1 00:00:01,794 --> 00:00:04,245 [dramatic music] 2 00:00:04,349 --> 00:00:08,594 ♪ 3 00:00:08,698 --> 00:00:11,804 - This was a flirtatious woman who was 4 00:00:11,908 --> 00:00:13,772 used to getting her way with men. 5 00:00:17,914 --> 00:00:21,883 - She says that her and her husband entered into this pact 6 00:00:21,987 --> 00:00:23,471 on their marriage night. 7 00:00:23,575 --> 00:00:25,301 - They agreed that if either of them ever cheated, 8 00:00:25,404 --> 00:00:27,165 they got to kill that person. 9 00:00:27,268 --> 00:00:28,235 [door slams] 10 00:00:28,338 --> 00:00:29,512 - I asked him about it, 11 00:00:29,615 --> 00:00:31,100 and he said, "It's just sex." 12 00:00:31,203 --> 00:00:34,068 Just a stranger to have sex with. 13 00:00:35,552 --> 00:00:36,553 [gunshot bangs] 14 00:00:37,589 --> 00:00:38,935 [gunshot bangs] 15 00:00:40,350 --> 00:00:41,662 [gunshot bangs] 16 00:00:42,904 --> 00:00:44,527 - I think anybody that had anything 17 00:00:44,630 --> 00:00:46,943 to do with them that got out alive 18 00:00:47,047 --> 00:00:49,049 is lucky, including myself. 19 00:00:49,152 --> 00:00:53,536 [dramatic music] 20 00:00:53,639 --> 00:00:56,504 - And she kept repeating, "He's going to kill me." 21 00:00:56,608 --> 00:00:58,299 - And he shoots my daughter. 22 00:01:00,474 --> 00:01:02,269 - That's about the only time in my career 23 00:01:02,372 --> 00:01:03,822 that I just wanted to shoot him. 24 00:01:03,925 --> 00:01:06,031 [siren blaring] 25 00:01:10,277 --> 00:01:12,658 ♪ 26 00:01:12,762 --> 00:01:14,695 - You can run, but you can't hide. 27 00:01:14,798 --> 00:01:21,771 ♪ 28 00:01:27,156 --> 00:01:30,055 [somber music] 29 00:01:30,159 --> 00:01:32,885 ♪ 30 00:01:32,989 --> 00:01:35,957 - I feel very emotional when I come here. 31 00:01:36,061 --> 00:01:38,339 That hasn't changed. 32 00:01:38,443 --> 00:01:41,894 I can feel-- feel it in my heart. 33 00:01:41,998 --> 00:01:44,414 And I can feel Christopher. 34 00:01:44,518 --> 00:01:47,831 I feel like he's with me when I'm here. 35 00:01:47,935 --> 00:01:50,006 Iron River is a very small community 36 00:01:50,110 --> 00:01:52,974 in the Upper Peninsula, close to Wisconsin. 37 00:01:53,078 --> 00:01:54,424 It's very beautiful. 38 00:01:54,528 --> 00:01:56,219 And that's one thing Christopher liked 39 00:01:56,323 --> 00:01:57,841 about this area. 40 00:01:57,945 --> 00:01:59,395 He loved the outdoors. 41 00:02:00,603 --> 00:02:03,778 Once the mines left, they left these big mine pits, 42 00:02:03,882 --> 00:02:05,539 and they filled with water. 43 00:02:05,642 --> 00:02:08,749 And no one really knows how deep the mine pits are, 44 00:02:08,852 --> 00:02:13,754 but they're very murky and dark on the bottom. 45 00:02:14,893 --> 00:02:16,481 It's a good place to lose somebody. 46 00:02:16,584 --> 00:02:19,415 [eerie music] 47 00:02:19,518 --> 00:02:21,141 ♪ 48 00:02:21,244 --> 00:02:24,247 [train rumbling] 49 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:32,074 Watch Online Movies and Series for FREE www.osdb.link/lm 50 00:02:34,015 --> 00:02:36,915 [ominous music] 51 00:02:37,018 --> 00:02:39,366 ♪ 52 00:02:39,469 --> 00:02:42,231 - Jason Cochran was 37 years old. 53 00:02:42,334 --> 00:02:44,750 And in all those cases 54 00:02:44,854 --> 00:02:47,201 where somebody dies when they're that young, 55 00:02:47,305 --> 00:02:49,307 even if they die at the hospital, 56 00:02:49,410 --> 00:02:52,068 generally it gets looked at. 57 00:02:52,172 --> 00:02:55,658 In this case, there was an indication, you know, 58 00:02:55,761 --> 00:02:57,453 that maybe drugs were involved. 59 00:02:59,903 --> 00:03:01,353 When we pulled up in the driveway, 60 00:03:01,457 --> 00:03:03,493 it was snowing like you wouldn't believe. 