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A former German colonel
dreams of a coup d'état...

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The special forces
need to be sent into Berlin

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to really straighten things out.

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Extreme right-wingers
are going to the front,

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some of them fighting for Ukraine,

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some of them for Russia.

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Yes, I'm a Nazi.

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A Nazi.

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American veterans are joining
extreme right-wing groups.

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OK, get back in, Sir.

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Any further description?
Is there an additional shooter?

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The threat of far-right terrorism
is growing worldwide.

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They spread propaganda
on the Internet.

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Among them are many ex-soldiers
and veterans.

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They're not veterans, we are!

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Officer down!

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The whole front
of the federal building is gone.

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We're supposed to have at least
25 to 30 children in this area,

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we've only found about four or five.

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We need a police dog, please.

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Our deadliest modern
domestic terrorist incident

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{\an5}was perpetrated by a small cell
of military veterans

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with combat experience.

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In 1995,

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Iraq War veteran Timothy McVeigh

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killed 168 people,

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including 19 children.

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This is something
that happens in places

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like Beirut. It's not something
that's supposed to happen...

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at home,

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but it has.

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{\an5}One interesting aspect of...

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{\an5}those who carried out
the Oklahoma City bombing

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{\an5}is that they were in the military
and received combat training,

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and Timothy McVeigh used some
of that to build this truck bomb.

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McVeigh later said,

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"Lots of people ask me,
Tim, isn't this a paradox?

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In the Gulf War, you received medals
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The topic of radicalisation

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and the military
is completely radioactive.

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These people have
counterintelligence training,

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counterinsurgency training.

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They understand how to unnerve
and destabilise an enemy.

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So of course, it's a serious threat.

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We're here this morning to announce
the arrest of Sarah Clendaniel

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and Brandon Russell.

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Clendaniel and Russell
conspired and took steps

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to shoot
multiple electrical substations

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in the Baltimore area,

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aiming to quote "completely destroy
this whole city".

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The FBI says Brandon Russell

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planned to open fire
on electrical substations

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around Baltimore,
which is 62% Black.

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Their aim: to spark chaos

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and a race war.

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One of the terrorists
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in Maryland was also a soldier once.

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Why do former,
and sometimes even active soldiers,

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become extreme-right fanatics?

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{\an5}Scott Payne
also exposed soldiers

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{\an5}in the extreme right-wing scene
as an undercover FBI agent.

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I had been in a group
called The Base.

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I'm told to download the wire app,
told to contact Roman Wolfe.

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It was clear that Roman Wolfe
was the leader.

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We knew that he
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contracted in
the Department of Justice.

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I knew he was former army intel.

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I ended up doing an interview
with a panel.

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"What can you help us train on?"

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That was huge for The Base.

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I ended up going
with hand-to-hand combat.

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They wanted military people.
That was what the whole pitch was.

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"We're a survivalist group."

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In The Base,
they had like one folder,

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and it was called RaHoWa 14,
was the name of the file,

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so "racial holy war".

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It is file after file.

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It might be read Turner Diaries.

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It might be
a dated US Marine Corps manual.

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It might be
how to shut down infrastructure.

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So there was a few members
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If you've developed those beliefs,

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maybe you developed them
in the military.

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Maybe the unit you were in
was segregated.

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And then that just starts
pushing you down that hole.

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Emily Oneschuk was also in the army,

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just like her father before her.

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Her brother Andrew was part
of a right-wing terror cell

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that was led by
soldier Brandon Russell.

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Emily fought for a long time

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to get her brother out of the scene,

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but he was killed in the end.

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The army never prepared her
for something like that.

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So, my great grandfather
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and my grandfather
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My dad was... a navy pilot,

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uncle was a navy pilot,
godfather was a navy pilot.

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Andrew, his whole life, had
only ever wanted to be a soldier.

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When he was 16,
Emily's brother contacted

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the then right-wing Azov Brigade
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He even gave an interview
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Today, we have
a live discussion with Andrew.

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He's an American nationalist.

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Does it feel to you

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that America has started
to become more degenerated?

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They want people to have

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friendly opinions toward immigrants,
get rid of our borders

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and bring an infinite amount
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The biggest moment of crisis,
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was when Andrew told her
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with Azov in Ukraine.

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He had funnelled money
out of a PayPal account.

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On the same day
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he got a fake passport
off the dark web.

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He had all my dad's old gear
from Iraq.

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My mum, she's driving him home
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he could drive at the time,

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but he was ready
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He told my mum, "Hey,

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just so you know,
I'm going to go fight in Ukraine

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and I have a ticket,
and here's my ride".

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I think he got cold feet.

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RIGA, LATVIA

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Russian neo-Nazis
are also fighting in Ukraine.

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A reporter from Moscow,
now in exile,

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has been researching them
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When I found myself reporting
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I encountered the same people

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who I knew
from the Russian neo-Nazi circles

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popping up in Ukraine.

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They cooperate
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they mingle with each other
even as they continue to fight.

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One says that Ukraine is closer

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to the neo-Nazi ideals,

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that Ukraine is the real Reich,

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and the other says no,
Putin is the real Führer,

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and the real Reich is in Russia.

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The difference was always about

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where the capital
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whether it should be Moscow or Kyiv.

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Otherwise, it's pretty much
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It was probably a couple of hundreds

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of neo-Nazi figures from Russia

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who settled down in Ukraine.

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By far,
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is Sergei Korotkikh.

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He helped to form
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that ever existed in Russia,

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known as NSO-Nord.

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They became a murderous gang,

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which killed many, many people,

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primarily migrants.

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To which extent he was involved
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but he was...

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trained in the crack troops

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of the Belarusian
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He knows how to kill.

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Korotkikh was let go,

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and he went to Ukraine

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and became
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in Azov Battalion.

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He was famously granted
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by President Poroshenko.

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Neo-Nazis were also fighting
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including a man who leads
the Russitsch mercenary army.

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- was pretty openly neo-Nazi.
- Yes, Nazi.

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Yes, Nazi.

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They still promote

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extreme violence and sadism,

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and, in that sense,
they remain neo-Nazi.

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They call themselves nationalists,

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but they are internationalists.

