never asked me about mine.
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Lord have mercy.
That's Elvira's house.
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Just hold it just a second.
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It all started right here, with her.
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Daddy had took Lloyd and I
to one of Joe Louis' fights.
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That is unbelievable.
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And Joe Louis gave us the boxing gloves
that he won with.
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Raymond, my stepbrother,
lived down the street...
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...and he had a BB gun,
and I really wanted it bad.
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So I said, "I'll trade you
these boxing gloves...
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...that Joe Louis gave me
for this BB gun."
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! went home, and my daddy was mad
that I gave Joe Louis' gloves away.
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He went back to retrieve the gloves,
and when he came back...
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...he was in love with Raymond's mother,
Elvira, who was later to be my stepmother.
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Our stepmother, most of the time,
referred to us as "Jones' kids."
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Yeah, he did the best he could.
He was just a real sad dude with women.
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Boy.
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The women in my life, at that time,
didn't work too well.
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With the stepmother--
Her kids, kept telling me...
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...that "Your mother's
really messed up, you know?
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And if she gets out,
she's gonna kill you guys.”
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That's all we heard,
we were conditioned.
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You start to see it.
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You know, my imagination always
was out of control.
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And so I started to picture it...
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...picture her and associate the picture
of her with a death threat.
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When she got out one time, she came,
and we saw her running to us to hug us.
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And we screamed and we freaked. We ran
about seven blocks, we were so afraid.
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That's the last time I saw her,
until I was 15.
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And so, emotionally, you say,
“Well, I can't depend on a mother...
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...I don't have.
So / don't need one."”
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I'm sure that affected my relationship with--
A lot of problems with women later.
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On the way to school one day,
we stopped and we saw this guy hanging...
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...by the back of his coat
on the first rung of a telephone pole...
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...with an ice pick
stuck through his neck.
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We checked that out, you know,
kept right on to school.
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Out of Chicago for 10 years, nothing was
gonna surprise you. You see everything.
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He never talked about the violence
or anything about his background.
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I knew no more about Quincy...
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...when we finished working together on
The Pawnbroker than when we met.
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I knew that there must be an enormous
amount of violence in his life some place.
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Whether it had happened to him
or his imagination...
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... have no way of knowing.
But, boy, is it there in that score.
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Some drunk white guy came over
to Raymond's school one day...
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...and I had to be 5 years old.
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And he starts harassing him, naturally,
calling him all these names and stuff.
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The big N, all that stuff,
and I knew he was crazy then.
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He went in,
out to the basketball place.
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Pushed the dudes around
and it was over.
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Then they decked him
and kicked his ass, you know?
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Then they went and found two sheets...
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...and tied the sheets around his legs.
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There used to be a little call around Chicago
that said:
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It's like a call from street to street.
The alleys had cobblestones on the ground.
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People throw whiskey bottles,
what-all kind of bottles out there.
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And there's a man that comes through
there 16 times a day.
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Rags and old iron man,
selling rags and old iron.
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And he's got this raggedy wagon
with a horse, big iron horseshoes on it...
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...and great, big metal iron grilles,
probably that wide, you know?
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"Rags and old iron."
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Every day he comes through there,
for years.
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And so these bottles that are out there
are just ground down...
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...until they're just pulverized
like powder.
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So these guys got the dude face first,
down like that, you know.
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After they had beat him up, they
took the sheets over their shoulders.
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They just had this
little kind of rhythmic lope...
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...and just dragged from State Street
and they got to Martin Luther King Drive...
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...dropped the rags and kept on going.
Didn't miss a beat.
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This guy's face was ground
from here to here, you know?
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Through the cobblestones
and the pulverized glass.
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It's like being in the jungle
but no trees and no grass.
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Everything is just iron and concrete.
And it's like-- Just living out there, it's like--
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You living like every day is the first day
and the last day.
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If we stayed in Chicago,
we would've be gone.
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The greatest contribution
that my dad made...
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...it was getting us out of Chicago.
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Nobody gets out hardly.
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When we moved to Seattle,
in Bremerton...
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...you think,
“You gotta protect yourself."
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You carried little switch blades
and everything else, you know?
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Totally unnecessary, because that's
a totally different kind of culture.
232
00:20:02,601 --> 00:20:05,593
Living in Bremerton,
we had just one bedroom...
233
00:20:05,771 --> 00:20:09,002
...a living space and a kitchen.
234
00:20:09,175 --> 00:20:12,406
-Ten people lived in two rooms--
-My father and stepmother...
235
00:20:12,578 --> 00:20:14,740
Elvira, Lloyd,
Katherine, my stepsister...
236
00:20:14,914 --> 00:20:17,747
...and Margie, who's my half sister.
Willie Lee, Theresa.
237
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Janet my half sister,
Richard, half brother.
238
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Raymond, Lloyd, Theresa, five.
Then six, Margie was born in there too.
239
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Was it six? I can't keep up
with my daddy.
240
00:20:27,093 --> 00:20:28,857
My daddy did the best he could.
241
00:20:29,028 --> 00:20:32,054
He encouraged whatever I was into
because there were so many kids...
242
00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:36,532
...and I wanted a music book in Bremerton.
It cost a dollar or 98 cents or something.
243
00:20:36,702 --> 00:20:38,192
He would sneak the money to me.
244
00:20:38,370 --> 00:20:40,464
He didn't have enough to give
to everybody.
245
00:20:40,639 --> 00:20:42,334
And...
246
00:20:43,476 --> 00:20:45,342
He was beautiful.
247
00:20:46,212 --> 00:20:49,443
As far as the kids were concerned,
we all got along.
248
00:20:49,615 --> 00:20:54,485
It was the parent-child situation
that didn't seem to work.
249
00:20:54,653 --> 00:20:56,587
There was one little closet
in the house.
250
00:20:56,756 --> 00:21:01,353
We used to spend most of our nights in
that closet, doing everything.
251
00:21:01,527 --> 00:21:05,930
Now, if you want to be alone, you got mad
at somebody or wanted to pout...
252
00:21:06,098 --> 00:21:09,466
I used to just dream
and just escape it all.
253
00:21:19,178 --> 00:21:20,907
...the closet was always there.
254
00:21:27,386 --> 00:21:32,881
To get out of whatever was distasteful
or unpleasant or uncomfortable or painful...
255
00:21:33,459 --> 00:21:35,120
...music could always soothe that.
256
00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:39,094
You can just crawl in that world
and reach in that black hole...
257
00:21:39,732 --> 00:21:41,894
...grab something beautiful,
it'd take you away.
258
00:21:42,067 --> 00:21:45,662
Definitely music, it, like,
just put my thoughts to another level...
259
00:21:45,838 --> 00:21:50,332
...because other than that, I'd probably
rob a bank and get killed on the way out.
260
00:21:50,543 --> 00:21:54,912
I was about 14 the first time I went to jail.
And boy, that process was not fun.
261
00:21:55,080 --> 00:22:00,075
The cops stopped us. They saw five black
dudes in the city and they pulled us over.
262
00:22:00,252 --> 00:22:03,882
They smelled the stuff in the car and
we were headlines on the Bremerton Sun.
263
00:22:04,056 --> 00:22:06,423
It's exciting for the movies,
but for real life...
264
00:22:06,592 --> 00:22:10,119
...you'd rather end the story cooling out
in the Bahamas with a piña colada...
265
00:22:10,296 --> 00:22:12,924
...and girls in bikinis
or something like that.
266
00:22:13,098 --> 00:22:15,692
He told me the other day,
"Man, anybody in this room--"
267
00:22:15,868 --> 00:22:19,463
It was me, Melle Mel, Kane, he said,
"Any of us in this room, man...
268
00:22:19,638 --> 00:22:23,097
...20 seconds in the other direction,
we'd have been in the penitentiary."
269
00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:25,835
Every time, I'd always try
to go to the wrong side...
270
00:22:26,011 --> 00:22:28,241
...that's what's in my head,
this is your life.
271
00:23:05,017 --> 00:23:07,008
You don't know the Dude?
Quincy's his name
272
00:23:07,186 --> 00:23:09,382
Once music grabbed my mind...
273
00:23:09,555 --> 00:23:12,047
... didn't wanna blow my energy
on that dumb stuff.
274
00:23:12,224 --> 00:23:13,817
Fingerprints and all that stuff.
275
00:23:18,664 --> 00:23:22,123
I remember the day he found
this French horn.
276
00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:24,699
Quincy heard jazz, wanted to know
how to write it.
277
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:27,805
"I'm Quincy Jones and I play trumpet.”
278
00:23:27,973 --> 00:23:29,998
"I don't know
where the French horn came from."
279
00:23:30,175 --> 00:23:32,007
"I'd like to take some lessons from you."
280
00:23:32,177 --> 00:23:35,875
He asked me to show him how to do--
How to write this or how to write that.
281
00:23:36,048 --> 00:23:38,608
So he said, "But the only time
I could do it would be...
282
00:23:38,784 --> 00:23:41,617
...before I go to school in the morning."
"What time is that?"
283
00:23:41,787 --> 00:23:44,222
He said, "Like, about 6, 6:30."
284
00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:47,919
We just sort of clicked, as they say...
285
00:23:48,093 --> 00:23:51,552
...and he'd come over to my house about
9:00 in the morning.
286
00:23:51,764 --> 00:23:53,732
Let me in, teach me how to do it.
287
00:23:53,899 --> 00:23:56,561
-Wake me up.
-Here come the phone rings:
288
00:23:56,735 --> 00:23:58,726
"Hello."
"Hi, this is Quincy Jones."
289
00:23:58,904 --> 00:24:00,998
When I played higher notes,
my lip would bleed...
290
00:24:01,173 --> 00:24:05,110
...and Clark helped me get my embouchure
here so it would have more reinforcement.
291
00:24:05,277 --> 00:24:07,939
Stressed the importance of posture
so that you could...
292
00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:09,706
Tell him how to voice that.
293
00:24:09,882 --> 00:24:11,441
...have a firm body.
294
00:24:11,617 --> 00:24:14,245
Both hands on this thing and he was--
295
00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:15,615
He really developed that.
296
00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:21,659
You know, struggling to get some sound
out of it, and from that moment on...
297
00:24:21,827 --> 00:24:22,817
...it's been music.
298
00:24:30,069 --> 00:24:32,401
-You want to hear that?
-Yeah, let me hear it.
299
00:24:32,571 --> 00:24:34,437
Let's go to the audio tape.
300
00:24:34,606 --> 00:24:36,574
Right. Let's go to the audio tape.
301
00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:41,105
That's Melle Mel. What are you doing
sitting next to Quincy Jones?
302
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,841
He ain't supposed to be there. He's a Negro.
Quincy thinks highly of you.
303
00:24:45,050 --> 00:24:47,917
He made me feel like the star.
Like the new kid on the block.
304
00:24:48,087 --> 00:24:50,784
Yo, Mr. Jones, I remember
that jam you made:
305
00:24:52,691 --> 00:24:54,523
He said to me,
"Look, you're young...
306
00:24:54,693 --> 00:24:56,923
-"You can do it.
-...this is your world.
307
00:24:57,096 --> 00:24:58,086
I'm just like you."
308
00:24:58,263 --> 00:24:59,389
Go for yours."
309
00:24:59,565 --> 00:25:02,535
Yeah, boy. That was the jam.
You know with:
310
00:25:05,804 --> 00:25:07,863
It made me start thinking
highly of myself.
311
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,408
All that, back in the day,
taught me a lot today.
312
00:25:12,111 --> 00:25:16,105
My name is Flavor Flav. I'm with
the rap group Public Enemy.
313
00:25:16,281 --> 00:25:17,874
-Hi, I'm Kool Moe Dee.
-I'm Ice-T.
314
00:25:18,050 --> 00:25:19,540
Hi, I'm Al B. Sure!
315
00:25:19,718 --> 00:25:23,382
The B-1-G D-A-D-D-Y K-A-N-E, or
The Big Daddy Kane.
316
00:25:23,555 --> 00:25:26,616
You all wanted me to introduce myself,
so you got it.
317
00:26:05,497 --> 00:26:09,866
I just wanted to pass on some words
of wisdom from the Dude.
318
00:26:10,469 --> 00:26:12,460
It's very important.
319
00:26:12,671 --> 00:26:16,471
I want you to remember to be strong.
Can you hear me?
320
00:26:16,642 --> 00:26:20,135
Listen to me now. Because we are going
to get through these times.
321
00:26:20,446 --> 00:26:24,212
! want you to be creative.
!/ want you to stay beautiful.
322
00:26:24,383 --> 00:26:26,875
!/ want you to love and respect
yourselves.
323
00:26:27,653 --> 00:26:29,644
I want you to take care of your minds.
324
00:26:29,822 --> 00:26:32,689
And I want you to take care
of your bodies.
325
00:26:32,858 --> 00:26:34,849
If you don't take care
of your own body...
326
00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:38,327
...how you gonna take care
of somebody else's body. I love you.
327
00:26:38,497 --> 00:26:41,057
! suppose ! would sum up
his philosophy this way.
328
00:26:41,233 --> 00:26:45,693
The only justification
for looking down on anyone...
329
00:26:45,871 --> 00:26:48,841
...is that you're going to stop
and pick them up.
330
00:26:49,007 --> 00:26:51,942
You know what time it is.
You just was a smart man.
331
00:26:52,111 --> 00:26:54,546
Got into your music.
And I could do that too.
332
00:26:54,713 --> 00:26:56,579
Let's face it.
That's what time it is.
333
00:26:56,748 --> 00:26:59,649
People would think that everything
basically came easy to him.
334
00:26:59,818 --> 00:27:01,513
-Oh, Lord.
-That's one person...
335
00:27:01,687 --> 00:27:05,089
...that accumulated a lot of wealth
and don't have his nose in the air...
336
00:27:05,257 --> 00:27:07,487
...thinking he's too good for people.
337
00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:10,119
-When I was 11...
-Melle, do one more?
338
00:27:10,295 --> 00:27:12,491
...I was really ready to work.
339
00:27:12,664 --> 00:27:15,429
I got a job pressing clothes,
steam pressing.
340
00:27:16,235 --> 00:27:19,933
And he'd say, "Go pick up the clothes."
And I used to watch him press, you know.
341
00:27:20,105 --> 00:27:21,231
I said, "I can do that."
342
00:27:26,111 --> 00:27:29,513
! used to shine shoes
! used to shine shoes for pimps.
343
00:27:30,883 --> 00:27:36,754
Take bleach with the toothbrush and go
real easy around the side of the shoes.
344
00:27:36,922 --> 00:27:38,947
The pimps loved the way
I used to do that.
345
00:27:42,094 --> 00:27:43,755
I'm impatient with my children...
346
00:27:43,929 --> 00:27:47,797
...because they are still saying, "I'm not
sure, I don't know what I wanna do."
347
00:27:47,966 --> 00:27:52,130
And that's not fair, because, you know,
I knew so early.
348
00:27:52,304 --> 00:27:54,864
I was lucky, I guess.
But, you know, in a way I was...
