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Normally,
when an alligator takes down
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a deer or a pig,
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or human attacks
maybe after dark...
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They normally don't try to
eat it at that point in time.
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The alligator will take them
to the bottom
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and drown the person.
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And they store it under a log
or in their cave or somewhere.
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They let it decay
before they try to eat it.
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And then they come up
and do the death roll.
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Tears the meat off
like we would tear
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a chicken wing apart,
trying to eat it.
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They're just a eating machine.
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Tallahassee
is a very Southern town.
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It does not look like
that typical Florida beach.
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It's like old Florida.
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It has been said
that Tallahassee
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is a big little town.
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Let me just start
at the beginning.
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We all went
to high school together,
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me and Brian, Mike and Denise.
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Oh, my God, my hair!
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I have a whole new respect
for my wife.
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We're just
totally overwhelmed.
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Whoo!
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We were two
perfect, little families
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that are all best friends.
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Mm-hmm.
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Mm-hmm.
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I always had
my family Christmas
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on a Saturday
before Christmas Day.
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We would go to South Georgia
at my granny's farm.
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Around noon, Denise calls me.
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And she says,
do you know where Brian is?
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Do you know where Mike is?
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And I say, no, I don't--
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haven't heard from anybody
this morning.
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During hunting season,
Brian hunted nearly every day.
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It would just be morning
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and I would be up
and he wouldn't be there,
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and I would just know
he was hunting.
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She says, well,
Mike had gone hunting
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at Lake Seminole that morning
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and they were supposed to be
leaving to go to Apalachicola.
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He told me
he'd be back by noon.
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She was irritated.
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Denise and Mike had planned
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to take their anniversary trip
at a bed and breakfast.
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It was kind of a big deal.
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I said, no, I don't know.
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If I hear anything,
I'll let you know.
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Brian wasn't home by 2:00,
so I just packed Stafford up
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and we just went up to
my granny's by ourselves.
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Brian got to my granny's
between 4:00 and 5:00.
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And my uncle said to him,
you're in a lot of trouble,
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meaning because he was late,
you know?
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And so I say to Brian, did you
ever hear from Mike today?
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And he says, well,
what are you talking about?
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I said, well,
Denise had called me
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and said that Mike hadn't
come back from hunting yet.
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And he says, oh, I don't know.
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You know, I didn't
go with him this morning.
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We had a great afternoon.
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Presents are opened.
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And shortly into all that,
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Brian was asleep on the couch.
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I just rolled my eyes
and was like, of course,
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shows up late, and then just
comes in and falls asleep.
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When we got back
to Tallahassee,
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Brian's father
called and said,
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Mike hasn't come home at all
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and they need to go out
to the lake to look for him.
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And I remember
Brian saying to me,
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he'll be cold
and he'll be beat up,
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but he'll be fine.
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I went to Denise's house.
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Her family has already
kind of gathered.
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And it is somewhat of a...
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energetic-type, um, atmosphere.
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We all felt like we were just
waiting for him to get home
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so we could all just, like,
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laugh and hear what happened.
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He's going to have
some hilarious story.
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Duck hunting, typically,
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your ideal conditions
are when it's overcast,
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wet, really cold,
just terrible weather.
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That's when your ducks
are flying the best.
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And that's usually
when I stay home,
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when it's, uh,
nice and cold like that.
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But Mike had a passion
for the outdoors.
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But he wasn't
a real strong swimmer.
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He would go by himself.
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He normally would wear
his waders,
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which is extremely dangerous
for a duck hunter
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because if you fall in,
the waders
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fill up with water
and you drown.
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He just wasn't careful enough,
in my opinion, but...
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He wanted to be outside,
shooting ducks.
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It was around 72 degrees
on Saturday
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when Mike went missing.
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And then a cold front
had come through,
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and the next morning,
it was 12 degrees.
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When I first arrived
on the scene,
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Brian Winchester and his dad
found the boat.
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It was in the weeds over near
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the western side
of the shore there.
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We all gathered around
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and kind of helped them
pull it up.
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The motor wasn't running.
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Checked the gas.
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It was so full,
it was about to run over.
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We were thinking
Mike had fallen in.
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But why was the kill switch
still attached?
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And, you know, usually,
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if it's a violent enough hit
to knock you out,
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you would think that the boat
would be damaged in some way.
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I was able to
get in the helicopter.
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And we're hovering
above the lake.
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And it's a very eerie sight,
when you see all these eyes
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and you know what those eyes
are attached to.
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There were 12 alligators
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swimming all around
these boats.
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People had no idea
they were there,
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which then gives you a
really foreboding feeling of,
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if he is in the lake,
it's not good.
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When we left the lake,
it was dark.
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We went straight
over to Cheryl's.
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Mike's mother.
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She had a minister there,
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and several friends and family
and stuff, and--
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It was sad.
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December 16, 2000.
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He didn't come home at noon.
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It was cold.
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They found his truck,
trailer, and boat.
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But Jackson County Sheriff's
heat-seeking helicopter
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could find no trace of Mike.
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Cheryl told us that, uh,
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she didn't think
he was in the lake.
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You know, we nodded
and said, uh-huh.
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And--
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Thinking that
they'll find him.
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They'll find him
and he'll be in the lake.
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Denise stayed upstairs
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after Mike disappeared
and would not talk to me.
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She was supposedly so upset,
she just cried.
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I could not believe that Mike
had had a hunting accident.