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They want to spread their ideology

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across many nations.

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It doesn't matter
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it's all the same to them.

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It's a movement which strives
to unite the entire white race

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from North America
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authorities also have
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Waffenkraft was
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in France.

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There was a moment of upheaval

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in the Waffenkraft group

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when Alexandre Gilet joined them.

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He had entered the army in 2015.

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and became the group's leader.

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Gauthier was another member
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who was 18 years old at the time,

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and his father
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So each of them either had
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or a fascination with the army
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During the weekend
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they got together in a forest
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where they practised shooting

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were warned by one of the members

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of the Waffenkraft group

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that an attack was being planned

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that was highly dangerous.

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While the leader of the group
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the police arrested all the members.

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{\an5}He wanted to emulate
Islamist terrorist attacks.

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{\an5}He was also inspired
by right-wing terrorists.

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One of them was Brenton Tarrant,

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who murdered 51 people

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in New Zealand.

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Gilet was put before a judge
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by Brenton Tarrant,

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and he said, "It could've been me".

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The Islamist attack

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on the Bataclan Club in Paris

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in 2015 was another model

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for Alexandre Gilet.

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Alexandre Gilet had told

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one of the other members
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that he wanted to do worse
than the Bataclan.

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According to him,
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with over 50 deaths.

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In his declaration of war

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and during his hearing
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he was following what Breivik
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attacking those in power,
which meant Jews.

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Norwegian right-wing terrorist

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Anders Breivik
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mostly youths - in 2011,

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which Gilet lauded
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The extreme-right ex-soldier

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was ultimately sentenced
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In 2017, in Germany,

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an officer of a scouting unit
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Franco Albrecht,
who had been trained

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at an elite army university

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for officers in France.

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He was planning
terrorist attacks in Germany.

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I can definitely assure you
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a right-wing extremist.

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Franco Albrecht was scouting

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the parking garage of a foundation

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working for migrant rights.

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He wrote down registration plates
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A Federal Army officer
has been leading a double life.

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He had assumed the identity
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hoarded weapons

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and created a list with the names
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The 33-year-old defendant

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must now serve five-and-a-half years
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Franco Albrecht is not
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in a European army

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to be suspected of being
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BARCELONA, SPAIN

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In Spain, there was
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Within the Spanish army,

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there was a movement

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called Citizens in Uniform.

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They found this captain,
Antonio Meroño Jiménez.

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He was instructor
at the General Academy

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for Air Force Officials in Madrid.

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He was an admirer of Hitler.

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He was carrying
all the Nazi paraphernalia

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in demonstrations.

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He was in official parades

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doing this sign, the SS.

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They began to look
at the social chats

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and found out that he was given,

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as a birthday present
by his comrades,

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a real Iron Cross of the Wehrmacht.

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Citizens in Uniform,

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they went
into some member of parliament

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and said, "Please show this

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to the Minister of Defence".

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More than 100 pages of evidence,

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of photographs, of documents

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and what did
the Ministry of Defence do?

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Nothing.

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I gave my information
to the Euro Parliament

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and several members
of parliament there

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asked the main
NATO commanding officer...

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No answer.

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Later, he was upgraded.

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He got a very special position

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in the main jet fighters base

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in Spain...

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where you have the top gun academy

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for the NATO forces in that base.

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He's chief intelligence officer.

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He not only has access
to all that...

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He gives clearance to other people

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to have access
to all that secret NATO documents.

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All of us are demanding
the Spanish government

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to take it seriously,

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and they say they take it seriously.

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But of course they are lying,

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they are just scared.

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They don't want to have
any problems with the military.

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The word is appeasement.

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This passiveness had consequences.

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What I found out were chats

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with officers
that were ranking officers

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within the armed forces,
who are Nazi,

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and they were openly talking about

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that they should go back into power.

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They even discussed in plans

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to bomb the Catalan parliament,

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saying, "I really want
to divert fighter jet

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and bomb their parliament".

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They even shared in that chats

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a petition to Trump

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when he was president
of the United States,

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asking the United States

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to throw down
the Spanish government.

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Extreme-right soldiers,
veterans and police officers...

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{\an5}It is a particularly huge problem
in the United States.

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{\an5}The country has waged
many wars in recent decades.

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For years, sociologist Peter Simi

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has researched the right-wing
extremist scene.

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SOCIOLOGIST

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{\an5}One of the most effective way
to study white supremacists

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is to spend time
with people in natural settings.

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I eventually lived with a family
in Southern California.

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The husband was playing
in a white supremacist band.

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They had three young children

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and I babysat their kids.

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Probably about a year
into the field work,

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I showed up
at my main contact's home,

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and this stranger opened the door.

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I remember Page being,
from the get-go,

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quite... friendly.

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He explained to me
how he got radicalised

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during his time in the military.

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At Fort Bragg, he met somebody
who was already a neo-Nazi.

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That person introduced him
to white power music,

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gave him literature,

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violence is ever kind of present.

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What we do know is,
with a culture like this

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that promotes, encourages violence,
there will be violence.

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The complicated part
is trying to figure out

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which one is going to act on what
the culture says you should do.

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Page decided to leave California.

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He moved elsewhere
and ended up in Milwaukee,

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where there is also
a very large Sikh community.

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My grandparents were ex-military

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and then farmers.
The day-to-day grind

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of working the field,

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it's a very difficult life.

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There was a lot of reasons
to leave at that time.

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SON OF A TERRORISM VICTIM

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And I think about my parents,
the bravery

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that they must have to come over.

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My father worked
at a factory for a while.

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My mother also worked for
three dollars an hour, four an hour.

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I watched them struggle.

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You know, when they let,

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I think the real number is 15,
16 million people into our country,

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they're poisoning the blood of our
country. That's what they've done.

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Pardeep's parents

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helped to create
the Sikh community in Milwaukee.

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At that time, we could just drop
our kids off at the temple.

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That particular morning,

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I wanted just to get my daughter
to Sunday school

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and run some errands, and as soon
as we got to the freeway,

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she's kind of, like, "Dad...

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I forgot my notebook at the house".