349
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,136
-...I was forced to...
-He's been in the fast lane since day one.
350
00:27:59,311 --> 00:28:00,801
...to think like that, I guess.
351
00:28:00,979 --> 00:28:03,311
Yo, Quincy, man, we in the house.
352
00:28:03,482 --> 00:28:08,147
Telling me, boy, if I record for you, boy,
you're gonna make billions.
353
00:28:09,087 --> 00:28:11,886
Basically, all we wanted to do
is just become good.
354
00:28:12,057 --> 00:28:15,254
It wasn't about becoming rich
or famous or anything else like that.
355
00:28:15,427 --> 00:28:16,952
I don't know how you do that.
356
00:28:17,129 --> 00:28:19,791
We're talking about platinums on top
of platinums...
357
00:28:19,965 --> 00:28:21,626
...on top of platinums.
358
00:28:21,833 --> 00:28:23,824
To learn more and more
and more and more.
359
00:28:24,036 --> 00:28:25,731
We didn't think what money was.
360
00:28:25,904 --> 00:28:27,463
We'll be crushing shit.
361
00:28:27,639 --> 00:28:30,438
One side says, "Oh, come on.
I don't want to be watched."
362
00:28:30,609 --> 00:28:32,270
And the other side of you says:
363
00:28:32,511 --> 00:28:35,208
Oh, man, I could be working at
Fotomat or something."
364
00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:38,281
And then you say, "Well, let him. Let it--
Put the camera on me."
365
00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:41,215
It starts with what I am striving
to become.
366
00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:44,287
I'm sort of like a new Jack in his life.
367
00:28:44,456 --> 00:28:48,791
Or a new Jack,
pretty much, on the scene.
368
00:28:48,961 --> 00:28:51,487
-People helped me.
-Quincy had called me over and said:
369
00:28:51,663 --> 00:28:57,033
"You have a lot of ideas.
And you're gonna get them all done...
370
00:28:57,202 --> 00:28:58,829
...but you need to pace yourself."
371
00:28:59,004 --> 00:29:01,996
A white dude named Robin Fields said:
372
00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:05,336
Run for Boys Club president
and I'll be your manager."
373
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:08,946
"I can show you how to do this,
if you want to listen."
374
00:29:09,114 --> 00:29:11,014
"You gotta be joking. There's 2800 kids.
375
00:29:11,183 --> 00:29:13,049
And there are maybe 30
black people here.
376
00:29:13,218 --> 00:29:16,552
So why do you want to do that, you know?"
He said, "Do it. Let's do it."
377
00:29:16,989 --> 00:29:18,252
And I won.
378
00:29:18,423 --> 00:29:21,757
I think at that moment
in my life, I realized...
379
00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:25,693
...that people could actually
care about me...
380
00:29:25,864 --> 00:29:28,629
-...because he did.
-The light inside, when you say--
381
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,670
If just one person believes in you,
the responsibility then isn't only to yourself.
382
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:35,170
It's to another person.
383
00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:38,071
My name is Benny Medina.
I'm a vice-president of A&R.
384
00:29:38,343 --> 00:29:40,209
Outstanding.
385
00:29:40,379 --> 00:29:41,369
Why?
386
00:29:41,546 --> 00:29:46,882
Because what he did
and what he does, it stands out.
387
00:29:51,623 --> 00:29:57,221
In Seattle, we were fortunate enough
to run into a bunch of energetic kids.
388
00:29:57,396 --> 00:30:00,889
Seven to 10, we played
the Seattle Tennis Club.
389
00:30:01,066 --> 00:30:04,092
-Tuxedos and black tie on.
-Quincy Delight Jones...
390
00:30:04,269 --> 00:30:07,068
...a little trumpet player,
about 14 or 15.
391
00:30:07,239 --> 00:30:10,265
Early 1948, playing for Billie Holiday.
392
00:30:10,442 --> 00:30:13,070
To play with Billie Holiday
was the dream of my life.
393
00:30:18,583 --> 00:30:21,450
10:30, we would go
to the Get Down Club.
394
00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:23,349
He was there with a small orchestra.
395
00:30:23,522 --> 00:30:25,616
Bumps Blackwell, I think
the band's name was.
396
00:30:25,791 --> 00:30:28,055
-Had strippers, everything.
- It was a jumping town.
397
00:30:28,226 --> 00:30:31,355
Black and Tan Club, The Rockin' Chair,
where we'd meet Ray Charles.
398
00:30:31,530 --> 00:30:34,158
A lot of clubs didn't open until 12
and 1:00 at night.
399
00:30:34,333 --> 00:30:36,358
Two in the morning,
after the Get Down Club...
400
00:30:36,535 --> 00:30:39,835
...we'd go to the Elks' Club, where we
played for ourselves all be-bop.
401
00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:41,632
We played everything in Seattle.
402
00:30:41,807 --> 00:30:43,332
I remember Ray said one time--
403
00:30:43,508 --> 00:30:46,136
I used to get real bored
playing czardases and polkas.
404
00:30:46,311 --> 00:30:48,609
And he said, "Every music has its soul.
405
00:30:48,814 --> 00:30:50,441
And if you really are sincere...
406
00:30:50,615 --> 00:30:53,414
...and surrender to it
and explore it, it's all soulful."
407
00:30:53,585 --> 00:30:55,986
Quincy was a tremendous
jazz trumpet player.
408
00:30:56,154 --> 00:30:58,851
-He wasn't a good trumpet player.
-A horrible trumpet player.
409
00:30:59,024 --> 00:31:00,822
-He'll kill me, but it's true.
-Quincy was--
410
00:31:00,992 --> 00:31:02,756
Turned out
a marvelous trumpet player.
411
00:31:02,928 --> 00:31:05,192
He played very well.
I heard him play some solos.
412
00:31:05,364 --> 00:31:07,560
-He didn't do much soloing.
-Played all right.
413
00:31:07,733 --> 00:31:09,292
He'd be a bad dude.
414
00:31:09,468 --> 00:31:11,266
"I see you got a trumpet
in your hand.
415
00:31:11,436 --> 00:31:13,370
You play trumpet?"
He says, "Sure I can."
416
00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:21,771
Every time I played the horn, I would not
think about what I was playing...
417
00:31:21,947 --> 00:31:23,415
...but imagine different colors.
418
00:31:23,582 --> 00:31:26,017
I'd hear other instruments playing
some other piece.
419
00:31:26,184 --> 00:31:29,119
"You know,
I'm learning to write music too."
420
00:31:29,287 --> 00:31:30,846
I said, "Oh, fantastic."
421
00:31:31,056 --> 00:31:33,150
"See if you guys
would play my arrangements."
422
00:31:33,325 --> 00:31:36,454
I said, "Yeah, sure."
So we had a chance to run it down.
423
00:31:36,628 --> 00:31:38,892
"How'd you like it?"
I said, "It was fantastic."
424
00:31:39,064 --> 00:31:41,761
Actually, it was atrocious.
425
00:31:41,933 --> 00:31:45,301
Sit down and figure out exactly
the function each instrument played.
426
00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:47,302
Where to put this,
what to double up...
427
00:31:47,472 --> 00:31:50,032
...who plays accompaniment, melody,
who plays counter line...
428
00:31:50,208 --> 00:31:53,303
...what the drums play. I asked Ray,
"What does the brass section play?
429
00:31:53,478 --> 00:31:55,879
They're playing those hot licks
and everything else.”
430
00:31:56,047 --> 00:31:59,278
And he hit a root position B-flat 7th.
431
00:31:59,451 --> 00:32:02,352
And on top of that, he put a C7.
432
00:32:02,521 --> 00:32:05,684
I mean eighth notes,
and it was like: "Zoom."
433
00:32:05,857 --> 00:32:08,554
A hyper-space kind of a revelation
just came into my mind.
434
00:32:08,727 --> 00:32:11,253
It opened up a whole door
to, like, a whole wonder world.
435
00:32:31,483 --> 00:32:33,178
You know what I mean?
436
00:32:34,986 --> 00:32:38,354
I said, "You read?"
He said, "Yeah, I can read all the parts."
437
00:32:41,226 --> 00:32:43,456
I'm Lionel Hampton,
and I'm glad to be here.
438
00:32:43,829 --> 00:32:45,228
I was about 15 and I--
439
00:32:45,397 --> 00:32:48,059
I said, "I'd like for you
to go to Portland, Oregon.”
440
00:32:48,233 --> 00:32:51,168
He said, "Come on, kids, get on the bus
and go with the band."
441
00:32:51,336 --> 00:32:53,304
-He said, "That's good."
- I got on the bus.
442
00:32:53,472 --> 00:32:54,667
And he was all set to go.
443
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,401
I didn't wanna take a chance that he'd
change his mind and I won't go home.
444
00:32:58,577 --> 00:33:00,568
Take a chance on them refusing
to let me go.
445
00:33:00,745 --> 00:33:02,270
He had his little trumpet case.
446
00:33:02,447 --> 00:33:04,575
Finally, the band got on the bus.
447
00:33:04,749 --> 00:33:07,377
And Gladys Hampton said,
"Who's that child back there?"
448
00:33:07,552 --> 00:33:09,782
-He's a teenager.
-"Get that child off."
449
00:33:09,955 --> 00:33:11,616
-He's a kid.
-"Go back to school."
450
00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:14,725
"Go back to school and study,
then he can come join the band."
451
00:33:14,893 --> 00:33:17,692
In Quincy's normal fashion,
you know, he took that in stride.
452
00:33:17,863 --> 00:33:18,989
I was really torn up.
453
00:33:19,164 --> 00:33:23,362
Stayed in school, got a scholarship
to Seattle University.
454
00:33:23,535 --> 00:33:25,094
They were giving a scholarship.
455
00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:26,328
Hey, where you at, man?
456
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:33,876
You write your own ticket in this life
because if you don't...
457
00:33:34,045 --> 00:33:36,514
...somebody definitely gonna write
a ticket for you.
458
00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:40,345
And if they write the ticket for you,
you ain't gonna ride first class.
459
00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:42,544
You're gonna be
in the back of the back.
460
00:33:42,721 --> 00:33:46,248
You might be in the luggage compartment
if you let somebody else write that.
461
00:33:46,424 --> 00:33:49,052
You definitely gotta get out
and do your thing or else...
462
00:33:49,227 --> 00:33:52,527
...you'll just fall victim to whatever
the street dictates to you...
463
00:33:52,697 --> 00:33:55,291
...instead of trying to dictate
something for the street.
464
00:33:55,567 --> 00:33:56,830
Everybody meet Tevin?
465
00:33:57,002 --> 00:33:59,471
Tevin. Who's Tevin?
466
00:34:00,338 --> 00:34:02,397
Siedah Garret and Tevin Campbell.
467
00:34:10,215 --> 00:34:11,512
One, two.
468
00:34:13,985 --> 00:34:16,283
My name's Kenny,
this is Reggie and Alice.
469
00:34:16,454 --> 00:34:18,081
I'm Tina.
470
00:34:32,170 --> 00:34:34,036
One, two, three.
471
00:35:37,802 --> 00:35:41,329
It wasn't like standing still.
It was being neutral.
472
00:35:41,506 --> 00:35:43,099
Standing still was going backwards.
473
00:35:46,978 --> 00:35:51,415
I knew that I had to just go on
and explore...
474
00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:54,416
...and search and be curious...
475
00:35:54,886 --> 00:35:58,413
...and try to find ways to grow,
because standing still was impossible.
476
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,899
71951, when I was at Berklee,
a school in Boston
477
00:36:11,069 --> 00:36:13,766
...Hamp says, "Have him come
to New York, start with the band."”
478
00:36:13,938 --> 00:36:16,100
That was one of the happiest
moments in my life.
479
00:36:20,345 --> 00:36:22,439
You talk about first big break,
that was it.
480
00:36:24,082 --> 00:36:26,779
Birdland was the first place I went
when I got to New York.
481
00:36:26,951 --> 00:36:29,443
The mecca of what modern jazz
was all about.
482
00:36:36,461 --> 00:36:37,451
That would be hot.
483
00:36:37,629 --> 00:36:41,623
Morris Levy. I owned Birdland,
and I opened it in '49.
484
00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:49,230
Quincy asked when he joined my band,
“Are we gonna play Birdland?"
485
00:36:49,407 --> 00:36:53,708
People would come from
all over the world to Birdland.
486
00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:56,848
"Yeah, we'll play Birdland.
Get your hat and coat. Let's go."
487
00:37:00,919 --> 00:37:03,388
The one, the only, Lionel Hampton.
488
00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:04,954
We were starring at Birdland.
489
00:37:05,123 --> 00:37:08,616
Charlie Parker used to come from next door
and play with us.
490
00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:13,289
Charlie was known as "Bird."
"Birdland" came from Charlie Parker.
491
00:37:16,668 --> 00:37:18,659
Charlie Parker created the sound.
492
00:37:24,209 --> 00:37:29,170
And the moment I heard him, I say,
"That's how music should sound."
493
00:37:29,347 --> 00:37:32,681
Time for jazz, and the music
of the world's greatest jazz musicians.
494
00:37:32,851 --> 00:37:36,116
Tonight, from the jazz corner
of the world, Birdland, in New York City.
495
00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:37,145
-That's bad.
-I'm telling you, man.
496
00:39:02,207 --> 00:39:06,303
I think what's hot is dealing with
the dudes that really played Birdland, man.
497
00:39:06,477 --> 00:39:07,672
That turns me on, man.
498
00:39:08,213 --> 00:39:09,203
Hamp was a superstar.
499
00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:12,680
Sometimes he'd go upstairs,
put part of the band in a cab...
500
00:39:12,851 --> 00:39:16,116
...and go and play in another club,
and the band's still playing...
501
00:39:16,287 --> 00:39:17,516
...and come back, you know?
502
00:39:17,689 --> 00:39:19,123
He'd--
Nothing he would stop at.
503
00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:23,056
We had a special outfit at that time,
it was summertime.
504
00:39:23,228 --> 00:39:25,026
We had knickerbockers.
505
00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:29,758
Kind of purple shorts,
and socks and shoes.
506
00:39:29,934 --> 00:39:31,527
“Bermuda shorts, " you call them.
507
00:39:31,736 --> 00:39:33,795
It was very popular at that time.
508
00:39:33,972 --> 00:39:37,374
Purple coats and Tyrollean hats.
509
00:39:37,942 --> 00:39:40,240
-He was gonna make us wear this.
- It was a great outfit.
510
00:39:40,411 --> 00:39:41,435
We were wearing it.
511
00:39:41,646 --> 00:39:42,670
Really embarrassing.
512
00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:46,647
When Hamp went upstairs, we followed
behind him and standing there...
513
00:39:54,325 --> 00:39:56,851
My name is Miles Davis.
514
00:39:57,028 --> 00:39:59,656
Lying on a pole was Miles...
515
00:40:01,366 --> 00:40:04,996
...Charlie Mingus,
Thelonius Monk...
516
00:40:05,236 --> 00:40:09,605
...Bud Powell, Bird. All these hip dudes.
Our idols, you know?