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He knew the lake too well.
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We just kept searching.
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Since Lake Seminole
has been here,
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103, 104 bodies
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over the years have drowned.
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Every person
that I've been involved in
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on the Seminole
that's been in the water,
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we have found them.
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I first met Denise
when we were toddlers.
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Growing up, we would be
lying down on the trampoline,
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looking up at the stars,
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just talking about life and the
silly things and our futures.
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And we were going to be
great wives, great moms.
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Mike had to be out there.
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He had to be OK.
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This is Denise and Mike.
This is...
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This is the two of them.
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In high school, they seemed
so perfect together,
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completed each other.
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He was a football player.
She was a cheerleader.
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I mean, it was just perfect.
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All of the boys really
wanted to date Denise.
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She was very fashionable.
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And she was a big flirt.
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Denise came from
a very religious family.
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Let's bow for prayers.
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We all had the
expectation to be perfect.
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The angels in heaven
deviated from God's word.
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You were given
these rules of conduct
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that are going to be things
that will help you
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grow up into
a good Christian person.
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No drinking, no drugs,
no sex before marriage,
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no heavy metal music--
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things that might
be very typical
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for a lot of high schoolers.
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Mike was kind of an
anomaly on the football field.
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He wasn't super athletic.
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But he overcame that
by just tenacity.
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He gave one of the hardest
hits I've ever seen
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on a receiver in my life.
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Most kids are going
to jump up and down
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and scream and yell
and be happy.
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And the first thing that
Mike did was, uh--
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he was concerned about him.
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He kneeled down and
started praying for him.
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And, uh...
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I knew right from that day
what kind of person Mike was.
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I met Mike in fifth grade.
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And we were always
just good friends.
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He was a little
wild and untamed.
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Mike came from
a very blue collar family.
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Mike's father was
a Greyhound bus driver.
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His mother was a stay-at-home
mom who had a home daycare.
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He would go to school
from 7:00 AM till 3:00.
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We'd have practice.
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At 7:00 PM, he would go home,
do homework,
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and then would start
stocking shelves
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at 2:00, 3:00 in the morning,
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on top of being
student body president.
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Mike was loved by everybody.
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There really wasn't anybody
who had a problem with Mike.
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There were plenty of people
who had a problem with Brian.
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Teachers would call my parents
at night, crying.
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Why won't Brian
do his homework?
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Mom's like,
why would he do homework
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when he knows it all and he's
about to get 100% on the test?
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When I was in ninth grade,
Brian was a senior,
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and so were
Mike and Denise and Kathy.
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Brian loved Kathy a lot.
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He was that one boy
who's introverted
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and then ends up with the girl
who's the cheerleader.
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You know, that was me.
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I was friendly with everybody
and had a lot of, you know,
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school spirit
and that sort of thing.
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I grew up middle class.
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My parents had
a copy and print shop,
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The Copy Shop.
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Brian's family was
different from ours.
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I looked at his family.
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His mom was a stay-at-home mom
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and his dad was
a successful businessman,
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deacon in the church.
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Let's pray.
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Knew lots of people in town.
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That's what I wanted,
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was what I saw
in that picture.
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Brian and I had been dating
at that point for seven years.
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We went out to this area
at Carr Lake,
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looking for where
ducks would come in
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and try to watch
their patterns.
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And he proposed to me
out there.
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I was the pick for him,
so to speak.
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Like, I was this picture
of this perfect Christian girl
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who's going to be this
great wife, great mother.
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Today is the first
Christmas without Mike.
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It's been nine days
since he disappeared.
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I've asked God
to send him home.
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Where is he?
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Something's wrong with Denise.
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She won't talk to me
about Mike at all.
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This is not grief.
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It's more like relief.
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You know, everybody
grieves so differently.
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It is such a personal,
intimate thing.
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She and I would talk
on the phone.
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Her grief was
so incredibly great,
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couldn't get out of bed.
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And at this point,
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she was still trying
to process it
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and put one foot
in front of the other.
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On Christmas Day,
it was-- it was painful
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to have to pretend
that everything's OK
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and everything
in your heart and soul
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is just heavy with this.
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Stafford, Stafford!
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There's this
unspoken assumption.
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You know, I think
we were all thinking it.
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But no one was wanting to talk
about it there in that house,
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because it's just almost
too horrible to say.
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Brian had this picture
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that he and Mike
had taken together
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when they were in Arkansas
on a hunting trip.
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I framed it and that's what
I gave him for Christmas.
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Who gave you this?
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He opens it.
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And he looks at it.
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And he says,
why would you give this to me?
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And I was like,
what do you mean?
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And he said, why would you
think I would want this?
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After 10 days searching,
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I knew it was
a recovery operation.
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There was a solid layer
of hydrilla
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about an inch
underneath the water.
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So you couldn't see
below the water at all.
283
00:17:04,232 --> 00:17:09,110
We bought 12-foot PVC pipes
and capped them at each end.
284
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We would move around
about every 6 or 8 inches
285
00:17:13,115 --> 00:17:17,452
and feel, move again and feel.
286
00:17:17,453 --> 00:17:21,039
None of us had ever searched
for a body before.
287
00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,834
You know, these were hunters
and were friends with Mike.
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00:17:24,835 --> 00:17:28,838
And nobody knew
what it really felt like.