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I didn't want her to get in trouble,

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so we did turn around,

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and one of the most vivid memories
that I have of that day

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is this joyous six-year-old

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who's got a smile,

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she realises that she's a priority.

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We get onto the freeway

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and we start to see those squad cars

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driving by us.

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There is shooting in this...

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OK, did anybody get hit, Sir?

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Right outside the temple,

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that's when the police officer
was barricading it off

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and he lets us know that

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there's been a shooting.

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A bald male with glasses
may have shot someone.

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Wade Page, armed
with a 9-mm handgun, earbuds in,

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walked into a Sikh temple

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in Oak Creek, Wisconsin,

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and opened fire.

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Hello?

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And killed six individuals.

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My dad,

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he was able to fight off

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this white supremacist gunman
with a butter knife,

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and...

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he unfortunately lost that battle.

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When he exited the temple,

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Page was using the car as a shield.

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You'd think the military training
would come into play there.

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Methodically shooting.

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- Officer down.
- The officer also wounded Page,

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hit him in the stomach.

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00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,360
Page went down
and then shot himself in the head.

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00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:31,080
The terrorist attack
changed the community

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00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,640
and Pardeep Kaleka's family forever.

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Ten years after the attack,

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00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,840
his daughter addressed
the murderer, Wade Page.

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00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:43,280
Wade Michael Page,

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1971 to 2012.

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00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,640
Army veteran, neo-Nazi, monster,

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a ticking time bomb of rage.

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From American patriot
to American terrorist,

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with trauma
beyond their brain's boundaries,

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fighting war after war,

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this time, the racial holy war.

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A pseudo-religion

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for the "white cause"
is the description for it.

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Page, he said, "Look,
things are upside-down

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in the military. He started seeing
that Blacks were getting promotions

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over whites
when they didn't deserve it.

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What he told me was,
if you don't go into the army

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as a racist,
you're sure to come out as one.

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We go back to the founding
of the Ku Klux Klan

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after the US Civil War,
founded by...

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former Confederate officers.

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Every point in time in US history,

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00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:36,160
if you look at the US military,

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there's been the presence
of white supremacists.

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I wanted to be in the military
my entire life.

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00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,240
It was the only thing
I ever planned on doing.

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00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,960
I joined the army to kill people.

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00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,000
Joined the army to kill Iraqis,
to kill Muslims.

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00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:58,280
I want to state that...

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00:21:58,480 --> 00:21:59,680
Kris Goldsmith,

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00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,520
a veteran of the last Iraq war,
almost joined

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00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:04,520
extremist groups after years

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of disorientation.

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00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,960
But he turned
his life around in time

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00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,440
and is now fighting
on a different front.

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00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,320
I've chosen for...

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this part of my life,
my career is hunting Nazis.

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00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,360
Like, if you're filled with rage,
that's a pretty good job,

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00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,880
fighting back against neo-Nazis,

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00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:27,360
for myself,
for my family, for my friends,

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00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:29,280
for every other American.

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00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,240
It helps me

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00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,320
makes sense of...

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00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:36,600
the anger.

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00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,160
Chris Buckley, a veteran
of the Afghanistan War,

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00:22:43,360 --> 00:22:46,560
joined a Ku Klux Klan branch
after his own service.

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00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,160
He managed to get out and now helps

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00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:51,920
other extremists
to leave the organisation.

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00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,520
I'll always be angry.

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Once you go through combat

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and you experience the hell of war,

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00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,440
there's no forgetting it.

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00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,000
I know what it feels like
to be in the darkness.

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00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,720
What it's like to have your demons
wake you up in the night,

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00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:13,080
rattling the f*cking chains,
you know?

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00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,120
Buckley suffered
for a long time from an injury

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that he got
from his time in the army.

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He consumed drugs as a result.

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00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:23,920
He is now clean

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and only smokes
his own whiskey.

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00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,040
But he has come a very long way.

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The doctor writes me a prescription

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00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,040
for 180 OxyContin, 80 mg,

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with three refills a month.

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I would make a pocket in my shirt

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and pour out a couple of pills
in the shirt and just eat them.

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00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,480
Eventually,

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00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,760
I realised that, if I crushed them,
I could snort them.

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00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,280
You're in active addiction.

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My kids are getting
a little older,

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00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,320
can't take care of bills at home,

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00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:58,920
support my drug addiction.

477
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:00,960
You're just, you're drowning.

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00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,920
So a lot of people think "KKK".

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00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:09,120
They think torches
and burning crosses, right?

480
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,360
It's nothing like that,
in the beginning.

481
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:13,880
Just like any other gang,

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00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:15,720
they're involved in the drug trade.

483
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,320
It was like, "Hey man,
I know you're struggling.

484
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,480
Here's a box of clothes,
a couple of bags of groceries".

485
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,000
But what it is,
it's a recruitment technique.

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00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,560
So... I start to attend barbecues.

487
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,680
Now I start to hear
this perverted version

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of Christianity.

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00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,400
I start to buy into it,
because I'm a junkie.

490
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,560
My mind doesn't work right.
My heart's black as coal.

491
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,840
Buckley even took his son with him
to Ku Klux Klan events.

492
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,800
Because of my experience
with weapons and tacticalness,

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00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:54,720
being able to train, I started out
as what they call a night hawk,

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00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,640
which is the security section
of the KKK.

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00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,720
I was really good at that.

496
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,400
I was living
the lifestyle of violence,

497
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:11,200
sex, drugs,

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00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,840
like I was a rock star.

499
00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:22,640
With the mindset of having been

500
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,200
deeply personally betrayed
by the government,

501
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:28,920
I found myself with nothing to do.

502
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,800
I spent a tonne of time
on the Internet.

503
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,000
Just before I deployed to Iraq,
I remember being told that the order

504
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,120
had come down: "We're not looking
for weapons of mass destruction".

505
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,960
The whole reason
that I was there was based on a lie.

506
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,360
I went from the Iraq Wars,
based on a lie,

507
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,040
to 9/11 was an inside job,

508
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:52,440
like the algorithmic rabbit hole.

509
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,520
Well, I've been warning you
about it for at least five years.

510
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,480
All terrorism that we've looked at
has been government actions.