61 00:03:03,597 --> 00:03:06,427 Jason Cochran's wife, Kelly, comes walking out. 62 00:03:06,531 --> 00:03:08,912 And I said, "I'm here to investigate 63 00:03:09,016 --> 00:03:10,707 the death of your husband." 64 00:03:10,811 --> 00:03:16,437 And she says, "Are you here for any other reason?" 65 00:03:16,541 --> 00:03:20,096 And I said, "I don't understand the question." 66 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,892 She said, "Did you come here for another reason? 67 00:03:22,995 --> 00:03:26,309 "Did you come here to question me about something else? 68 00:03:26,413 --> 00:03:29,795 I said, "Should I be questioning you 69 00:03:29,899 --> 00:03:31,038 about something else?" 70 00:03:31,141 --> 00:03:33,178 I go, this is becoming very odd for me. 71 00:03:33,282 --> 00:03:36,354 And she said, "No, I was just asking." 72 00:03:39,149 --> 00:03:42,049 [phone ringing] 73 00:03:42,152 --> 00:03:45,155 [tense music] 74 00:03:45,259 --> 00:03:48,124 I came in on a Monday morning, and I answered a phone call 75 00:03:48,228 --> 00:03:50,091 from the FBI tip line, 76 00:03:50,195 --> 00:03:52,508 and they said that they had received 77 00:03:52,611 --> 00:03:57,513 an anonymous call and that, you know, 78 00:03:57,616 --> 00:04:01,827 we needed to take a closer look at Jason Cochran's death. 79 00:04:01,931 --> 00:04:04,382 They said that, you know, it was a possibility 80 00:04:04,485 --> 00:04:06,384 that Jason Cochran and Kelly Cochran had 81 00:04:06,487 --> 00:04:09,007 been involved in a missing persons case 82 00:04:09,110 --> 00:04:10,388 up in the Iron River. 83 00:04:10,491 --> 00:04:12,735 [dramatic tone] 84 00:04:14,081 --> 00:04:16,980 [pensive music] 85 00:04:17,084 --> 00:04:19,949 [birds chirping] 86 00:04:20,052 --> 00:04:23,297 ♪ 87 00:04:23,401 --> 00:04:25,955 - Christopher and I met first back in the 1980s 88 00:04:26,058 --> 00:04:27,784 in Marquette, Michigan, 89 00:04:27,888 --> 00:04:29,821 and Chris was in the Air Force 90 00:04:29,924 --> 00:04:31,857 at K. I. Sawyer Air Force Base. 91 00:04:31,961 --> 00:04:34,377 And we were just friends. 92 00:04:34,481 --> 00:04:36,310 But we got along wonderful. 93 00:04:36,414 --> 00:04:40,280 And then he--he got married, 94 00:04:40,383 --> 00:04:44,870 and he traveled all over with the air base, 95 00:04:44,974 --> 00:04:46,320 and we lost touch. 96 00:04:46,424 --> 00:04:52,292 ♪ 97 00:04:52,395 --> 00:04:55,950 We got back together through the internet 98 00:04:56,054 --> 00:04:57,642 and we started chatting. 99 00:04:57,745 --> 00:05:00,161 And he was divorced, and I was divorced. 100 00:05:00,265 --> 00:05:02,302 And so we met up and wined and dined 101 00:05:02,405 --> 00:05:04,925 and just had a wonderful time 102 00:05:05,028 --> 00:05:08,687 and just started dating again. 103 00:05:08,791 --> 00:05:11,172 ♪ 104 00:05:11,276 --> 00:05:12,691 It was awesome. 105 00:05:12,795 --> 00:05:14,244 It was wonderful. 106 00:05:14,348 --> 00:05:18,248 When Chris would look at me, I'd just--just melt. 107 00:05:18,352 --> 00:05:23,012 He just made you feel like you were everything, 108 00:05:23,115 --> 00:05:25,014 you know, that you were the only person in the room 109 00:05:25,117 --> 00:05:27,292 when he looked at you. 110 00:05:27,396 --> 00:05:29,190 We'd go out somewhere together. 111 00:05:29,294 --> 00:05:32,677 He'd tell me, "You just make me so proud 112 00:05:32,780 --> 00:05:34,403 having you on my arm," you know? 113 00:05:34,506 --> 00:05:36,094 And he was just always-- 114 00:05:36,197 --> 00:05:38,303 little things he would say and do 115 00:05:38,407 --> 00:05:41,824 that would just lift you up and make you feel magical. 