517
00:40:09,774 --> 00:40:12,334
Which you'd just be dying
of shame...
518
00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:15,502
...to let these guys see us wearing
this kind of shit, you know?
519
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,342
So Clifford and I ran down
the steps and started to act...
520
00:40:18,516 --> 00:40:21,713
...like we're tying our shoes.
We couldn't do it, we were humiliated.
521
00:40:21,886 --> 00:40:23,650
Hamp was beating all over,
"Hey, pops."
522
00:40:23,821 --> 00:40:26,153
He's just beating all over
the awning and everything.
523
00:40:26,324 --> 00:40:28,554
Shaking these junkies' foundations
and all.
524
00:40:28,726 --> 00:40:30,319
They're saying, "What's that shit?"
525
00:40:30,495 --> 00:40:34,398
You talk about conflict of styles.
526
00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:46,809
Birks, all we do is get the pitch together.
It's just a little bit sharp.
527
00:40:46,978 --> 00:40:49,913
My Rolling Stones and Beatles
are Dizzy Gillespie and Miles Davies.
528
00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:51,913
I mean--
That's what they mean to me.
529
00:40:52,083 --> 00:40:56,987
I mean, that's my basic essence, since
12 years old, with those two musicians.
530
00:40:57,155 --> 00:41:02,116
And have them playing on this record
on a tune...
531
00:41:02,593 --> 00:41:05,563
...called "Birdland"
and that's why I wanted them to play...
532
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:09,394
...because they are the personification
of what Birdland was all about.
533
00:41:09,567 --> 00:41:12,195
And then just keep doing
what you're doing.
534
00:41:12,570 --> 00:41:14,060
A bit sharp?
535
00:41:20,144 --> 00:41:24,377
Well, I first met Quincy
when he was with Lionel Hampton.
536
00:41:24,549 --> 00:41:27,951
And I think Betty Carter told me
about Quincy.
537
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:30,613
She said, "There's this
young trumpet player.”
538
00:41:32,590 --> 00:41:34,820
And he was arranging at that time.
539
00:41:34,993 --> 00:41:37,018
"Writes his ass off,"
that's what she said.
540
00:41:39,464 --> 00:41:42,866
So I met him, you know? I think we had
some of the same girlfriends too.
541
00:41:43,034 --> 00:41:46,561
-The volume on this?
-Yeah, it's okay.
542
00:41:46,738 --> 00:41:49,764
As long as you don't fuck up my hair.
543
00:41:50,575 --> 00:41:52,737
Quincy was a great inspiration
to the band.
544
00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:54,901
New ideas were flowing in his mind.
545
00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:57,480
He kept the band happy
and lively all the time.
546
00:42:01,219 --> 00:42:04,621
The 1989 Songwriters'
Lifetime Achievement Award...
547
00:42:04,789 --> 00:42:06,086
...goes to Quincy "Q" Jones.
548
00:42:06,958 --> 00:42:11,088
Yeah. Quincy Jones is one
of the best friends a song ever had.
549
00:42:11,262 --> 00:42:15,529
As a composer, arranger,
producer and conductor, Quincy has been...
550
00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:19,295
...at the forefront of the music business
for 40 years, and he is still...
551
00:42:19,604 --> 00:42:21,094
...one of the hippest guys around.
552
00:42:21,272 --> 00:42:23,400
There's nothing like that stare.
553
00:42:23,608 --> 00:42:27,943
When it first hits you, you just freak.
And you get angry and you get confused.
554
00:42:28,112 --> 00:42:30,171
You don't really understand
what it's about.
555
00:42:30,348 --> 00:42:33,283
There's a lot of eyes, you know,
glued to me.
556
00:42:33,451 --> 00:42:36,421
When those eyes hit you, I mean,
we all know what that's about.
557
00:42:36,587 --> 00:42:38,851
When you're 2, you learned
how to deal with that.
558
00:42:39,023 --> 00:42:41,253
But you have to tell
a young black kid that.
559
00:42:41,426 --> 00:42:42,860
Because they grew up scared.
560
00:42:43,694 --> 00:42:44,889
All right.
561
00:42:45,897 --> 00:42:49,458
I knew I was black once.
562
00:42:51,702 --> 00:42:55,536
Whatever the cause was, to help blacks,
Quincy was always involved.
563
00:42:55,706 --> 00:42:58,835
He sought me out and
offered his support.
564
00:42:59,010 --> 00:43:01,172
-My name is Clarence Avant.
-Reverend Jesse Jackson.
565
00:43:01,345 --> 00:43:03,279
We did not meet in the context of music.
566
00:43:03,448 --> 00:43:07,442
We met in the context of the riots
when he came home to Chicago.
567
00:43:07,618 --> 00:43:10,349
He was always there
with his time, energy or whatever.
568
00:43:10,521 --> 00:43:13,047
He did not understand
why people would not give back.
569
00:43:16,761 --> 00:43:17,853
Great. Much better.
570
00:43:18,029 --> 00:43:22,057
In the beginning, I wanted an album
that incorporated the whole family...
571
00:43:22,233 --> 00:43:24,725
...of American black music, really,
you know?
572
00:43:26,571 --> 00:43:31,509
From gospel, to jazz, and you know,
everything that's part of my culture.
573
00:43:31,676 --> 00:43:34,668
White people, American white people...
574
00:43:34,846 --> 00:43:39,647
...successful white people, aren't
familiar with the black man's culture.
575
00:43:39,817 --> 00:43:45,221
Ain't nobody taking over our culture
no more, you know what I'm saying?
576
00:43:45,389 --> 00:43:47,153
And to let everybody know...
577
00:43:47,325 --> 00:43:49,987
...that we do have some
type of respect for ourselves.
578
00:43:53,397 --> 00:43:55,422
I don't want to be white.
579
00:43:58,436 --> 00:44:00,370
Birks, wait a minute, man.
580
00:44:01,205 --> 00:44:03,264
I'm satisfied with what I am.
581
00:44:03,441 --> 00:44:06,968
I know about modern-day racism.
582
00:44:07,145 --> 00:44:10,240
I was in my hometown,
in Cheraw, South Carolina.
583
00:44:10,414 --> 00:44:15,580
And I went into-- I went to two barbers,
two black barbershops...
584
00:44:15,753 --> 00:44:18,814
...and they were filled up.
And then I said-- I told my cousin:
585
00:44:18,990 --> 00:44:21,982
"Okay, take me to the white barber."
And he says, "What?"
586
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,458
I say, "Take me there.
Let's see what happens."
587
00:44:24,629 --> 00:44:27,064
Waiting in line, you know?
588
00:44:27,231 --> 00:44:31,793
The lady behind the ticket counter
points way back to me.
589
00:44:31,969 --> 00:44:36,372
I went in there and the guy sitting up--
There was nobody in the shop...
590
00:44:36,541 --> 00:44:40,171
...and didn't even look up.
And he say, "Yes?"
591
00:44:40,344 --> 00:44:45,339
"Excuse me, sir?
This line is only for credit card holders."
592
00:44:45,516 --> 00:44:47,848
"I know that. I can read, ma'am."
593
00:44:48,019 --> 00:44:50,579
"I'd like a haircut, please."
594
00:44:52,056 --> 00:44:55,651
He said, "Sorry,
we don't cut colored hair."
595
00:44:56,394 --> 00:44:58,362
This was just three years ago.
596
00:44:58,529 --> 00:45:02,227
Look at this. We can't even walk out
here. Why we can't walk out here?
597
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,097
-We was born here in this country.
-We built this.
598
00:45:05,269 --> 00:45:06,566
We built this.
599
00:45:06,737 --> 00:45:09,104
Our ancestors built this
and we can't walk here?
600
00:45:09,273 --> 00:45:10,707
We can walk anywhere we want.
601
00:45:10,875 --> 00:45:13,572
We should be able to walk anywhere
in this world we please.
602
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:21,343
We talked about it all the time.
603
00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:24,284
And we said we have to make it
better through our music.
604
00:45:34,966 --> 00:45:38,300
Melody stays constant
and rhythm always changes.
605
00:45:42,173 --> 00:45:44,938
Come on. Come on, come on.
Come on here.
606
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:48,306
Come on down. Come on down.
607
00:45:49,547 --> 00:45:51,982
The times are always contained
in the rhythm.
608
00:46:23,848 --> 00:46:29,514
Hamp would do 70 one-nighters
in just the Carolinas.
609
00:46:29,687 --> 00:46:31,917
Seventy straight one-nighters
in the Carolinas.
610
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,624
I don't wanna hear
those kind of questions today.
611
00:46:41,065 --> 00:46:45,901
We'd go through little towns and you
knew you were in, like, enemy territory.
612
00:46:46,237 --> 00:46:48,001
One town, I woke up, you know...
613
00:46:48,172 --> 00:46:50,266
...and on the steeple of the church...
614
00:46:50,441 --> 00:46:54,036
...and they had an effigy of a black
dummy with a rope around his neck.
615
00:46:54,879 --> 00:46:59,783
Everybody feels like they want to get
into something that starts a little confusion.
616
00:46:59,950 --> 00:47:04,911
It's something I don't think any of us
really want to go back to just talk about.
617
00:47:05,356 --> 00:47:09,987
It's deep. Very, very deep.
618
00:47:11,962 --> 00:47:14,897
There's an attitude
that you could just smell, almost.
619
00:47:15,066 --> 00:47:16,761
On your feet, boy.
620
00:47:16,934 --> 00:47:19,960
The hate stares and everything else.
It just had a smell to it.
621
00:47:20,137 --> 00:47:22,071
I mean now.
622
00:47:30,214 --> 00:47:34,708
And I remember in the song,
we had the first line said:
623
00:47:34,885 --> 00:47:39,379
"In the heat of the night, I feel
a cold sweat creeping across my brow."
624
00:47:39,557 --> 00:47:44,222
And I don't know. It just seemed
to set up the feeling of what that anxiety...
625
00:47:44,395 --> 00:47:46,989
...and everything was all about.
626
00:47:47,164 --> 00:47:50,498
As far as racism from the past...
627
00:47:50,735 --> 00:47:52,396
...I mean, I was not there.
628
00:47:52,603 --> 00:47:56,972
All I know is what I saw, you know,
on the movies...
629
00:47:57,141 --> 00:48:01,510
...and read in black history books.
630
00:48:02,213 --> 00:48:04,807
I think we'll start off with him.
631
00:48:04,982 --> 00:48:08,418
It was horrible. You couldn't get nothing
to eat, go in the restaurant.
632
00:48:08,586 --> 00:48:11,419
We used to play places
where we couldn't eat in the places.
633
00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:13,557
--Unless you went around to the kitchen.
634
00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:15,886
I had too much pride to go
and I just starved.
635
00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:18,620
We had a white driver.
That's the only way we could eat.
636
00:48:18,796 --> 00:48:20,389
It would get on your nerves...
637
00:48:22,833 --> 00:48:24,927
...to the point where
there would be violence.
638
00:48:25,503 --> 00:48:29,235
Any little thing is liable to take your--
639
00:48:29,407 --> 00:48:31,239
Your life.
640
00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:35,037
Small thing.
641
00:48:43,721 --> 00:48:47,180
A white milk-truck driver came behind us
and was honking and everything.
642
00:48:47,358 --> 00:48:49,349
There was no driver, he's getting food.
643
00:48:49,527 --> 00:48:50,926
This dude comes up and says:
644
00:48:51,095 --> 00:48:54,156
"What are you doing
on this midway after the lights are out?"
645
00:48:54,331 --> 00:48:57,266
So I say, "I'm waiting for the
drummer to pack his drums."
646
00:48:57,435 --> 00:48:59,529
He said, "You with this show?"
I said, "Yeah."
647
00:48:59,703 --> 00:49:02,729
He runs, jumps on the bus
and shouts his ignorant stuff:
648
00:49:02,907 --> 00:49:05,899
"How come the coons don't do this,"
and, "Move the damn bus."
649
00:49:06,076 --> 00:49:09,569
"What did you say?" I said,
"You asked and I answered it, 'Yeah.'"
650
00:49:09,747 --> 00:49:11,977
And then he whips the magic word
on me.
651
00:49:12,149 --> 00:49:15,915
He says, "Nigger, do you realize you said,
'Yes' to a white man?"
652
00:49:16,287 --> 00:49:20,121
And man, he was looking at about
19 evil brothers, man.
653
00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:24,023
We hadn't eaten in about 12 hours and
he was sorry he ever stepped on that bus.
654
00:49:24,195 --> 00:49:27,722
The last thing I remember was seeing
a blackjack coming around...
655
00:49:27,898 --> 00:49:32,131
...and it was about this big piece
of lead and leather.
656
00:49:32,303 --> 00:49:34,829
And hit me right here in the temple.
657
00:49:35,005 --> 00:49:38,964
And at the time we got through
wasting his butt, he came out--
658
00:49:39,143 --> 00:49:40,907
The driver came and put down the food.
659
00:49:41,078 --> 00:49:43,103
We dropped him off the side
and kept on going.
660
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,748
It was just too much to take.
661
00:49:56,727 --> 00:49:59,162
What does that--? what does that mean?
662
00:49:59,330 --> 00:50:00,729
-What does that mean?
-Wise up.
663
00:50:00,898 --> 00:50:03,458
You wanna use the gun,
we'll use the gun.
664
00:50:03,634 --> 00:50:05,864
-You understand?
-How would you like to get shot?
665
00:50:06,036 --> 00:50:08,437
-How would you like it?
-No better than you would.
666
00:50:08,606 --> 00:50:12,668
But when you're dealing with an enemy
who doesn't know what non-violence is...
667
00:50:12,843 --> 00:50:15,039
...as far as I'm concerned,
you're wasting time.
668
00:50:15,613 --> 00:50:18,947
I'm still convinced that non-violence
is the most potent weapon.
669
00:50:19,116 --> 00:50:23,144
We would like it to move away
from the situation of conflict.
670
00:50:23,954 --> 00:50:29,324
We must never surrender.
America will get better and better.
671
00:50:29,493 --> 00:50:33,521
Keep hope alive. Keep hope alive.
672
00:51:23,814 --> 00:51:26,511
We're free at last with this faith.
673
00:51:40,197 --> 00:51:42,029
Let's not get into violence, you know?
674
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:44,133
It's not about that.
675
00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:49,237
It's about recycling energy.
676
00:51:49,406 --> 00:51:51,670
Taking that powerful energy
inside of you.
677
00:51:51,842 --> 00:51:56,404
And putting it into something real positive
or creative or something with love.
678
00:51:56,580 --> 00:51:59,015
And it's a bitch to try
to convert hate to love.
679
00:51:59,183 --> 00:52:01,550
And it's a tough trick. But if you do it...
680
00:52:01,819 --> 00:52:03,913
...it's the only salvation.
681
00:52:24,108 --> 00:52:26,270
The best thing that happened
was traveling.
682
00:52:26,443 --> 00:52:30,903
I first arrived in Paris 37 years ago
on a train with Lionel Hampton's band.