289
00:17:28,839 --> 00:17:32,384
Brian was so visibly upset
290
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when they would do
that type of search
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that he would go
to the convenience store
292
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at the end of the road
and get him something to drink
293
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because he said, I can't--
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I can't stand to be here
when they find Mike.
295
00:17:48,526 --> 00:17:50,402
As we were going
through the stumps,
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I noticed something floating
that hadn't been there before.
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We got closer to it
and it was a hat.
298
00:18:02,206 --> 00:18:04,499
The following day,
Brian Winchester
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brought a photo
of him and Mike,
300
00:18:07,253 --> 00:18:10,755
and Mike with that hat on.
301
00:18:10,756 --> 00:18:15,678
He was trying to prove that
that is Mike's hat.
302
00:18:23,519 --> 00:18:26,646
There was
a point in time when
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00:18:26,647 --> 00:18:28,732
one of Denise's
brother-in-laws
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00:18:28,733 --> 00:18:32,277
came in from being
out on the lake.
305
00:18:32,278 --> 00:18:35,030
And he says,
I'm not going back.
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00:18:35,031 --> 00:18:36,990
And her sister says,
307
00:18:36,991 --> 00:18:38,450
what do you mean,
you're not going back?
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00:18:38,451 --> 00:18:40,535
He says, this doesn't
make any sense,
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00:18:40,536 --> 00:18:44,039
that we're out there
looking for him.
310
00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,083
If Mike was there, he would
have been found by now.
311
00:18:54,175 --> 00:18:56,509
Brian suggested to me
that there were
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a lot of alligators
on the lake.
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One of them could
have gotten him.
314
00:19:01,098 --> 00:19:05,101
And I'm like,
no, they wouldn't.
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00:19:05,102 --> 00:19:09,731
I said to him, let's say that
Mike was eaten by an alligator.
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It would not have been
a whole person.
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There would have been
something left.
318
00:19:15,654 --> 00:19:19,616
And he says, well,
anything that was left
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would have been taken
by catfish and turtles.
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I called
the "Tallahassee Democrat"
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00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:31,461
again today.
322
00:19:31,462 --> 00:19:33,088
I'm trying to get
the paper to do a story
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00:19:33,089 --> 00:19:35,590
about Mike's disappearance.
324
00:19:35,591 --> 00:19:38,426
The paper's editor told me
they don't do those kinds
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00:19:38,427 --> 00:19:41,930
of stories unless they have
a criminal investigation
326
00:19:41,931 --> 00:19:44,683
by local police authorities.
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00:19:44,684 --> 00:19:46,685
I asked Fish and Game officers
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00:19:46,686 --> 00:19:48,937
how to get
a criminal investigation.
329
00:19:48,938 --> 00:19:52,482
They tell me there's no need
for a criminal investigation.
330
00:19:52,483 --> 00:19:55,568
Mike drowned and because
alligators ate him,
331
00:19:55,569 --> 00:19:58,613
there's no sign of his body.
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00:19:58,614 --> 00:20:00,448
The supervisors were saying,
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00:20:00,449 --> 00:20:03,368
unless you find
something criminal,
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00:20:03,369 --> 00:20:06,413
this is a search and rescue
operation
335
00:20:06,414 --> 00:20:08,164
or a search and recovery.
336
00:20:08,165 --> 00:20:12,085
So we wasn't really looking
for criminal activity.
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00:20:12,086 --> 00:20:13,461
I tell them,
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00:20:13,462 --> 00:20:16,005
alligators don't eat
in cold water.
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00:20:16,006 --> 00:20:19,384
Their comments to me
are ludicrous.
340
00:20:19,385 --> 00:20:22,220
Tell that to the alligators,
Ms. Williams!
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00:20:27,977 --> 00:20:31,980
The whole theme behind
that year was, here we go.
342
00:20:31,981 --> 00:20:36,985
You know, we're ready to be
grown-ups for the first time.
343
00:20:36,986 --> 00:20:39,863
Brian and I got married
at a country club in town.
344
00:20:39,864 --> 00:20:41,698
And it was outside
under an archway.
345
00:20:41,699 --> 00:20:43,533
It was beautiful.
346
00:20:43,534 --> 00:20:45,785
I was teaching middle school.
347
00:20:45,786 --> 00:20:51,624
And Brian was working
under his father,
348
00:20:51,625 --> 00:20:53,877
kind of like
the next generation
349
00:20:53,878 --> 00:20:56,045
of Winchester Financial Group,
350
00:20:56,046 --> 00:20:58,381
you know,
selling life insurance.
351
00:20:58,382 --> 00:21:00,133
What we want you
to be able to do
352
00:21:00,134 --> 00:21:02,343
is to accomplish your goal.
353
00:21:02,344 --> 00:21:05,138
Mike and Denise
got married shortly after us,
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00:21:05,139 --> 00:21:06,765
within that same year.
355
00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:10,519
Mike was working
for Ketcham Appraisal.
356
00:21:13,355 --> 00:21:16,691
We would spend a lot of time
with Mike and Denise.
357
00:21:16,692 --> 00:21:20,237
We've been out of college
for a year, two years.
358
00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:25,950
There was a couple of bars
that would have old wave.
359
00:21:25,951 --> 00:21:28,661
So it would be like
the older music,
360
00:21:28,662 --> 00:21:30,955
the music that we listened
to in high school.
361
00:21:32,625 --> 00:21:35,001
We're starting to drink.
362
00:21:35,002 --> 00:21:38,296
It was very exciting,
and it was fun.