116 00:05:41,927 --> 00:05:44,413 He was very easy to fall in love with. 117 00:05:46,863 --> 00:05:49,935 But Christopher kept a secret. 118 00:05:50,039 --> 00:05:52,904 [tense music] 119 00:05:53,007 --> 00:05:55,493 ♪ 120 00:05:55,596 --> 00:05:57,598 I was planning a trip to England, 121 00:05:57,702 --> 00:06:01,464 and I went over to see Christopher 122 00:06:01,568 --> 00:06:05,503 and found him making plans to meet up 123 00:06:05,606 --> 00:06:08,368 with someone else when I was gone. 124 00:06:08,471 --> 00:06:10,577 And I asked him about it, and he said, 125 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:13,338 well, I was going to be gone, you know, for a month, 126 00:06:13,442 --> 00:06:18,447 and it's just sex, just a stranger to have sex with. 127 00:06:21,967 --> 00:06:24,107 And I said, "You don't do that." 128 00:06:24,211 --> 00:06:26,489 You don't-- and he kept telling me, 129 00:06:26,593 --> 00:06:28,008 it doesn't make a difference. 130 00:06:28,111 --> 00:06:29,216 I love you. 131 00:06:29,319 --> 00:06:31,114 What--that doesn't matter. 132 00:06:31,218 --> 00:06:33,772 And I had a real hard time with that. 133 00:06:33,876 --> 00:06:35,774 And that's why we ended up breaking up. 134 00:06:35,878 --> 00:06:38,501 I was just astonished, to be honest, 135 00:06:38,605 --> 00:06:42,125 that Christopher had, like, this second life. 136 00:06:42,229 --> 00:06:45,819 I still loved him, and he would still call or text. 137 00:06:45,922 --> 00:06:47,510 But we couldn't date. 138 00:06:47,614 --> 00:06:52,342 We couldn't be a couple because it just wasn't right, 139 00:06:52,446 --> 00:06:53,551 at least for me. 140 00:06:53,654 --> 00:07:00,074 ♪ 141 00:07:00,178 --> 00:07:03,595 On October 10th, Christopher told me he took a job 142 00:07:03,699 --> 00:07:05,666 in Charlotte, North Carolina. 143 00:07:05,770 --> 00:07:09,256 He asked me if we would try to, you know, 144 00:07:09,359 --> 00:07:11,258 do a long-distance relationship. 145 00:07:13,294 --> 00:07:15,469 That morning--it was about 6:00 a.m. in the morning-- 146 00:07:15,573 --> 00:07:19,542 he called me and told me that he was going 147 00:07:19,646 --> 00:07:22,269 to be going the next day. 148 00:07:22,372 --> 00:07:24,513 And we were going to make plans to go for-- 149 00:07:24,616 --> 00:07:27,412 and eat, and then I was going to help him pack. 150 00:07:27,516 --> 00:07:29,241 That was the last time I heard from him. 151 00:07:29,345 --> 00:07:32,244 [dramatic music] 152 00:07:32,348 --> 00:07:36,904 ♪ 153 00:07:37,008 --> 00:07:39,424 I kept texting, messaging him, 154 00:07:39,528 --> 00:07:41,495 and I got no response. 155 00:07:41,599 --> 00:07:43,117 I drove by the apartment. 156 00:07:44,843 --> 00:07:47,328 His truck was there, but his car was gone. 157 00:07:47,432 --> 00:07:49,917 And one of my friends that he works with 158 00:07:50,021 --> 00:07:53,542 told me he hadn't been at work for over a week. 159 00:07:53,645 --> 00:07:56,303 And then I got panicky. 160 00:07:57,615 --> 00:08:00,963 He had everything going for him at that time in his life. 161 00:08:01,066 --> 00:08:05,070 He would have never taken his own life or just taken off. 162 00:08:05,174 --> 00:08:09,385 Just fear, complete fear came over me 163 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:11,076 that something-- 164 00:08:11,180 --> 00:08:13,354 I knew something happened to him. 165 00:08:13,458 --> 00:08:16,875 And I walked over to the police station, 166 00:08:16,979 --> 00:08:20,603 and Detective Frizzo saw me standing. 