683
00:52:31,081 --> 00:52:35,040
I was 19 years old, traveling
through Europe for the first time.
684
00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,019
The one thing Europe helped me to do
was get out of the situation...
685
00:52:47,197 --> 00:52:50,064
...where in America,
the main conflict is black and white.
686
00:52:50,234 --> 00:52:53,602
Your problems are right on your ass all
the time. You have to be careful.
687
00:52:53,771 --> 00:52:55,705
Keep your antenna up
to protect yourself.
688
00:52:55,873 --> 00:52:58,342
You don't have to watch
your back in France.
689
00:52:58,509 --> 00:53:01,843
Even now, you know,
when a black person walks in a club...
690
00:53:02,012 --> 00:53:04,504
...the first thing is find out
how to get out of it.
691
00:53:04,682 --> 00:53:08,050
I left the other musicians in the band
and I walked through the train...
692
00:53:08,218 --> 00:53:10,653
...to the caboose as we pulled
into the station.
693
00:53:10,821 --> 00:53:14,883
I could hardly wait to get
my first look at Paris.
694
00:53:20,330 --> 00:53:23,197
We were these kids going over there
with this big, popular band.
695
00:53:23,367 --> 00:53:25,062
It was like a big candy store.
696
00:53:25,235 --> 00:53:26,862
Every night, we'd go to work.
697
00:53:27,037 --> 00:53:30,632
My name is Michel Legrand
and I'm a composer.
698
00:53:30,808 --> 00:53:33,937
I don't think that
the French audience understood jazz...
699
00:53:34,111 --> 00:53:35,840
...better than American audience, no.
700
00:53:36,013 --> 00:53:37,913
But they were maybe...
701
00:53:38,415 --> 00:53:39,576
...more prepared for it.
702
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:41,912
Even if they didn't understand it exactly.
703
00:53:42,086 --> 00:53:45,784
I think right away the French,
the British and the Scandinavians...
704
00:53:45,956 --> 00:53:50,553
...most Europeans understood that
it was one of the true, original art forms...
705
00:53:50,728 --> 00:53:52,196
...ever to come from America.
706
00:53:52,362 --> 00:53:56,526
Yeah, man, over in Europe,
hell, yeah, people analyze rap.
707
00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:58,998
Now, I mean, they analyze it.
They take--
708
00:53:59,169 --> 00:54:03,606
They take rap, right, so like, all right,
they take our lyrics sheet...
709
00:54:03,774 --> 00:54:07,574
...and they'll read it word for word
and they'll analyze it.
710
00:54:07,745 --> 00:54:11,545
And they'll understand exactly
what every line we said meant.
711
00:54:11,715 --> 00:54:16,744
I became deeply impressed by the French's
knowledge of African-American music...
712
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,911
...and the love for this art form.
713
00:54:19,089 --> 00:54:20,750
When in France, we play different.
714
00:54:20,924 --> 00:54:24,360
Four years later, I returned as a student
of Nadia Boulanger...
715
00:54:24,528 --> 00:54:26,997
You begun as a strictly
jazz musician, then?
716
00:54:27,164 --> 00:54:32,068
No, that's not true. I played gospel, I played
rhythm and blues and jazz all my life.
717
00:54:32,236 --> 00:54:35,069
! started 14 years old
playing rhythm and blues.
718
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,301
He was of us, you know?
The music that we played.
719
00:54:42,146 --> 00:54:45,582
We went on the State Department tour
with Dizzy Gillespie in 1956.
720
00:54:45,749 --> 00:54:49,982
We just met with the chief of
the United States Information Service.
721
00:54:50,154 --> 00:54:53,215
Adam Clayton Powell told me to come
to the House Office Building.
722
00:54:53,390 --> 00:54:54,380
He wanted to see me.
723
00:54:54,558 --> 00:54:58,825
One of the people who we're planning
to use, my friend Dizzy Gillespie...
724
00:54:58,996 --> 00:55:01,966
...who's the father of modern jazz.
725
00:55:02,132 --> 00:55:04,499
I got in touch with Quincy.
726
00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:08,036
He organized the whole thing for me.
727
00:55:08,205 --> 00:55:11,800
That was absolute heaven to me because
big band had always been my thing.
728
00:55:11,975 --> 00:55:13,943
Send these artists over...
729
00:55:14,111 --> 00:55:17,308
...where they can reach the masses
of the people of Asia and Africa.
730
00:55:17,481 --> 00:55:20,883
Quincy had picked the cream
of young...
731
00:55:21,151 --> 00:55:23,449
...be-bop musicians.
732
00:55:23,620 --> 00:55:25,247
I don't think we'll have trouble...
733
00:55:25,422 --> 00:55:29,290
...converting the people over
to our style of music.
734
00:55:32,362 --> 00:55:34,592
The Cypriots stoned
the United States Embassy.
735
00:55:34,765 --> 00:55:36,426
--Becomes more widespread
on Cyprus.
736
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,161
Young people of high school age
take an increasing part in the violence.
737
00:55:40,337 --> 00:55:41,736
We were working in Lebanon.
738
00:55:41,905 --> 00:55:45,899
So the State Department rushed us over
to play in Athens, Greece...
739
00:55:46,076 --> 00:55:47,475
...to settle things down.
740
00:55:47,644 --> 00:55:51,581
The weapon that we will use
is the cool one.
741
00:55:51,748 --> 00:55:53,682
We played the concert.
742
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:59,422
At the end of the concert, all of these same
students that stoned the embassy...
743
00:55:59,590 --> 00:56:03,049
...rushed to the stage and grabbed
Dizzy and we thought we were in trouble.
744
00:56:03,227 --> 00:56:06,094
They put him on their shoulders
and they were cheering him.
745
00:56:09,166 --> 00:56:12,033
Music is a strange animal,
because it's something--
746
00:56:12,202 --> 00:56:17,436
No matter what the political context is,
you can't stop music from coming in.
747
00:56:17,608 --> 00:56:21,044
On behalf of Rome, Georgia,
we are part of the world.
748
00:56:23,213 --> 00:56:25,011
"We are the world,
we are the children.”
749
00:56:25,182 --> 00:56:28,482
"We Are the World,"
for the African famine relief.
750
00:56:28,652 --> 00:56:31,519
Worldwide, I think
that there's one fraternity of music.
751
00:56:31,688 --> 00:56:35,181
-We are part of the world.
-We are the world. That's right.
752
00:56:35,359 --> 00:56:37,123
And everybody's joined in that family.
753
00:56:37,294 --> 00:56:39,592
And that's--
I'm glad to be part of that family.
754
00:56:41,598 --> 00:56:44,465
Join us right now
with the rest of the world...
755
00:56:44,635 --> 00:56:47,798
...and think about world peace
and world unity.
756
00:56:54,611 --> 00:56:58,343
For me, France evokes
many of the warmest...
757
00:56:58,515 --> 00:57:00,882
...most vivid memories of my entire life.
758
00:57:01,051 --> 00:57:04,214
I think I was really lucky to get around.
759
00:57:04,388 --> 00:57:07,119
That saved me as a young person.
760
00:57:07,291 --> 00:57:10,488
I was lucky to get around
to see how other people do it.
761
00:57:10,661 --> 00:57:14,222
You've all made me feel as much at home
here as I do in my native country.
762
00:57:14,398 --> 00:57:17,766
Coming from Chicago to Bremerton,
to Seattle...
763
00:57:17,935 --> 00:57:22,702
...to tour all over the United States
and Canada with Lionel Hampton's band...
764
00:57:22,873 --> 00:57:23,863
...and to Europe.
765
00:57:24,041 --> 00:57:27,272
I am deeply honored to accept
this love letter from France...
766
00:57:27,444 --> 00:57:29,208
...the insignia of the order...
767
00:57:29,379 --> 00:57:30,869
...of the Legion d'Honneur.
768
00:57:31,048 --> 00:57:34,211
And I thank you and love each
and every one of you for joining me...
769
00:57:34,384 --> 00:57:36,648
...for this very, very meaningful occasion.
770
00:57:36,820 --> 00:57:39,152
I'm a very happy man today.
771
00:57:42,693 --> 00:57:47,153
In a way, Europe helped me
to define myself as a young musician...
772
00:57:47,331 --> 00:57:48,765
...and my place in the world.
773
00:57:48,932 --> 00:57:53,563
And somehow, you were able to have
a perspective of your past...
774
00:57:53,737 --> 00:57:55,535
...your present and your future.
775
00:57:55,706 --> 00:57:56,935
My father had a big band...
776
00:57:58,275 --> 00:58:00,642
...and he took this big band to Europe.
777
00:58:05,449 --> 00:58:10,319
When he got the chance to be music director
for Harold Arlen's show, Free and Easy...
778
00:58:10,487 --> 00:58:12,649
...I think it must have been 71959.
779
00:58:12,823 --> 00:58:15,793
Yeah.
He asked me to be his assistant.
780
00:58:15,959 --> 00:58:17,893
I said, "Fantastic. I'd love that."
781
00:58:19,229 --> 00:58:20,890
It was a big, big family...
782
00:58:21,064 --> 00:58:24,295
...the whole jazz big-band thing
was about a family.
783
00:58:24,468 --> 00:58:27,165
We really put the band together.
He had a fantastic band.
784
00:58:27,337 --> 00:58:29,931
I'm Chan Parker
I was married to Phil Woods.
785
00:58:30,107 --> 00:58:32,599
And Phil was with Quincy's band.
786
00:58:32,776 --> 00:58:35,211
His wife was with us on tour...
787
00:58:35,379 --> 00:58:36,972
...and Jolie, his daughter.
788
00:58:37,147 --> 00:58:38,945
Families of everybody
in the band came.
789
00:58:39,116 --> 00:58:41,175
Quincy just carried us all over Europe.
790
00:58:41,351 --> 00:58:42,443
We were a family.
791
00:58:42,619 --> 00:58:45,054
The calmness and professionalism...
792
00:58:45,222 --> 00:58:48,783
...that he possessed-- Just standing there,
looking at this kid, you know?
793
00:58:48,959 --> 00:58:50,449
He had all this in those days.
794
00:58:50,627 --> 00:58:53,619
I had ludicrous optimism.
"Oh, we're gonna make it, man.
795
00:58:53,797 --> 00:58:56,391
This is gonna work.
We got a great band, it's gonna work."
796
00:58:56,566 --> 00:58:58,432
And I never gave up that hope.
797
00:58:58,602 --> 00:59:02,300
Then there were some problems,
I don't remember what happened, but...
798
00:59:02,472 --> 00:59:05,931
I got in trouble with my band in 1959.
799
00:59:09,046 --> 00:59:12,175
I don't think it was a question of the band.
The timing was wrong...
800
00:59:12,349 --> 00:59:16,445
...the places he was going
were not the right places, and so on.
801
00:59:18,155 --> 00:59:21,022
--Forty-one. Two, three, four...
802
00:59:21,191 --> 00:59:24,252
-Had no management, agents, nothing.
-He did everything he could...
803
00:59:24,428 --> 00:59:27,295
-...to try and make the band work.
- It must have been rough.
804
00:59:27,464 --> 00:59:31,196
It was a nightmare, a nightmare.
Just to survive from day to day.
805
00:59:32,135 --> 00:59:34,763
There were money problems,
they were stuck over there.
806
00:59:34,938 --> 00:59:37,964
! didn't realize you got to understand
the business side.
807
00:59:38,141 --> 00:59:39,609
I never wanted to hear that.
808
00:59:39,776 --> 00:59:42,905
! had a payroll to come up with every week,
no matter what happened.
809
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:44,548
Yeah, I know he made sacrifices.
810
00:59:44,714 --> 00:59:47,911
I had to sell my publishing company
and I lost a lot of money.
811
00:59:49,286 --> 00:59:52,347
He actually gave
the publishing company away.
812
00:59:52,522 --> 00:59:53,819
The tour was a bust.
813
00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:56,425
I'm telling you, my head
was ready to explode.
814
00:59:56,593 --> 00:59:59,153
When he was in Finland,
I was very concerned.
815
00:59:59,329 --> 01:00:01,798
There was a man called Irving Green
at Mercury Records.
816
01:00:01,965 --> 01:00:04,457
I think there were many thoughts
in his mind...
817
01:00:04,634 --> 01:00:06,898
...that this was the end of the world
for him.
818
01:00:07,070 --> 01:00:09,402
-He helped my father.
-It was too much pressure.
819
01:00:09,573 --> 01:00:11,837
- I couldn't go on.
-I'd talk to him maybe...
820
01:00:12,008 --> 01:00:16,343
...two, three times a week, to try
and keep him with some hope left.
821
01:00:16,513 --> 01:00:18,743
That's the closest
I ever came in my life to suicide.
822
01:00:19,783 --> 01:00:21,615
I think I sent enough money
for them...
823
01:00:21,785 --> 01:00:23,446
...to eat and come home.
824
01:00:23,620 --> 01:00:27,784
I had to get them home, even if it meant
that I'd be in debt for seven years.
825
01:00:27,958 --> 01:00:29,426
He came back...
826
01:00:29,593 --> 01:00:32,028
...and went to work
in our New York office.
827
01:00:32,195 --> 01:00:34,562
They said, "There's a great home
for you here."
828
01:00:34,731 --> 01:00:37,701
-In charge of artists and repertoire.
-Which was different...
829
01:00:37,868 --> 01:00:42,533
...because it was a day job
and he had to actually go to work.
830
01:00:45,876 --> 01:00:48,436
I was behind that desk every day.
Awful.
831
01:00:48,612 --> 01:00:52,378
You had to be in there at 9:00
and you had to wear these Italian suits.
832
01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:55,814
Oh, you had to fill out expense reports
and all that kind of stuff...
833
01:00:55,986 --> 01:00:58,785
...that really makes my skin crawl.
834
01:00:58,955 --> 01:01:03,222
From the day I met Quincy,
I knew that you could put it in his hand...
835
01:01:03,393 --> 01:01:06,488
...and it would come out the way
you wanted it to come out.
836
01:01:06,663 --> 01:01:09,360
It doesn't mean everything was a hit.
837
01:01:12,936 --> 01:01:18,807
In 1954, Quincy was freelancing as a
writer doing the charts...
838
01:01:18,975 --> 01:01:21,307
...and also as a producer.
839
01:01:21,912 --> 01:01:24,381
We were recording Dinah Washington.
840
01:01:24,848 --> 01:01:28,011
And I remember
assigning Dinah to Quincy.
841
01:01:28,185 --> 01:01:30,552
She was crazy
about Quincy's arrangements.
842
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,451
She insisted that I do
the arrangements in 1954.
843
01:01:33,623 --> 01:01:37,287
One, two. One, two...
844
01:01:42,098 --> 01:01:45,932
Dinah Washington was so beautiful to me.
She started me out in the record business.
845
01:01:46,102 --> 01:01:47,661
The word kind of gotten around.
846
01:01:47,837 --> 01:01:52,104
He wasn't very famous in the sort
of normal world.
847
01:01:52,275 --> 01:01:53,299
I'm Herbie Hancock.