363
00:21:38,297 --> 00:21:40,131
It was fun to go out
364
00:21:40,132 --> 00:21:44,135
and go to a bar
and see a band and dance,
365
00:21:44,136 --> 00:21:48,389
and all of these
kind of, like,
366
00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:53,728
new experiences were things
that did not align
367
00:21:53,729 --> 00:21:58,691
with the way we had been raised
in the Baptist church.
368
00:21:58,692 --> 00:22:02,529
There was this feeling that
this is a little bit wrong.
369
00:22:02,530 --> 00:22:06,158
And it made it
even more exciting.
370
00:22:07,785 --> 00:22:12,288
As two young married couples,
we're doing things
371
00:22:12,289 --> 00:22:16,836
that kids do when
they're in college, right?
372
00:22:19,421 --> 00:22:23,508
After years of going out
and partying,
373
00:22:23,509 --> 00:22:27,512
I said to Brian,
well, all right.
374
00:22:27,513 --> 00:22:29,305
You know, this has been fun,
375
00:22:29,306 --> 00:22:32,392
but when are we going
to start having kids?
376
00:22:32,393 --> 00:22:34,185
I was ready to be a mom.
377
00:22:34,186 --> 00:22:36,896
And that's what I thought
our goal was.
378
00:22:36,897 --> 00:22:39,065
That's what Brian had
told me his goal was.
379
00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:44,195
And that's where
the fork in the road was.
380
00:22:44,196 --> 00:22:47,490
Mike and I both wanted
to go to the next level
381
00:22:47,491 --> 00:22:50,618
and start our families.
382
00:22:50,619 --> 00:22:52,412
Brian and Denise
were not ready
383
00:22:52,413 --> 00:22:55,498
to let go of this partying.
384
00:22:55,499 --> 00:22:57,292
They were kind of
enjoying this freedom
385
00:22:57,293 --> 00:22:59,085
for the first time.
386
00:22:59,086 --> 00:23:01,212
They didn't want to give it up.
387
00:23:01,213 --> 00:23:04,048
Look at the pretty paper.
388
00:23:04,049 --> 00:23:06,050
Is that close up
enough for you?
389
00:23:09,555 --> 00:23:11,723
What are you doing?
390
00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:13,266
The baby.
391
00:23:13,267 --> 00:23:16,144
When I realized
I was pregnant,
392
00:23:16,145 --> 00:23:21,274
I was sort of what I could
just describe as full.
393
00:23:21,275 --> 00:23:26,029
It was the beginning of
this dream that I'd had.
394
00:23:28,908 --> 00:23:33,036
My water broke around
4:00 in the morning.
395
00:23:33,037 --> 00:23:35,705
And I woke Brian up.
396
00:23:35,706 --> 00:23:37,707
He said, well,
let's just go back to sleep
397
00:23:37,708 --> 00:23:40,960
and we'll go to the hospital
whenever we wake up.
398
00:23:40,961 --> 00:23:43,880
And I'm like, I am awake!
My water just broke.
399
00:23:43,881 --> 00:23:45,423
If your water breaks,
400
00:23:45,424 --> 00:23:48,384
you have to get
to the hospital immediately.
401
00:23:50,012 --> 00:23:52,722
He went back to sleep.
402
00:23:52,723 --> 00:23:56,601
It was like he was holding on
to his last few moments
403
00:23:56,602 --> 00:23:58,770
of not having
the responsibility
404
00:23:58,771 --> 00:24:02,440
of being a dad, right?
405
00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:03,816
I was in labor all day,
406
00:24:03,817 --> 00:24:08,404
but having the blessing
of a baby
407
00:24:08,405 --> 00:24:12,158
after, you know, the partying
and those sorts of things,
408
00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:15,953
it was everything.
409
00:24:15,954 --> 00:24:19,290
I remember Mike and Denise
sitting on the edge of my bed.
410
00:24:19,291 --> 00:24:21,959
Stafford was on the bed.
411
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,712
And Mike looked
right in Stafford's eyes
412
00:24:24,713 --> 00:24:27,340
because he wanted
that connection.
413
00:24:36,058 --> 00:24:38,518
Denise Williams has
a special reason to celebrate
414
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:40,144
Mother's Day this year.
415
00:24:40,145 --> 00:24:43,189
She became a mom for
the first time on Saturday.
416
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:45,942
And her daughter Anslee
is her most precious gift.
417
00:24:45,943 --> 00:24:47,652
We're just
totally overwhelmed.
418
00:24:47,653 --> 00:24:49,195
She was due Tuesday.
419
00:24:49,196 --> 00:24:50,571
And she would have made me
wait a whole other year
420
00:24:50,572 --> 00:24:51,656
for Mother's Day.
421
00:24:51,657 --> 00:24:52,991
So she came yesterday
422
00:24:52,992 --> 00:24:54,993
so I could enjoy this day
today with her.
423
00:24:54,994 --> 00:24:56,285
It was unbelievable.
424
00:24:56,286 --> 00:24:57,870
I have a whole new respect
for my wife,
425
00:24:57,871 --> 00:24:59,872
and women in general
and what they go through,
426
00:24:59,873 --> 00:25:03,584
to bring a new child,
new life into the world.
427
00:25:03,585 --> 00:25:06,379
When Anslee was born,
Mike just--
428
00:25:06,380 --> 00:25:10,007
he was all in.