167 00:08:20,707 --> 00:08:23,088 I frantically said, my-- 168 00:08:23,192 --> 00:08:25,815 my ex-boyfriend's missing, and something happened to him, 169 00:08:25,919 --> 00:08:28,093 and I haven't heard from him, and I need help. 170 00:08:28,197 --> 00:08:30,061 We need to find him. 171 00:08:31,338 --> 00:08:33,236 - When we first started this investigation, 172 00:08:33,340 --> 00:08:36,032 Terri had told me where Chris had been working. 173 00:08:36,136 --> 00:08:40,002 And the human resources director told me 174 00:08:40,105 --> 00:08:43,419 that, you know, Chris was-- 175 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:45,248 he didn't really have a lot of friends there, 176 00:08:45,352 --> 00:08:47,975 just a couple people that he really, you know, 177 00:08:48,079 --> 00:08:50,564 would associate with, and that there was a woman 178 00:08:50,668 --> 00:08:52,704 that he was allegedly having an affair with 179 00:08:52,808 --> 00:08:54,326 that also worked there. 180 00:08:54,430 --> 00:08:56,328 This woman was, you know, Kelly Cochran. 181 00:08:56,432 --> 00:08:58,917 ♪ 182 00:08:59,021 --> 00:09:02,852 - She would go to his apartment for them to meet. 183 00:09:02,956 --> 00:09:09,169 And I think she gave him that part of his life, 184 00:09:09,272 --> 00:09:14,588 whatever he wanted to satisfy that need, 185 00:09:14,692 --> 00:09:17,798 because it wasn't love, but it was sex. 186 00:09:17,902 --> 00:09:21,043 ♪ 187 00:09:21,146 --> 00:09:23,701 - Right around the time of Chris's disappearance, 188 00:09:23,804 --> 00:09:26,117 one of his coworkers spotted his vehicle parked 189 00:09:26,220 --> 00:09:29,948 in a park and ride just east of Iron River. 190 00:09:30,052 --> 00:09:31,881 My sergeant notices, you know, 191 00:09:31,985 --> 00:09:34,021 on the front seat, flipped upside down, 192 00:09:34,125 --> 00:09:36,127 here's a piece of paper with directions. 193 00:09:36,230 --> 00:09:37,853 And as she reads me the directions, 194 00:09:37,956 --> 00:09:40,234 it matches the directions that I had just gotten 195 00:09:40,338 --> 00:09:42,098 from the deputy to Kelly Cochran's house. 196 00:09:42,202 --> 00:09:45,792 So immediately I've got some red flags. 197 00:09:46,827 --> 00:09:50,106 At that point I had told the sergeant, 198 00:09:50,210 --> 00:09:51,798 you know, go up to that residence 199 00:09:51,901 --> 00:09:54,455 and see if she might know where Chris Regan is. 200 00:09:55,836 --> 00:09:58,908 So the sergeant called me after they made contact 201 00:09:59,012 --> 00:10:00,979 at the Cochran residence that night, 202 00:10:01,083 --> 00:10:04,120 and she had a bad feeling as well. 203 00:10:04,224 --> 00:10:05,570 ♪ 204 00:10:09,436 --> 00:10:12,335 [tense music] 205 00:10:12,439 --> 00:10:19,411 ♪ 206 00:10:26,867 --> 00:10:28,524 So the sergeant, she said, 207 00:10:28,628 --> 00:10:31,147 when they went to the door, they asked for Kelly. 208 00:10:31,251 --> 00:10:34,564 They were met by Jason Cochran, who seemed irritated 209 00:10:34,668 --> 00:10:37,775 and told them that Kelly was not there. 210 00:10:37,878 --> 00:10:40,432 The trooper had noticed a silhouette 211 00:10:40,536 --> 00:10:42,952 in the upper window upstairs of the residence. 212 00:10:43,056 --> 00:10:45,368 And as they're talking to Jason, 213 00:10:45,472 --> 00:10:47,060 Kelly presents herself. 214 00:10:47,163 --> 00:10:48,889 She admits that she'd been having an affair-- 215 00:10:48,993 --> 00:10:50,891 was having an affair with Chris. 216 00:10:50,995 --> 00:10:54,723 ♪ 217 00:10:54,826 --> 00:10:57,553 She admits that she knew he was supposed to have shown up 218 00:10:57,657 --> 00:11:01,764 for a medical appointment for his new job that-- 219 00:11:01,868 --> 00:11:06,286 but she claims that she hadn't seen him since. 