511
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,680
They're using provocateur Arabs
and allowing them to do it.

512
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,480
The evidence is overwhelming.

513
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,000
Now,

514
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,360
I've become basically
an anti-government extremist

515
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,080
and a conspiracy theorist.

516
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,680
Thankfully, I didn't have
older Nazis

517
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,480
pushing me
in a more harmful direction,

518
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:23,800
because with that anger
that I carried, I...

519
00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:26,760
was in a state
where I was easy to manipulate.

520
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,760
There's no shortage
of people that are suffering.

521
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,400
There's no shortage
of people that are angry.

522
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,960
When you can tie their suffering
to your cause

523
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,080
and provide relief -

524
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:44,800
got him, hook, line and sinker.

525
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,160
Find the need.

526
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,080
Find the injury.

527
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:50,840
Exploit it.

528
00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:52,160
Take care of it.

529
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:54,840
It's slowly indoctrinating.

530
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,280
It's all about
where you're harvested, right?

531
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,080
I loved targeting veterans,
because I could identify with them.

532
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,680
The probabilities of being able
for a veteran recruiter

533
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,280
to bring in another veteran
are 10 times higher than

534
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,440
somebody that's not a veteran
bringing in another non-veteran.

535
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,360
I grew up
in the global war on terror.

536
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,440
That was my whole upbringing.

537
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,840
I watched my dad go off
to Iraq and Afghanistan.

538
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,080
I wanted to know, like,
"Why are we there?"

539
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,480
Then he's like,
"It's just a money pit".

540
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:36,600
Just a money pit.

541
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,160
And I thought,
once I got there and I saw things,

542
00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:41,920
like, everything would make sense,

543
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:44,480
these wars we've been fighting
for 20 years wouldn't be in vain,

544
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,840
and the lives we lost and the lives
we took, it would all make sense.

545
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:49,240
And the more and more I saw,

546
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,200
the less and less
everything made sense.

547
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,040
The only time I've incurred violence

548
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,920
is because of things
that were existing

549
00:27:57,120 --> 00:27:58,840
within our own country
that we never talk about,

550
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,280
like this wild hypocrisy

551
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,120
that I was living in.

552
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:06,280
I think there's plenty at home
we need to take care of right now.

553
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,400
Like other countries,
the United States also received

554
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,640
early warnings
about extreme-right veterans

555
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:14,400
and soldiers.

556
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,800
In January of 2007,

557
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,080
{\an5}we received a call
from the Capitol Police,

558
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,360
{\an5}stating that there
was a young senator

559
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,040
who was African-American,

560
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,600
and that he would soon be announcing
his run for presidency.

561
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,040
We did not see
any threats at the time.

562
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,680
When Barack Obama actually won

563
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,240
the Democratic nomination,

564
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,840
that's when the threats
started coming in.

565
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,120
Barack Obama is our candidate

566
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,240
and he will be our president!

567
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:54,160
We started a huge research project,
the Gathering Storm,

568
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,560
because it was a convergence

569
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:58,160
of a downturn in the economy,

570
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,960
the election of the first
African-American president,

571
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:04,800
returning veterans
to create this perfect storm.

572
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,320
Once Barack Obama
won the 2008 election,

573
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,040
we have a brand new secretary

574
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:13,680
of the Department
of Homeland Security,

575
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:15,400
Janet Napolitano.

576
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,360
Myself and the FBI briefed her
on the assessment that I had written

577
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,400
with my team of analysts.

578
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:23,840
The team presented specific warnings

579
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,560
about veterans
as potential terrorists.

580
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,880
The internal paper
was leaked to the media.

581
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:31,400
During a news programme,

582
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,200
I overheard

583
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,720
that DHS
had released this new report

584
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:38,880
warning of right-wing extremism.

585
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,560
Extremists recruiting US veterans,
who take advantage

586
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:43,840
of their military training.

587
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,960
Veterans are trained
to fight terrorism,

588
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,080
not to join terrorism.

589
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,080
Once the leak happened,
all hell had broken loose.

590
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,040
To be frank with you,

591
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,480
{\an8}the topic of radicalisation
and the United States military

592
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,080
{\an8}is completely radioactive.

593
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:08,160
{\an8}Part of the reason we've never had
a solid response to it

594
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,040
is because people get very upset

595
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:11,960
very quickly.

596
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,200
Veterans groups
are demanding an apology,

597
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,120
saying Americans aren't the enemy.
Terrorists are the enemy.

598
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,320
I was very disappointed in how

599
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,000
the Department of Homeland Security
caved into political pressure

600
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,000
within days.

601
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,120
They were issuing an apology

602
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:28,440
to veterans organisations.

603
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,040
They also disbanded my unit.

604
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:32,920
The group had explicitly warned

605
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,400
against radicalised veterans.

606
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,640
That these soldiers had formed
an anti-government militia

607
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,600
and killed two people
to keep it all secret.

608
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,440
A US soldier
is accused of helping plan

609
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,000
a deadly ambush
on his own army unit.

610
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,640
This threat continued to grow
month after month,

611
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:51,960
year after year.

612
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:53,800
The body count starts going up.

613
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:56,560
Scott Payne infiltrated

614
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,520
the extreme right-wing group
The Base

615
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,360
for the FBI,

616
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,440
which was being led
by a former soldier.

617
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,840
They'd been looking at some targets
who were anti-fascists.

618
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:09,800
One of the The Base's
most dangerous members

619
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,240
was the inconspicuous Luke Lane.

620
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:14,520
He had the perfect cover,

621
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,720
because he looks
like a normal person in society.

622
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,760
He was an IT specialist with a job.

623
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,080
He's got a girlfriend.

624
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:23,240
He said,
"Bring your weapons and ammo".

625
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,760
I said, "Hey, what are we doing?"

626
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,280
He looked at me and he said,
"We're gonna whack some people,

627
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:29,960
some antifa couple."

628
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,400
And you gotta understand
how much research this guy had done.

629
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:34,960
Vaseline over your eyebrows,

630
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,120
facial hair, so nothing falls off.

631
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,680
He wanted me to come with him,

632
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,480
go down and kill the couple.

