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My film is not a movie.
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My film is not about Vietnam.
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It is Vietnam.
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It's what it was really like. It was crazy.
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And the way we made it was very much
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like the way
the Americans were in Vietnam.
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We were in the jungle.
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There were too many of us.
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We had access to too much money,
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too much equipment,
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and little by little, we went insane.
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This movie I'm making
is not in the tradition
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of the great Max Ophüls
or David Lean even.
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This movie was made in the tradition
of Irwin Allen.
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I made the most vulgar, entertaining,
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exciting, action-full, sensoramic,
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give-them-a-new-thrill-
every-five-minutes,
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have it everything, sex, violence, humor,
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because I want people
to come and see it.
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But the questions that I kept facing
or running into,
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into the stupid script about
four guys going up to kill a guy...
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But that was the story.
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But the questions that that story
kept putting me, I couldn't answer.
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Yet I knew that I had constructed
the film in such a way
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that to not answer would be to fail.
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The film Francis is making is
a metaphor for a journey into self.
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He has made that journey
and is still making it.
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It's scary to watch someone you love
go into the center of himself
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and confront his fears,
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fear of failure, fear of death,
fear of going insane.
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You have to fail a little,
die a little, go insane a little,
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to come out the other side.
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The process is not over for Francis.
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My greatest fear
is to make a really shitty,
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embarrassing, pompous film
on an important subject,
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and I am doing it.
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I confront it. I acknowledge.
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I will tell you right straight from
the most sincere depths of my heart,
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the film will not be good.
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It's like going to school.
You finish your term paper
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and maybe you get a B instead
of an A+ that you wanted,
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so you got a B.
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But I'm gonna get an F.
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This film is a $20-million disaster.
Why won't anyone believe me?
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I am thinking of shooting myself!
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Good evening. This is Orson Welles
inviting you to listen now
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to The Heart of Darkness
by Joseph Conrad.
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Imagine the feelings of a skipper
of a fine frigate or a bark.
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A civilized man
at the very end of the world.
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He'd land in a swamp,
march through the woods,
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and in some inland post
feel the savagery,
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the utter savagery that stirs
in the forests and the jungles
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in the hearts of wild men.
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In 1939, Orson Welles planned
to make Heart of Darkness
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as his first motion picture.
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Heart of Darkness is the story
of a ship captain's journey
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up the Congo River
to find Mr. Kurtz, an ivory trader
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stationed deep in the jungle.
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A brilliant man of high ideals,
Kurtz intends to enlighten the natives.
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Instead, he succumbs
to the primal temptations
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of the jungle and goes insane.
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Screen tests were done
with Welles as Kurtz
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and sets were designed,
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but the studio backed away
from the project,
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fearing the elaborate production
would go over budget.
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Welles made Citizen Kane instead.
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Heart of Darkness was abandoned
in pre-production.
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In 1969, Francis founded
American Zoetrope,
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a company dedicated to filmmaking
outside of the Hollywood system.
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One of their first projects
was Apocalypse Now,
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a Vietnam War story based loosely
on Heart of Darkness.
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Apocalypse Now concerns
a Captain Willard on his mission
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to assassinate
a Green Beret colonel named Kurtz.
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Kurtz has gone insane
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and is conducting the war
on his own terms deep in Cambodia.
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George Lucas was to direct
John Milius' screenplay.
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Francis said that Heart of Darkness,
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which was one of my favorite things
I'd ever read,
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he said it had been tried
and no one could lick it.
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He said that Orson Welles tried it
and he couldn't lick it.
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Richard Brooks, I think,
or somebody else...
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That's the best thing
to tell a young writing student,
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you know, say,
"No one could possibly write this."
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That was the first thing I tried.
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The war was raging then,
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and everybody was either
getting set to go or to get out of it
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or whatever they were going to do.
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And we prepared a method of
doing this whole thing in Vietnam.
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We were going to do it
in 16 millimeter in Vietnam.
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That was John's idea.
That was John's idea.
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I was the one that was gonna
have to go over and do it.
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John is very good at being grand.
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We would have been there right in time
for Tet, probably and whatever.
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And all these people
that were in school with me
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who'd done terrible things
or were planning to go to Canada,
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do something as drastic
as getting married to avoid the war,
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they were willing to go to Vietnam.
They didn't care.
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They wanted to carry lights
and sound equipment over minefields.
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And I think that Warner Brothers
finally backed off on it
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because they figured
most of us would probably be killed
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because we were so stupid.
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We then tried to take Apocalypse
around to all the other studios.
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Nobody wanted to have anything to do
with it and they just... "No way."
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Why?
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Because it was during the war
and there was a lot of...
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I don't know whether it was pressure
or just fear or whatever,
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but the studios would not finance a film
about the Vietnam War.
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People were so bitter
about the war, you know,
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that there were riots.
Remember, we were living at a time
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when there really were riots
on the streets.
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People were spitting on soldiers.
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And studio executives,
they're the last people
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who are gonna get
in the middle of that thing.
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Studio executives are not noted
for their social courage.
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Without a studio,
Apocalypse Now was shelved,
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and Francis put his dreams
for Zoetrope on hold.
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He went on to direct
The Godfather Parts I and II.
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The films won eight Academy Awards
and made Francis a multimillionaire.
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In 1975, he revived his plans
for Zoetrope
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and chose Apocalypse Now
as its first project.
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I was in the position whereas I wanted
to always write original work.
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Original work really takes
six, eight months minimum to do,
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and here was the script of Apocalypse
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that we could clean up
and send out immediately.
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So I basically said,
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"Well, what if I just
did Apocalypse Now?"
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And in doing so,
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we were able to make our company
independent and further our goal.
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But nothing really prepared me
for the date I had
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with trying to do a modern telling
of Heart of Darkness
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in a Vietnam setting.
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Mike, would you read Kilgore?
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Glenn, I'd like you to read... No.
I'll wait for a minute.
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I'd like Tommy, you read Willard.
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Freddy's gonna read Chef.
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And, Sam, you read Lance.
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And, Albert, you read Chief, okay?
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Let's just... What we'll do now,
we'll just read it, just to read it,
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to know what we're doing.
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Apocalypse Now
has been budgeted at $13 million.
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In order to maintain creative control,
Francis had to raise the money himself.
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If the film goes over budget,
Francis is responsible.
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He has put up our personal assets
as collateral.
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A couple of million dollars
of Francis' money was in it.
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But that was Francis' style.
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His philosophy was always,
and remains to this date is,
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"I'm gonna go and make the movie.
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"And if everybody knows
I'm going to make it,
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"it will fall into place.
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"And if I don't go forward
as if I'm making it and start making it,
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"nothing will happen."
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My attitude towards money has always
been, "I don't have very much of it,
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"but if I use it in a very audacious way,
it multiplies it."
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If you have $1,000, but you're willing
to use it, really not caring of risking,
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you can make it feel like $10,000.
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Marlon Brando has sent word
that he will do the part of Kurtz.
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Brando has agreed to three weeks
of shooting at a million dollars a week.
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Francis sent him a $1 million advance.
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After auditioning dozens of actors,
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Harvey Keitel has been cast
as Captain Willard.
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For the four-man boat crew
who will take Willard upriver,
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Sam Bottoms will play Lance.
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Albert Hall, Chief.
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Frederic Forrest, Chef,
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and Larry Fishburne, age 14,
will play Mr. Clean.
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The whole thing's really fun.
I mean, a war is fun. Shit.
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You can do anything you want to.
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That's why Vietnam must
have been so much fun
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for the guys that were out there.
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I mean, like, I know this one dude
who came back. Shit.
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And he's nothing but a dope smoker,
and all he does is smoke dope.
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He said, "Vietnam was the best thing
they could have done for my ass."
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The Philippines has been chosen
as the location
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because of its similarity
to the terrain in Vietnam.
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Since the US Army
has refused to cooperate
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with a movie about the Vietnam War,
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Francis has made a deal with
Philippine President, Ferdinand Marcos.
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The production will pay the military
thousands of dollars per day
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as well as overtime
for the Philippine pilots.
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In return, Francis can use
Marcos' entire fleet of helicopters
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as long as they're not needed to fight
the communist insurgency in the south.
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A band of rebels
has been waging a fierce war
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for control of
the southern Philippine islands.
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But the real phenomenon
of being in that situation,
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being in the middle of that jungle
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and dealing with all the unfriendly
elements that we were dealing with
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was part of what the movie was about.
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That was the first directorial decision
that put us all in a circumstance
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that reflected, you know,
what the movie was about.
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I gave him all the information
that we had developed
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on shooting in the Philippines.
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I said, "Francis,
it's one thing to go over there
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"for three weeks with, like, five people
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"and sort of scrounge a lot of footage
using the Philippine army.
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"But if you go over there
as a big Hollywood production,
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"they're gonna kill you, you know.
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"The longer you stay,
the more in danger you are
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"of getting sucked into the swamp."
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On March 1st,
I came to the Philippines
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with Francis and our three children,
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Gio, 12, Roman, 10,
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and Sofia, four.
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Francis has asked me
to make a documentary film
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for the United Artists
publicity department.
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I don't know if he wants to avoid
the addition of a professional team
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on an already-overloaded production
or if he's just trying to keep me busy.
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The heat and humidity
are overwhelming.
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It's the first time any of us
have seen water buffalo,
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rice paddies and nipa huts.
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Sofia said, "it looks like
the Disneyland jungle cruise."
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Today, I shot some footage
of the construction
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at the main set, Kurtz's compound.
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It is supposed to be
a decaying Cambodian temple
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at the end of the river
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where the character of Willard
will confront Kurtz.
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Dean Tavoularis,
the production designer,
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is orchestrating
the construction of the temple
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out of dried adobe blocks,
each weighing 300 pounds.
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There were 600 people
working on this thing.
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In Hollywood or New York,
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if you want another person,
it's quite a big deal.
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With the fringes and their salary,
it's thousands of dollars.
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So, for a dollar a day
or three dollars a day,
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I hope we weren't taking advantage of
people, but that's what they were paid.
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So, you could get not one person.
You could get 10 or 20 or 100.
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Ever since I was
a student in college,
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we used to do a thing
before every production,
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and since I've been making films,
we did it,
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and it made those films have good luck.
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And what it is...
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Everyone kind of just grab someone
or touch someone
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that's connected with everyone.
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Gather round
so that everybody can see.
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- Good luck.
- Good luck.
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And then we say this word three times.
"Puwaba."
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- What's the word?
- Puwaba.
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Puwaba.
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One, two, three.
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Puwaba, puwaba, puwaba!
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Hey!
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It's the first day of shooting.
There's a current of excitement.
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The location is a salt farm
next to a river.
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In the scene, a helicopter brings Willard
to meet the patrol boat
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that will take him on his mission.
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Okay. Stand by!
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Action!
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On one level, the film
is an action-adventure story.
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It's a story of a journey
into a strange and unknown area,
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but it also will hopefully exist
on a philosophical and allegorical level,
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so that, ultimately,
my desire is that it sheds some light
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on the events that took place
and why they took place
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and what it did
to the people involved in them.
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Almost we are persuaded
that there is something after all,
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something essential waiting for all of us
in the dark areas of the world,
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aboriginally loathsome, immeasurable,
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and certainly, nameless.
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Last night,
Francis watched the footage
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from the first week's shooting.
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They were the scenes
with Harvey Keitel, who plays Willard.
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Afterward, he sat down on the couch
with the editors and said,
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"Well, what do you think?"
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I went upstairs to say
good night to the children,
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and when I came down
15 minutes later,
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Francis had made the decision
to replace his leading man.
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We bit the bullet
and did a very, very unpleasant thing,
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which is replace an actor
in mid-shooting.
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Not only unpleasant, but expensive,
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since we had to throw out
several weeks of work and start over.
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Take one.
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Action.
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What do you think, Willard?
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Terminate the Colonel.
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Terminate with extreme prejudice.
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Two days ago, Francis shaved off
his beard and flew to Los Angeles.
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He met with Martin Sheen at the airport.
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Marty agreed to take the role of Willard.
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I had some personal concerns
about my own physical condition.
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I was 36 at the time,
and I felt old and out of shape,
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and I was smoking three packs a day,
not a healthy guy.
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I wondered if I'd be able
to keep up a strenuous schedule.
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At the time I hired on, I remember
it was only a 16-week shoot,
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which didn't prove to be the case,
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but who knew that at the time?
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It is the fifth week of shooting.
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It's getting hotter
as we move into summer.
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Every day,
the project seems to get bigger.
288
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Now, what I want is,
let's say, five helicopters, right?
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Then you have a camera here,
a camera there.
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I want two cameras at once.
291
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We'll have a camera
with Enrico inside the Loach.
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In the script,
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a helicopter unit led by a brash
air cavalry colonel named Kilgore
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leads an attack on a coastal village
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in order to escort Willard's boat
into the river that will lead him to Kurtz.
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This scene with all the extras
and special effects
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is the most logistically complicated
of Francis' career.
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Francis was always reminding me.
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He says, "Vittorio, remember,
this is not just a documentary
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"about the war in Vietnam.
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"This is a main show in the sense
that wherever America goes,
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"they make a big show on everything.
303
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"They make a big event.
304
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"They make a big show
about lights, music.
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"Even the idea to put Wagner on
during the battle sequence,
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"it's part of the show.
It's part of the opera.
307
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"It's part of the major fantasy
that American people has."
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- Tell them to cut.
- Cutting.
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- Very good.
- All cameras are cutting!
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You know, just at the last scene,
the third trip,
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when the Huey come,
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they pass too high.
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Okay. This is Coppola.
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All aircraft, all Hornets,
all picture aircraft,
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everyone land in the rice paddies.
We'll have a meeting.
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Because of the civil war
in the south,
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everyday, the government
sends different pilots
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who haven't participated
in the rehearsals,
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wrecking tens of thousands
of dollars worth of shots.
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All day today, a Philippine
air force general was on the set.
321
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There were rumors that the rebels
were in the hills about 10 miles away.
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The Filipino commanders were afraid
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there could be an attack
on the helicopters we were using.
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In the middle of a complicated shot,
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00:22:51,995 --> 00:22:55,457
the helicopters were called away
to fight the rebels.