220 00:11:06,389 --> 00:11:09,427 One thing that the sergeant noted was, you know, 221 00:11:09,530 --> 00:11:12,154 I asked Kelly if she thought it was odd 222 00:11:12,257 --> 00:11:15,364 that Chris's car would be parked in the park and ride. 223 00:11:15,467 --> 00:11:18,367 And Kelly's response to the sergeant was, 224 00:11:18,470 --> 00:11:19,989 "Yeah, I'd find that very odd. 225 00:11:20,093 --> 00:11:21,577 He loved that car." 226 00:11:21,681 --> 00:11:22,889 Past tense. 227 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:27,928 At that point, I thought maybe Jason Cochran 228 00:11:28,032 --> 00:11:29,378 did something to Chris Regan. 229 00:11:29,481 --> 00:11:32,070 [tense music] 230 00:11:32,174 --> 00:11:34,038 I knew the first thing that I wanted to do was 231 00:11:34,141 --> 00:11:37,386 obtain a search warrant for Chris Regan's apartment, 232 00:11:37,489 --> 00:11:40,423 for his vehicle, for his phone records. 233 00:11:41,735 --> 00:11:45,463 Phone records indicated that his last conversation 234 00:11:45,566 --> 00:11:47,430 was with Jason Cochran, 235 00:11:47,534 --> 00:11:50,330 or with Jason Cochran's phone. 236 00:11:50,433 --> 00:11:53,091 You know, he had fueled his car up around 4:00 p.m., 237 00:11:53,195 --> 00:11:57,958 had the phone conversations with Jason Cochran's phone, 238 00:11:58,062 --> 00:11:59,580 and then he just disappeared. 239 00:12:05,794 --> 00:12:08,106 So a plan was made 240 00:12:08,210 --> 00:12:10,902 to interview the Cochrans at our department 241 00:12:11,006 --> 00:12:13,008 the following morning. 242 00:12:13,111 --> 00:12:17,357 Kelly was so-- just so calm and cool 243 00:12:17,460 --> 00:12:21,948 and relaxed that anyone that would have met her 244 00:12:22,051 --> 00:12:23,570 for the first time would have thought, 245 00:12:23,673 --> 00:12:25,745 there's no way she can hold it together this well. 246 00:12:25,848 --> 00:12:27,954 Jason was completely the opposite, 247 00:12:28,057 --> 00:12:31,095 how he immediately entered the interview room 248 00:12:31,198 --> 00:12:32,890 and immediately, you know, broke down 249 00:12:32,993 --> 00:12:37,791 began to cry about his health issues and his life. 250 00:12:46,524 --> 00:12:49,907 - And it was just my opinion at that time 251 00:12:50,010 --> 00:12:52,806 that people don't generally act that way, 252 00:12:52,910 --> 00:12:54,808 that that to me was a sign of guilt 253 00:12:54,912 --> 00:12:58,156 or nervousness or anxiety, 254 00:12:58,260 --> 00:12:59,468 or whatever it was. 255 00:12:59,571 --> 00:13:01,573 But to me, it wasn't normal. 256 00:13:01,677 --> 00:13:03,783 And to me, it was a huge red flag. 257 00:13:03,886 --> 00:13:06,095 ♪ 258 00:13:08,201 --> 00:13:10,203 [tense music] 259 00:13:10,306 --> 00:13:12,032 Kelly and Jason Cochran both grew up 260 00:13:12,136 --> 00:13:15,242 in, you know, the Hobart, Indiana area. 261 00:13:15,346 --> 00:13:16,968 Both of them apparently lived 262 00:13:17,072 --> 00:13:18,383 down the street from each other. 263 00:13:18,487 --> 00:13:20,006 Kelly indicated that they were neighbors. 264 00:13:20,109 --> 00:13:21,801 You know, she referred to him as the boy next door. 265 00:13:21,904 --> 00:13:24,389 ♪ 266 00:13:24,493 --> 00:13:27,945 - I met them in early 2013. 267 00:13:28,048 --> 00:13:29,981 They're married for 12 or 13 years, 268 00:13:30,085 --> 00:13:32,018 and high school sweethearts. 269 00:13:33,467 --> 00:13:37,195 It sounded like any happy couple. 270 00:13:37,299 --> 00:13:39,094 Jason was really quiet. 