633
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,760
As we're driving out there, he says,
"Hey man, if you don't mind,

634
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,480
I want to pop my cherry on this one.

635
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:46,440
I actually want to put a bullet
in one of them's head".

636
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,760
I go...

637
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,480
"Why are you so haste?"

638
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,000
We don't know if there's any dogs,
if there's any kids,

639
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,680
and without even missing a beat,

640
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,080
he said, "I don't have a problem
killing commie kids".

641
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:00,080
He's like,
"I'm just tired of waiting,

642
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,960
and man, I've been dreaming
about this for two years".

643
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,040
He's been wanting to kill somebody
for two years.

644
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,760
It's almost like a drug addict.

645
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,160
They're looking--
"I need the fix right now".

646
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,920
Scott informed his team,

647
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:14,920
and a trap was set.

648
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,560
I pick him up,
we go to lunch and I acted

649
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:19,120
like my truck was having trouble.

650
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,520
I got out and the SWAT team
came over the hill.

651
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,440
Everything went down good,
no shots fired.

652
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,880
The FBI's investigation revealed

653
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,520
that The Base

654
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,480
was recruiting members
around the world and had members

655
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,400
outside the US, even in Estonia.

656
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,240
One kid in... Europe

657
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,280
ended up being like the youngest

658
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,080
to ever be charged
with domestic terrorism.

659
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,040
He was like 13 years old,
but it was all for The Base stuff.

660
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:48,440
But the leader of the group,
Roman Wolfe,

661
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,480
who had recruited
Scott and other members,

662
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,040
still eluded the FBI.

663
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,200
American citizen, former army,

664
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,920
apparently speaks Russian,

665
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:56,720
and...

666
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,440
now all of a sudden,
he resides in Russia

667
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,080
and he's still out there.

668
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,880
More and more neo-Nazis
with contacts

669
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,560
in Russia are being trained
on how to use weapons

670
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:10,120
and learning how to kill.

671
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,200
VIENNA, AUSTRIA

672
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,360
Especially in Ukraine.

673
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,320
Intelligence services in Europe
are very concerned.

674
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,320
{\an5}Since February 2022,
we've also had people

675
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,520
{\an5}from extreme-right circles
here in Austria,

676
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,320
{\an5}who had fought in Ukraine.

677
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,560
Our security authorities
see that as a problem,

678
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:30,800
because these people

679
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,960
are coming back
with combat experience.

680
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,320
Nazis from Germany
are also fighting in Ukraine.

681
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,160
The exact figure is unknown.

682
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,520
If you carry out terrorist attacks,

683
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,080
you can also ensure more victims

684
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:44,440
with a corresponding exercise.

685
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,240
Russian volunteers
are also fighting for Ukraine

686
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,920
and are being led by a neo-Nazi.

687
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:52,320
Do you mind being described
as a neo-Nazi?

688
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,160
I don't think it's an insult.

689
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,560
This war starts,

690
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:59,280
and all those bad neo-Nazis
all of a sudden turn into what?

691
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,040
Patriots, freedom fighters.

692
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,840
So, did anything change about us?
No,

693
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:04,160
everything changed
about your perception.

694
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:08,040
Denis Kapustin
is his original surname,

695
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:09,600
he grew into, currently,

696
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:12,480
probably the most important
far-right figure

697
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,080
of Russian origin in Ukraine.

698
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:16,640
He was raised in Germany,

699
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,280
where he emigrated
when he was very young

700
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,360
and became the head of what is known

701
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,840
as the Russian Volunteer Corps.

702
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,040
The other aspect is that

703
00:34:27,240 --> 00:34:30,960
these people were promoting
the idea of white terrorism.

704
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,720
Back in 2019, especially around
the Christchurch attack,

705
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:39,040
platforms like Wotan Jugend in Kyiv,

706
00:34:39,720 --> 00:34:42,400
they ran
Brenton Tarrant's manifesto.

707
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:46,040
It's an 80-page document,
which was translated into Russian,

708
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:48,040
quite possibly
before the attack happened.

709
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,840
They were publishing manifestos

710
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,520
of other white terrorists

711
00:34:53,720 --> 00:34:56,080
in the United States
and, of course, of Breivik.

712
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,560
War veterans
who glorify right-wing extremists

713
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:02,880
are obtaining a massive amount
of modern weaponry,

714
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,920
creating a horrific scenario.

715
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:07,760
On one occasion,
the Russian volunteer corps

716
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,520
was boasting about

717
00:35:09,720 --> 00:35:12,160
new Belgian-made rifles,

718
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,440
that they received, NATO weapons.

719
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:19,240
Ultimately, this war

720
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:20,400
will end at some point,

721
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,840
and lots of highly-modern weapons

722
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,360
will suddenly be available.

723
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:26,840
Organised crime groups

724
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,160
of course have
a very strong interest

725
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,200
in making those weapons
available for sale

726
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,520
for terrorist organisations,

727
00:35:34,720 --> 00:35:36,440
so both
for extreme right-wing terrorists

728
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,360
as well as for Islamist extremists.

729
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:42,960
Ultimately, these people,

730
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,960
they are like angels of apocalypse.

731
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,240
All they want is more war.

732
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:56,760
Seeing how people
are so easily killed,

733
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,200
how they kill one another,

734
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,280
the constant presence of death...

735
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,200
All of that changes many veterans

736
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:03,760
and makes them vulnerable.

737
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,560
It became my job to photo document

738
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,120
everything that my unit did.

739
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,200
Most days were boring
and nothing happened.

740
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,040
But in May of 2005,

741
00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:21,120
we got a call to go respond
to some bodies being found,

742
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,800
and we got there in time
to see locals digging up

743
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,480
freshly murdered victims of torture.

744
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,040
It became my responsibility
to take photographs, ostensibly,

745
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:39,880
to find justice
for these victims of murder.

746
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,400
At 19 years old, it wasn't something
I was prepared for.

747
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,760
That mass grave, that smell,
was inescapable,

748
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,920
like every minute
of every day, I would smell it.

749
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,440
I was a...
horizontal light combat engineer.

750
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:02,960
We...

751
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,040
breach obstacles, enemy obstacles.