848
01:01:53,476 --> 01:01:55,774
Baste told me about Quincy
before I met him.
849
01:01:55,946 --> 01:01:57,937
Sarah would talk about him
before I met him.
850
01:01:58,114 --> 01:02:00,606
I asked him if they knew of an arranger...
851
01:02:00,784 --> 01:02:02,775
I'm Harry Lookofsky,
I'm a violinist.
852
01:02:02,953 --> 01:02:04,421
"Quincy Jones is over here."
853
01:02:04,588 --> 01:02:07,080
First thing that popped out
was the name Quincy Jones.
854
01:02:07,257 --> 01:02:09,282
And I said, "Quincy who?"
855
01:02:09,459 --> 01:02:12,360
It was more of an underground
kind of little secret.
856
01:02:12,529 --> 01:02:14,122
-Can we turn the lights off?
-Yeah.
857
01:02:14,297 --> 01:02:17,164
That would be nice.
It's so much nicer with the lights off.
858
01:02:17,334 --> 01:02:19,666
Oh, you need it to be able
to read your questions.
859
01:02:19,836 --> 01:02:21,736
I'm sorry.
860
01:02:22,172 --> 01:02:24,504
- I got a flashlight.
-Thank you.
861
01:02:24,674 --> 01:02:25,800
You're welcome.
862
01:02:25,976 --> 01:02:27,876
And you know how shy he is.
He said:
863
01:02:28,044 --> 01:02:30,672
"I'm gonna do an album,
can you recommend any producers?”
864
01:02:30,847 --> 01:02:32,611
And about three
or four months later.
865
01:02:32,782 --> 01:02:34,978
He said, "Gee,
why don't you let me do it?"
866
01:02:35,151 --> 01:02:36,812
I said, "Wow, that's a great idea."
867
01:02:40,857 --> 01:02:43,349
My instrument is playing
all of these things.
868
01:02:43,526 --> 01:02:47,588
Playing the singers, playing the songs,
playing the musicians.
869
01:02:47,764 --> 01:02:51,758
And everything else and seeing that big
vision. It's like a huge canvas and tapestry.
870
01:02:51,935 --> 01:02:54,836
Quincy understood the ingredients
that were necessary.
871
01:02:58,074 --> 01:02:59,701
My name is Francis Albert Sinatra.
872
01:02:59,876 --> 01:03:02,573
Quincy constantly ran side by side
with me...
873
01:03:02,746 --> 01:03:04,043
...through an orchestration.
874
01:03:08,184 --> 01:03:09,345
If you said, "Quincy...
875
01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:12,420
...I think the second eight measures,
they don't seem to fit...
876
01:03:12,589 --> 01:03:15,354
...with the mood
of the rest of the thing."”
877
01:03:16,493 --> 01:03:20,054
Well, he'd go 10 feet away
and fix it.
878
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:23,029
It always amazed me
that a man could do that.
879
01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:25,759
To change all of those notes
that he had written before.
880
01:03:25,935 --> 01:03:28,870
His arrangements
accompanied the singer.
881
01:03:34,711 --> 01:03:39,672
Quincy had a key to the Baste band
more than any other orchestrator.
882
01:03:41,918 --> 01:03:44,148
My baby...
883
01:03:44,321 --> 01:03:48,349
...my uncle, my mentor, my father,
my brother, my friend...
884
01:03:48,525 --> 01:03:49,754
...was Count Baste.
885
01:03:49,926 --> 01:03:54,989
I met Baste when I was 13 years old
at the Palomar Theater in Seattle...
886
01:03:55,165 --> 01:03:59,227
...and our friendship
lasted the rest of his life.
887
01:03:59,736 --> 01:04:02,171
When another guy came in
and had to write...
888
01:04:02,339 --> 01:04:05,570
...it was Basie's band,
but it didn't sound like Basie's band.
889
01:04:05,909 --> 01:04:08,071
See, some guys write the same way
for everybody.
890
01:04:09,312 --> 01:04:12,577
You've got to personalize
what you're doing.
891
01:04:13,283 --> 01:04:16,253
-That's easy, for you to be you.
-Sure.
892
01:04:16,419 --> 01:04:18,148
When you first hear the song...
893
01:04:18,321 --> 01:04:21,780
...you imagine a certain sound with it
from a certain artist.
894
01:04:21,958 --> 01:04:23,756
I'd like to just let everybody know...
895
01:04:23,927 --> 01:04:26,089
...the names down here are for solos.
896
01:04:26,262 --> 01:04:27,252
Who should sing what.
897
01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:30,297
That's where I didn't know
how that was gonna work.
898
01:04:31,601 --> 01:04:35,765
When the elements come together, you have
to make a lot of decisions as a producer.
899
01:04:40,076 --> 01:04:41,635
You have to get the right tempo...
900
01:04:41,811 --> 01:04:44,678
...the right key that's the most
comfortable with the singer.
901
01:04:47,784 --> 01:04:51,311
The right musicians that will add
the right feeling to it...
902
01:04:52,155 --> 01:04:53,953
...and when you get it really right...
903
01:04:54,858 --> 01:04:56,792
...that's when the goose bumps come.
904
01:05:07,937 --> 01:05:10,872
A producer is an organizer.
905
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,565
And Quincy's a great organizer.
906
01:05:18,848 --> 01:05:22,580
Quincy Jones had seen me
on television here...
907
01:05:22,752 --> 01:05:25,221
...as a local talk show host.
I'm Oprah Winfrey.
908
01:05:25,388 --> 01:05:27,789
One of his real strengths is he...
909
01:05:27,957 --> 01:05:30,449
...has a way of just casting people...
910
01:05:32,028 --> 01:05:35,658
...to all come together
to do something real good.
911
01:05:35,832 --> 01:05:37,698
We talked about The Color Purple...
912
01:05:37,867 --> 01:05:40,029
...and we talked about
how he had seen me...
913
01:05:40,203 --> 01:05:42,535
...how he thought that
! would make a good Sofia.
914
01:05:42,705 --> 01:05:44,366
He just felt that I would.
915
01:05:44,541 --> 01:05:47,442
And asked me if I'd done
any acting or anything.
916
01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:49,510
And I had to finally tell him the truth.
917
01:05:51,514 --> 01:05:54,506
I don't think I'd have gotten through it
had he not been there...
918
01:05:54,684 --> 01:05:58,587
...because it was undoubtedly the most
intimidating experience I've ever had.
919
01:05:58,755 --> 01:06:00,223
You told Harpo to beat me.
920
01:06:00,957 --> 01:06:03,585
When I am around him...
921
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,424
...or can talk to him, I feel like
I can do or be anything.
922
01:06:07,597 --> 01:06:09,827
Quincy has that aura.
923
01:06:09,999 --> 01:06:11,694
My name is Barbra Streisand.
924
01:06:11,868 --> 01:06:14,599
He'd say to you,
"Oh, you can do such and such a thing."
925
01:06:14,771 --> 01:06:17,331
You want to please him,
you want to impress him.
926
01:06:17,507 --> 01:06:19,908
He said, "Come on.
Pull out those rock songs."”
927
01:06:20,076 --> 01:06:22,170
I had something,
but I didn't wanna play it.
928
01:06:22,345 --> 01:06:25,645
You have to communicate to the artist
what attitude you're looking for.
929
01:06:25,815 --> 01:06:27,305
Your earphones okay?
930
01:06:27,484 --> 01:06:29,213
-Your earphones okay?
- Pardon?
931
01:06:29,385 --> 01:06:31,581
- I said, "Are your earphones okay?"
-Yeah, fine.
932
01:06:32,822 --> 01:06:36,156
In order to get the proper inflection,
and the real flavor he wanted...
933
01:06:36,326 --> 01:06:39,421
...which is probably what he had in mind
when he wrote this line.
934
01:06:39,596 --> 01:06:42,588
He said, "No, fellas. Come on, like,
'Dirty motherfucker.'"
935
01:06:44,234 --> 01:06:46,100
They say, "That's what you're
talking."
936
01:06:46,269 --> 01:06:48,169
Nobody ever explained it
like that before.
937
01:06:49,739 --> 01:06:51,673
He forced me to drive to my house...
938
01:06:51,841 --> 01:06:54,742
...and he forced me to get the
engineer in to do this song.
939
01:06:54,911 --> 01:06:57,039
And I made him wait in the other room.
940
01:06:57,213 --> 01:07:00,877
! was really embarrassed.
! was in there singing my heart out.
941
01:07:01,050 --> 01:07:03,246
Finally, I was done.
He came in, and I played it.
942
01:07:03,419 --> 01:07:04,648
He just loved it.
943
01:07:04,821 --> 01:07:08,314
Hugged me and said, "This is the
song we're looking for.” It was "Beat It."
944
01:07:13,963 --> 01:07:18,560
The best results I've had have happened
when we surrendered to each other.
945
01:07:18,735 --> 01:07:21,761
They say, "This could feel better."
"Great, you got it," you know.
946
01:07:21,938 --> 01:07:24,873
I'd say "I'd like to hear you try this.
You've never tried it."
947
01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:27,305
They say, "Okay, I'll try it."
948
01:07:27,477 --> 01:07:30,037
That's an incredible thing, when you...
949
01:07:30,213 --> 01:07:31,908
...can trust someone.
950
01:07:32,081 --> 01:07:35,642
You can trust their musicality,
you can trust their artistic judgment.
951
01:07:36,452 --> 01:07:37,647
Open that sucker up.
952
01:07:37,820 --> 01:07:39,515
You can just play,
you can be free.
953
01:07:48,998 --> 01:07:50,625
It was really fun.
954
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,393
Inspiring fun.
955
01:07:52,569 --> 01:07:54,367
He has made different artists...
956
01:07:54,537 --> 01:07:56,130
...come out with what they do.
957
01:07:56,873 --> 01:08:00,036
To make that person sound...
958
01:08:00,209 --> 01:08:02,974
...better than they've ever sound before.
959
01:08:06,683 --> 01:08:08,674
And they can feel it.
960
01:08:09,919 --> 01:08:12,889
That's great. She thought...
961
01:08:13,056 --> 01:08:17,618
If he didn't have all the music in his body,
he wouldn't come over like that...
962
01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:19,350
...to another person.
963
01:08:28,471 --> 01:08:29,961
Okay, let's go.
964
01:08:30,139 --> 01:08:33,871
All of these artists had confidence
in whatever he thought should be done.
965
01:08:34,043 --> 01:08:36,842
And they will leap without a net
or without a parachute.
966
01:08:37,013 --> 01:08:38,674
That's when the
good stuff happens.
967
01:08:38,848 --> 01:08:41,613
You know, like, to say,
"Let's work together."
968
01:08:42,018 --> 01:08:44,885
He can do that,
because he has all this--
969
01:08:45,054 --> 01:08:48,251
That love inside him.
It comes out of him.
970
01:08:54,430 --> 01:08:56,922
When they take that leap,
they take me with them.
971
01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:59,592
I mean, that's the whole idea.
972
01:09:07,043 --> 01:09:10,411
"We Are the World,"
Quincy Jones, producer.
973
01:09:13,049 --> 01:09:15,677
When I was on staff as an A&R man...
974
01:09:15,852 --> 01:09:17,251
...I didn't know producers got paid.
975
01:09:20,023 --> 01:09:22,720
-We were at an A&R session.
-Going through bits of business.
976
01:09:22,892 --> 01:09:26,351
- I think it was in Chicago.
-Guys were teasing me and Hal Mooney...
977
01:09:26,529 --> 01:09:30,659
...that we were budget busters because
we just recorded good music things...
978
01:09:30,833 --> 01:09:33,097
...that never made a lot of money.
979
01:09:34,704 --> 01:09:37,264
Irving says, "Here's a record
Joe Glaser gave me..."
980
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:40,501
-This girl was 16 years old.
-He played a little taste of it.
981
01:09:41,411 --> 01:09:44,381
And everybody turned it down
after listening to it.
982
01:09:44,547 --> 01:09:48,074
-Quincy said, "Wait a minute."
-She got a great voice. Got a great style.
983
01:09:48,251 --> 01:09:50,948
So I said, "You take the dub,
and the girl's in New York...
984
01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,023
-...see what you can do with her."
-Pop music is not that big a deal to do.
985
01:09:55,191 --> 01:09:59,753
So that record, I took as
a kind of a challenge and said, "Okay."
986
01:10:03,266 --> 01:10:04,825
Thank you.
987
01:10:06,803 --> 01:10:09,431
The end of the story is
"It's My Party" by Lesley Gore...
988
01:10:12,408 --> 01:10:14,342
...which was a number one hit.
989
01:10:14,510 --> 01:10:19,914
That was really the beginning of my
debut as a pop producer, of pop hits.
990
01:10:20,083 --> 01:10:21,482
That was 7963.
991
01:10:21,651 --> 01:10:23,745
When you say, "pop,"
that's white, right?
992
01:10:32,195 --> 01:10:35,995
! was always interested in writing
for films, even as a kid.
993
01:10:36,165 --> 01:10:39,533
I didn't think it would ever happen.
They didn't have black composers.
994
01:10:43,673 --> 01:10:45,869
When somebody says you can't,
I say, "Really?"
995
01:10:46,042 --> 01:10:47,840
Action. Look at camera.
996
01:10:48,010 --> 01:10:49,876
I love that challenge.
997
01:10:50,046 --> 01:10:52,606
The expression of crossing
the line and all that...
998
01:10:52,782 --> 01:10:57,447
...goes not only from racial things.
It also crosses levels of society.
999
01:10:57,620 --> 01:10:59,748
Look at camera please. Action.
1000
01:10:59,922 --> 01:11:02,414
Quincy crosses those lines.
1001
01:11:08,231 --> 01:11:10,666
I saw long names on the screen...
1002
01:11:10,833 --> 01:11:12,801
...with music by Amfitheatrof...
1003
01:11:12,969 --> 01:11:14,437
...and Tiomkin and long names.
1004
01:11:21,310 --> 01:11:24,371
Quincy found out
what his aptitude was...
1005
01:11:24,547 --> 01:11:26,379
...early on...
1006
01:11:26,549 --> 01:11:30,042
...and sized up his environment,
and survived it...
1007
01:11:30,219 --> 01:11:35,714
...and then rose above it
but never detached himself from it.
1008
01:11:42,365 --> 01:11:44,163
Oh, yeah.
1009
01:11:44,333 --> 01:11:47,200
There's a lot of things
that I would have loved to do...
1010
01:11:47,370 --> 01:11:51,466
...for the stature that I had in the business,
selling of records, things like that.
1011
01:11:51,641 --> 01:11:55,703
Well, I was entitled to make pictures
and things but I never did.
1012
01:11:57,713 --> 01:11:59,306
I got a call one day...
1013
01:11:59,482 --> 01:12:01,507
...from a director named Sidney Lumet.
1014
01:12:01,684 --> 01:12:04,710
He had never done a score before,
this was his first movie score.
1015
01:12:04,887 --> 01:12:07,049
He said, "I'd like you to come,
look at a film.
1016
01:12:07,223 --> 01:12:09,282
Maybe you can do the score for it."