326
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So, what?
327
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- They're taking away five.
- Five? They said two.
328
00:23:00,420 --> 00:23:02,172
Wait a second. Stand by.
329
00:23:02,255 --> 00:23:05,049
We just heard they're taking away
five of our helicopters.
330
00:23:05,133 --> 00:23:06,676
Should we do it?
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The Huey go away.
332
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We'll do it next week.
333
00:23:27,572 --> 00:23:28,781
There have been stories
in the press
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about production problems with the film.
335
00:23:30,742 --> 00:23:33,244
Has the filming been delayed?
336
00:23:33,328 --> 00:23:37,832
Well, we're behind,
but we have not stopped shooting at all.
337
00:23:37,916 --> 00:23:40,585
I mean, it's just that
the film is enormous.
338
00:23:40,668 --> 00:23:43,755
I would say it's twice the scope
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00:23:43,838 --> 00:23:46,382
in terms of the production
of any film I've done,
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including the two Godfathers together.
341
00:23:48,426 --> 00:23:51,471
And it's such an enormous film
with so many different aspects.
342
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We're out here hacking inch by inch.
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We are up against, everyday,
100 problems.
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It's like a great war itself.
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- Change!
- You mean right now, sir?
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00:24:08,321 --> 00:24:11,282
I wanna see how rideable that stuff is.
Go change.
347
00:24:11,366 --> 00:24:12,909
It's still pretty hairy out there, sir.
348
00:24:12,992 --> 00:24:15,161
- Do you wanna surf, soldier?
- Yes, sir.
349
00:24:15,245 --> 00:24:20,041
That's good, son, 'cause you either surf
or fight. That clear? Now, get going.
350
00:24:20,375 --> 00:24:24,003
I guess these air cavalry guys
did some pretty crazy stuff
351
00:24:24,087 --> 00:24:26,965
I heard from some
of the technical advisors
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stories about the air cavalry
that were real,
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00:24:31,261 --> 00:24:34,681
that would serve my fulfilling fiction,
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00:24:34,764 --> 00:24:38,017
that they really did,
you know, like, for instance,
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00:24:38,101 --> 00:24:41,354
a guy would go into his helicopter
in North Vietnam
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and try to hook a bicycle and steal it
with the runner.
357
00:24:46,109 --> 00:24:47,068
And they would shoot at him.
358
00:24:47,151 --> 00:24:48,570
He'd hover a while
until they stopped shooting.
359
00:24:48,653 --> 00:24:50,697
Then they'd finally hook the bicycle
and stole...
360
00:24:50,780 --> 00:24:54,534
It's like games to break up
the boredom of being in that war.
361
00:24:55,326 --> 00:24:57,287
Men play strange games.
362
00:25:08,131 --> 00:25:11,009
I love the smell of napalm in the morning.
363
00:25:11,092 --> 00:25:13,678
You know, one time
we had a hill bombed for 12 hours.
364
00:25:13,761 --> 00:25:16,514
And when it was all over, I walked up.
365
00:25:17,307 --> 00:25:20,643
We didn't find one of them,
not one stinking dink body.
366
00:25:22,895 --> 00:25:25,690
But the smell, you know,
that gasoline smell...
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00:25:25,773 --> 00:25:27,567
The whole hill,
368
00:25:28,568 --> 00:25:29,861
it smelled like
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00:25:32,947 --> 00:25:34,157
victory.
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00:25:39,370 --> 00:25:41,789
Someday this war's gonna end.
371
00:25:44,459 --> 00:25:46,711
It was a combination of
not just Heart of Darkness,
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but, like, the Odyssey.
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Kilgore was like the Cyclops.
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00:25:50,423 --> 00:25:53,968
He was something that had to
be overcome, had to be tricked.
375
00:25:54,052 --> 00:25:57,472
And then the Playboy bunnies
were like the Sirens.
376
00:26:01,517 --> 00:26:05,021
This sure enough is a bizarre sight
in the middle of this shit.
377
00:26:08,941 --> 00:26:11,861
The war was taking on
an interesting character,
378
00:26:11,944 --> 00:26:15,114
and it was becoming a psychedelic war,
you know.
379
00:26:15,198 --> 00:26:20,119
The culture was influencing,
sort of seeping into Southeast Asia.
380
00:26:20,203 --> 00:26:24,457
The strange US culture
that was going on
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00:26:26,125 --> 00:26:29,629
where you really get a tone
that it is a rock 'n' roll war,
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00:26:29,712 --> 00:26:34,717
that things have gone a little further
than anyone realized.
383
00:26:37,178 --> 00:26:38,471
At the point
when we were developing this,
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00:26:38,554 --> 00:26:40,682
nobody knew that
there were drugs over there.
385
00:26:40,765 --> 00:26:43,768
Nobody knew all the craziness
that was going on.
386
00:26:43,851 --> 00:26:45,645
A lot was being kept back.
387
00:26:45,728 --> 00:26:47,146
So it was a chance
to really make a movie
388
00:26:47,230 --> 00:26:49,857
that would reveal a lot of things.
389
00:26:51,234 --> 00:26:54,404
What we'd done is strung together
all of John's anecdotes
390
00:26:54,487 --> 00:26:56,322
and some of the things
that he had from his friends
391
00:26:56,406 --> 00:26:58,449
who had been fighting over there.
392
00:26:58,533 --> 00:27:01,828
And it was really a quest
or a trek or something
393
00:27:01,911 --> 00:27:06,207
that would take us through
the various aspects of the Vietnam War,
394
00:27:06,290 --> 00:27:09,544
and we would see it
for the insanity that it was.
395
00:27:10,169 --> 00:27:15,508
At that point, we had it ending
in a very large battle with the Viet Cong
396
00:27:15,591 --> 00:27:19,971
and having Willard
and the Kurtz character
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00:27:20,054 --> 00:27:22,014
fighting off all the Viet Cong.
398
00:27:22,098 --> 00:27:24,767
And then when they bring in the
helicopters to bring his men out,
399
00:27:24,851 --> 00:27:26,352
he says,
"No, I fought too hard for this land,"
400
00:27:26,436 --> 00:27:28,271
and he shoots down the helicopter.
401
00:27:34,777 --> 00:27:36,988
"I summon fire from the sky.
402
00:27:37,363 --> 00:27:39,198
"Do you know what it is
to be a white man
403
00:27:39,282 --> 00:27:42,869
"who can summon fire from the sky?
What it means?
404
00:27:42,952 --> 00:27:45,288
"You can live and die for these things.
405
00:27:45,371 --> 00:27:48,040
"Not silly ideals
that are always betrayed...
406
00:27:48,124 --> 00:27:50,543
"What do you fight for, Captain?"
407
00:27:52,295 --> 00:27:55,006
Then he answers,
"Because it feels good."
408
00:27:57,842 --> 00:28:02,096
I never cared for the ending so much.
I always thought the ending was weak.
409
00:28:02,180 --> 00:28:05,057
The ending didn't top
what had happened with the helicopters,
410
00:28:05,141 --> 00:28:09,228
and it didn't answer
any of the kind of moral issues
411
00:28:09,312 --> 00:28:14,025
that got into a real gung-ho,
macho kind of a comic book ending.
412
00:28:15,234 --> 00:28:19,697
And my choice was to make it
much more back to Heart of Darkness
413
00:28:19,781 --> 00:28:22,617
than really John and George
were intending.
414
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:26,704
I'd like to save the in-depth stuff
for the second reading.
415
00:28:27,663 --> 00:28:31,501
And I think very early on,
I knew that even when I arrived there,
416
00:28:31,584 --> 00:28:35,254
I was gonna take John's script
and mate it with Heart of Darkness
417
00:28:35,338 --> 00:28:37,340
and whatever happened
to me in the jungle.
418
00:28:37,423 --> 00:28:40,301
I mean, I knew that was, like,
my concept.
419
00:28:41,844 --> 00:28:45,014
This afternoon Francis got a call
from his attorney.
420
00:28:45,097 --> 00:28:48,851
Apparently, Brando is refusing to
give Francis the extra time he needs
421
00:28:48,935 --> 00:28:51,395
to rewrite the ending of the movie.
422
00:28:51,479 --> 00:28:53,439
Brando is threatening
to drop out of the project
423
00:28:53,523 --> 00:28:56,150
and keep his million-dollar advance.
424
00:28:56,234 --> 00:29:00,446
Yeah, but are they seriously saying
that Marlon would take a million dollars
425
00:29:01,030 --> 00:29:02,657
and then not show up?
426
00:29:05,076 --> 00:29:06,911
And imagine, here I am
427
00:29:06,994 --> 00:29:10,206
with about 50 things that
are just quasi in my control,
428
00:29:10,289 --> 00:29:12,750
like the Philippine government
and fucking helicopters
429
00:29:12,834 --> 00:29:14,585
which they take away
whenever they feel like,
430
00:29:14,669 --> 00:29:16,462
and they've done it three times already.
431
00:29:16,546 --> 00:29:20,633
I mean, all I'm asking is for Marlon
to allow me to start him a little later.
432
00:29:20,716 --> 00:29:23,219
And I know it's all my fault.
But I'm saying is that
433
00:29:23,302 --> 00:29:25,972
do I also have to shoot
the last 30 minutes of the movie
434
00:29:26,055 --> 00:29:27,098
in the beginning?
435
00:29:27,181 --> 00:29:29,350
Tell them to keep acting, Randy.
436
00:29:29,433 --> 00:29:33,729
I assumed that there would be
some malleability about Marlon,
437
00:29:33,813 --> 00:29:40,069
and I also didn't realize the immensity
of the constructions and stuff
438
00:29:40,361 --> 00:29:43,489
I mean, the picture's
bigger than I thought. It's just gigantic.
439
00:29:43,573 --> 00:29:47,201
I personally, as an artist,
would love the opportunity
440
00:29:47,285 --> 00:29:49,579
to just finish the picture up until the end,
441
00:29:49,662 --> 00:29:52,540
take four weeks off
work with Marlon, rewrite it,
442
00:29:52,623 --> 00:29:54,292
and then in just three weeks,
do the ending.
443
00:29:54,375 --> 00:29:56,669
I think I could make
the best film that way.
444
00:29:56,752 --> 00:29:59,505
It seems like such a,
kind of, bright thing to do.
445
00:29:59,589 --> 00:30:02,592
And I feel that the people back there
446
00:30:02,675 --> 00:30:06,053
feel that postponement is like,
"The picture's in trouble or something."
447
00:30:06,137 --> 00:30:08,139
It's just that very intelligent,
major studios
448
00:30:08,222 --> 00:30:11,851
used to do things like this all the time.
No, I know that.
449
00:30:11,934 --> 00:30:15,396
And that's what sort of bugs me
is the ludicrousness of thinking
450
00:30:15,479 --> 00:30:17,690
that I'm gonna go through
all that I'm doing,
451
00:30:17,773 --> 00:30:21,402
after all I've been through in the past,
after all the pictures I've made
452
00:30:21,485 --> 00:30:24,906
and after shooting 16 weeks,
that I'm not gonna finish a movie
453
00:30:24,989 --> 00:30:28,034
in which I've invested
three years of my life just because...
454
00:30:28,117 --> 00:30:30,161
I mean, it's stupid, man.
455
00:30:30,953 --> 00:30:33,873
Yeah, but even if Brando drops dead,
I can still finish the movie.
456
00:30:33,956 --> 00:30:35,041
I'll just get another actor.
457
00:30:35,124 --> 00:30:37,335
If I can't get Redford,
I'll go back to Nicholson.
458
00:30:37,418 --> 00:30:39,086
If I can't get Nicholson,
I'll go back to Pacino.
459
00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:41,672
If I can't go to Pacino,
I'll go back to someone else.
460
00:30:41,756 --> 00:30:45,676
I mean, sooner or later,
I can get someone for three weeks.
461
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,139
I mean, it's not in the cards
that we're not going to finish the movie.
462
00:31:08,658 --> 00:31:12,828
This is the first day of heavy rain.
A typhoon is off the coast.
463
00:31:12,912 --> 00:31:15,206
I've never seen it rain so hard.
464
00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:17,541
Water has started coming
in the rooms downstairs,
465
00:31:17,625 --> 00:31:20,336
and Sofia is splashing around in it.
466
00:31:20,419 --> 00:31:22,338
Francis has decided to make pasta,
467
00:31:22,421 --> 00:31:25,174
and he's turned on.
La Bohème full volume.
468
00:31:26,342 --> 00:31:30,846
I knew that if weather came,
that I was gonna try to incorporate it.
469
00:31:31,222 --> 00:31:33,933
I didn't realize that
it was on such a big scale.
470
00:31:34,016 --> 00:31:37,353
So I was only thinking
that I got to shoot tomorrow.
471
00:32:14,306 --> 00:32:18,144
Even after that typhoon hit,
he began to film.
472
00:32:18,227 --> 00:32:22,314
He said, "This has happened,
and monsoons hit Vietnam.
473
00:32:22,982 --> 00:32:26,736
"There's a lot of mud,
a lot of rain around. Let's film."
474
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:30,197
Hey, don't leave without me.
475
00:32:31,407 --> 00:32:35,411
We went to Iba
to shoot the scene that got cut.
476
00:32:36,912 --> 00:32:40,041
The set was, like, 80% demolished.
477
00:32:40,124 --> 00:32:42,752
It was, like, mud up to the knees.
478
00:32:42,835 --> 00:32:45,337
It was like pissing, man.
479
00:32:45,421 --> 00:32:47,089
I mean, it was hitting you so hard,
it hurt.
480
00:32:52,678 --> 00:32:56,015
It started out just as raining a lot,
and after a while, we realized
481
00:32:56,098 --> 00:32:59,185
it was knocking out
centers of civilizations,
482
00:32:59,268 --> 00:33:03,147
and rivers were overrunning,
and people couldn't get to the places...
483
00:33:03,230 --> 00:33:06,067
They were all on the roofs
of hotels and stuff.
484
00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:08,444
We had to stop for a while.
485
00:33:08,527 --> 00:33:10,279
And I realized that certain sets
had been destroyed.