752
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,720
And it was a day like any other day.

753
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,960
We get to a dried-up riverbed
called a "wati",

754
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:12,960
very rocky, just unstable.

755
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,960
The guy leading the convoy
called back and said, "Hey,

756
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,360
I want you guys to get out
and tighten the binders down".

757
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,200
My comrade got out of the vehicle

758
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,400
and took the first round
over his left eye.

759
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:30,360
One eye...

760
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:32,800
that didn't swell completely shut

761
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,480
from the impact of the trauma,

762
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,760
it slowly was looking around,

763
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,720
like the eye was moving, right?

764
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,240
You see the jaw tense.

765
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,000
He's trying to breathe, guys.
You know what I mean?

766
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,760
I'm very much used
to the outdoors - hunting, fishing.

767
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,400
I've seen what happens
when something dies.

768
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,760
There's a lot of
muscular reaction that...

769
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,840
doesn't necessarily mean
that the animal's alive.

770
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,440
It just means that its body
was cut short really quick

771
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,520
and there's nothing you can do.

772
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,280
I was coming home from war
and then training for war.

773
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,160
I would buy
a plastic bottle of vodka,

774
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:20,600
super cheap.

775
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,360
My roommates
would find me in the shower

776
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,280
under scalding hot water,

777
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,080
and it took me years of therapy

778
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,480
to figure out
that what I was doing

779
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,520
was trying to burn that smell
out of my body.

780
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,400
It's just a matter of time.

781
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,840
You'll either kill yourself or kill
somebody else if you don't get help.

782
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:44,480
There's lot of anger,
a lot of hatred that's bubbling up.

783
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,440
I would try to overdose

784
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,200
because I felt
like it would be painless.

785
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,960
It would be easier
than putting a gun to my head.

786
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,560
The night before what would've been
my second deployment,

787
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,640
I attempted suicide.

788
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,440
I found out
that my contract with the military

789
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:04,520
was going
to be involuntarily extended.

790
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,120
I didn't just attempt suicide

791
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,560
to end my life.

792
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,880
I attempted suicide
to give my life meaning.

793
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,520
The veteran doesn't benefit
the country anymore.

794
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,280
So, that's why veteran suicide

795
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,240
is 22-plus a day.
A day!

796
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,840
That's a school bus of people,

797
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,760
and we don't care.

798
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,720
The only fucking people that care
if other veterans care

799
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:32,960
are extremists,

800
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,240
you know. "Hey dude,
you're already on the fence.

801
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,800
You're going
to kill yourself anyway.

802
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,400
Why not put some use
into you for my own purpose?

803
00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:40,600
Go shoot up this school.

804
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,480
Go shoot up this mosque.

805
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:43,960
Go blow up this synagogue.

806
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,880
Take out a lot of that anger,
and you'll still get suicide".

807
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:53,560
In 11 German federal states

808
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,920
on this Wednesday morning,
more than 25

809
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,920
suspected right-wing terrorists
and "Reich citizens" were arrested

810
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,520
for plotting a coup
against the German government.

811
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,920
ALLIANCE 90/THE GREENS MP

812
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,200
The plan was to storm this building,

813
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:11,320
to take people prisoner

814
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,520
and even kill some, if necessary.

815
00:40:13,720 --> 00:40:16,280
That will all now be handled
before several courts.

816
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,840
Some major figures
of the terrorist cell

817
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,880
were former head officials
of the German army,

818
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,880
who also wanted
to overthrow the federal government.

819
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,160
One of the suspected figures
was a former high-ranking officer,

820
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,560
who spent many years
leading missions abroad

821
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:36,000
for the German special forces unit.

822
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:39,160
He became radicalised
during the pandemic.

823
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,240
The special forces unit
should be sent into Berlin

824
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:45,680
to finally straighten things out.

825
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,720
Then you'll see what they can do.

826
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,920
Maximilian Eder
always defended his unit.

827
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,240
At times,
at least 40 right-wing extremists

828
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,680
fought in the special forces alone.

829
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,200
Two years on probation.

830
00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,160
A KSK soldier got off

831
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,320
with this rather lenient sentence

832
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:02,800
in Leipzig today.

833
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,040
The elite soldier
was a troop instructor,

834
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:07,080
who had hoarded two kilos
of explosives, grenades

835
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,240
and several thousand rounds
of ammunition

836
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,320
in his garden.

837
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,040
The police found a bazooka

838
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:16,280
and lots of Nazi memorabilia

839
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,080
in the soldier's hiding place,

840
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,520
including an SS songbook.

841
00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:23,640
But the special forces trainer
claimed his innocence.

842
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,640
It's not just a bunch
of blokes, and now girls,

843
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,800
who would only be
right-wing extremists.

844
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,120
The KSK is a commando

845
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,160
with incredible merits

846
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:35,960
that are not known to the public.

847
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,560
The government
keeps all of that silent.

848
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,960
The terrorist cell was willing
to kill for its worldview,

849
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,080
because its members believed
that the government

850
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,840
belonged to a satanic cult.

851
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,000
Maximilian Eder told the court

852
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,080
that covert special forces missions
in foreign countries

853
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:06,400
and seeing so many dead bodies
had traumatised him.

854
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:09,360
In my Afghanistan mission
three years ago,

855
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,320
a pointless 20-year mission,

856
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,120
soldiers were wasted

857
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,200
and abused.

858
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:22,720
The Office for the Protection
of the Constitution

859
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,640
regularly produces
a report on enemies

860
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:28,800
of the constitution of all stripes

861
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,040
in the ranks
of security authorities.

862
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,680
You can easily see
there are still problems

863
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,200
that won't just disappear overnight.

864
00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:40,320
The many extremists
who have left the KSK

865
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,360
must now be permanently monitored
by counter-terrorism.

866
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,440
One group of these terrorists

867
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,560
has already spied
on Berlin's water supply.

868
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,760
Today begins the trial

869
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,520
of the former soldier
who is being accused

870
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:01,200
of attempting to organise

871
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,440
attacks against Jewish institutions.

872
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,760
In 2022, Aurélien Chapeau

873
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,240
wanted to attack a synagogue.