429
00:25:10,008 --> 00:25:11,968
I just remember Mike
430
00:25:11,969 --> 00:25:13,928
sitting there
behind his computer.
431
00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:16,389
And he had Anslee
in a little bassinet
432
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:19,600
that had a rocker on it,
and he would use his foot.
433
00:25:19,601 --> 00:25:21,519
And he would rock her
like that.
434
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,104
And then he could
type over here.
435
00:25:23,105 --> 00:25:25,148
Just typing away.
436
00:25:32,448 --> 00:25:35,783
Brian wasn't
ready to be a dad.
437
00:25:39,204 --> 00:25:42,373
He's like, OK,
Kathy has what she wanted,
438
00:25:42,374 --> 00:25:46,085
so now I can sort of
do whatever I want.
439
00:25:46,086 --> 00:25:48,045
Mom is tired.
440
00:25:48,046 --> 00:25:51,090
If that was
going out without me,
441
00:25:51,091 --> 00:25:56,053
doing dog training,
or if that was water skiing.
442
00:25:56,054 --> 00:25:59,140
I felt like I was on my own.
443
00:25:59,141 --> 00:26:00,183
What'd you say?
444
00:26:00,184 --> 00:26:01,809
Are you recording?
445
00:26:01,810 --> 00:26:04,520
I'll wait before
I say anything.
446
00:26:04,521 --> 00:26:06,731
You know,
whatever happens now,
447
00:26:06,732 --> 00:26:09,233
it's me and Stafford.
448
00:26:14,823 --> 00:26:18,493
♪ Happy birthday to you ♪
449
00:26:18,494 --> 00:26:23,164
♪ Happy birthday,
dear Stafford ♪
450
00:26:23,165 --> 00:26:26,584
♪ Happy birthday to you ♪
451
00:26:26,585 --> 00:26:28,169
At this point,
Brian and I
452
00:26:28,170 --> 00:26:29,962
have been married
for six years.
453
00:26:29,963 --> 00:26:31,506
What is all this about?
454
00:26:31,507 --> 00:26:33,800
We had grown
so far apart
455
00:26:33,801 --> 00:26:37,929
and weren't even
being intimate.
456
00:26:37,930 --> 00:26:41,682
Denise and I spent a lot
of time on the phone.
457
00:26:41,683 --> 00:26:44,685
She would confide in me
458
00:26:44,686 --> 00:26:48,523
about things going on
between her and Mike.
459
00:26:48,524 --> 00:26:53,694
Mike has been pulling out
of this foursome that we were.
460
00:26:53,695 --> 00:26:58,366
He was just done with partying
461
00:26:58,367 --> 00:27:02,412
and was enjoying
being a father.
462
00:27:06,083 --> 00:27:08,084
For Denise's 30th birthday,
463
00:27:08,085 --> 00:27:11,212
the four of us were going
to go to Panama City.
464
00:27:12,798 --> 00:27:16,217
Denise came,
but Mike was not with her.
465
00:27:16,218 --> 00:27:19,846
She says, oh, he's going
to work this weekend.
466
00:27:19,847 --> 00:27:23,891
I say, if Mike doesn't have
to go, I don't have to go.
467
00:27:23,892 --> 00:27:27,353
I knew what it would be.
It would be drinking.
468
00:27:27,354 --> 00:27:29,021
And it would be dancing.
469
00:27:29,022 --> 00:27:30,481
Come on, come on.
470
00:27:30,482 --> 00:27:32,358
Stafford's already
at your mom's.
471
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,651
Just come on, come on.
472
00:27:33,652 --> 00:27:37,154
They just wore me down.
473
00:27:37,155 --> 00:27:41,492
I don't have a lot
of clear memories
474
00:27:41,493 --> 00:27:44,370
of everything that happened
in Panama City.
475
00:27:44,371 --> 00:27:48,624
I know that there was
a lot of alcohol.
476
00:27:48,625 --> 00:27:50,877
At one point,
Denise looks at me
477
00:27:50,878 --> 00:27:53,588
and she says, oh, let me have
some of that lipstick.
478
00:27:53,589 --> 00:27:56,341
And she leans over
and kisses me.
479
00:27:58,218 --> 00:28:02,847
Brian took some pictures
of me and Denise
480
00:28:02,848 --> 00:28:05,975
sitting on the bed,
partially clothed.
481
00:28:05,976 --> 00:28:09,729
By today's standards,
it wouldn't be that bad.
482
00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:13,357
But it was enough
to keep me in line
483
00:28:13,358 --> 00:28:16,903
and keep me guilty.
484
00:28:16,904 --> 00:28:21,824
They had spent this time
just encapsulating me
485
00:28:21,825 --> 00:28:25,244
in this invisible bubble,
not feeling confident
486
00:28:25,245 --> 00:28:28,372
to reach out to anyone else
that I could talk to.
487
00:28:33,754 --> 00:28:36,464
We were driving back
to Tallahassee that night.
488
00:28:36,465 --> 00:28:39,508
And Brian was driving
really fast,
489
00:28:39,509 --> 00:28:41,678
just reckless.
490
00:28:43,639 --> 00:28:47,099
And I can remember
just thinking.
491
00:28:48,435 --> 00:28:51,395
There had been several times
492
00:28:51,396 --> 00:28:53,564
that I would complain
to Mike about Brian.
493
00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:56,776
And he said, Kathy,
pack your stuff up.