486
00:33:34,136 --> 00:33:35,679
In order to rebuild the sets,
487
00:33:35,763 --> 00:33:38,641
Francis has closed down
the production for two months.
488
00:33:38,724 --> 00:33:41,310
The cast and crew
have been sent home.
489
00:33:41,769 --> 00:33:44,355
It was an opportunity
for everyone, really,
490
00:33:44,814 --> 00:33:46,982
to have a little relief from the situation,
491
00:33:47,066 --> 00:33:50,569
because it became apparent
that it was gonna go on longer
492
00:33:50,653 --> 00:33:52,988
than we realized in the beginning.
493
00:33:57,201 --> 00:33:59,787
Last night,
we slept outside on the lawn.
494
00:33:59,870 --> 00:34:02,998
It was beautiful, so clear, with stars.
495
00:34:03,082 --> 00:34:05,918
Francis tossed and turned,
having nightmares.
496
00:34:06,001 --> 00:34:09,588
This morning he said he'd had a dream
about how to finish the script.
497
00:34:09,672 --> 00:34:12,758
But now that he was awake,
it wasn't any good.
498
00:34:12,842 --> 00:34:15,261
He said he couldn't go on
making the John Milius script
499
00:34:15,344 --> 00:34:17,596
because it didn't really express
his ideas,
500
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,101
and he still doesn't know how to make
the film into his personal vision.
501
00:34:22,184 --> 00:34:24,520
He's been struggling with this
for so long.
502
00:34:24,603 --> 00:34:27,022
He knows the material
backwards and forwards.
503
00:34:27,106 --> 00:34:29,650
He is practically chasing his tail.
504
00:34:29,984 --> 00:34:33,445
First of all, I call this whole movie
the Idiodyssey.
505
00:34:34,697 --> 00:34:38,075
- The Idiodyssey?
- This is the Idiodyssey.
506
00:34:38,159 --> 00:34:41,078
None of my tools, none of my tricks,
507
00:34:41,162 --> 00:34:45,958
none of my ways of doing things
works for this ending.
508
00:34:46,709 --> 00:34:50,171
I have tried so many times
that I know I can't do it.
509
00:34:51,088 --> 00:34:53,215
It might be a big victory
to know that I can't do it.
510
00:34:53,299 --> 00:34:56,051
I can't write the ending to this movie.
511
00:34:56,385 --> 00:34:59,722
I was on the spot.
I had gotten myself into something big.
512
00:34:59,805 --> 00:35:03,726
Some people had come through,
a lot of people hadn't.
513
00:35:04,185 --> 00:35:06,687
And it was my job
and also my financial burden
514
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:08,731
to pick up the pieces
and finish the movie.
515
00:35:08,939 --> 00:35:12,735
I didn't quite understand
all the ramifications of the financing.
516
00:35:12,818 --> 00:35:15,821
I felt that he'd do whatever he had to,
we'd borrow the money.
517
00:35:15,905 --> 00:35:17,489
But I really support him as an artist,
518
00:35:17,573 --> 00:35:21,410
and I feel like whatever
the artist needs to do
519
00:35:21,493 --> 00:35:24,121
in order to get his artwork is okay.
520
00:35:24,205 --> 00:35:26,665
And I always felt confident.
So what's the worst that can happen?
521
00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:30,002
They take away your big house,
they take away your car, so what?
522
00:35:30,085 --> 00:35:33,297
He was a very creative person
and could make another film
523
00:35:33,380 --> 00:35:38,928
and could do another job
and earn his living and provide for us.
524
00:35:39,011 --> 00:35:42,514
So I really wasn't frightened by it.
525
00:35:42,598 --> 00:35:46,518
In fact, at that point in time,
we had escalated our lifestyle.
526
00:35:46,602 --> 00:35:49,772
We had this big
22-room Victorian house,
527
00:35:49,855 --> 00:35:51,690
you know, a staff and a screening room.
528
00:35:51,774 --> 00:35:54,777
Life was kind of complicated for me.
And entertaining...
529
00:35:54,860 --> 00:35:57,655
And I would have loved
to have had my lifestyle
530
00:35:57,738 --> 00:35:59,949
reduced to some smaller scale.
531
00:36:00,032 --> 00:36:02,076
So that part of me
was just fearless in that regard.
532
00:36:02,159 --> 00:36:08,249
It really didn't matter if it all went
down the tubes in financing this project.
533
00:36:08,332 --> 00:36:09,375
It was really okay.
534
00:36:15,339 --> 00:36:18,175
A melodrama is currently
playing itself out in Hollywood
535
00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:21,971
that for sheer emotionalism
rivals anything put on film.
536
00:36:22,471 --> 00:36:25,849
The embattled figure in this drama
is director Francis Coppola,
537
00:36:25,933 --> 00:36:28,227
who once again finds himself
waging a war
538
00:36:28,310 --> 00:36:30,729
to keep his dream financially afloat.
539
00:36:30,980 --> 00:36:33,732
Now, if you read newspapers at all
or listen to the radio, you know
540
00:36:33,816 --> 00:36:37,611
that Mr. Coppola has been involved
in the production of this motion picture
541
00:36:37,695 --> 00:36:39,613
for more years than
even he would care to count.
542
00:36:44,827 --> 00:36:46,495
The press painted a portrait of me
543
00:36:46,578 --> 00:36:50,082
as sort of a crazy person
and financially irresponsible,
544
00:36:50,165 --> 00:36:53,085
which I don't particularly think
is really true.
545
00:36:53,168 --> 00:36:54,920
No doubt that it was my money.
546
00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:58,173
But the difference was that
Apocalypse Now was about Vietnam.
547
00:36:58,257 --> 00:37:02,344
That was what made it sound
like such a crazy financial bet.
548
00:37:02,886 --> 00:37:04,930
Did you ever
consider quitting?
549
00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:09,310
How am I going to quit from myself?
Am I going to say, "Francis, I quit"?
550
00:37:09,852 --> 00:37:13,272
You know, I was financing the movie.
How could I quit?
551
00:37:16,567 --> 00:37:18,694
July 25th, 1976.
552
00:37:19,528 --> 00:37:22,698
We've returned to the Philippines
to resume production.
553
00:37:22,781 --> 00:37:26,410
Francis hopes to finish shooting
in the early fall.
554
00:37:33,834 --> 00:37:37,588
There is a kind of powerful exhilaration
in the face of losing everything,
555
00:37:37,671 --> 00:37:38,922
like the excitement of war
556
00:37:39,006 --> 00:37:42,343
when one kills
or takes the chance of being killed.
557
00:37:42,426 --> 00:37:44,636
Francis has taken
the biggest risk of his life
558
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,139
in the way he's making this film.
559
00:37:47,222 --> 00:37:49,641
This film is now $3 million over budget,
560
00:37:49,725 --> 00:37:53,020
which the distributor, United Artists,
has agreed to put up.
561
00:37:53,103 --> 00:37:57,649
But Francis has to pay it back if the film
doesn't make $40 million or more.
562
00:37:57,733 --> 00:38:00,819
That just gets me all the more focused
on the present moment
563
00:38:00,903 --> 00:38:04,990
and not allow myself to think
about the "what-ifs" of the future.
564
00:38:06,533 --> 00:38:08,369
I know that every building that's built
565
00:38:08,452 --> 00:38:12,039
runs into big production overages,
every bridge that's built.
566
00:38:12,122 --> 00:38:13,165
Every NASA project,
567
00:38:13,248 --> 00:38:18,629
any large project that involves
lots of people, conditions, weather,
568
00:38:19,046 --> 00:38:20,130
of a construction nature,
569
00:38:20,214 --> 00:38:21,965
goes over all the time.
570
00:38:22,049 --> 00:38:24,259
And a movie is no exception.
571
00:38:24,343 --> 00:38:27,137
It's true that
since it was my own money,
572
00:38:27,221 --> 00:38:29,848
and once I felt that
I was going in a direction,
573
00:38:29,932 --> 00:38:33,185
I wanted to continue
going in that direction.
574
00:38:33,268 --> 00:38:35,938
Since it was my money,
I just did it, really.
575
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:38,524
There was a sequence in the film,
576
00:38:38,607 --> 00:38:40,901
so-called the French plantation
sequence,
577
00:38:40,984 --> 00:38:43,028
and it involved
578
00:38:43,112 --> 00:38:45,697
the PBR coming ashore
579
00:38:45,781 --> 00:38:51,745
to this rubber plantation still run
by these French-speaking people,
580
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:53,747
and they had a whole bunch of cadre,
581
00:38:53,831 --> 00:38:56,708
and they'd been fighting the Viet Minh
before the Viet Cong,
582
00:38:56,792 --> 00:38:58,961
and they weren't letting go.
583
00:39:00,045 --> 00:39:01,880
Hey, this is
French plantation discussion.
584
00:39:01,964 --> 00:39:02,923
French plantation...
585
00:39:03,006 --> 00:39:08,095
The whole scene is gonna be made
of wisps of fog close to the ground,
586
00:39:08,178 --> 00:39:11,265
and a place that's like a dream.
587
00:39:11,682 --> 00:39:13,725
If you need more fog machines...
588
00:39:13,809 --> 00:39:17,312
Have more than enough machines.
How much do they cost?
589
00:39:17,396 --> 00:39:19,398
- Can I buy the ones I already bought?
- Sure.
590
00:39:19,481 --> 00:39:21,483
Okay I'll give them to you as a gift
after the show,
591
00:39:21,567 --> 00:39:22,568
but have enough of them.
592
00:39:22,651 --> 00:39:24,194
Now, I want some real machine guns.
593
00:39:24,278 --> 00:39:27,406
Get the PC to go over
and strafe the side of that house
594
00:39:27,489 --> 00:39:30,409
as though Fidel Castro
had his last stand there.
595
00:39:30,492 --> 00:39:34,830
I'd like three or four French people,
and I'll spend money for it.
596
00:39:34,913 --> 00:39:36,582
But I don't want to fly them from France.
597
00:39:36,665 --> 00:39:40,711
If you can't get them from Hong Kong,
Singapore, Japan, Okinawa,
598
00:39:40,794 --> 00:39:42,754
then I will fly them from France.
599
00:39:42,838 --> 00:39:44,798
White wine should be served ice cold.
600
00:39:44,882 --> 00:39:48,218
Red wine should be served
at about 58 degrees.
601
00:39:48,302 --> 00:39:51,847
Should be opened approximately
an hour to an hour-and-a-half
602
00:39:51,930 --> 00:39:54,183
to even two hours before served.
603
00:39:54,266 --> 00:39:57,769
I want a French ceremony
that is right out of a fucking...
604
00:39:57,853 --> 00:40:01,607
I want the French to say,
"My God, how did they do that?"
605
00:40:02,858 --> 00:40:04,943
Well, my idea was,
as they progressed up the river,
606
00:40:05,027 --> 00:40:08,030
they were, like,
going back more and more in time
607
00:40:08,113 --> 00:40:10,240
in a funny kind of way,
608
00:40:10,324 --> 00:40:13,285
that we were revisiting
the history of Vietnam in reverse.
609
00:40:13,368 --> 00:40:15,996
And the first stop was
in the '50s almost.
610
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:17,915
We now are with the French.
611
00:40:17,998 --> 00:40:21,502
That was what I was looking for
in the French plantation
612
00:40:21,585 --> 00:40:24,671
that was a kind of ghostly afterview
of something,
613
00:40:24,755 --> 00:40:27,257
almost like they talk about the light
from the stars.
614
00:40:27,341 --> 00:40:30,302
We see it after the star's already dead,
615
00:40:30,385 --> 00:40:32,179
you know, and it was that kind of mood.
616
00:40:34,681 --> 00:40:37,935
It was like having dinner
with a family of ghosts.
617
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,940
There were still a few hundred of them
left on plantations all over Vietnam,
618
00:40:43,023 --> 00:40:46,735
trying to keep themselves convinced
that it was still 1950.
619
00:40:47,402 --> 00:40:51,114
They weren't French anymore,
and they'd never be Vietnamese.
620
00:40:51,949 --> 00:40:55,327
They were floating loose in history,
without a country.
621
00:40:55,410 --> 00:40:59,122
They were hanging on
by their fingernails, but so were we.
622
00:40:59,790 --> 00:41:02,376
We just had more fingernails in it.
623
00:41:03,418 --> 00:41:06,922
How long can you possibly stay here?
624
00:41:09,341 --> 00:41:11,260
- Stay?
- No, no. I mean,
625
00:41:13,053 --> 00:41:14,763
when will you go back home to France?
626
00:41:16,181 --> 00:41:17,516
Back home?
627
00:41:17,933 --> 00:41:20,394
I mean, this is our home, Captain.
628
00:41:20,477 --> 00:41:22,729
- Sooner or later, you're gonna...
- No, Captain!
629
00:41:24,773 --> 00:41:28,235
I mean, you don't know anything
about the French mentality.
630
00:41:28,318 --> 00:41:31,572
It was just the idea
of the French still being there.
631
00:41:31,655 --> 00:41:34,825
There was some speech
that he gives at the end, that he said,
632
00:41:34,908 --> 00:41:38,579
"if they drive us from the house,
we will live in a ditch,
633
00:41:39,246 --> 00:41:43,500
"and if they push us out of the ditch,
we'll live in the jungle.
634
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,880
"All the time we will clean
the blood from our bayonets."
635
00:41:48,964 --> 00:41:50,382
I like that.
636
00:41:50,966 --> 00:41:54,553
So when you ask me
why we want to stay here, Captain,
637
00:41:56,305 --> 00:42:00,726
we want to stay here because it's ours.
It belongs to us.
638
00:42:00,809 --> 00:42:03,145
It keeps our family together.
639
00:42:05,147 --> 00:42:07,190
I mean, we fight for that.
640
00:42:08,275 --> 00:42:10,110
While you Americans,
641
00:42:11,028 --> 00:42:15,907
you are fighting
for the biggest nothing in history.
642
00:42:17,492 --> 00:42:19,661
Our budgets were cut way down
643
00:42:19,745 --> 00:42:22,247
and we didn't get the cast
that we wanted.