1017
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:15,024
Listen to that bass line in there
and it is so threatening.
1018
01:12:15,631 --> 01:12:18,191
And the heartbeat goes again.
This is a big step.
1019
01:12:18,367 --> 01:12:23,305
But not in any cliché sense the way
a Hollywood composer would have done it.
1020
01:12:23,472 --> 01:12:25,440
I gotta be the one that calls the move.
1021
01:12:25,608 --> 01:12:27,440
We had you figured for that.
1022
01:12:28,945 --> 01:12:32,040
If this thing goes, I say if...
1023
01:12:33,649 --> 01:12:36,710
...I say when and how. If.
1024
01:12:36,886 --> 01:12:39,878
Quincy was born in a time...
1025
01:12:40,056 --> 01:12:42,423
...where he could not do anything
he wanted to.
1026
01:12:49,732 --> 01:12:52,360
He could not express himself
any way he wanted to.
1027
01:12:56,472 --> 01:12:58,201
He had been doing some research...
1028
01:12:58,374 --> 01:13:00,934
...about music's roots, so to speak,
in Africa.
1029
01:13:02,144 --> 01:13:04,044
He was as happy as I am...
1030
01:13:04,213 --> 01:13:07,740
...when Roots came
and really went through the top.
1031
01:13:09,318 --> 01:13:11,286
They were always having
to look for...
1032
01:13:11,454 --> 01:13:13,252
...a certain vehicle for me...
1033
01:13:14,423 --> 01:13:17,393
...something that was specialized.
What for?
1034
01:13:24,467 --> 01:13:28,301
They have to find something specialized
for whoever?
1035
01:13:28,471 --> 01:13:30,462
He surprises me in so many ways...
1036
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:36,135
...because when I heard, back in the '60s,
that he had become...
1037
01:13:36,312 --> 01:13:39,338
...the vice-president in charge...
1038
01:13:39,515 --> 01:13:42,746
...of artists and repertoire
of Mercury Records...
1039
01:13:42,919 --> 01:13:46,446
...the first black person to reach that level...
1040
01:13:46,622 --> 01:13:50,684
...I absolutely was so proud.
It was just unbelievable.
1041
01:14:02,638 --> 01:14:04,936
The next time I talked to him, he says:
1042
01:14:05,107 --> 01:14:06,438
"Oh, man," he says...
1043
01:14:08,544 --> 01:14:10,205
..."I'm going out to Hollywood."
1044
01:14:12,715 --> 01:14:14,877
I said, "What about the Mercury job?"
1045
01:14:15,051 --> 01:14:17,679
It scared me because it was like
I was selling my soul.
1046
01:14:17,853 --> 01:14:21,619
I said, "Man, that's $50,000 a year.
And my soul was worth more than that."
1047
01:14:21,791 --> 01:14:23,623
I said, "You're gonna quit?"
1048
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:28,729
And he said, "Yeah. I want to go out
and write music for motion pictures."
1049
01:14:28,898 --> 01:14:31,162
I just dropped everything
and took that chance.
1050
01:14:31,334 --> 01:14:34,827
I said, "I don't know. Maybe I won't
make it out there. But I'm going."
1051
01:14:35,004 --> 01:14:36,165
Hitachi AV.
1052
01:14:45,581 --> 01:14:47,071
I gave up my marriage...
1053
01:14:47,249 --> 01:14:48,580
...and I gave up my job.
1054
01:14:53,522 --> 01:14:56,150
Left New York and just jumped in.
1055
01:14:57,793 --> 01:15:00,558
There were times when I said too,
“You're out of your mind."
1056
01:15:00,730 --> 01:15:03,927
After The Pawnbroker, / thought
the offers were gonna be rolling in.
1057
01:15:04,100 --> 01:15:05,363
Nothing for two years.
1058
01:15:10,506 --> 01:15:12,634
People asked me at the beginning:
1059
01:15:14,443 --> 01:15:16,468
"How is it working with a black man?"
1060
01:15:16,979 --> 01:15:21,212
I had no idea at that time
as hard as this system was to get into...
1061
01:15:21,384 --> 01:15:24,752
...that there would be a stand-up director
like Richard that would say:
1062
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,116
"Quincy's doing the score.
This is not a black picture.”
1063
01:15:27,289 --> 01:15:31,851
He wanted to know how you break into this
so you can get a good picture to compose?
1064
01:15:32,028 --> 01:15:34,087
I guess part of it is the--
1065
01:15:35,097 --> 01:15:37,566
The adventure and the excitement...
1066
01:15:37,733 --> 01:15:40,930
...and probably the danger of jumping into
areas where...
1067
01:15:41,103 --> 01:15:44,630
...you know that it's not really
for real but it is for real.
1068
01:15:44,807 --> 01:15:46,707
And you can get back out.
1069
01:15:53,349 --> 01:15:55,750
I'm up working and thinking about
music or whatever.
1070
01:15:55,918 --> 01:15:58,387
And my wife tripped off the alarm,
the bell rings.
1071
01:15:58,554 --> 01:16:02,047
And I go to the back door
and I see the guards to my house.
1072
01:16:02,224 --> 01:16:07,060
There are 10 guys all out in the backyard
with shotguns training right straight on me.
1073
01:16:07,229 --> 01:16:09,459
One standing here and as I step out...
1074
01:16:09,632 --> 01:16:13,466
...the guy cocks the shotgun
and the shotgun's right in my head like this.
1075
01:16:13,636 --> 01:16:14,865
The guy says, "Don't move."
1076
01:16:15,037 --> 01:16:17,404
The last living thing
you're ever gonna see.
1077
01:16:18,908 --> 01:16:22,572
And I see his hands with more
shells in there, trembling.
1078
01:16:22,745 --> 01:16:25,578
He says, "Who are you?"
I said, "This is my home."
1079
01:16:27,083 --> 01:16:30,747
And these are the people that I am paying
supposedly for my protection.
1080
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,116
They didn't know I was the owner
of the house.
1081
01:16:39,161 --> 01:16:42,062
Only because I'm black. That's all.
1082
01:16:42,665 --> 01:16:46,431
You hear that sustained note of music
that's all the way through this section.
1083
01:16:46,602 --> 01:16:49,264
Rather than tell the ear everything
the eye's seeing...
1084
01:16:49,438 --> 01:16:51,133
...1 let the ear go its way...
1085
01:16:51,307 --> 01:16:53,401
...and let the eye go its own way.
1086
01:16:53,576 --> 01:16:56,341
We listened to about
a hundred tapes of the interrogation...
1087
01:16:56,512 --> 01:16:58,810
...between the two killers.
1088
01:16:59,482 --> 01:17:02,782
And that's why this thing
felt really real. Lord.
1089
01:17:02,952 --> 01:17:04,579
If Quincy has any anger in him...
1090
01:17:04,753 --> 01:17:07,154
...then he just used the anger
just as a challenge...
1091
01:17:07,323 --> 01:17:08,813
...just as a motivating factor.
1092
01:17:08,991 --> 01:17:10,425
Please don't.
1093
01:17:10,593 --> 01:17:12,152
Please.
1094
01:17:17,666 --> 01:17:21,364
Quincy overcame all the obstacles...
1095
01:17:21,537 --> 01:17:23,972
...but he had those obstacles.
1096
01:17:28,277 --> 01:17:30,541
If it hadn't been, possibly...
1097
01:17:30,713 --> 01:17:33,705
...for me,
then Quincy wouldn't have made it.
1098
01:17:33,883 --> 01:17:35,851
He's got the key to them doors.
1099
01:17:36,018 --> 01:17:38,715
If it hasn't been for Quincy,
somebody else won't make it.
1100
01:17:38,888 --> 01:17:40,014
He got the map to say:
1101
01:17:40,189 --> 01:17:42,715
"This is how you going--
You can get to the next road."
1102
01:17:45,394 --> 01:17:47,863
After In the Heat of the Night,
he started talking...
1103
01:17:48,030 --> 01:17:51,159
...about getting tired of doing
movie scores. He's quite right.
1104
01:17:51,333 --> 01:17:56,567
It's a predetermined dramatic structure
that you're stuck with.
1105
01:17:56,739 --> 01:18:01,973
I think that if a composer concentrates
completely on movies...
1106
01:18:02,144 --> 01:18:06,274
I was doing up to eight movies a year.
I must have done 34, 38 films.
1107
01:18:06,448 --> 01:18:09,816
...he's gonna lose something inside
himself. And in his work.
1108
01:18:09,985 --> 01:18:12,613
The sprockets don't change
and the conditions don't change.
1109
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:17,751
In 19689, I think I made my first turn
going in a different direction...
1110
01:18:17,927 --> 01:18:21,386
...with Walking in Space,
the whole album in three days.
1111
01:18:21,564 --> 01:18:24,124
! was frustrated with being locked
into synchronization.
1112
01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:26,428
And I just I wanted to just:
1113
01:19:46,315 --> 01:19:49,774
I think that's one of his secrets...
1114
01:19:49,952 --> 01:19:54,685
...his enormous appeal and the--
1115
01:19:54,857 --> 01:19:56,985
It's like a mirror. It just comes back.
1116
01:20:00,663 --> 01:20:03,997
He's in love with love too.
1117
01:20:08,203 --> 01:20:11,833
I think Quincy would love to be
in love with everybody.
1118
01:20:13,175 --> 01:20:14,540
Oh, sure I loved Peggy.
1119
01:20:14,710 --> 01:20:16,872
I loved Jeri.
And I loved Ulla too.
1120
01:20:17,046 --> 01:20:19,037
Quincy is like a...
1121
01:20:19,581 --> 01:20:21,276
He's like a spray gun of love.
1122
01:20:21,450 --> 01:20:24,909
It just goes flying out
like shrapnel in all directions, you know?
1123
01:20:25,087 --> 01:20:27,954
And if you're lucky,
you'll get caught by some of it.
1124
01:20:28,257 --> 01:20:30,817
Music is very self-centered.
1125
01:20:30,993 --> 01:20:33,485
You have to tune everything else out.
1126
01:20:33,662 --> 01:20:36,029
And it's hard to share.
1127
01:20:38,867 --> 01:20:42,633
And sharing is what marriage is all about.
1128
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,642
All of my wives probably
had to perceive all of it as a nightmare...
1129
01:20:55,818 --> 01:21:00,051
...and probably approached it with hope,
in some cases, in front, you know.
1130
01:21:00,222 --> 01:21:05,524
In the beginning, you don't get together
with somebody that you don't like a lot.
1131
01:21:12,201 --> 01:21:14,499
My first wife was...
1132
01:21:14,670 --> 01:21:17,401
...from high school,
from 15 years old.
1133
01:21:30,686 --> 01:21:32,017
She was a beautiful lady.
1134
01:21:32,187 --> 01:21:34,155
And we were just there, victims of youth.
1135
01:21:34,323 --> 01:21:37,224
People get married at 20,
they don't know what they're doing.
1136
01:21:37,393 --> 01:21:42,854
It was an interracial marriage at a time
when that was not the happening thing.
1137
01:21:43,031 --> 01:21:44,897
It's like a little accent.
1138
01:21:45,067 --> 01:21:47,729
Yes, it's like an accent
on the downbeat.
1139
01:21:47,903 --> 01:21:50,873
I always had to have somebody there
that was supposed to...
1140
01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:52,529
...supposedly taking care of me.
1141
01:21:56,678 --> 01:22:00,740
It was all about saving in whatever areas
they could save in.
1142
01:22:00,916 --> 01:22:03,613
Not going to the movies,
not having babysitters.
1143
01:22:03,786 --> 01:22:06,118
So that my father could
take the extra money...
1144
01:22:06,288 --> 01:22:09,724
...and go down to wherever he had to go
to be with the right people...
1145
01:22:09,892 --> 01:22:12,589
...to get where he wanted to go.
1146
01:22:18,066 --> 01:22:21,263
Jeri used to take the music and when you
finished, you got deadlines.
1147
01:22:21,437 --> 01:22:23,235
You put it in a Manila envelope.
1148
01:22:23,405 --> 01:22:26,306
She'd rush over to Bunny Bartlett
or Sam Herman, the copyist.
1149
01:22:26,475 --> 01:22:28,705
Have it copied., 4:00 in the morning.
1150
01:22:28,877 --> 01:22:30,936
In the music business, it doesn't matter.
1151
01:22:32,548 --> 01:22:36,746
When I was very little, like,
probably about 4 or 5 or something...
1152
01:22:36,919 --> 01:22:40,913
...and my mother and I were somewhere
waiting for him in a restaurant.
1153
01:22:41,824 --> 01:22:43,758
And I don't remember it specifically...
1154
01:22:43,926 --> 01:22:45,360
...but I know that, you know...
1155
01:22:45,527 --> 01:22:47,291
...he never showed up.
1156
01:22:47,463 --> 01:22:51,525
And my mother tells me that I,
you know, used to say to her:
1157
01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:53,634
“I don't know why we're waiting.
1158
01:22:53,802 --> 01:22:55,668
You know, he's not gonna come."
1159
01:22:56,305 --> 01:22:57,636
Like...
1160
01:23:01,944 --> 01:23:03,935
Boy, what a dog.
1161
01:23:06,148 --> 01:23:08,947
My mother and I just thought it was--
1162
01:23:09,117 --> 01:23:12,678
He had this genius in him,
and it had to happen.
1163
01:23:12,855 --> 01:23:15,688
It was happening, you know?
It was something that had to be.
1164
01:23:15,858 --> 01:23:18,327
And everything else was second.
1165
01:23:18,494 --> 01:23:21,930
Which wasn't so right to do for us...
1166
01:23:22,097 --> 01:23:23,622
...but that's how it was.
1167
01:23:23,799 --> 01:23:26,359
My activity during that time...
1168
01:23:26,535 --> 01:23:27,661
...was about survival.
1169
01:23:27,836 --> 01:23:29,634
I was trying to grow professionally.
1170
01:23:29,805 --> 01:23:33,070
She wanted him to be able
to have his dream.
1171
01:23:33,242 --> 01:23:34,869
Start lighter.
Just like a wind...
1172
01:23:35,043 --> 01:23:37,512
...that just comes in,
a breeze that just comes in.
1173
01:23:39,548 --> 01:23:43,246
Continued my life
like I was a single man.
1174
01:23:46,989 --> 01:23:50,186
And we just plowed through it,
and did the best we could...
1175
01:23:50,359 --> 01:23:53,056
...but it just couldn't--
We couldn't stay together.
1176
01:23:55,097 --> 01:23:57,930
The life just went right out of the house.
I mean--
1177
01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:00,501
And I know it happens each time,
you know?
1178
01:24:00,669 --> 01:24:02,068
I know it happened to...
1179
01:24:02,237 --> 01:24:05,969
...both sets of other children.
1180
01:24:06,141 --> 01:24:09,907
The phone stops ringing.
You know, people don't come over anymore.
1181
01:24:10,078 --> 01:24:13,946
There's not this action going on.
And it's really...
1182
01:24:14,116 --> 01:24:16,141
...kind of strange.