874
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,400
Yet another soldier...

875
00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:12,360
In most of the cases

876
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:14,520
dealing with far-right extremism
in France,

877
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,000
the people involved
are almost always people

878
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,960
who come from the armed forces,

879
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:21,960
either soldiers

880
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,000
or former police officers.

881
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:25,400
Just like in Germany,

882
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,160
soldiers in France
also target their own country.

883
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:30,960
Conspiracy theorist Rémy Daillet

884
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,000
wanted their help

885
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,120
in 2021

886
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,840
to storm the presidential palace
and parliament building.

887
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,760
The police are taking this case
very seriously,

888
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:42,720
since Rémy Daillet
managed to recruit

889
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:44,080
around 300 militants,

890
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,720
including soldiers
and police officers.

891
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:51,640
In 2021,

892
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,280
veterans and extremists

893
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,160
marched on the US Capitol.

894
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:56,360
Cut their head off!

895
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,680
If you voted for treason,

896
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,040
we're going to drag your ass
through the streets!

897
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:02,760
They're not veterans. We are.

898
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:09,760
It brought me back
to being 16 years old

899
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,200
and seeing the towers fall
in New York,

900
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,240
and there was nothing
I could've done about it.

901
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,880
In the case of January 6th,
I watched them in real time

902
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,520
from the perspective
of the insurrectionists.

903
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,400
Goldsmith was drawn
to conspiracy theorists

904
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,400
after his time at war,

905
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:31,440
but eventually began
to fight against extremists.

906
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,560
I had spent
pretty much five years

907
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:35,680
in a dark hole
after getting out of the military.

908
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,720
After that, I went to school.

909
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,440
I found community there,
Student Veterans of America.

910
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,840
I practically lived
in the halls of Congress,

911
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,640
meeting lawmakers to try
to get them to help veterans.

912
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,680
A buddy of mine
that I served with in the army

913
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,120
had seen photos of me,

914
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:55,320
and he called me up

915
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,560
and said, "Hey Goldie, I joined
a neo-Nazi organisation.

916
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,080
I want you to help me
take them down".

917
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:01,080
Life, liberty,

918
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,400
victory!

919
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:03,720
I infiltrated

920
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,920
a couple of extremist organisations,

921
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,240
neo-Nazi organisations,
unlawful militias.

922
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:11,480
Within days,

923
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,440
I was in the 3% security force.

924
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,320
I was recording their audio

925
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,480
of them discussing storming
the Georgia State Capitol

926
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,240
months before
they were actively training

927
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,080
with live ammunition
to "clear the Capitol".

928
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:31,920
I was already an FBI informant.

929
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:33,920
I was handing over
intelligence packets.

930
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:35,120
Those warnings

931
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,360
were completely ignored
in an America

932
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:40,560
that was being governed
by Donald Trump at the time.

933
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:42,640
ASSAULT ON THE CAPITOL

934
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:46,000
It wasn't just that so many veterans
were involved in the violence

935
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,680
of January 6th. It's that
they were involved in organising it.

936
00:45:50,920 --> 00:45:53,200
It was veterans who were the ones

937
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,400
who made the violence happen.

938
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:56,680
What do you got to say?

939
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:57,720
This is awesome!

940
00:45:58,040 --> 00:45:59,400
A federal judge on Thursday

941
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,320
sentenced Joseph Biggs
to 17 years in prison.

942
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,360
The former army paratrooper

943
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:07,200
and leader
of the far-right Proud Boys

944
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,680
is one
of the most prominent defendants.

945
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,840
With the backing of figures
like Steve Bannon,

946
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:14,240
a former navy officer,

947
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,040
guys like Mike Flynn,
disgraced former general,

948
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:18,480
whipping up the crowds.

949
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,360
We decide the election
of the president of the USA.

950
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:23,320
It is their veteran status

951
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,400
that lent credibility to their lies,

952
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:28,720
that led to people dying that day.

953
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,480
Behind that, were months and years

954
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,760
of training
to radicalise these people

955
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,120
to literally be lined up
like cannon fodder

956
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,360
to go make their revolution happen.

957
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,880
ASSAULT ON THE CAPITOL
6 JANUARY 2021

958
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,200
The idea of storming
a government building

959
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:51,920
with help from extremist soldiers

960
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:53,600
and veterans in far-right circles

961
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,840
also took root in fertile soil
in South America.

962
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,840
RIO DE JANEIRO, BRAZIL

963
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,840
This one could feel
a little bit like déjà vu.

964
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,240
Supporters of a former president

965
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,760
storming the Capitol
over accusations

966
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,760
of election fraud.

967
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,280
ARMY POLICE

968
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:20,160
{\an5}UNIVERSITY HISTORY PROFESSOR

969
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,120
{\an5}There are some similarities

970
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,920
{\an5}between the storming
of the two Capitols,

971
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:27,280
such as the mobilisation efforts,
the specific strategies,

972
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,920
the discrediting
of the electoral process,

973
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,560
conspiracy theories...

974
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,960
But it wasn't a simple copy
here in Brazil.

975
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,880
Bolsonaro, a far-right
former army captain,

976
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,280
has for years claimed the country's
voting machines were faulty.

977
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,520
{\an5}POLITICAL SCIENTIST
UNIVERSITY OF RIO DE JANEIRO

978
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:57,040
Bolsonaro is from
a military background.

979
00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:59,000
He was in the army

980
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,000
for almost two decades.

981
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:03,840
It's now a militarised country.

982
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,840
Brazil had more military
than women in key positions.

983
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:14,880
Bolsonaro got connected
also to paramilitary groups,

984
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,520
weapons and ammunition

985
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,920
has been deviated
from traditional barracks

986
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:20,240
to those groups.

987
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,800
Bolsonaro praising
those militias, saying,

988
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,160
"They are the future,

989
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:26,720
because with a strong hand,

990
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,320
those guys will be able
to get rid of the bandits

991
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:30,520
on the street level".

992
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:32,840
The right-wing militias

993
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,760
backed by Bolsonaro

994
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:36,960
did not only control
a large swathe of Rio de Janeiro

995
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,040
but also held
a lot of power in the country.