644
00:42:22,331 --> 00:42:24,458
But of course, the art department
and the other departments
645
00:42:24,541 --> 00:42:27,210
didn't cut theirs down,
so I was very incensed
646
00:42:27,294 --> 00:42:30,505
that I had this extraordinary set,
that costly set.
647
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:34,509
Extraordinary decorations and stuff
648
00:42:34,593 --> 00:42:37,596
I was just angry
at the French sequence.
649
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:39,931
I cut it out, out of that.
650
00:42:40,015 --> 00:42:42,851
I was very unhappy
on every count.
651
00:42:42,934 --> 00:42:44,478
The light, the whole thing.
652
00:42:44,561 --> 00:42:47,606
So everyone forget that we even shot it.
653
00:42:47,689 --> 00:42:49,858
No longer does it exist.
654
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:08,752
What I'm worried about is that
I'm getting into a self-indulgent pattern.
655
00:43:08,835 --> 00:43:11,922
But don't you, on the one hand,
feel like that's
656
00:43:12,005 --> 00:43:14,883
where your gifts as an artist
are working?
657
00:43:14,966 --> 00:43:17,135
They're on that brink
of not knowing what to do.
658
00:43:17,219 --> 00:43:19,179
What if you just scream out
to the heavens,
659
00:43:19,262 --> 00:43:20,972
"I don't know what the fuck I'm doing!"
660
00:43:21,056 --> 00:43:22,391
I've done that.
661
00:43:22,474 --> 00:43:25,227
That's another form of self-indulgence.
662
00:43:26,395 --> 00:43:29,314
I'm sure I've missed
a whole bunch of opportunities,
663
00:43:29,398 --> 00:43:31,108
and I'm gonna miss others.
664
00:43:31,191 --> 00:43:32,984
But I've caught a lot of them, too.
665
00:43:33,068 --> 00:43:37,197
In the end, it's how many I catch,
not how many I lose.
666
00:43:43,620 --> 00:43:46,123
Francis is in a place
within himself,
667
00:43:46,206 --> 00:43:48,458
a place he never intended to reach,
668
00:43:48,542 --> 00:43:50,001
a place of conflict.
669
00:43:50,085 --> 00:43:54,423
And he can't go back down the river
because the journey has changed him.
670
00:43:54,506 --> 00:43:57,384
I was watching
from the point of view of the observer,
671
00:43:57,467 --> 00:44:00,679
not realizing I was on the journey, too.
672
00:44:00,762 --> 00:44:03,140
Now, I can't go back to the way it was.
673
00:44:03,223 --> 00:44:06,101
Neither can Francis.
Neither can Willard.
674
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,526
It was like traveling back to
the earliest beginnings of the world
675
00:44:14,609 --> 00:44:18,321
when vegetation rioted on the Earth
and the big trees were kings.
676
00:44:18,405 --> 00:44:21,032
Trees, millions of trees,
677
00:44:21,116 --> 00:44:24,703
massive, immense, running up high.
678
00:44:24,786 --> 00:44:27,539
And at their foot,
hugging the bank against the stream,
679
00:44:27,622 --> 00:44:31,710
crept the little begrimed steamboat,
like a sluggish beetle
680
00:44:31,793 --> 00:44:35,255
crawling on the floor of a lofty portico.
681
00:44:35,338 --> 00:44:38,884
Where the company men
imagined it crawled to, I don't know.
682
00:44:38,967 --> 00:44:40,177
For me,
683
00:44:40,927 --> 00:44:42,929
it crawled toward Kurtz.
684
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,991
Francis works in a very intuitive way.
685
00:45:03,533 --> 00:45:08,413
So he likes to take advantage of things
as he moves along through a picture.
686
00:45:08,497 --> 00:45:10,999
And Francis just likes it to flow.
687
00:45:11,082 --> 00:45:13,084
And whenever you do that,
688
00:45:13,168 --> 00:45:16,755
you end up with a problem
of having a film
689
00:45:16,838 --> 00:45:19,174
at times that is way too long
690
00:45:19,257 --> 00:45:23,094
and a film that doesn't have
a really strong narrative line in it
691
00:45:23,178 --> 00:45:26,932
that you can keep
the audience hooked in.
692
00:45:27,015 --> 00:45:29,309
And when you get
into this anger, Albert,
693
00:45:29,392 --> 00:45:32,479
don't decide where you're gonna get to.
694
00:45:32,562 --> 00:45:36,024
Wherever you get to,
as long as it's out of you, is okay.
695
00:45:36,107 --> 00:45:38,109
Francis used to write
on these little cards.
696
00:45:38,193 --> 00:45:41,321
I managed to hold on to some of these.
697
00:45:42,864 --> 00:45:43,990
You want to read
one of them?
698
00:45:44,074 --> 00:45:46,284
Well, let me get the pages right.
699
00:45:46,368 --> 00:45:49,412
And see, we put them
on little cards like this.
700
00:45:51,081 --> 00:45:54,918
Now we have
the main boat approaching.
701
00:45:55,001 --> 00:45:57,295
Now we have the birds.
We don't have the birds great,
702
00:45:57,379 --> 00:45:59,548
but we'll never get it great. The birds...
703
00:45:59,631 --> 00:46:02,926
And then I propose
that we do four close-ups.
704
00:46:03,009 --> 00:46:06,429
Sam, Chief, Martin, everyone,
looking at the birds,
705
00:46:06,513 --> 00:46:09,140
so I can use the sound of the birds
or maybe three birds going through,
706
00:46:09,224 --> 00:46:11,560
and I can create the illusion
of there being birds.
707
00:46:11,643 --> 00:46:15,564
"Birds. Lance.
POVs of blackbirds. Boat."
708
00:46:15,647 --> 00:46:18,483
It was like this. This was his shot list.
709
00:46:18,942 --> 00:46:22,612
Sometimes we'd get pages
that would say...
710
00:46:22,696 --> 00:46:25,866
It'd say "scenes unknown"
on the call sheet.
711
00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:27,993
You just would show up, you know.
712
00:46:28,076 --> 00:46:29,286
They didn't know
what they were going to do.
713
00:46:29,369 --> 00:46:31,872
We didn't just go out there and,
"Oh, what can we do today?"
714
00:46:31,955 --> 00:46:34,791
There was a real plan for each day.
715
00:46:34,875 --> 00:46:37,460
But since Francis is a writer
716
00:46:37,544 --> 00:46:40,005
and was a co-writer of the script,
717
00:46:40,088 --> 00:46:43,425
he could create things at the moment,
718
00:46:43,508 --> 00:46:46,094
and if a new idea came up,
719
00:46:46,177 --> 00:46:48,722
he would sit there up all night
and write it.
720
00:46:48,805 --> 00:46:52,267
Then you're gonna get into this
weird speech of, "Fire, fire.
721
00:46:52,350 --> 00:46:53,810
"You demons. You sons of bitches.
722
00:46:53,894 --> 00:46:55,896
"Get away from us.
Get away from this boat.
723
00:46:55,979 --> 00:46:58,815
"Back, you walking dead,
you zombies, you sons of bitches.
724
00:46:58,899 --> 00:47:00,317
"Captain, you made this.
725
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:02,652
"This is your hell, your nightmare."
726
00:47:02,736 --> 00:47:06,281
I felt that he just thought
a lot of his actors,
727
00:47:06,364 --> 00:47:11,411
we were gems
who were to bring his ideas to life.
728
00:47:11,494 --> 00:47:14,748
And he also took
a lot of our creative input.
729
00:47:15,457 --> 00:47:19,711
Why don't we go,
"You want to kill us all. You're insane.
730
00:47:19,794 --> 00:47:22,464
"You've gone insane.
You're more of a savage.
731
00:47:22,547 --> 00:47:24,382
"You're insane,
savage like those people."
732
00:47:24,466 --> 00:47:25,717
- Or something like that?
- Okay.
733
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:27,719
You try it, though. "This is your hell."
734
00:47:27,802 --> 00:47:31,389
"This dream is your hell.
This is your nightmare.
735
00:47:31,473 --> 00:47:35,143
"You made it, you liquor-guzzling,
dipsomaniac son of a bitch.
736
00:47:35,226 --> 00:47:36,478
"You bastard!"
737
00:47:37,062 --> 00:47:40,649
Somehow get the idea that you...
You're going mad.
738
00:47:40,732 --> 00:47:44,027
You've gone mad.
739
00:47:44,527 --> 00:47:48,573
Once he set that feel for us,
we just started improvising
740
00:47:48,657 --> 00:47:50,575
everything that was happening
on the boat.
741
00:47:50,659 --> 00:47:53,495
Sampan off the port bow.
Let's take a look.
742
00:47:54,454 --> 00:47:56,122
Lance. Bring them in.
743
00:47:56,206 --> 00:47:58,458
Clean, on the .60. Chef, get a. 16.
744
00:47:59,334 --> 00:48:02,712
Francis had us write up
lists of things
745
00:48:02,796 --> 00:48:04,756
that we wanted our characters to do.
746
00:48:06,466 --> 00:48:07,467
I remember we all decided
747
00:48:07,550 --> 00:48:10,011
that we wanted to do
sort of a My Lai Massacre.
748
00:48:10,095 --> 00:48:11,471
We thought an interrogation of a boat
749
00:48:11,554 --> 00:48:15,016
that ended in a firefight
and the loss of many lives.
750
00:48:15,725 --> 00:48:17,727
We wanted to experience
something like that.
751
00:48:18,019 --> 00:48:19,729
- There ain't nothing in here.
- What's in the boxes?
752
00:48:19,813 --> 00:48:21,064
Not a fucking thing.
753
00:48:21,147 --> 00:48:22,273
- Look in that tin can.
- Nothing.
754
00:48:22,357 --> 00:48:24,859
- That rusty can.
- Just fucking rice, that's all!
755
00:48:24,943 --> 00:48:26,152
- There ain't nothing on it!
- Check the yellow can.
756
00:48:26,236 --> 00:48:28,780
Check the yellow can.
She was sitting on it. What's in it?
757
00:48:32,867 --> 00:48:34,119
Chef!
758
00:48:38,915 --> 00:48:41,501
Motherfuckers!
759
00:48:44,087 --> 00:48:46,756
- Hold it!
- Come on, let's kill them all!
760
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,384
- Fucking cocksucking mothers!
- Hold it! Hold it!
761
00:48:49,467 --> 00:48:51,886
Let's kill all the assholes!
Shoot the shit out of all of them.
762
00:48:51,970 --> 00:48:55,390
- Chef, hold it!
- Why not? Jesus Christ.
763
00:48:56,224 --> 00:48:58,518
Why the fuck not?
764
00:48:59,978 --> 00:49:01,646
- Clean?
- I'm good.
765
00:49:06,359 --> 00:49:08,570
See what she was running for?
766
00:49:11,781 --> 00:49:13,575
It's a fucking puppy!
767
00:49:13,908 --> 00:49:18,371
I think what it was that was me
that was Clean was just that I was a kid.
768
00:49:18,663 --> 00:49:21,249
And that's, I think,
what my role is about.
769
00:49:21,332 --> 00:49:24,753
I mean, it's about the kids
that were over there
770
00:49:26,671 --> 00:49:29,382
who didn't know anything
about anything.
771
00:49:30,759 --> 00:49:34,345
They were just kind of snatched up
and used as cannon fodder for this war.
772
00:50:06,294 --> 00:50:08,379
Everyone who has come out here
to the Philippines
773
00:50:08,463 --> 00:50:12,008
seems to be going through something
that is affecting them profoundly,
774
00:50:12,092 --> 00:50:15,970
changing their perspective
about the world or themselves,
775
00:50:16,054 --> 00:50:19,724
while the same thing is happening
to Willard in the course of the film.
776
00:50:19,808 --> 00:50:23,103
Something is definitely
happening to me and to Francis.
777
00:51:14,362 --> 00:51:15,738
Filmmaking, at least for me,
778
00:51:15,822 --> 00:51:19,450
wasn't really just a matter
of writing this little script
779
00:51:19,534 --> 00:51:22,954
and then going and doing it
as you thought that your own life
780
00:51:23,037 --> 00:51:24,956
and your own experience
during the making of it
781
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:27,375
was also a very strong element,
782
00:51:27,959 --> 00:51:30,545
and that somehow the director works
783
00:51:30,628 --> 00:51:34,549
with more than just having the script
784
00:51:34,632 --> 00:51:36,968
and having the team
of people and actors.
785
00:51:37,051 --> 00:51:41,764
Also, the conditions and the mood
of the company and of each individual
786
00:51:41,848 --> 00:51:43,808
and what personally
people are going through
787
00:51:43,892 --> 00:51:48,396
is also one of
the primary elements of the film.
788
00:51:48,479 --> 00:51:52,358
I mean, what's the matter with you?
You're acting kind of weird.
789
00:51:52,442 --> 00:51:55,195
Hey, you know that last tab of acid
I was saving?
790
00:51:55,278 --> 00:51:57,655
- Yeah.
- I dropped it.
791
00:51:57,739 --> 00:52:00,867
You dropped acid? Far out.
792
00:52:00,950 --> 00:52:04,537
Most of my character was done
under the influence of pot.
793
00:52:05,246 --> 00:52:07,248
We smoked a lot of that.
794
00:52:09,584 --> 00:52:13,504
You know, the film crew
just became our guests upriver with us.
795
00:52:14,589 --> 00:52:16,841
- Did you drop any acid?
- Sure.
796
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,177
Did you drop any acid
during filming?
797
00:52:19,260 --> 00:52:20,345
Sure.
798
00:52:21,387 --> 00:52:23,097
At Do Luong bridge?
799
00:52:26,726 --> 00:52:30,104
No, I did something else
at Do Luong bridge. I...
800
00:52:31,439 --> 00:52:34,776
I didn't take any acid there.
I did something else.
801
00:52:35,610 --> 00:52:38,529
- What did you do?
- I was doing speed then.
802
00:52:38,613 --> 00:52:43,785
We were working lots of nights,
and I wanted a speedy sort of edge. I...
803
00:52:46,621 --> 00:52:48,831
And marijuana and alcohol...
804
00:52:48,915 --> 00:52:51,334
I mean, we were bad.
We were just bad boys.