1183
01:24:17,286 --> 01:24:19,380
-Are we starting all over?
-Yeah.
1184
01:24:19,555 --> 01:24:21,887
I wasn't in any better shape
for the second.
1185
01:24:22,057 --> 01:24:25,493
It was a matter of months before
I got back into the same pattern.
1186
01:24:25,661 --> 01:24:28,187
Probably trying to create that nest again.
1187
01:24:33,168 --> 01:24:36,069
! was happy when he married Ulla...
1188
01:24:36,238 --> 01:24:39,469
...because I wanted to be part
of a family.
1189
01:24:39,641 --> 01:24:42,269
And having sisters and brothers...
1190
01:24:42,878 --> 01:24:44,607
...meant that I was...
1191
01:24:44,780 --> 01:24:47,750
Three weeks into it,
I knew it would never work, you know?
1192
01:24:47,916 --> 01:24:50,214
--You know, be close to and love.
1193
01:24:51,753 --> 01:24:52,777
But we had...
1194
01:24:52,955 --> 01:24:56,653
-This is not good for my kids.
-It was just obvious, you know...
1195
01:24:56,825 --> 01:24:58,691
...that my father was a ladies' man.
1196
01:25:01,029 --> 01:25:02,224
One more.
1197
01:25:02,397 --> 01:25:06,163
Girl, can't you see that I want to be
just what you need, to make it happen.
1198
01:25:06,435 --> 01:25:08,904
I can be your one-man woman.
1199
01:25:16,111 --> 01:25:18,341
You gotta say, "If you want,"
so and so and so.
1200
01:25:18,513 --> 01:25:20,641
“I know what I need to do
to make it happen.”
1201
01:25:22,618 --> 01:25:24,950
"Baby I know for sure I said it before.”
1202
01:25:40,602 --> 01:25:42,127
That one was nice.
1203
01:26:00,856 --> 01:26:02,688
My third marriage...
1204
01:26:04,493 --> 01:26:06,154
Peggy was different.
1205
01:26:06,361 --> 01:26:09,695
Okay, we're gonna run one more.
Just for you.
1206
01:26:42,998 --> 01:26:45,899
The first difference was...
1207
01:26:46,068 --> 01:26:48,332
...that Peggy was with a family...
1208
01:26:48,503 --> 01:26:53,031
...that the mother and father
had been together for, what, 35, 39 years?
1209
01:26:53,208 --> 01:26:54,698
The same mother and father.
1210
01:26:56,545 --> 01:26:59,776
That was something that was missing
from my whole life.
1211
01:27:02,317 --> 01:27:03,375
My father was alone.
1212
01:27:03,552 --> 01:27:07,318
He had split up with Ulla, I was saying,
“Why don't you go out with somebody."
1213
01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:15,091
Peggy had just enjoyed five years of
being the most successful television star...
1214
01:27:15,263 --> 01:27:17,231
...in America on Mod Squad.
1215
01:27:17,399 --> 01:27:19,299
She was tired of show business...
1216
01:27:19,468 --> 01:27:22,768
...and wanted to settle down.
And that seemed like it was just perfect.
1217
01:27:27,576 --> 01:27:30,773
She said, "I just want somebody to love me
that I can love."
1218
01:27:30,946 --> 01:27:33,313
And she wanted to have children.
1219
01:27:33,482 --> 01:27:36,747
I asked her if she wanted
to go to dinner with my father and I.
1220
01:27:36,918 --> 01:27:39,250
In fact, I moved into her house...
1221
01:27:39,521 --> 01:27:42,821
...and we lived there for about a year
before we got our own home.
1222
01:27:42,991 --> 01:27:46,291
And my father doesn't drive,
so I drove the two of them...
1223
01:27:46,461 --> 01:27:48,225
...and they were together ever since.
1224
01:27:51,867 --> 01:27:53,426
He really loves his career.
1225
01:27:53,602 --> 01:27:58,506
If the family thing happens
to suffer from it...
1226
01:27:58,673 --> 01:28:03,509
... don't think it's just something
that he has any control over.
1227
01:28:03,678 --> 01:28:07,239
Going along for the ride and when you
see a nice piece you just bite it off.
1228
01:28:07,415 --> 01:28:09,281
You can't do a career like...
1229
01:28:09,451 --> 01:28:12,318
...he's done a career
and be the perfect father.
1230
01:28:12,487 --> 01:28:17,118
I don't know whether you've ever seen him
write but he gets his head kind of cocked...
1231
01:28:17,292 --> 01:28:20,489
...as if the notes
were stabbing him in the back.
1232
01:28:20,662 --> 01:28:25,224
The only way you could really get to him
was to hit a different key...
1233
01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:26,765
...than what he was listening.
1234
01:28:26,935 --> 01:28:29,927
Then when you would do this,
he would say, "No! No!"
1235
01:28:30,405 --> 01:28:33,204
You got to tell yourself...
1236
01:28:33,375 --> 01:28:36,572
...that God did not tell you
how much time you got...
1237
01:28:36,745 --> 01:28:38,577
...and so, what is it all about?
1238
01:28:38,747 --> 01:28:40,909
You don't need to kill your damn self,
you know?
1239
01:28:41,082 --> 01:28:43,710
I love you too much.
You have to stay here with me.
1240
01:28:47,322 --> 01:28:48,312
Double time.
1241
01:28:48,490 --> 01:28:51,357
At one point, I was getting
real nervous and scared about him.
1242
01:28:51,526 --> 01:28:56,362
I felt maybe he might overwork himself
and become too exhausted.
1243
01:28:56,531 --> 01:28:58,192
It won't grow anymore.
1244
01:28:58,366 --> 01:29:00,300
Next thing you know he's...
1245
01:29:00,468 --> 01:29:04,063
...going to wind up with some kind of,
you know...
1246
01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:06,037
...heart murmur.
So you never know.
1247
01:29:34,169 --> 01:29:36,001
And I got this call from Seattle...
1248
01:29:36,171 --> 01:29:40,039
...from my relatives in Seattle, saying,
"How is he? What's going on?"
1249
01:29:40,208 --> 01:29:43,143
Daddy, is this the scar?
1250
01:29:43,612 --> 01:29:44,841
"What are you talking about?"
1251
01:29:45,013 --> 01:29:46,276
It's called an aneurysm.
1252
01:29:46,681 --> 01:29:48,979
I've never seen that before.
1253
01:29:53,021 --> 01:29:56,184
An aneurysm,
it's equivalent to 16 strokes.
1254
01:29:56,358 --> 01:29:59,555
It's like a hose, with water full force
and you let it loose...
1255
01:29:59,728 --> 01:30:01,355
...it just goes all over the place.
1256
01:30:01,529 --> 01:30:04,863
Like somebody just shot
the whole back of my head out.
1257
01:30:09,671 --> 01:30:13,005
Pain. And I just kept screaming,
"Help. Help me."
1258
01:30:24,886 --> 01:30:26,411
The main artery had erupted.
1259
01:30:26,588 --> 01:30:30,388
The brain was so damaged and swollen up,
if they went in then...
1260
01:30:30,558 --> 01:30:32,253
...it would jump out of your head.
1261
01:30:39,467 --> 01:30:43,461
The rough one was the second time. They
said, "You're okay. You'll live through this.
1262
01:30:43,638 --> 01:30:47,097
You have another one, and we have
to go back and get that one too."
1263
01:30:51,346 --> 01:30:54,145
The second time they go in,
you're as clear as I am now.
1264
01:30:54,883 --> 01:30:57,614
They go in and out.
1265
01:30:57,953 --> 01:31:01,184
They do their number. They drill a hole,
drill a hole, drill a hole.
1266
01:31:01,356 --> 01:31:03,518
I had just total freaked-out anxiety.
1267
01:31:03,692 --> 01:31:05,660
One out of a hundred lives through this.
1268
01:31:06,094 --> 01:31:08,791
And they take the saw,
and they cut out little blocks.
1269
01:31:08,964 --> 01:31:11,160
They pull the flap all the way back.
1270
01:31:12,834 --> 01:31:15,064
And it looks like an oyster.
1271
01:31:15,236 --> 01:31:17,898
I thought about Kidada.
She hadn't called me "Daddy" then.
1272
01:31:20,141 --> 01:31:25,136
They put a clip around the artery,
just put the blocks back in, and...
1273
01:31:25,547 --> 01:31:29,108
...pull the flap up, and they make you
sign these releases.
1274
01:31:29,284 --> 01:31:31,446
So I asked what this bag is...
1275
01:31:31,619 --> 01:31:35,351
...and they said it's the hair they shaved off
before the operation.
1276
01:31:35,523 --> 01:31:38,788
And if you don't make it, they want you
to look good on your way out...
1277
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,019
...when you're catching
that morning train.
1278
01:31:50,905 --> 01:31:53,897
! know that he was supposed
to cool it then.
1279
01:31:54,075 --> 01:31:58,603
That the doctors told him that he
shouldn't be going at such full speed.
1280
01:31:59,347 --> 01:32:03,682
And he did for a minute. And now I think
he's going twice as fast as he ever did.
1281
01:32:03,852 --> 01:32:07,083
I always thought I had wires in me
and nothing could ever happen.
1282
01:32:07,255 --> 01:32:09,747
But that's what he lives for
and that's how he is.
1283
01:32:09,924 --> 01:32:13,087
And I think he'd die if he had
to sit somewhere and not do anything.
1284
01:32:13,361 --> 01:32:16,922
Everything he does,
it gets bigger and bigger and bigger now.
1285
01:32:17,098 --> 01:32:19,430
The career seemed to be...
1286
01:32:19,601 --> 01:32:21,933
...the given, the steady.
1287
01:32:24,039 --> 01:32:28,203
So whatever happened, I always ran for
that because that would never let me down.
1288
01:32:28,410 --> 01:32:30,435
Come on, Dorothy!
Come on!
1289
01:32:34,382 --> 01:32:37,613
I hated doing The Wiz,
I did not want to do it.
1290
01:32:37,786 --> 01:32:39,777
Sidney knew that. I didn't like the music.
1291
01:32:39,954 --> 01:32:42,446
-Didn't like script.
-Referred to it as "polishing shit."
1292
01:32:42,757 --> 01:32:45,522
Quincy knows how to handle that.
I can't do that.
1293
01:32:45,693 --> 01:32:49,891
In a way, something was offended in him,
I think by the...
1294
01:32:50,065 --> 01:32:51,555
Quincy has a stone face.
1295
01:32:51,733 --> 01:32:55,931
By the lack of musical sophistication.
The lack of real musical bite in that score.
1296
01:32:56,104 --> 01:32:57,799
I'm Ahmet Ertegun.
1297
01:32:57,972 --> 01:32:59,531
Chairman of Atlantic Records.
1298
01:32:59,707 --> 01:33:01,106
Quincy has...
1299
01:33:01,276 --> 01:33:03,142
...a very keen sense...
1300
01:33:03,311 --> 01:33:06,246
...of what the public
is going to like.
1301
01:33:06,414 --> 01:33:10,817
But that doesn't always coincide
with what he really likes himself.
1302
01:33:11,653 --> 01:33:14,054
You have to have a mask, invisible.
1303
01:33:14,289 --> 01:33:15,586
If I hadn't done The Wiz...
1304
01:33:15,757 --> 01:33:17,691
...I wouldn't have worked with Michael.
1305
01:33:17,859 --> 01:33:19,623
Whatever he has to do, he does it.
1306
01:33:19,794 --> 01:33:22,786
So it's strange, the way it works out.
1307
01:33:27,936 --> 01:33:31,600
When we were getting ready to do
Michael's first album...
1308
01:33:31,773 --> 01:33:34,936
...an Epic solo album, Off the Wall...
1309
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:37,772
...most people at Epic
didn't think that I was the right guy.
1310
01:33:41,583 --> 01:33:43,278
He stays in touch, he stays in tune.
1311
01:33:44,786 --> 01:33:46,413
They thought it would be too jazzy.
1312
01:33:46,588 --> 01:33:49,922
He was classified as a jazz arranger,
a jazz producer.
1313
01:33:50,091 --> 01:33:51,581
I didn't have a track record...
1314
01:33:51,759 --> 01:33:56,219
...in making a lot of dance records
outside of the Brothers Johnson.
1315
01:33:56,397 --> 01:34:00,197
I was under the impression that he
was a jazz player or something like that.
1316
01:34:06,307 --> 01:34:09,004
He knows what he has to do
and he doesn't mind doing it.
1317
01:34:09,577 --> 01:34:11,204
I wasn't really aware...
1318
01:34:11,379 --> 01:34:16,180
...of everything he did until, I think,
after the Michael Jackson mania blew up.
1319
01:34:16,784 --> 01:34:19,185
You have to be another person.
1320
01:34:19,654 --> 01:34:21,349
I'm stuck with this one.
1321
01:34:28,129 --> 01:34:29,358
Creativity...
1322
01:34:29,531 --> 01:34:30,692
It's ragged, I'll get it.
1323
01:34:30,865 --> 01:34:33,960
...implies an ability to change.
1324
01:34:34,135 --> 01:34:35,830
I love changing.
1325
01:34:39,641 --> 01:34:42,975
-We did Thriller and Bad.
-Off the Wall and Bad.
1326
01:34:43,745 --> 01:34:46,737
Quincy's good for the music business.
1327
01:34:46,915 --> 01:34:49,680
On the black side and on the other side.
1328
01:34:49,851 --> 01:34:53,879
All my life, I wanted to see an entertainer
like Michael really do his thing...
1329
01:34:54,055 --> 01:34:56,922
...with no limitations, no boundaries.
1330
01:34:58,860 --> 01:35:01,329
No preconceived ideas about
what he should do.
1331
01:35:01,496 --> 01:35:03,089
How far he should go or anything.
1332
01:35:03,264 --> 01:35:05,596
Michael was able to communicate...
1333
01:35:05,767 --> 01:35:09,226
...with a lot of white people
that would have never...
1334
01:35:09,404 --> 01:35:11,372
... thought about
a Michael Jackson before.
1335
01:35:11,539 --> 01:35:14,634
He's showing a lot of black people,
"Look, man...
1336
01:35:14,809 --> 01:35:18,905
...if I can do this, then you can too."
1337
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:22,414
Selling the music, selling the person.
1338
01:35:25,687 --> 01:35:26,813
Quincy knows all that.
1339
01:35:26,988 --> 01:35:32,893
It was developing Michael as a major,
major international musical...
1340
01:35:33,061 --> 01:35:34,790
...and entertaining force.
1341
01:35:51,312 --> 01:35:54,612
This is the first time kids around the world
ever had a black hero.
1342
01:35:54,782 --> 01:35:57,717
He transcended how far
a black artist can go.
1343
01:35:57,885 --> 01:36:01,822
We just wanted to be real innovative,
but melody was very important.
1344
01:36:01,990 --> 01:36:03,890
We just wanted to make magic.
1345
01:36:10,565 --> 01:36:13,500
We were lucky enough
to have our stuff together.