996
00:48:40,240 --> 00:48:42,880
And they are quite vocal
that force should be used

997
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,160
to protect the family

998
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,320
and somehow weapons
are the best answer.

999
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:49,120
Where you have a traditional army

1000
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,200
and a paramilitary group

1001
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,720
with the same
far-right authoritarian thought,

1002
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,320
saying that we somehow
have to save the country,

1003
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,040
this is scary,
and this is still around.

1004
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,160
Slowly, those far-right militia

1005
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,040
infiltrating statehood bureaucracy,

1006
00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,120
they're electing congressmen.

1007
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:11,800
The state is slowly integrating
those groups inside them.

1008
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:14,160
It's slowly becoming the state.

1009
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,240
Extremist far-right activists
are trying

1010
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,800
to undermine and control the state.

1011
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,720
This is not only a danger in Brazil.

1012
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,800
We looked at a leak of information,

1013
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,720
and we went through
a membership list

1014
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,880
of 38,000 subscribers,

1015
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,920
people who paid money
to the Oath Keepers.

1016
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,840
The Oath Keepers is essentially

1017
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:45,800
an anti-government organisation.

1018
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,560
Specifically, they recruit

1019
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:50,160
from military and law enforcement.

1020
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,240
What is the Oath Keepers' vision

1021
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:54,920
for America? It includes

1022
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,560
trying to to get their way
through lies, through deceit...

1023
00:49:58,760 --> 00:49:59,400
FORMER SPOKESMAN
FOR THE OATH KEEPERS

1024
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:00,760
through intimidation,

1025
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,400
and through the perpetration
of violence.

1026
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,480
A lot of people were,
I think, surprised

1027
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,160
at just how...

1028
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,360
deep the message of the Oath Keepers

1029
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,680
got into our institutions.

1030
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,120
There were over 1000
former law enforcement

1031
00:50:22,320 --> 00:50:23,880
on the list that we looked at:

1032
00:50:24,080 --> 00:50:25,560
military professionals,

1033
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,440
a shocking number.

1034
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:32,600
We found over 300 what we believe
to be current law enforcement.

1035
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,160
People in positions of power

1036
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,880
have an extra layer
of responsibility

1037
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,600
of not normalising that.

1038
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,760
{\an5}The founder of the Oath Keepers
was sentenced

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{\an5}to 18 years in prison for storming
the Capitol.

1040
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,120
{\an5}Trump pardoned him
in 2025.

1041
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:51,400
I have no doubt.

1042
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:52,680
I have faith in what we're doing.

1043
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,440
What do you want to say
to Trump right now?

1044
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:55,400
Thank you.

1045
00:50:55,720 --> 00:50:57,880
In 2016, I declared,

1046
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,720
"I am your voice".

1047
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,720
Today I add, "I am your warrior.
I am your justice.

1048
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,000
And for those who have been wronged
and betrayed,

1049
00:51:08,200 --> 00:51:09,440
I am your retribution.

1050
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:11,520
I am your retribution."

1051
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:15,960
It has reached a critical point.

1052
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:18,760
The countermeasures that we need

1053
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,680
{\an5}are not going
to be implemented, because...

1054
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:25,280
{\an5}you have half of the country
who chooses to reject the fact

1055
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,000
that we have an issue
in our country.

1056
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,480
We pledge to you

1057
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:31,600
that we will root out

1058
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,280
the Communists, Marxists, fascists

1059
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:35,960
and the radical-left thugs

1060
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:37,600
that live like vermin

1061
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,600
within the confines of our country.

1062
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,480
{\an5}When you have a leader
like Donald Trump

1063
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,880
{\an5}saying and encouraging,
promoting and endorsing violence

1064
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:49,240
the way he has,

1065
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,360
we are in
a very dangerous situation.

1066
00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,240
When Trump was elected
the first time,

1067
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:56,680
far-right violence began to rise,

1068
00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,320
starting with the unrest
in Charlottesville in 2017,

1069
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:01,280
the attack in Pittsburgh

1070
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:03,040
in 2018,

1071
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:05,320
until the storming
of the Capitol in 2021.

1072
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,000
We've kind of reached
this point of no return,

1073
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,320
{\an5}because these cycles
of right-wing extremism

1074
00:52:13,640 --> 00:52:16,160
{\an5}has now taken a new deadly turn.

1075
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:18,920
We're not going to see any reprieve
in this type of violence

1076
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:19,880
anytime soon.

1077
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,600
Donald Trump appointed Pete Hegseth

1078
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,800
to the position
of Defence Minister, a man

1079
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,400
who has called Islam
"the enemy of the West".

1080
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,600
We haven't seen a president

1081
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,160
have the kind of relationship
that he has

1082
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:36,240
with extremists of any kind
for that matter.

1083
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,840
This does keep me up at night,

1084
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,800
and I feel deeply troubled

1085
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,920
by our inability

1086
00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:45,920
to counter this effectively.

1087
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,120
Political violence right now?

1088
00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:58,400
Man,

1089
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:00,880
like, it's just a matter of time.

1090
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:01,920
It's a powder keg.

1091
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,240
The right-wing online warriors
are also still at the ready.

1092
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,920
We're talking
about a massive underground

1093
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,440
that's mobilised
on social media.

1094
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,240
And that will act if their leader

1095
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:25,640
tells them to.

1096
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:27,240
The leader being Trump.

1097
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,880
If 1% of those people
start to justify violence,

1098
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,160
we are dealing
with a terrorism problem

1099
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:36,880
on an enormous scale.

1100
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,160
I think you're likely to see
far more aggressive efforts

1101
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:43,920
to cleanse this city

1102
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:47,600
of the people who have stood
against his agenda.

1103
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:53,360
Their goal is to burn
the whole thing down

1104
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:54,240
and rebuild

1105
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,240
a fascist Reich in the aftermath.

1106
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,560
I don't want people to feel like

1107
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,280
it's got to take a civil war
to solve the problem.

1108
00:54:09,720 --> 00:54:11,160
We're not there yet.

1109
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,360
But if we don't fight back,

1110
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,280
we lose.

1111
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:51,960
Giuseppe Ilisco
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