805
00:52:51,584 --> 00:52:54,796
Sort of crazy, you know. Slightly mad.
806
00:52:55,588 --> 00:52:56,839
The whole thing was mad, you know.
807
00:52:56,923 --> 00:52:59,300
We felt after a while
we really weren't there.
808
00:52:59,384 --> 00:53:01,302
It was like
we were in a dream or something.
809
00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:03,221
We'd say to Francis,
810
00:53:03,304 --> 00:53:07,267
"I'm not here, Francis.
I'm in Montana with Jack Nicholson."
811
00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:09,227
So they'd say,
"Where are you today, Freddy?"
812
00:53:09,310 --> 00:53:11,688
I'd be in Waco,
I could be in Des Moines...
813
00:53:11,771 --> 00:53:13,481
Wherever I wanted to be.
814
00:53:13,564 --> 00:53:17,277
And you would just go through your day.
You weren't in that place.
815
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:18,945
...study at the Escoffier School.
816
00:53:19,028 --> 00:53:20,321
That was really crazy, man,
817
00:53:20,405 --> 00:53:23,741
that time in the jungle
with me and Marty and the tiger.
818
00:53:23,825 --> 00:53:27,078
Yeah, that was really...
That was just insane.
819
00:53:27,453 --> 00:53:31,040
We had this guy there with the tiger...
A couple, the trainers.
820
00:53:31,124 --> 00:53:32,917
He had a slight speech impediment.
821
00:53:33,001 --> 00:53:36,337
He had scar tissue,
like, all over his face
822
00:53:36,421 --> 00:53:39,173
where he'd had some bouts
with his tiger, Gambi.
823
00:53:39,799 --> 00:53:44,012
You had a cat that's done that two
or three times, it's no longer worth it.
824
00:53:44,762 --> 00:53:47,432
Because once
they put a hole in your leg...
825
00:53:47,515 --> 00:53:50,351
It's usually on the joint because
it's usually where they're going for,
826
00:53:50,435 --> 00:53:53,104
and you can't walk for a year.
827
00:53:53,187 --> 00:53:54,272
And you don't wanna do it anymore,
828
00:53:54,355 --> 00:53:57,191
so you usually put the cat out
and start over again.
829
00:53:57,275 --> 00:54:01,112
The trainer had, like,
a pig on a string, so the tiger would see him.
830
00:54:01,195 --> 00:54:02,405
Then he was gonna pull him back
831
00:54:02,488 --> 00:54:04,615
to make him jump
at the right angle or something.
832
00:54:04,699 --> 00:54:06,617
So the guy'd come around and say,
833
00:54:06,701 --> 00:54:10,455
"Gambi's very hungry today, Martin.
He's very hungry, Mr. Coppola.
834
00:54:10,538 --> 00:54:12,623
"I'm sure he will do exactly
what you want.
835
00:54:12,707 --> 00:54:14,625
"We haven't fed him in a week."
836
00:54:14,709 --> 00:54:16,627
- Oh, shit.
- Action.
837
00:54:18,338 --> 00:54:20,923
We'd come out there and
Francis'd keep saying, "Get closer."
838
00:54:21,007 --> 00:54:24,635
We're saying, "You get closer, Francis.
You get closer."
839
00:54:28,848 --> 00:54:30,224
What is it?
840
00:54:32,477 --> 00:54:34,395
Charlie? VC?
841
00:54:40,693 --> 00:54:41,903
Tiger!
842
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:45,782
Man, I've never been
so frightened in my life,
843
00:54:45,865 --> 00:54:47,742
because it was so fast, man.
844
00:54:47,825 --> 00:54:50,953
Guys were running everywhere,
climbing trees.
845
00:54:51,037 --> 00:54:53,498
I gotta remember. Never get out of the boat.
846
00:54:53,581 --> 00:54:54,916
Never get out of the boat!
847
00:54:54,999 --> 00:54:58,878
And to me, that was the essence
of the whole film in Vietnam,
848
00:54:58,961 --> 00:55:02,882
where it was the look
in that tiger's eyes, the madness,
849
00:55:02,965 --> 00:55:06,427
like it didn't matter what you wanted.
There was no reality anymore.
850
00:55:06,511 --> 00:55:09,389
If that tiger wanted you, you were his.
851
00:55:15,937 --> 00:55:18,147
Never get out of the boat.
852
00:55:18,231 --> 00:55:20,191
Absolutely goddamn right.
853
00:55:22,235 --> 00:55:24,695
Unless you were going all the way.
854
00:55:26,447 --> 00:55:30,535
I remember complaining
to Francis one day about my confusion
855
00:55:30,618 --> 00:55:33,955
about all that was going down,
and I said to him,
856
00:55:34,038 --> 00:55:37,125
"I don't know who this guy is.
Who is this Willard?"
857
00:55:37,208 --> 00:55:40,294
And Francis just looked at me
square in the eye and he said,
858
00:55:40,378 --> 00:55:43,506
"He's you. Whoever you are.
859
00:55:44,841 --> 00:55:48,928
"Whatever we're filming at the time,
you are that character."
860
00:55:53,683 --> 00:55:55,518
Francis said he had a dream
a few nights ago
861
00:55:55,601 --> 00:55:58,229
about being on the set
of the Saigon hotel room
862
00:55:58,312 --> 00:56:00,940
with Marty and a Green Beret advisor.
863
00:56:01,023 --> 00:56:03,651
In the dream,
the Green Beret was telling Francis
864
00:56:03,734 --> 00:56:08,156
that what he was doing with Marty
was wrong. It would never be like that.
865
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:11,075
The Green Beret said
those guys were vain.
866
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:12,368
The guy would go to the mirror
867
00:56:12,452 --> 00:56:15,538
and admire his beautiful hair
and beautiful mouth.
868
00:56:15,621 --> 00:56:19,625
In Francis' dream, he had Marty
go to the mirror and look at himself,
869
00:56:19,709 --> 00:56:21,377
admire his mouth.
870
00:56:21,461 --> 00:56:22,920
And when he turned around,
871
00:56:23,004 --> 00:56:27,091
Francis could see that Marty
had suddenly turned into Willard.
872
00:56:33,222 --> 00:56:35,766
Francis was going for a moment
873
00:56:35,850 --> 00:56:39,896
where you see
Martin Sheen's dark side,
874
00:56:39,979 --> 00:56:42,231
his primeval being or something...
875
00:56:42,315 --> 00:56:46,444
Some part of him
that would lead you to understand
876
00:56:46,527 --> 00:56:49,280
how this person could
commit an assassination.
877
00:56:49,697 --> 00:56:53,493
At the time of doing that scene,
I was talking in terms of
878
00:56:53,576 --> 00:56:58,122
showing the different levels
of good and evil in yourself.
879
00:56:58,206 --> 00:57:02,084
And I imagined that this guy did things
that nobody had ever seen,
880
00:57:02,168 --> 00:57:04,504
or he'd never talk to anyone,
must still be in him.
881
00:57:04,587 --> 00:57:08,758
And he must have that Kurtzian
other side in him.
882
00:57:09,342 --> 00:57:11,636
Fellows, get ready as soon
as you can, please!
883
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,346
Let's go. Got to reload.
884
00:57:13,429 --> 00:57:14,472
Give us a little boost here!
885
00:57:14,555 --> 00:57:16,766
Okay, fellows, here we go.
886
00:57:20,937 --> 00:57:25,191
They set up this hotel room,
and Marty decided to have a few drinks.
887
00:57:26,067 --> 00:57:27,735
He wasn't drinking at all at the time,
888
00:57:27,818 --> 00:57:31,572
and they rolled the cameras
without telling him what to do.
889
00:57:34,909 --> 00:57:37,495
Fellows, watch your reflections
in the mirror. Here we go.
890
00:57:37,578 --> 00:57:38,829
Yeah, places, everybody.
891
00:57:38,913 --> 00:57:41,415
Five-B, take three, camera A.
892
00:57:41,666 --> 00:57:42,875
Action!
893
00:57:45,336 --> 00:57:50,508
That opening sequence was shot
on my 36th birthday, August 3rd,
894
00:57:50,591 --> 00:57:53,761
and I was so drunk,
I couldn't stand up, frankly.
895
00:57:54,554 --> 00:57:57,348
Marty,
go look at yourself in the mirror.
896
00:57:59,767 --> 00:58:01,185
I want you to look
at how beautiful you are.
897
00:58:01,269 --> 00:58:05,189
I want you to look at your mouth,
your mouth and your hair.
898
00:58:09,569 --> 00:58:11,779
You look like a movie star.
899
00:58:15,575 --> 00:58:17,785
Now frighten yourself, Marty.
900
00:58:19,453 --> 00:58:22,248
Show yourself the part that's an animal.
901
00:58:34,552 --> 00:58:38,347
I was so intoxicated, I didn't realize
how close to the mirror I was.
902
00:58:38,431 --> 00:58:39,724
So when I struck it,
903
00:58:39,807 --> 00:58:44,103
I ended up catching my thumb
in the mirror and split it open a bit.
904
00:58:46,314 --> 00:58:47,523
Okay, cut.
905
00:58:49,358 --> 00:58:50,651
Do we have a doctor?
906
00:58:51,485 --> 00:58:54,113
Francis tried to stop it,
and he called for a doctor.
907
00:58:54,196 --> 00:58:58,826
There was a nurse standing by,
and I said, "No, let it go.
908
00:58:59,660 --> 00:59:02,079
"I want to have this out
right here and now."
909
00:59:02,163 --> 00:59:04,457
It had to do with facing
my worst enemy, myself.
910
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,171
I was in a chaotic, spiritual state inside.
911
00:59:15,509 --> 00:59:17,053
Talk to me.
912
00:59:22,475 --> 00:59:25,478
Why did you come back?
Why did you come back?
913
00:59:32,985 --> 00:59:35,196
I fought him like a tiger.
914
00:59:36,322 --> 00:59:40,201
It was real hard for me to reveal myself.
915
00:59:41,619 --> 00:59:43,496
You fucker!
916
00:59:45,122 --> 00:59:46,666
Think about it.
917
00:59:48,209 --> 00:59:49,627
Your wife.
918
00:59:52,046 --> 00:59:54,715
- Your home.
- I...
919
00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:56,133
Your car.
920
01:00:00,221 --> 01:00:01,347
My...
921
01:00:03,391 --> 01:00:06,560
My heart is broken!
922
01:00:09,772 --> 01:00:11,899
God damn it!
923
01:00:13,818 --> 01:00:15,653
The room had been charged
with the possibility
924
01:00:15,736 --> 01:00:19,156
that Marty might lunge at the camera
or attack Francis.
925
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,369
There was an electricity in the room.
Anything could happen.
926
01:00:23,452 --> 01:00:26,664
They were inside somebody,
in his personal territory,
927
01:00:26,747 --> 01:00:29,792
with a man alone
in his most private moment.
928
01:00:38,259 --> 01:00:42,596
I pretended I couldn't remember
a lot of the things I'd done that night.
929
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,765
Actually, I remembered it all.
930
01:00:45,516 --> 01:00:47,435
Dave, give me a hand, would you?
931
01:00:48,227 --> 01:00:50,771
Come on, pal, let's take a shower.
932
01:00:52,565 --> 01:00:57,278
Marty is extremely generous,
big-hearted man.
933
01:00:58,779 --> 01:01:01,073
He's filled with a lot of love,
934
01:01:01,615 --> 01:01:04,618
and...
935
01:01:05,619 --> 01:01:07,371
Much unlike Willard.
936
01:01:09,749 --> 01:01:13,294
And so, when you ask Marty
937
01:01:14,170 --> 01:01:17,423
to examine the darker nature
of this character,
938
01:01:18,799 --> 01:01:21,469
it meant closing himself down a lot
939
01:01:21,969 --> 01:01:25,431
and becoming very inward,
940
01:01:25,514 --> 01:01:28,142
in order to find the killer
941
01:01:28,225 --> 01:01:31,979
who could carry out the task
and terminate Kurtz.
942
01:01:33,272 --> 01:01:34,899
I think it was...
943
01:01:34,982 --> 01:01:38,194
Willard was definitely responsible
944
01:01:38,277 --> 01:01:41,030
for Marty's own breakdown.
945
01:01:47,536 --> 01:01:49,955
March 1, 1977.
946
01:01:50,289 --> 01:01:51,916
Last night at 2:00 in the morning,
947
01:01:51,999 --> 01:01:54,835
Marty Sheen experienced
severe chest pains.
948
01:01:55,336 --> 01:01:58,172
At daybreak, he crawled out of his room
and down to the local highway,
949
01:01:58,255 --> 01:02:01,091
where he was picked up
by a public bus.
950
01:02:01,175 --> 01:02:02,760
After being taken
to the production office,
951
01:02:02,843 --> 01:02:05,304
he was rushed to the hospital.
952
01:02:05,387 --> 01:02:09,016
Marty, it turned out,
had suffered a serious heart attack.
953
01:02:09,099 --> 01:02:13,062
He received last rites from a priest
who did not speak English.
954
01:02:15,314 --> 01:02:19,944
I really had a very close call
and I realized...
955
01:02:20,027 --> 01:02:22,404
It's nothing that I can put into words.
956
01:02:22,488 --> 01:02:25,616
I just knew that if I wanted to live,
it was my choice.
957
01:02:25,699 --> 01:02:27,368
If I wanted to die,
that was my choice, too.
958
01:02:27,910 --> 01:02:28,953
There wasn't even any fear.
959
01:02:29,036 --> 01:02:33,249
The fear only came when I realized later
how close I came to the end.
960
01:02:33,332 --> 01:02:35,376
That's when I got scared.
961
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:40,214
I remember the phone ringing,
and my secretary said,
962
01:02:40,923 --> 01:02:46,887
"Marty's had a heart attack,
and Francis doesn't want to admit it."
963
01:02:47,346 --> 01:02:50,140
Dave Salvin let Melissa
tell Barry Hirsch
964
01:02:50,224 --> 01:02:53,686
that Marty had a heart attack!
What the fuck is that?
965
01:02:54,728 --> 01:02:56,313
What the fuck is that?