494
00:28:56,777 --> 00:29:00,863
Pack up Stafford's stuff, and
go back home to your parents.
495
00:29:00,864 --> 00:29:05,076
And I told Brian
what Mike had told me.
496
00:29:05,077 --> 00:29:10,414
He got worried
and confided in Denise.
497
00:29:10,415 --> 00:29:13,126
Denise called me,
and she said...
498
00:29:16,964 --> 00:29:18,673
What are you doing?
499
00:29:18,674 --> 00:29:23,135
Do you really want to raise
Stafford as a single mom?
500
00:29:23,136 --> 00:29:26,097
Do you think that's
the best he deserves?
501
00:29:26,098 --> 00:29:28,684
God hates divorce.
502
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,647
That kind of
emotional blackmail
503
00:29:34,648 --> 00:29:39,527
was enough to make me
back away at the last minute.
504
00:29:43,115 --> 00:29:46,951
The faster he drove, I could
just remember thinking,
505
00:29:46,952 --> 00:29:49,078
I wish he would just
506
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:53,582
drive this car off the road
and just...
507
00:29:53,583 --> 00:29:55,794
end it all.
508
00:30:21,486 --> 00:30:26,491
We lost a--
a very close friend.
509
00:30:31,204 --> 00:30:34,332
Mike was 31.
510
00:30:37,210 --> 00:30:40,838
My son's closest friend.
511
00:30:45,677 --> 00:30:49,138
He was like a son to me.
512
00:30:50,807 --> 00:30:53,225
There comes a time
when reality sets in,
513
00:30:53,226 --> 00:30:55,644
that if you can't find him
with a helicopter
514
00:30:55,645 --> 00:30:59,983
with infrared, you know,
he's not coming back.
515
00:31:01,818 --> 00:31:06,280
As Denise walked down
the aisle to marry Mike,
516
00:31:06,281 --> 00:31:10,409
her daddy was
right beside her.
517
00:31:10,410 --> 00:31:13,329
And as she's walking down
that same aisle
518
00:31:13,330 --> 00:31:16,415
to say goodbye to him,
519
00:31:16,416 --> 00:31:19,710
her dad's arms are around her,
holding her up.
520
00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:23,672
That grief was so, so great,
521
00:31:23,673 --> 00:31:25,716
and so real,
522
00:31:25,717 --> 00:31:29,887
and felt by everybody
523
00:31:29,888 --> 00:31:34,517
who knew Mike and Denise.
524
00:31:34,518 --> 00:31:37,603
It was very somber.
525
00:31:37,604 --> 00:31:40,272
It was very upsetting.
I...
526
00:31:40,273 --> 00:31:44,401
There were three or four of us
that were supposed to speak.
527
00:31:44,402 --> 00:31:48,489
And, um,
I wasn't able to do it.
528
00:31:58,416 --> 00:32:01,335
There's nothing out there,
529
00:32:01,336 --> 00:32:03,963
nothing out there,
530
00:32:03,964 --> 00:32:06,841
that can do what we do
531
00:32:06,842 --> 00:32:11,303
to-- to protect widows
and 22-month-old daughters.
532
00:32:11,304 --> 00:32:15,641
Every year,
Winchester Financial Group
533
00:32:15,642 --> 00:32:20,020
would have an annual meeting
of all the agents.
534
00:32:20,021 --> 00:32:25,151
Marcus and Brian had
compiled a presentation
535
00:32:25,152 --> 00:32:29,572
that they presented
to, like, the higher-ups.
536
00:32:29,573 --> 00:32:33,784
Integrity, friendship, faith,
537
00:32:33,785 --> 00:32:36,328
and the feeling of family.
538
00:32:36,329 --> 00:32:38,747
It's great
working with my dad.
539
00:32:38,748 --> 00:32:40,833
We, um, not only do
we work together,
540
00:32:40,834 --> 00:32:42,293
but we play together.
541
00:32:42,294 --> 00:32:44,712
Brian had sold Mike
542
00:32:44,713 --> 00:32:46,881
two of the three
life insurance policies
543
00:32:46,882 --> 00:32:49,758
that he held,
544
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,887
worth $1.75 million.
545
00:32:52,888 --> 00:32:56,599
But in Florida,
you had to wait several years
546
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:01,187
for a missing person
to be declared dead.
547
00:33:01,188 --> 00:33:05,816
Brian's increasingly
getting anxious about this.
548
00:33:05,817 --> 00:33:08,611
He felt like
it would look really bad
549
00:33:08,612 --> 00:33:11,530
if he had sold this policy
to Mike and Denise.
550
00:33:11,531 --> 00:33:13,199
Now Mike is gone.
551
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,367
But the company isn't paying
552
00:33:15,368 --> 00:33:20,497
because Mike technically
is just missing.
553
00:33:20,498 --> 00:33:23,751
I can remember him saying,
we cannot wait that long.
554
00:33:23,752 --> 00:33:25,336
Denise needs that money.
555
00:33:25,337 --> 00:33:27,213
She's going to have to
go back to work full-time
556
00:33:27,214 --> 00:33:28,839
if she doesn't get that.
557
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:31,258
The essence of
the Winchester Financial Group
558
00:33:31,259 --> 00:33:34,303
is characterized through
this heartfelt story
559
00:33:34,304 --> 00:33:36,138
of a special client
560
00:33:36,139 --> 00:33:38,766
and a very close
and loving family friend.