1346
01:36:13,668 --> 01:36:15,864
Songs, the right artist, who was Smelly...
1347
01:36:16,037 --> 01:36:18,301
...and on top of that
we had a great vehicle...
1348
01:36:18,473 --> 01:36:19,599
...which was video.
1349
01:36:19,774 --> 01:36:21,264
We had seven top-10 singles.
1350
01:36:21,442 --> 01:36:24,241
Quincy just shot him off the launch pad.
1351
01:36:24,412 --> 01:36:26,938
Thriller sold 40 million albums.
1352
01:36:27,115 --> 01:36:29,982
And the producer of the year is
Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson.
1353
01:36:30,151 --> 01:36:32,643
The record of the year is "Beat It,"
Michael Jackson.
1354
01:36:32,820 --> 01:36:34,447
Thriller, Quincy Jones, producer.
1355
01:36:34,622 --> 01:36:37,023
One of the greatest entertainers
of the 20th century.
1356
01:36:37,191 --> 01:36:39,091
I mean it from all my heart.
1357
01:36:46,401 --> 01:36:48,927
And I'd like to thank everybody
I thanked before...
1358
01:36:49,103 --> 01:36:51,128
...my family and mainly the public...
1359
01:36:51,306 --> 01:36:53,297
...that made this thing happen.
1360
01:36:57,278 --> 01:36:59,576
All of the forces and it--
This is when...
1361
01:36:59,747 --> 01:37:03,149
...a person that doesn't believe
in a higher power...
1362
01:37:03,618 --> 01:37:07,020
...has got to be a little bent,
because there are too many things...
1363
01:37:07,188 --> 01:37:10,055
...that came together for that
to just be an accident.
1364
01:37:17,632 --> 01:37:18,929
Thank you.
1365
01:37:35,883 --> 01:37:38,511
You just consider the whole world
a part of your dream...
1366
01:37:38,686 --> 01:37:44,318
...and you just conveniently turn off
what's uncomfortable to you...
1367
01:37:44,492 --> 01:37:46,221
...and you ignore it, you neglect it.
1368
01:37:46,394 --> 01:37:48,488
Oh, man.
1369
01:37:50,998 --> 01:37:52,830
Jesus Christ.
1370
01:37:55,303 --> 01:37:59,365
We're gonna bring back
brother James Ingram...
1371
01:37:59,807 --> 01:38:01,332
...to talk to you about...
1372
01:38:01,509 --> 01:38:04,035
...how to hold on to your lady.
1373
01:38:06,047 --> 01:38:07,208
I got lost.
1374
01:38:07,482 --> 01:38:11,043
My home life was falling apart...
1375
01:38:11,219 --> 01:38:13,313
...and it's not working too well...
1376
01:38:13,488 --> 01:38:15,957
...and I think it was at the crisis state.
1377
01:38:16,124 --> 01:38:17,614
My wife...
1378
01:38:17,792 --> 01:38:22,457
...who chose to take care of me,
rather than pursue her own career...
1379
01:38:22,630 --> 01:38:24,428
...and our family and I love her.
1380
01:38:26,467 --> 01:38:32,031
That really saddened me
when that marriage broke up.
1381
01:38:32,206 --> 01:38:34,607
Until this last.
1382
01:38:35,276 --> 01:38:39,804
This divorce, you know,
from my third marriage, really, you know...
1383
01:38:39,981 --> 01:38:43,474
...it affected me very strongly,
emotionally.
1384
01:38:43,651 --> 01:38:46,450
It made me have to reassess...
1385
01:38:46,621 --> 01:38:48,089
...my essence as a human being.
1386
01:38:51,759 --> 01:38:57,630
He didn't see things coming
until they were right on top of him.
1387
01:38:57,799 --> 01:39:02,134
Usually, I've been so involved
in my work that ! just...
1388
01:39:02,303 --> 01:39:05,637
...keep in motion without thinking
about too many other things.
1389
01:39:06,140 --> 01:39:09,701
And just along the way,
so many things that--
1390
01:39:19,420 --> 01:39:21,718
Oh, God, it's been so long...
1391
01:39:29,230 --> 01:39:31,096
I lost my point again.
1392
01:39:31,265 --> 01:39:34,030
You keep veering off,
going to other things.
1393
01:39:34,202 --> 01:39:35,931
There's so much association
there.
1394
01:39:36,103 --> 01:39:39,630
Everything starts with one thing
and it's just like a chain association.
1395
01:39:39,807 --> 01:39:41,969
It's a dream deprived,
that you can't dream...
1396
01:39:42,143 --> 01:39:44,009
...and so I hadn't dreamed
for 10 months.
1397
01:39:44,178 --> 01:39:47,148
Everything you think about
just goes off into 17 tributaries.
1398
01:39:47,315 --> 01:39:48,510
What does it mean?
1399
01:39:48,683 --> 01:39:51,277
I didn't realize how heavy it was, so...
1400
01:39:51,452 --> 01:39:53,546
...I think he tried to keep it...
1401
01:39:53,721 --> 01:39:55,450
I don't think anybody did...
1402
01:39:55,623 --> 01:39:59,685
-...until he had to go away.
- I couldn't look at myself in the mirror.
1403
01:39:59,861 --> 01:40:03,957
Couldn't look at myself. I had eyes, like--
So, what happens, you turn on yourself.
1404
01:40:04,131 --> 01:40:05,530
And you get schizophrenic.
1405
01:40:05,700 --> 01:40:08,192
I was supposed to go into
Michael's album...
1406
01:40:08,369 --> 01:40:09,768
Nobody was there, you know?
1407
01:40:09,937 --> 01:40:11,996
The doctor came to me and said.
1408
01:40:12,173 --> 01:40:14,039
A nervous breakdown.
1409
01:40:14,208 --> 01:40:16,108
I looked in your eyes.
You've got problems."
1410
01:40:16,277 --> 01:40:18,405
He said,
"You have an adrenal syndrome."
1411
01:40:18,579 --> 01:40:22,948
A whole tunnel opened up in the sky,
and it was white and gold.
1412
01:40:23,117 --> 01:40:26,917
It went all the way up to heaven. It was
scary. My soul left my body over there.
1413
01:40:27,522 --> 01:40:29,456
It really did, man. I swear to God.
1414
01:40:29,624 --> 01:40:33,720
There's these clinics, mental homes. Swear
to God. I was ready to go. That was it.
1415
01:40:33,895 --> 01:40:37,092
-I'll spend my life in one of these funny farms.
-When he went to Tahiti.
1416
01:40:37,265 --> 01:40:41,827
You're out of control. I couldn't write.
Totally incoherent. Could not get it together
1417
01:40:42,003 --> 01:40:43,368
It was a strange postcard.
1418
01:40:46,173 --> 01:40:50,508
He told us how much he missed us,
how much he loved us...
1419
01:40:50,678 --> 01:40:54,876
...and that he'd been trying to write
this card for 10 days.
1420
01:40:55,316 --> 01:40:58,718
And I thought, "Boy, you know...
1421
01:40:58,886 --> 01:41:01,480
...he must really be having a hard time."
1422
01:41:02,924 --> 01:41:08,226
And so that's a real dramatic change from
coming out of, you know...
1423
01:41:08,396 --> 01:41:12,026
...Thriller, We are the World, and
The Color Purple and everything else...
1424
01:41:12,199 --> 01:41:14,531
...right straight to that,
it was like God...
1425
01:41:14,702 --> 01:41:16,101
...making you pay attention.
1426
01:41:16,270 --> 01:41:18,068
They did tell him to slow down.
1427
01:41:18,239 --> 01:41:20,105
And I do worry...
1428
01:41:24,445 --> 01:41:27,073
...because I don't want him to go away.
1429
01:41:32,853 --> 01:41:35,117
I was looking for a truth
to pull me through this.
1430
01:41:35,289 --> 01:41:38,088
And it had made me totally...
1431
01:41:38,259 --> 01:41:41,388
...reassess how I want
to spend the rest of my life.
1432
01:41:42,063 --> 01:41:43,861
My father...
1433
01:41:44,031 --> 01:41:48,559
...his thing was about,
you know, your inner pride.
1434
01:41:48,869 --> 01:41:52,066
He kind of wrote the chord changes...
1435
01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:54,037
...and he kind of left it up to us...
1436
01:41:54,208 --> 01:41:56,040
...to write the lyrics.
1437
01:41:56,210 --> 01:41:59,441
Put yourself together.
He used to say a thing to us all the time...
1438
01:41:59,981 --> 01:42:02,882
...that my brother and I remember.
At the time, it used to be...
1439
01:42:04,218 --> 01:42:05,276
...a pain in the butt.
1440
01:42:05,453 --> 01:42:09,014
But later on, he used to say...
1441
01:42:10,925 --> 01:42:12,256
He had a little saying.
1442
01:42:12,426 --> 01:42:14,724
He said, "If the task is once begun...
1443
01:42:14,895 --> 01:42:17,262
...never leave it until it's done.
1444
01:42:17,431 --> 01:42:19,229
Be the tabor great or small...
1445
01:42:20,067 --> 01:42:21,660
...do it well or not at all."
1446
01:42:21,836 --> 01:42:23,565
And he always told us that,
you know?
1447
01:42:23,738 --> 01:42:25,934
It's just about
never half-stepping at anything.
1448
01:42:26,407 --> 01:42:27,932
Get up.
1449
01:42:36,417 --> 01:42:38,408
We expected a great album.
1450
01:42:38,586 --> 01:42:39,985
I picture...
1451
01:42:40,154 --> 01:42:42,418
But what we got was even beyond that.
1452
01:42:42,590 --> 01:42:44,422
...myself...
1453
01:42:44,659 --> 01:42:46,127
...not...
1454
01:42:47,461 --> 01:42:49,486
...So myopic.
1455
01:42:50,364 --> 01:42:51,832
Quincy.
1456
01:42:53,134 --> 01:42:56,502
I picture myself not so myopic about...
1457
01:42:59,707 --> 01:43:03,644
...what my work is about
that my life...
1458
01:43:03,811 --> 01:43:05,301
...gets sacrificed all the time.
1459
01:43:08,949 --> 01:43:11,975
My life gets sacrificed all the time.
! used to do that.
1460
01:43:12,153 --> 01:43:14,645
I didn't care about
anything but work, all the time.
1461
01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:21,424
All the time.
I think that I'm finding...
1462
01:43:22,596 --> 01:43:25,156
...out about what the joy
of balancing the two things...
1463
01:43:25,332 --> 01:43:26,766
Are we all making him a card?
1464
01:43:26,934 --> 01:43:30,165
I don't know.
I guess we should just-- We should just...
1465
01:43:41,082 --> 01:43:42,413
Thank you.
1466
01:43:47,288 --> 01:43:51,816
Balancing the two things,
allow yourself to have joy in your life.
1467
01:43:52,059 --> 01:43:54,994
My name is Jolie Jones-Levine
and I love you.
1468
01:43:58,399 --> 01:44:03,200
My name is Quincy D., III,
and I'm 21 and happy birthday, Dude.
1469
01:44:03,370 --> 01:44:05,236
I'm Rachel. I'm only 26.
1470
01:44:06,073 --> 01:44:08,565
Oh, yeah. My name is Kidada.
I'm almost 16.
1471
01:44:08,743 --> 01:44:10,837
Happy birthday, Daddy.
1472
01:44:15,816 --> 01:44:18,615
I'm Rashida Leah Jones.
1473
01:44:18,786 --> 01:44:21,721
I'm Tina Jones and I'm 23.
1474
01:44:24,125 --> 01:44:26,025
Allow yourself to have joy.
1475
01:44:26,193 --> 01:44:28,525
That also will affect how your work is.
1476
01:44:28,696 --> 01:44:30,221
This album, Back on the Block...
1477
01:44:30,397 --> 01:44:33,526
...is the project that all my life
I've dreamed about.
1478
01:44:33,834 --> 01:44:37,293
I'm changing, in a changing process now
the last four years.
1479
01:44:43,944 --> 01:44:45,434
The last four years.
1480
01:44:45,613 --> 01:44:48,310
And it's like a realignment
of everything else that...
1481
01:44:54,955 --> 01:44:56,218
It's like a realignment...
1482
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:59,018
...the way I remembered everything.
1483
01:45:00,361 --> 01:45:02,625
Look at this. I remember this.
1484
01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:04,693
I remember this so well.
1485
01:45:09,370 --> 01:45:12,101
That the way I remembered everything
it's becoming...
1486
01:45:15,142 --> 01:45:18,772
I guess it was my 5th birthday party.
1487
01:45:19,980 --> 01:45:21,709
There was a cake, a birthday cake.
1488
01:45:21,882 --> 01:45:23,714
A coconut cake.
1489
01:45:24,385 --> 01:45:26,979
And my mother,
she threw it off the back porch.
1490
01:45:30,291 --> 01:45:31,622
Oh, boy.
1491
01:45:37,665 --> 01:45:39,861
There was hair all over it,
coconut hair all over it.
1492
01:45:40,034 --> 01:45:43,698
I didn't understand it. I didn't understand
why she did it, you know?
1493
01:45:44,905 --> 01:45:47,966
And you know what's funny?
I hate coconut.
1494
01:45:48,375 --> 01:45:50,275
And who are you, mister?
1495
01:45:55,149 --> 01:45:58,949
I am a 57-year-old happy,
happy person...
1496
01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:03,750
...to be blessed by so many beautiful people
in my heart and in my life.
1497
01:46:12,466 --> 01:46:16,733
I couldn't understand it. I didn't understand
what was wrong. It was a birthday cake.
1498
01:46:18,172 --> 01:46:21,608
At the time, it was dancing in my head,
you know, a lot.
1499
01:46:22,743 --> 01:46:25,041
At one point, I stopped thinking
about myself...
1500
01:46:25,212 --> 01:46:28,147
...and I started thinking about her
and how much she loved us.
1501
01:46:31,852 --> 01:46:33,786
I got it, you know?
1502
01:46:34,221 --> 01:46:35,814
It was real late but I got it.
1503
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:40,291
Maybe because he was
Quincy Jones, a musician person...
1504
01:46:40,461 --> 01:46:45,490
...I wanted him to be that kind of father,
and you just can't.
1505
01:46:45,666 --> 01:46:49,193
I just love it when people tell me,
"Oh, Quincy Jones, that's your father?
1506
01:46:49,370 --> 01:46:50,929
Oh, he's great."
1507
01:46:51,105 --> 01:46:53,267
And I'm very proud of what he does.
1508
01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:58,241
And the things he's made possible
for the world and for me.
1509
01:47:35,983 --> 01:47:38,645
Tell you what. At the end of that,
with what's happening...
1510
01:47:38,819 --> 01:47:41,914
...can you say,
"They still believe in love, sweet love"?
1511
01:47:42,756 --> 01:47:47,091
They still believe in love, sweet love.
1512
01:47:48,329 --> 01:47:51,060
-Incredible. Incredible.
-Have mercy.
1513
01:47:51,231 --> 01:47:52,426
Here we go.
1513
01:47:53,305 --> 01:48:53,409
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