966
01:02:56,397 --> 01:02:59,692
You know that it's gonna be
all over Hollywood in a half an hour?
967
01:02:59,775 --> 01:03:02,862
If Marty is so seriously stricken,
968
01:03:02,945 --> 01:03:05,030
then he must go back.
969
01:03:05,114 --> 01:03:07,408
Of course he will go back,
and we'll eat it,
970
01:03:07,491 --> 01:03:10,411
but when I talked to the doctor,
they didn't know.
971
01:03:10,494 --> 01:03:11,745
Marty's a young man.
972
01:03:11,829 --> 01:03:15,666
He probably would be able
to be up and about in three weeks.
973
01:03:17,209 --> 01:03:19,420
I said, "Could he do non-strenuous work
974
01:03:19,503 --> 01:03:22,006
"such as just close-ups,
sitting and acting?"
975
01:03:22,089 --> 01:03:23,340
He said, "Possibly, yes."
976
01:03:23,424 --> 01:03:25,301
That's all I need to hear from the doctor.
977
01:03:25,384 --> 01:03:29,513
So what's going on in fucking
trade winds is fucking gossip.
978
01:03:29,597 --> 01:03:30,848
Gossip.
979
01:03:31,348 --> 01:03:32,892
That gossip can finish me off.
980
01:03:32,975 --> 01:03:35,561
If UA hears that it's eight weeks,
981
01:03:35,644 --> 01:03:37,855
UA with a $27 million negative
982
01:03:37,938 --> 01:03:40,524
is gonna force me
to complete it with what I've got,
983
01:03:40,608 --> 01:03:43,152
- and I don't have the movie yet.
- Right.
984
01:03:43,235 --> 01:03:44,361
All right, now,
you understand exactly?
985
01:03:44,445 --> 01:03:45,487
Yes.
986
01:03:45,571 --> 01:03:48,866
If Marty dies, I wanna hear
that everything's okay,
987
01:03:48,949 --> 01:03:50,910
until I say, "Marty is dead."
988
01:03:50,993 --> 01:03:51,994
- You got it?
- Right.
989
01:03:52,077 --> 01:03:55,039
If it's not done, man,
ship the whole office out of here.
990
01:03:55,122 --> 01:03:56,540
- You know what I'm saying?
- Yes.
991
01:03:56,624 --> 01:03:58,208
Okay, I'm really scared, guys.
992
01:03:58,292 --> 01:04:00,794
The first time
I've been scared on this movie.
993
01:04:01,629 --> 01:04:06,216
Whenever Francis gets in trouble
on a picture, and not sure...
994
01:04:06,300 --> 01:04:09,303
The thing is to keep going,
which I respect and admire.
995
01:04:09,386 --> 01:04:11,180
You gotta keep moving forward.
996
01:04:11,263 --> 01:04:12,473
'Cause, I mean, of course,
997
01:04:12,556 --> 01:04:15,225
the guy had mortgaged his home
and everything else
998
01:04:15,309 --> 01:04:17,603
to be able to make this movie.
999
01:04:20,272 --> 01:04:22,441
We shot masters of scenes.
1000
01:04:23,192 --> 01:04:26,487
A lot of that material we shot
with a double over Marty's shoulder.
1001
01:04:26,570 --> 01:04:30,366
Then we went back when he came back
and shot the close-ups.
1002
01:04:31,367 --> 01:04:33,994
So we had to find work
for the shooting unit
1003
01:04:34,078 --> 01:04:36,872
for as long as it was gonna take
to get Marty back.
1004
01:04:37,331 --> 01:04:38,582
Okay...
1005
01:04:38,666 --> 01:04:41,502
I'll shoot anything.
Tell me something I can shoot.
1006
01:04:41,585 --> 01:04:44,046
We're out of little pickups
to shoot.
1007
01:04:44,129 --> 01:04:45,756
I'll shoot the transition
to medevac.
1008
01:04:45,839 --> 01:04:48,801
Or I'll do a take of this.
I'll shoot anything.
1009
01:04:49,843 --> 01:04:51,720
Give me a break.
What did I accomplish today?
1010
01:04:51,804 --> 01:04:53,847
You found out, number one,
1011
01:04:53,931 --> 01:04:55,265
that we're going to have
a tremendous problem
1012
01:04:55,349 --> 01:04:56,600
without Marty with these scenes.
1013
01:04:56,684 --> 01:04:57,935
We knew we were gonna have to
1014
01:04:58,018 --> 01:05:00,437
at least open one major scene
without Marty.
1015
01:05:00,521 --> 01:05:01,522
I knew that a lot.
1016
01:05:01,605 --> 01:05:04,274
I told you we could get through
three weeks or four weeks maybe,
1017
01:05:04,358 --> 01:05:06,652
but after that, we were in trouble.
We both knew it.
1018
01:05:06,735 --> 01:05:09,905
All I'm saying is, from my
point of view, I'd like to do something.
1019
01:05:09,989 --> 01:05:14,702
I feel like I'm this Peck's Bad Boy
who's, like, being unreasonable.
1020
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:18,330
Can I have a club soda?
1021
01:05:18,414 --> 01:05:20,582
- Club soda department?
- Yeah.
1022
01:05:31,677 --> 01:05:34,054
Who knows
what Francis had put together?
1023
01:05:34,138 --> 01:05:36,974
And they brought me back
to put the script back together,
1024
01:05:37,057 --> 01:05:40,394
and everybody said,
"Thank God! He's returned to reason!
1025
01:05:40,477 --> 01:05:43,897
"Thank God! This will be all right now!
This is a new day!
1026
01:05:43,981 --> 01:05:46,191
"This thing will finally be released."
1027
01:05:46,275 --> 01:05:49,987
They said, "Go in there and tell him
that he's been crazy."
1028
01:05:50,070 --> 01:05:51,488
And all this kind of stuff.
1029
01:05:51,572 --> 01:05:56,785
I felt like von Rundstedt
going to see Hitler in 1944,
1030
01:05:56,869 --> 01:05:58,120
and I was gonna be telling him
1031
01:05:58,203 --> 01:05:59,788
there was no more gasoline
on the eastern front,
1032
01:05:59,872 --> 01:06:02,374
and the whole thing was going to fold.
1033
01:06:02,458 --> 01:06:04,960
And I came out an hour-and-a-half later,
1034
01:06:05,044 --> 01:06:08,088
and he had convinced me
that this was the first film
1035
01:06:08,172 --> 01:06:10,841
that would win a Nobel Prize, you know.
1036
01:06:10,924 --> 01:06:13,052
And so I came out of the room
like von Rundstedt,
1037
01:06:13,135 --> 01:06:16,180
"We can win!
1038
01:06:16,263 --> 01:06:18,307
"We don't need gasoline!"
1039
01:06:18,390 --> 01:06:22,144
He had completely turned me around.
I would have done anything.
1040
01:06:25,606 --> 01:06:27,858
April 19th, 1977.
1041
01:06:28,609 --> 01:06:30,903
This is Marty's first day back on the set.
1042
01:06:30,986 --> 01:06:32,946
He arrived about an hour ago.
1043
01:06:33,030 --> 01:06:34,156
He looks tan and terrific,
1044
01:06:34,239 --> 01:06:36,742
just like he came back
from Palm Beach.
1045
01:06:36,825 --> 01:06:40,204
Francis put his ear on Marty's chest
to check him out.
1046
01:06:40,287 --> 01:06:42,414
He said he looked too good.
1047
01:07:00,682 --> 01:07:02,726
Part of me was afraid
of what I would find
1048
01:07:02,810 --> 01:07:05,354
and what I would do when I got there.
1049
01:07:07,731 --> 01:07:10,484
I knew the risks,
1050
01:07:10,567 --> 01:07:12,319
or imagined I knew.
1051
01:07:14,696 --> 01:07:19,618
But the thing I felt the most,
much stronger than fear,
1052
01:07:20,410 --> 01:07:22,704
was the desire to confront him.
1053
01:07:35,300 --> 01:07:38,929
What I have to arrive at
in my mind is Willard's state of mind
1054
01:07:39,012 --> 01:07:42,224
when he arrives at the compound.
1055
01:07:42,307 --> 01:07:45,269
He could either arrive incredibly angry
1056
01:07:45,352 --> 01:07:48,939
or like a newborn baby.
1057
01:07:49,022 --> 01:07:52,359
And I think what he should find
at the end is death.
1058
01:07:52,693 --> 01:07:56,864
That at the end of this whole thing,
1059
01:07:56,947 --> 01:07:59,199
there is a frightening...
1060
01:08:01,660 --> 01:08:04,788
A frightening place
that just smells of death.
1061
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,042
In the script,
1062
01:08:09,126 --> 01:08:13,297
Kurtz has trained a tribe of local
Montagnard Indians as his private army.
1063
01:08:13,380 --> 01:08:15,924
Rather than dress up Filipino extras
everyday,
1064
01:08:16,008 --> 01:08:18,177
Francis has recruited
a tribe of Ifugao Indians
1065
01:08:18,260 --> 01:08:20,470
from the mountains to the north.
1066
01:08:20,554 --> 01:08:22,890
There is a rumor on the set that,
until recently,
1067
01:08:22,973 --> 01:08:25,893
the Ifugao were practicing headhunters.
1068
01:08:27,019 --> 01:08:29,146
Last Saturday, they had a feast.
1069
01:08:29,229 --> 01:08:33,108
The old men of the tribe
sat in the priest's house and chanted.
1070
01:08:33,192 --> 01:08:34,526
I wanted to film the ceremony,
1071
01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:37,613
so their mayor asked permission for me
to shoot.
1072
01:08:37,696 --> 01:08:42,326
I was told if I entered, I could not leave
during the first set of chants.
1073
01:08:42,409 --> 01:08:47,539
I was interested in documenting,
photographing the actual ritual
1074
01:08:47,623 --> 01:08:49,750
that they performed.
1075
01:08:52,002 --> 01:08:55,339
They began at night,
inside their hut up on stilts,
1076
01:08:55,422 --> 01:08:59,218
and they drank a lot of rice wine
and chanted,
1077
01:08:59,301 --> 01:09:02,471
and they told a long story
in their own language.
1078
01:09:05,724 --> 01:09:07,184
This went on during the night.
1079
01:09:07,267 --> 01:09:12,356
The next morning, they began to kill
some chickens and look at their bile
1080
01:09:12,439 --> 01:09:14,942
and tell the fortune of the tribe.
1081
01:09:15,025 --> 01:09:18,737
And then they killed some pigs
in a very sacrificial way.
1082
01:09:27,996 --> 01:09:29,039
By this time,
1083
01:09:29,122 --> 01:09:31,541
I felt that there was something
very profound and moving
1084
01:09:31,625 --> 01:09:32,709
about this experience,
1085
01:09:32,793 --> 01:09:35,712
so I ran back to the house
to get Francis,
1086
01:09:35,796 --> 01:09:37,297
and I said,
"You know, you've got to see this,
1087
01:09:37,381 --> 01:09:40,008
"because they're going to kill a caribou."
1088
01:09:40,092 --> 01:09:41,927
He was writing
and didn't really wanna come,
1089
01:09:42,010 --> 01:09:44,596
but I really encouraged him
to come back to the location.
1090
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,683
And we got back there
just maybe 10 minutes
1091
01:09:47,766 --> 01:09:51,395
before they killed this caribou
in this ritual way.
1092
01:09:51,478 --> 01:09:53,730
The caribou was standing there,
1093
01:09:53,814 --> 01:09:56,066
and they just seemed to come out
from nowhere
1094
01:09:56,149 --> 01:10:00,362
and just kill it very quickly
with these big machetes,
1095
01:10:00,445 --> 01:10:02,322
and it fell to the ground.
1096
01:10:04,157 --> 01:10:07,077
There was something very beautiful
and strong and profound
1097
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:08,662
about these people
who killed this animal,
1098
01:10:08,745 --> 01:10:13,208
and then they all ate it at a festival,
1099
01:10:13,292 --> 01:10:15,168
kind of like Thanksgiving.
1100
01:10:24,594 --> 01:10:26,763
As Francis and I
were getting ready to leave,
1101
01:10:26,847 --> 01:10:28,765
the mayor asked
if we would do the priest
1102
01:10:28,849 --> 01:10:31,268
the honor of accepting
the best part of the caribou
1103
01:10:31,351 --> 01:10:34,313
that is usually reserved for him,
the heart.
1104
01:10:34,813 --> 01:10:36,231
We thanked him.
1105
01:10:36,315 --> 01:10:37,357
Through a translator,
1106
01:10:37,441 --> 01:10:40,068
he said that he would like his picture
taken with Francis.
1107
01:10:40,152 --> 01:10:41,278
I took a photograph
1108
01:10:41,361 --> 01:10:44,948
of the two priests and Francis
standing there together.
1109
01:10:47,534 --> 01:10:53,332
It was enough like people in war
who get set up like little tribal chieftains
1110
01:10:53,415 --> 01:10:57,711
to stimulate the imagination
along those lines.
1111
01:10:58,879 --> 01:11:04,134
A film director is kind of one of
the last truly dictatorial posts left
1112
01:11:04,801 --> 01:11:07,137
in a world
getting more and more democratic.
1113
01:11:07,220 --> 01:11:10,349
So that, plus being
1114
01:11:10,432 --> 01:11:13,518
in a distant, Oriental country,
1115
01:11:15,062 --> 01:11:18,148
the fact that pretty much
it was my own money
1116
01:11:18,231 --> 01:11:22,402
and that I was making it on the crest
of the acclaim of the Godfather films,
1117
01:11:22,486 --> 01:11:24,154
you know, I was wealthy,
1118
01:11:24,237 --> 01:11:28,408
did contribute to a state of mind
that was like Kurtz.
1119
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,044
What did they tell you?
1120
01:11:41,421 --> 01:11:42,964
They told me
1121
01:11:43,924 --> 01:11:45,384
that you had gone
1122
01:11:46,593 --> 01:11:48,220
totally insane,
1123
01:11:50,889 --> 01:11:55,769
and that your methods were
1124
01:11:56,311 --> 01:11:57,396
unsound.
1125
01:12:01,108 --> 01:12:03,151
Are my methods unsound?