561
00:33:38,767 --> 00:33:43,145
That presentation was made
562
00:33:43,146 --> 00:33:47,900
to convince the board to pay
Mike's life insurance policy
563
00:33:47,901 --> 00:33:51,737
without his body
having been recovered.
564
00:33:51,738 --> 00:33:53,447
He was supposed
to return home that day
565
00:33:53,448 --> 00:33:56,992
to celebrate
a wedding anniversary.
566
00:33:56,993 --> 00:34:01,413
But the miracle
of life insurance
567
00:34:01,414 --> 00:34:06,127
is going to fill
a big need, a huge need.
568
00:34:07,837 --> 00:34:10,381
I helped Denise
sell his boat.
569
00:34:10,382 --> 00:34:12,633
I think I even helped
sell his Bronco,
570
00:34:12,634 --> 00:34:17,514
all in an effort to try to
help her and help Anslee.
571
00:34:20,517 --> 00:34:22,685
All of this around Mike
572
00:34:22,686 --> 00:34:26,814
is starting to just fade
into, like, a new reality.
573
00:34:26,815 --> 00:34:29,733
Between the insurance
discussions,
574
00:34:29,734 --> 00:34:34,738
between running
the errands for Denise,
575
00:34:34,739 --> 00:34:37,908
Brian was totally
available to her
576
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:40,703
in a way that
he had never been to me.
577
00:34:40,704 --> 00:34:46,292
He was, at that point,
her knight in shining armor.
578
00:34:46,293 --> 00:34:49,795
And I would have
conversations with Brian
579
00:34:49,796 --> 00:34:51,839
that I wasn't happy.
580
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,173
I didn't want to
live like this.
581
00:34:53,174 --> 00:34:55,926
I didn't want this kind
of a marriage.
582
00:34:55,927 --> 00:34:58,220
I can remember Brian
saying to me,
583
00:34:58,221 --> 00:35:00,556
who is going to
want to marry you?
584
00:35:00,557 --> 00:35:03,267
You're going to be
a divorced, single mother
585
00:35:03,268 --> 00:35:05,644
with another man's child.
586
00:35:05,645 --> 00:35:08,440
Who is going to want
to take that on?
587
00:35:09,232 --> 00:35:12,234
It was incredibly lonely.
588
00:35:18,533 --> 00:35:23,162
In June, six months
after the initial search,
589
00:35:23,163 --> 00:35:26,415
we found a set
of waders floating.
590
00:35:29,252 --> 00:35:31,503
A diver from Tallahassee
came over
591
00:35:31,504 --> 00:35:34,715
and he dove down
in the deeper hole.
592
00:35:34,716 --> 00:35:37,301
Within probably two minutes,
593
00:35:37,302 --> 00:35:41,388
he came up with
a hunting jacket.
594
00:35:41,389 --> 00:35:44,099
One sleeve was turned
inside out,
595
00:35:44,100 --> 00:35:46,268
like someone was trying
to get it off.
596
00:35:46,269 --> 00:35:48,604
And I put my hand
in the pocket
597
00:35:48,605 --> 00:35:51,649
and pulled out
a hunting license.
598
00:35:51,650 --> 00:35:54,109
It said Mike Williams.
599
00:35:54,110 --> 00:35:56,487
And it was just
astounding to me that,
600
00:35:56,488 --> 00:35:58,197
six months later,
it's been in the water
601
00:35:58,198 --> 00:36:02,409
and I could read his name,
plain as day.
602
00:36:02,410 --> 00:36:05,829
About 10 feet from
where we had marked,
603
00:36:05,830 --> 00:36:08,248
the hydrilla
was all turned up.
604
00:36:08,249 --> 00:36:09,792
There had been
an alligator there
605
00:36:09,793 --> 00:36:11,669
that had done what they called
the death roll,
606
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:15,631
where they just
spin and spin and spin.
607
00:36:15,632 --> 00:36:17,800
We didn't find
any bones or anything,
608
00:36:17,801 --> 00:36:21,679
but it just reinforced what
I had seen six months ago.
609
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,639
Alligators were
all over the place.
610
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,683
You know, he fell out.
The waders filled up.
611
00:36:26,684 --> 00:36:29,103
He eventually fell out
of the waders.
612
00:36:29,104 --> 00:36:34,066
The alligator was taking him
somewhere and stuffed him.
613
00:36:34,067 --> 00:36:37,236
Brian's demeanor was relief
614
00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:42,741
because now they can get
a death certificate.
615
00:36:42,742 --> 00:36:47,204
And the life insurance
was going to be paid.
616
00:36:47,205 --> 00:36:51,583
I remember asking him,
were the waders messed up?
617
00:36:51,584 --> 00:36:54,086
If an alligator got him,
618
00:36:54,087 --> 00:36:57,005
then wouldn't there
be bite marks?
619
00:36:57,006 --> 00:36:58,674
And him saying, no,
620
00:36:58,675 --> 00:37:01,218
he probably got them off
before it happened.
621
00:37:01,219 --> 00:37:05,055
I couldn't understand
why anyone believed that.
622
00:37:05,056 --> 00:37:10,519
But I also was coming to the
realization that he is gone.
623
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,146
He is gone.
624
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:18,819
How come they
never found a jacket
625
00:37:18,820 --> 00:37:20,988
or waders in the lake?
626
00:37:20,989 --> 00:37:23,950
They searched for six months.