271 00:13:39,197 --> 00:13:41,199 He was a nice guy. 272 00:13:41,303 --> 00:13:44,444 We just really hit it off as--as friends. 273 00:13:44,547 --> 00:13:46,342 We had good food, good times, 274 00:13:46,446 --> 00:13:48,551 laughed, hung out. 275 00:13:48,655 --> 00:13:49,967 On the surface, it really looks 276 00:13:50,070 --> 00:13:52,038 like a good relationship. 277 00:13:52,141 --> 00:13:54,281 But I think it was all part 278 00:13:54,385 --> 00:13:57,698 of what they were trying to depict. 279 00:13:58,872 --> 00:14:01,737 I was having dinner with Jason and Kelly 280 00:14:01,841 --> 00:14:03,843 at a restaurant there in their town, 281 00:14:03,946 --> 00:14:07,087 and oddly, she asked him, 282 00:14:07,191 --> 00:14:10,919 "Did you show Walt our friend?" 283 00:14:12,506 --> 00:14:15,302 I had no idea what she was talking about. 284 00:14:15,406 --> 00:14:18,547 And he showed me a picture of a half-naked woman on his phone. 285 00:14:18,650 --> 00:14:22,585 And--and Kelly said, yeah, I found a friend for Jason and I, 286 00:14:22,689 --> 00:14:27,038 because I love him so much that I wanted to keep him happy. 287 00:14:30,455 --> 00:14:32,595 [ominous music] 288 00:14:32,699 --> 00:14:37,704 - Kelly had clearly portrayed at her workplace 289 00:14:37,807 --> 00:14:40,224 that her husband was very abusive, 290 00:14:40,327 --> 00:14:44,780 and that she felt very afraid of him. 291 00:14:44,884 --> 00:14:46,920 She really had her coworkers 292 00:14:47,024 --> 00:14:50,717 and her administrators thinking she was a battered woman. 293 00:14:50,820 --> 00:14:53,478 ♪ 294 00:14:53,582 --> 00:14:56,757 And really, it wasn't until I got into their phone records 295 00:14:56,861 --> 00:14:58,069 and started reading some 296 00:14:58,173 --> 00:15:00,106 of their text messages to each other, 297 00:15:00,209 --> 00:15:03,109 where I learned the story of who Kelly and Jason 298 00:15:03,212 --> 00:15:07,044 really were, and what the story of their marriage was. 299 00:15:07,147 --> 00:15:08,528 And it was quite the opposite 300 00:15:08,631 --> 00:15:11,427 of what Kelly had described at work. 301 00:15:11,531 --> 00:15:13,671 Jason, if anything, was a battered man. 302 00:15:13,774 --> 00:15:16,398 [tense music] 303 00:15:16,501 --> 00:15:17,882 ♪ 304 00:15:17,986 --> 00:15:20,747 She was very emotionally abusive to him. 305 00:15:20,850 --> 00:15:25,579 He begged her nonstop to stay home and be his wife, 306 00:15:25,683 --> 00:15:27,305 stop having affairs. 307 00:15:27,409 --> 00:15:29,204 And she just continued to belittle him. 308 00:15:29,307 --> 00:15:31,758 ♪ 309 00:15:31,861 --> 00:15:33,933 - I would say that their marriage was-- 310 00:15:34,036 --> 00:15:36,418 was controlled by Kelly. 311 00:15:36,521 --> 00:15:39,904 Their lives together were controlled by her. 312 00:15:40,008 --> 00:15:43,839 She did all the cooking, the financing, the-- 313 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:46,221 everything, the grocery shopping. 314 00:15:46,324 --> 00:15:47,877 He didn't really do much of anything. 315 00:15:47,981 --> 00:15:49,741 He just did what he could to keep her happy. 316 00:15:49,845 --> 00:15:51,605 She ran the show. 317 00:15:51,709 --> 00:15:54,539 I don't feel he ever really wanted to cross her. 318 00:15:56,093 --> 00:15:57,508 I didn't see the-- 319 00:15:57,611 --> 00:16:00,442 the red flags that maybe I should have. 320 00:16:02,271 --> 00:16:04,308 - I was able to go back and look at text messages 321 00:16:04,411 --> 00:16:06,379 between Kelly and Jason 322 00:16:06,482 --> 00:16:08,898 around the time of Chris's disappearance. 