1126
01:12:09,074 --> 01:12:15,288
I don't see any method at all, sir.
1127
01:12:22,504 --> 01:12:23,547
Thirty-eight takes
1128
01:12:23,630 --> 01:12:26,716
and Francis said the scene
was never the way he wanted it.
1129
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,969
The people who were
playing the severed heads
1130
01:12:29,052 --> 01:12:31,012
sat in their boxes buried in the ground
1131
01:12:31,096 --> 01:12:33,640
from 8:00 in the morning
till 6:00 at night.
1132
01:12:33,723 --> 01:12:37,394
All day they were there in the hot sun
with smoke blowing on them.
1133
01:12:37,477 --> 01:12:40,647
Between takes,
they were covered with umbrellas.
1134
01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:35,452
It's nice because this is the moment
when Chief dies,
1135
01:13:35,535 --> 01:13:38,705
that he looks up
and sees this harlequin figure
1136
01:13:38,788 --> 01:13:40,790
waving all the people away.
1137
01:13:40,874 --> 01:13:44,377
He sees, essentially, Dennis Hopper.
Know what I mean?
1138
01:13:45,128 --> 01:13:48,882
Zap them with
your siren, man. Zap them with your siren.
1139
01:13:50,717 --> 01:13:53,220
I have Dennis Hopper playing
a spaced-out photojournalist
1140
01:13:53,303 --> 01:13:57,307
with 12 cameras who's here
because he's gonna get the truth,
1141
01:13:57,390 --> 01:14:00,435
and it's all, "Man!" You know?
1142
01:14:00,519 --> 01:14:02,896
And he's a wonderful apparition.
1143
01:14:03,813 --> 01:14:07,734
I'm an American! Yeah!
An American civilian. Hi, Yanks.
1144
01:14:08,401 --> 01:14:09,986
Hi, American.
1145
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:12,656
I didn't know till two weeks
before I came in
1146
01:14:12,739 --> 01:14:14,157
I was even going to be in the picture,
1147
01:14:14,241 --> 01:14:20,288
much less play the photojournalist guy
in tatters and rags, taking photographs,
1148
01:14:20,372 --> 01:14:24,584
trying to explain what this was all about
and how it's blowing his mind away.
1149
01:14:24,751 --> 01:14:28,088
I was not in the greatest of shape,
you know,
1150
01:14:28,171 --> 01:14:31,049
as far as, like,
my career was concerned,
1151
01:14:31,132 --> 01:14:35,762
and it was delightful to hear that
I was gonna go do anything anywhere.
1152
01:14:37,347 --> 01:14:40,308
And I really appreciate Francis' writing,
1153
01:14:41,184 --> 01:14:43,562
even though he does
drop it on you sometimes,
1154
01:14:43,645 --> 01:14:46,648
and it does take you sometimes,
an idiot like me, a whole day to learn it.
1155
01:14:47,065 --> 01:14:48,900
Why didn't you say that
to him in the scene?
1156
01:14:48,984 --> 01:14:50,860
- Who?
- Something clever like that.
1157
01:14:50,944 --> 01:14:53,196
When he says, "Who are you?"
Why didn't you say, "Who are you?"
1158
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,701
- Because I haven't learned my lines yet.
- I know. You've had them for five days!
1159
01:14:57,784 --> 01:15:00,954
- The other thing I'd like to say is that...
- Those glasses...
1160
01:15:01,037 --> 01:15:03,665
These glasses,
I can't see anything through them.
1161
01:15:03,748 --> 01:15:07,752
But, like, every crack
represents a life I've saved.
1162
01:15:09,004 --> 01:15:12,424
You know what I mean?
They represent a life I've saved.
1163
01:15:12,507 --> 01:15:14,134
Say all that in the scene.
1164
01:15:14,217 --> 01:15:19,723
I do, but you see, the director says,
"You don't know your lines."
1165
01:15:19,806 --> 01:15:21,474
Well, if you know your lines,
1166
01:15:21,558 --> 01:15:23,476
then you can forget them.
You can know, more or less...
1167
01:15:23,560 --> 01:15:27,355
Oh, I see,
but that's what I'm trying to do.
1168
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:28,982
Forget those lines.
1169
01:15:29,065 --> 01:15:31,443
No, but it's not fair to forget them
if you never knew them.
1170
01:15:32,527 --> 01:15:35,989
I'm not gonna help you.
You're gonna help him, man.
1171
01:15:36,740 --> 01:15:38,408
You're gonna help him.
1172
01:15:38,491 --> 01:15:40,994
I mean, what are they gonna say,
man, when he's gone, huh?
1173
01:15:41,077 --> 01:15:45,624
'Cause he dies when it dies, man.
When it dies, he dies.
1174
01:15:45,707 --> 01:15:47,751
What are they gonna say about him?
What are they gonna say?
1175
01:15:47,834 --> 01:15:51,546
"He was a kind man. He was a wise man.
1176
01:15:51,630 --> 01:15:55,258
"He had plans. He had wisdom."
Bullshit, man!
1177
01:15:55,342 --> 01:15:59,721
Am I gonna be the one that's gonna
set them straight? Look at me. Wrong!
1178
01:16:03,433 --> 01:16:04,517
You.
1179
01:16:30,919 --> 01:16:32,212
For years, Francis has dreamed
1180
01:16:32,295 --> 01:16:34,339
of a group of poets,
filmmakers and writers
1181
01:16:34,422 --> 01:16:37,634
who would come together
to form American Zoetrope.
1182
01:16:37,717 --> 01:16:41,554
This morning I realized that this was it,
right here in the heart of the jungle.
1183
01:16:43,181 --> 01:16:47,435
When you stop looking for something,
you see it right in front of you.
1184
01:16:54,317 --> 01:16:55,985
I'm not disclosing any trade secrets,
1185
01:16:56,069 --> 01:16:57,195
but I want you to understand now
1186
01:16:57,278 --> 01:17:01,324
that Mr. Kurtz had taken a high seat
amongst the devils of the land.
1187
01:17:01,408 --> 01:17:03,118
I mean, literally.
1188
01:17:05,787 --> 01:17:09,582
A group of natives appeared
bearing a stretcher.
1189
01:17:10,458 --> 01:17:13,586
I looked down on the long,
gaunt figure of Kurtz,
1190
01:17:15,422 --> 01:17:17,549
the hollow cage of his ribs,
1191
01:17:19,008 --> 01:17:23,138
a bald skeleton head, like an ivory ball.
1192
01:17:27,684 --> 01:17:30,770
What did you do
with Marlon Brando when he arrived?
1193
01:17:30,854 --> 01:17:34,566
Well, he was already heavy
when I'd hired him,
1194
01:17:35,108 --> 01:17:37,527
and he promised me
that he was gonna get in shape.
1195
01:17:37,610 --> 01:17:42,741
And I imagined if he were heavy,
I could use that.
1196
01:17:43,241 --> 01:17:46,411
But he was so fat,
he was very, very shy about it.
1197
01:17:46,494 --> 01:17:49,330
Immediately when I saw him, I said,
"Well, I'll write this as a man
1198
01:17:49,414 --> 01:17:54,127
"who really, you know,
had indulged every aspect of himself".
1199
01:17:54,210 --> 01:17:59,340
So he was fat, and he had
two or three tribal girls with him
1200
01:17:59,424 --> 01:18:01,885
and was eating mangoes
and kind of go the other way.
1201
01:18:01,968 --> 01:18:04,471
And he was very, very adamant
1202
01:18:04,554 --> 01:18:06,431
that he didn't wanna portray himself
that way.
1203
01:18:06,890 --> 01:18:11,144
I mean, clearly, he had just,
kind of, left me in a tough spot.
1204
01:18:11,227 --> 01:18:13,813
The clock was ticking
on this deal he had.
1205
01:18:13,897 --> 01:18:16,983
We had to finish him
within three weeks,
1206
01:18:17,066 --> 01:18:19,986
or we'd go into
a very expensive overage.
1207
01:18:20,069 --> 01:18:23,907
So the whole company was sitting up
on the set, around the camera,
1208
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:26,409
the crew all poised to go and shoot,
1209
01:18:26,493 --> 01:18:30,538
and Francis and Marlon
would be talking about the character.
1210
01:18:30,622 --> 01:18:32,707
And whole days would go by.
1211
01:18:33,333 --> 01:18:36,961
And this is at Marlon's urging,
1212
01:18:37,045 --> 01:18:39,506
and yet, he's getting paid for it.
1213
01:18:40,632 --> 01:18:43,134
One of the things
Francis said to Marlon in the beginning,
1214
01:18:43,218 --> 01:18:46,304
"Read Heart of Darkness.
This is what we're going for."
1215
01:18:46,387 --> 01:18:49,265
And Marlon really worked hours
with Francis,
1216
01:18:49,349 --> 01:18:50,683
trying to develop the dialogue
1217
01:18:50,767 --> 01:18:54,938
and develop what it was that
he said in these circumstances.
1218
01:18:55,021 --> 01:18:58,233
And, of course, after Francis
had some dialogs with him,
1219
01:18:58,316 --> 01:19:03,154
he realized that Marlon
had never read Heart of Darkness,
1220
01:19:03,696 --> 01:19:06,533
and it was a complete shock.
1221
01:19:07,659 --> 01:19:09,994
Marlon's basic notes,
as I understood them,
1222
01:19:10,078 --> 01:19:13,206
as I just glanced at them,
were all motivation things.
1223
01:19:13,289 --> 01:19:18,336
In other words, it's like getting in
to saying, "Why is he going on a boat?"
1224
01:19:18,419 --> 01:19:19,838
And I can't answer them,
1225
01:19:19,921 --> 01:19:24,008
because it's too late for me
to change the structure.
1226
01:19:24,092 --> 01:19:28,221
So what I really need from him
are the facts about who he is.
1227
01:19:28,304 --> 01:19:30,473
And in a way, I don't even care.
1228
01:19:30,557 --> 01:19:35,854
Is he a fat guy who's got his shirt off
and starting to wear necklaces?
1229
01:19:35,937 --> 01:19:40,191
Or is he bulging,
is his uniform bulging at the buttons?
1230
01:19:40,275 --> 01:19:42,527
But I know that this guy's
a fucking traitor...
1231
01:19:42,610 --> 01:19:43,778
You don't let me talk to you.
1232
01:19:43,862 --> 01:19:46,114
See, my problem is not only
I have to come up with a scene,
1233
01:19:46,197 --> 01:19:49,492
but it's gotta have the right shape
to fit in the jigsaw puzzle.
1234
01:19:49,576 --> 01:19:51,119
Maybe I ought to get Dennis Hopper
in this scene,
1235
01:19:51,202 --> 01:19:52,954
so it's just not with two characters.
1236
01:19:53,037 --> 01:19:55,456
- You know.
- No, I don't know, Francis.
1237
01:19:55,540 --> 01:19:57,375
You know, I don't. Nobody's told me.
1238
01:19:57,458 --> 01:19:58,835
I mean, I have been afraid
1239
01:19:58,918 --> 01:20:00,837
to even put Dennis Hopper
and Marlon together
1240
01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:04,215
'cause, Christ, I haven't figured out
what Marty's going to do with Marlon.
1241
01:20:04,299 --> 01:20:06,593
What happens if I got crazy
Dennis Hopper in there?
1242
01:20:06,676 --> 01:20:08,177
- I know nothing.
- I'll tell you.
1243
01:20:08,261 --> 01:20:11,264
- But you don't let me tell you.
- Oh, I see.
1244
01:20:13,308 --> 01:20:15,184
Kurtz found out that he was an assassin
1245
01:20:15,268 --> 01:20:17,312
who was sent to kill him.
1246
01:20:17,395 --> 01:20:19,522
I know that.
I have that information.
1247
01:20:19,606 --> 01:20:21,733
- Yeah.
- Okay, that's what I'm saying.
1248
01:20:21,816 --> 01:20:23,067
Okay, just do what I ask.
1249
01:20:23,151 --> 01:20:26,571
When I say you just explain the poem
and the reason you're explaining is...
1250
01:20:26,654 --> 01:20:27,947
But, you see,
I need to know reasons.
1251
01:20:28,031 --> 01:20:29,032
I'm telling you the reason.
1252
01:20:29,115 --> 01:20:31,868
I can't ever talk more
than a fucking sentence!
1253
01:20:31,951 --> 01:20:34,829
The reason that you're
explaining the poem to him
1254
01:20:34,913 --> 01:20:37,165
is because you want to indicate
to this guy
1255
01:20:37,248 --> 01:20:41,044
that he does not understand Kurtz,
that Kurtz is a strange man.
1256
01:20:41,127 --> 01:20:45,548
What you're trying to express
is that he's, kind of, in the twilight zone,
1257
01:20:45,632 --> 01:20:48,343
that his twilight zone
is our twilight zone.
1258
01:20:48,426 --> 01:20:50,762
It's America's twilight zone.
1259
01:20:50,845 --> 01:20:53,181
So that he will not judge him.
1260
01:20:53,264 --> 01:20:56,809
So that he will accept him
as a great man and help him.
1261
01:21:01,147 --> 01:21:02,649
Okay, man.
1262
01:21:03,149 --> 01:21:04,901
There's no good, right, wrong, bad.
1263
01:21:04,984 --> 01:21:06,444
One through nine and back to one.
1264
01:21:06,527 --> 01:21:08,446
No fractions, no maybes, no supposes.
1265
01:21:08,529 --> 01:21:09,614
You can't travel in space.
1266
01:21:09,697 --> 01:21:13,910
You can't go out into space, you know,
without like... With fractions.
1267
01:21:13,993 --> 01:21:15,870
What are you gonna land on?
One-quarter? Three-eighths?
1268
01:21:15,954 --> 01:21:18,706
What are you gonna do when you go
from here to Venus or something?
1269
01:21:18,790 --> 01:21:20,708
That's dialectic physics, okay?
1270
01:21:20,792 --> 01:21:22,752
Dialectic logic is,
"There's only love and hate."
1271
01:21:22,835 --> 01:21:25,630
You either love somebody
or you hate them.
1272
01:21:25,713 --> 01:21:26,714
Mutt!