627
00:37:32,625 --> 00:37:37,337
One day in March,
Brian calls me.
628
00:37:37,338 --> 00:37:40,674
And he says, I'm going to take
the dogs out for training.
629
00:37:40,675 --> 00:37:44,344
And there was just
something in his tone,
630
00:37:44,345 --> 00:37:46,847
just a little red flag.
631
00:37:46,848 --> 00:37:51,935
So when I took my lunch
that day, I went home.
632
00:37:51,936 --> 00:37:54,104
And I saw the dogs there.
633
00:37:56,274 --> 00:38:00,444
Later that evening,
I say to him,
634
00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:02,613
What'd you do today?
I took the dogs out.
635
00:38:02,614 --> 00:38:04,781
When'd you take the dogs out?
636
00:38:04,782 --> 00:38:06,283
Around 2:00.
637
00:38:06,284 --> 00:38:08,285
And I said, well,
I was here actually
638
00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:12,331
at that time
and the dogs were here.
639
00:38:12,332 --> 00:38:15,167
I did not usually
push back with him.
640
00:38:15,168 --> 00:38:19,129
I usually would just
take whatever excuse,
641
00:38:19,130 --> 00:38:23,884
or whatever,
even if I knew it was...
642
00:38:23,885 --> 00:38:25,385
But I start pushing back.
643
00:38:25,386 --> 00:38:27,679
I said, no,
what were you doing?
644
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,473
He didn't want to tell me
what he was doing.
645
00:38:29,474 --> 00:38:30,682
What were you doing?
What?
646
00:38:30,683 --> 00:38:33,477
I just would not let it go.
647
00:38:33,478 --> 00:38:37,856
And he finally admits
to me that,
648
00:38:37,857 --> 00:38:39,483
for her birthday,
649
00:38:39,484 --> 00:38:43,695
Denise had wanted
to go to the lake...
650
00:38:43,696 --> 00:38:47,032
to see where Mike
had last been--
651
00:38:47,033 --> 00:38:48,492
for the first time.
652
00:38:48,493 --> 00:38:52,829
She'd never been there before.
653
00:38:52,830 --> 00:38:55,541
And I said, well, why didn't
you just tell me that?
654
00:38:55,542 --> 00:38:57,209
She just wanted me
to take her out there
655
00:38:57,210 --> 00:38:59,336
so she could have
some private time.
656
00:38:59,337 --> 00:39:01,171
And she didn't want
anyone to know.
657
00:39:01,172 --> 00:39:03,507
And I said, well,
why didn't she want me to know?
658
00:39:03,508 --> 00:39:07,135
That-- that doesn't add up.
659
00:39:07,136 --> 00:39:11,807
And he starts, like,
turning it around.
660
00:39:11,808 --> 00:39:15,894
Why is this about you?
This is about her.
661
00:39:15,895 --> 00:39:18,522
It was the first time
I had specifically
662
00:39:18,523 --> 00:39:20,566
caught him in a lie
663
00:39:20,567 --> 00:39:23,777
where he was covering
for being with her.
664
00:39:23,778 --> 00:39:27,698
There's really no excuse
to cover that up
665
00:39:27,699 --> 00:39:31,451
if you weren't doing something
that needed to be covered up.
666
00:39:34,539 --> 00:39:37,541
I'm trying to get
my bearings
667
00:39:37,542 --> 00:39:39,626
on what does it
look like if I leave?
668
00:39:39,627 --> 00:39:41,879
What-- what do I need?
669
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,132
I had no idea what was
in our bank account.
670
00:39:45,133 --> 00:39:48,969
And so I had decided to go
down to his office one evening
671
00:39:48,970 --> 00:39:54,349
because I knew that's where
all of our mail went.
672
00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:57,185
I started looking
through his drawers.
673
00:39:57,186 --> 00:40:00,147
And I found a folder and
started flipping through it.
674
00:40:00,148 --> 00:40:04,484
And it was copies of receipts
of different things.
675
00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:09,406
And I found a receipt...
676
00:40:09,407 --> 00:40:14,911
for a jewelry store
that was at the mall.
677
00:40:14,912 --> 00:40:18,290
And it was for a necklace with
678
00:40:18,291 --> 00:40:21,877
a name written in gold.
679
00:40:21,878 --> 00:40:25,797
And it was the name, Meridian.
680
00:40:25,798 --> 00:40:30,844
And I knew
Meridian was Denise.
681
00:40:30,845 --> 00:40:33,055
That was the name
that she would use
682
00:40:33,056 --> 00:40:36,516
when we would go out,
sort of her party name.
683
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:44,399
Who can still
be close to someone
684
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,736
that you are taking
everything from?
685
00:40:47,737 --> 00:40:49,738
Just, oh, my gosh!
686
00:40:49,739 --> 00:40:51,406
Like--
687
00:40:51,407 --> 00:40:54,201
Who can do that?
688
00:40:54,202 --> 00:40:56,787
She had taken everything.
689
00:40:58,206 --> 00:41:01,708
You don't expect a man to be
having an affair with a woman
690
00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:05,212
who still wants to be
best friends with the wife.
691
00:41:05,213 --> 00:41:09,007
To say that Denise
had stabbed me in the back
692
00:41:09,008 --> 00:41:13,053
doesn't even touch it--
she had stabbed me in the soul.
693
00:41:14,597 --> 00:41:15,722
Ah!
693
00:41:16,305 --> 00:42:16,258
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