1273
01:21:28,341 --> 01:21:29,342
You mutt.
1274
01:21:30,969 --> 01:21:32,220
So what I should do...
1275
01:21:33,012 --> 01:21:37,266
What I should do is just shoot for
the next three weeks irrationally.
1276
01:21:38,184 --> 01:21:41,521
In other words,
if I did an improvisation every day
1277
01:21:41,604 --> 01:21:44,107
between Marlon Brando
and Marty Sheen,
1278
01:21:44,190 --> 01:21:49,696
would I, at that time, have more magical
and, in a way, telling moments
1279
01:21:50,905 --> 01:21:54,701
than if I just closed down
for three weeks
1280
01:21:54,784 --> 01:21:57,078
and write a structure that then they act?
1281
01:21:57,161 --> 01:21:58,204
And the answer would be
1282
01:21:58,287 --> 01:22:01,165
I'm much better off
to do an improvisation everyday.
1283
01:22:01,249 --> 01:22:03,001
Two-sixty, take 3.
1284
01:22:08,548 --> 01:22:10,466
What is the blood lust?
1285
01:22:16,889 --> 01:22:18,599
The blood lust...
1286
01:22:20,101 --> 01:22:21,728
The blood lust,
1287
01:22:22,895 --> 01:22:24,105
they say,
1288
01:22:26,816 --> 01:22:29,318
all the men that I've read about,
1289
01:22:30,778 --> 01:22:36,492
they say that the human animal
is the only one that has blood lust.
1290
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:43,082
Killing without purpose.
1291
01:22:44,584 --> 01:22:46,419
Killing for pleasure.
1292
01:22:47,295 --> 01:22:49,630
You can see light through this.
1293
01:22:52,383 --> 01:22:57,096
You take the ones
that are made for garbage detail.
1294
01:22:58,222 --> 01:23:02,393
You take the others who are
made to think, but who can't act.
1295
01:23:02,477 --> 01:23:04,020
You take...
1296
01:23:08,107 --> 01:23:09,776
I swallowed a bug.
1297
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:15,740
It's irresistible
when a bee discovers honey.
1298
01:23:18,117 --> 01:23:20,369
He's irresistibly driven...
1299
01:23:21,370 --> 01:23:23,372
My... My friend laughs.
1300
01:23:24,749 --> 01:23:26,292
He's my critic.
1301
01:23:28,795 --> 01:23:32,882
My only critic perhaps,
outside of myself.
1302
01:23:34,300 --> 01:23:36,385
I mean, in a way,
I'm like on a room
1303
01:23:36,469 --> 01:23:38,387
with all the floors covered with Vaseline
1304
01:23:38,471 --> 01:23:41,057
and all these new elements
are coming at me.
1305
01:23:41,140 --> 01:23:42,725
And I'm trying to go ahead,
1306
01:23:42,809 --> 01:23:46,813
but now I've got Marlon Brando
as an incredible joker to play.
1307
01:23:46,896 --> 01:23:50,817
And he's like a force of his own
'cause he don't give a shit.
1308
01:23:51,984 --> 01:23:57,490
I want a character
of a monumental nature
1309
01:23:57,573 --> 01:24:01,244
who is struggling
with the extremities of his soul
1310
01:24:02,745 --> 01:24:05,957
and is struggling with them
on such a level
1311
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:09,252
that you're in awe of it
and is destroyed by them.
1312
01:24:12,672 --> 01:24:16,259
It takes bravery.
1313
01:24:17,093 --> 01:24:21,222
The deepest bullets
are not to be feared.
1314
01:24:21,305 --> 01:24:25,101
Phosphorous, napalm
are nothing to be feared,
1315
01:24:25,184 --> 01:24:29,564
but to look inward, to see that twisted
1316
01:24:29,647 --> 01:24:34,610
mind that lies beneath
the surface of all humans
1317
01:24:35,611 --> 01:24:40,449
and to say, "Yes, I accept you.
1318
01:24:41,742 --> 01:24:43,870
"I even love you
because you're a part of me.
1319
01:24:43,953 --> 01:24:46,164
"You're an extension of me."
1320
01:24:48,958 --> 01:24:51,043
- What?
- Can you walk now?
1321
01:24:56,632 --> 01:24:58,509
Why are we in Vietnam?
1322
01:24:59,510 --> 01:25:04,307
It's our time to grab
this moment in history.
1323
01:25:08,436 --> 01:25:10,229
It's our time to...
1324
01:25:11,480 --> 01:25:13,274
- To teach.
- Microphone.
1325
01:25:13,649 --> 01:25:14,650
Huh?
1326
01:25:22,783 --> 01:25:25,953
I can't think of anymore dialogue to say.
1327
01:25:27,747 --> 01:25:30,333
And I am feeling like an idiot
1328
01:25:31,709 --> 01:25:35,213
having set in motion stuff
that doesn't make any sense,
1329
01:25:35,296 --> 01:25:38,007
that doesn't match,
and yet I am doing it.
1330
01:25:38,090 --> 01:25:40,509
And the reason I'm doing it
is out of desperation,
1331
01:25:40,593 --> 01:25:43,179
'cause I have no rational way to do it.
1332
01:25:43,262 --> 01:25:46,515
What I have to admit is
that I don't know what I'm doing.
1333
01:25:46,599 --> 01:25:48,309
Well, how do you account
for the discrepancy
1334
01:25:48,392 --> 01:25:49,602
between what you feel about it
1335
01:25:49,685 --> 01:25:51,270
and what everybody else
who see it feels?
1336
01:25:51,354 --> 01:25:55,942
Because they see the magic
of what has happened before.
1337
01:25:56,025 --> 01:26:00,029
I'm saying, "Hey, it's not gonna happen!
I don't have any performances.
1338
01:26:00,112 --> 01:26:02,657
"The script doesn't make sense.
I have no ending."
1339
01:26:02,740 --> 01:26:06,077
I'm like a voice crying out, saying,
1340
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:08,871
"Please, it's not working!
Somebody get me off this."
1341
01:26:08,955 --> 01:26:09,997
And nobody listens to me!
1342
01:26:10,081 --> 01:26:12,792
Everyone says, "Yes, well,
Francis works best in a crisis."
1343
01:26:12,875 --> 01:26:16,087
I'm saying, "This is one crisis
I'm not gonna pull myself out of!"
1344
01:26:16,170 --> 01:26:19,465
I'm making a bad movie.
So why should I go ahead? I'd rather...
1345
01:26:20,132 --> 01:26:22,385
I'm gonna be bankrupt anyway.
1346
01:26:23,052 --> 01:26:26,389
Why can't I just have the courage
to say, "It's no good"?
1347
01:26:28,933 --> 01:26:31,310
There's almost anything I'd do
to get out of it.
1348
01:26:31,394 --> 01:26:34,897
I'm already thinking about
what kind of sickness I can get.
1349
01:26:34,981 --> 01:26:37,233
I'm in the rain on the platform
thinking if I just moved a little,
1350
01:26:37,316 --> 01:26:38,901
of sickness fall 30 feet.
1351
01:26:38,985 --> 01:26:41,946
It might kill me,
but it might paralyze me or something.
1352
01:26:42,947 --> 01:26:45,241
It'd be a graceful way out.
1353
01:26:47,827 --> 01:26:50,288
Did you ever fear for his sanity?
1354
01:26:50,496 --> 01:26:54,583
Well, he did, at one point,
he fainted, kind of...
1355
01:26:54,667 --> 01:26:56,544
He had a collapse.
1356
01:26:57,003 --> 01:26:58,087
And he told me
1357
01:26:58,170 --> 01:27:01,173
that he could see himself
going down a dark tunnel,
1358
01:27:01,257 --> 01:27:04,135
and he didn't know
if he was dying or leaving this reality
1359
01:27:04,218 --> 01:27:05,344
or what was happening to him.
1360
01:27:07,346 --> 01:27:08,889
But he'd gone to the threshold,
1361
01:27:08,973 --> 01:27:13,352
maybe, of his sanity or something.
1362
01:27:16,689 --> 01:27:20,943
It was scary, but also
kind of exhilarating or thrilling
1363
01:27:21,027 --> 01:27:25,364
that he would take such risks
with himself
1364
01:27:26,741 --> 01:27:28,868
in his experience to go that far.
1365
01:27:28,951 --> 01:27:31,996
And I think this film
was all about risking,
1366
01:27:32,079 --> 01:27:33,372
risking your money,
1367
01:27:33,456 --> 01:27:37,126
risking your sanity,
1368
01:27:37,209 --> 01:27:40,796
risking how far you could
press your family members...
1369
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:42,089
I mean, everything that he did,
1370
01:27:42,173 --> 01:27:46,761
he went to the extremes
to test those fringe regions
1371
01:27:46,844 --> 01:27:48,554
and then come back.
1372
01:27:49,263 --> 01:27:51,223
Nothing is so terrible
as a pretentious movie.
1373
01:27:51,307 --> 01:27:54,310
I mean, a movie that aspires
for something really terrific
1374
01:27:54,393 --> 01:27:57,355
and doesn't pull it off is shit, it's scum,
1375
01:27:57,897 --> 01:27:59,440
and everyone will walk on it as such.
1376
01:27:59,523 --> 01:28:03,027
And that's what poor filmmakers,
in a way, that's their greatest horror,
1377
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:04,695
is to be pretentious.
1378
01:28:04,779 --> 01:28:05,863
So here you are, on one hand,
1379
01:28:05,946 --> 01:28:07,823
trying to aspire to really do something,
1380
01:28:07,907 --> 01:28:10,201
on the other hand,
you're not allowed to be pretentious.
1381
01:28:10,284 --> 01:28:14,163
And finally you say, "Fuck it! I don't care
if I'm pretentious or not pretentious,
1382
01:28:14,246 --> 01:28:15,623
"or if I've done it or I haven't done it."
1383
01:28:15,706 --> 01:28:18,709
All I know is that
I am going to see this movie,
1384
01:28:18,793 --> 01:28:21,003
and that, for me,
it has to have some answers.
1385
01:28:21,087 --> 01:28:23,005
And by "answers,"
I don't mean just a punch line.
1386
01:28:23,089 --> 01:28:25,758
Answers on about 47 different levels.
1387
01:28:26,092 --> 01:28:29,970
It's very hard to talk about
these things without being very corny.
1388
01:28:30,054 --> 01:28:32,807
You use a word like
self-purgation or epiphany,
1389
01:28:32,890 --> 01:28:35,101
they think
you're either a religious weirdo
1390
01:28:35,184 --> 01:28:37,061
or, you know,
an asshole college professor.
1391
01:28:37,144 --> 01:28:40,898
But those are the words for the process,
this transmutation,
1392
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:44,443
this renaissance, this rebirth,
1393
01:28:45,736 --> 01:28:48,030
which is the basis of all life.
1394
01:28:48,739 --> 01:28:50,991
The one rule that all man,
1395
01:28:51,075 --> 01:28:53,244
from the time
they first were walking around,
1396
01:28:53,327 --> 01:28:54,787
looking up at the sun,
1397
01:28:54,870 --> 01:28:57,123
scratching around for food
and an animal to kill,
1398
01:28:57,415 --> 01:29:01,710
the first concept that,
I feel, got into their head
1399
01:29:01,794 --> 01:29:04,213
was the idea of life and death.
1400
01:29:04,296 --> 01:29:06,632
That the sun went down
and the sun went up.
1401
01:29:06,715 --> 01:29:09,635
That the crop, when they learned
how to make a crop, it died.
1402
01:29:09,718 --> 01:29:11,220
In the winter, everything died.
1403
01:29:11,303 --> 01:29:12,471
The first man, he must have thought,
1404
01:29:12,555 --> 01:29:14,014
"Oh, my God, it's the end of the world!"
1405
01:29:14,098 --> 01:29:16,725
And then all of a sudden,
there was spring,
1406
01:29:16,809 --> 01:29:18,310
and everything came alive,
and it was better!
1407
01:29:18,561 --> 01:29:21,063
I mean, after all, look at Vietnam.
1408
01:29:21,147 --> 01:29:23,315
Look at my movie.
You'll see what I'm talking.
1409
01:31:44,123 --> 01:31:45,457
The horror.
1410
01:31:49,336 --> 01:31:50,838
The horror.
1411
01:32:04,476 --> 01:32:07,980
The river, sleepless,
1412
01:32:08,063 --> 01:32:10,983
crowded with memories
of men and ships,
1413
01:32:11,775 --> 01:32:15,029
hunters for gold and pursuers of fame.
1414
01:32:15,112 --> 01:32:18,574
What greatness has not flowed
on the ebb of that river
1415
01:32:18,657 --> 01:32:21,327
into the mystery of an unknown earth?
1416
01:32:21,994 --> 01:32:26,248
The dreams of men,
the seed of commonwealths,
1417
01:32:27,166 --> 01:32:29,251
the germs of empires.
1418
01:32:31,587 --> 01:32:34,298
The river is black tonight, my friends.
1419
01:32:34,632 --> 01:32:39,428
Look, it seems to lead into the heart
1420
01:32:39,511 --> 01:32:41,513
of an immense darkness.
1421
01:33:07,414 --> 01:33:08,457
To me, the great hope
1422
01:33:08,540 --> 01:33:11,627
is that now these little eight-millimeter
video recorders
1423
01:33:11,710 --> 01:33:13,337
and stuff are coming out,
1424
01:33:13,420 --> 01:33:15,297
some people who normally
wouldn't make movies
1425
01:33:15,381 --> 01:33:16,965
are gonna be making them.
1426
01:33:17,049 --> 01:33:18,300
And, you know, suddenly, one day,
1427
01:33:18,384 --> 01:33:21,637
some little fat girl in Ohio
is gonna be the new Mozart
1428
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:26,725
and make a beautiful film
with her little father's camcorder.
1429
01:33:26,809 --> 01:33:29,561
And, for once, the so-called
professionalism about movies
1430
01:33:29,645 --> 01:33:34,316
will be destroyed forever, you know,
and it will really become an art form.
1431
01:33:36,985 --> 01:33:38,654
That's my opinion.
1431
01:33:39,305 --> 01:34:39,386
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