323 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:13,351 Their communication was, you know, this-- 324 00:16:13,455 --> 00:16:17,183 him begging her, her, you know, belittling him. 325 00:16:17,286 --> 00:16:21,428 And then, you know, come October 15th, October 16th, 326 00:16:21,532 --> 00:16:25,260 two days after Chris was missing and gone, you know, 327 00:16:25,363 --> 00:16:27,296 she's a completely different woman. 328 00:16:29,747 --> 00:16:32,957 She's, you know, in love with her husband. 329 00:16:33,061 --> 00:16:37,030 He's handsome, and he's, you know, turning her on, 330 00:16:37,134 --> 00:16:38,480 and she wants to have sex. 331 00:16:38,583 --> 00:16:42,346 And it's a completely different, you know, 332 00:16:42,449 --> 00:16:46,074 atmosphere that I suspected the most likely scenario 333 00:16:46,177 --> 00:16:50,216 is that, you know, Chris Regan made contact with the Cochrans 334 00:16:50,319 --> 00:16:52,218 and something, you know, happened. 335 00:16:52,321 --> 00:16:55,221 [dramatic tone] 336 00:16:55,324 --> 00:16:57,533 ♪ 337 00:17:07,233 --> 00:17:09,062 It was the first week of March, 338 00:17:09,166 --> 00:17:11,789 and there was still snow on the ground. 339 00:17:11,892 --> 00:17:13,791 And we decided we were going to go ahead and do 340 00:17:13,894 --> 00:17:16,966 this first search warrant at the Cochran residence. 341 00:17:21,764 --> 00:17:23,904 - The Michigan State Police lab personnel comes 342 00:17:24,008 --> 00:17:26,493 down from Marquette, collects evidence. 343 00:17:34,156 --> 00:17:36,227 [ominous music] 344 00:17:36,331 --> 00:17:38,126 - I got that text. 345 00:17:38,229 --> 00:17:40,956 "Did Chris have a rabbit's foot?" 346 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:42,682 I just started crying. 347 00:17:42,785 --> 00:17:46,375 It's like, yeah, he always carried a rabbit's foot 348 00:17:46,479 --> 00:17:48,412 in his pocket for good luck. 349 00:17:48,515 --> 00:17:51,829 Detective Frizzo had found a rabbit's foot 350 00:17:51,932 --> 00:17:57,076 underneath the back porch at the Cochran home. 351 00:17:58,456 --> 00:18:01,563 That was the first sign that-- you know, 352 00:18:01,666 --> 00:18:04,083 of something of his at the Cochran home. 353 00:18:06,775 --> 00:18:09,433 - When we did a search warrant at the Cochran residence, 354 00:18:09,536 --> 00:18:12,884 I thought we might be able to find Chris Regan's DNA. 355 00:18:12,988 --> 00:18:15,301 We really, you know, felt positive that we were 356 00:18:15,404 --> 00:18:17,130 going to have something. 357 00:18:17,234 --> 00:18:19,477 We were going to have enough to hopefully 358 00:18:19,581 --> 00:18:21,376 get these people arrested. 359 00:18:22,860 --> 00:18:25,207 I'm waiting for the results, you know, from the lab 360 00:18:25,311 --> 00:18:27,589 as far as the evidence we collected. 361 00:18:27,692 --> 00:18:30,626 And I get the bad news that we got nothing. 362 00:18:30,730 --> 00:18:36,805 ♪ 363 00:18:36,908 --> 00:18:40,188 I remember that moment because I was so sure. 364 00:18:40,291 --> 00:18:42,397 You know, I had these big binders, 365 00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:46,263 these big books of my case sitting on the back table. 366 00:18:46,366 --> 00:18:48,472 And I got off the phone and I-- 367 00:18:48,575 --> 00:18:50,474 I just wanted to take them and toss them out the window 368 00:18:50,577 --> 00:18:53,201 because I was so frustrated. 369 00:18:53,304 --> 00:18:56,273 [somber music] 370 00:18:56,376 --> 00:18:57,688 The following morning, 371 00:18:57,791 --> 00:19:00,449 Kelly and Jason Cochran take off, 372 00:19:00,553 --> 00:19:02,693 taking just what they could fit in their truck, 373 00:19:02,796 --> 00:19:04,212 went to Indiana, 374 00:19:04,315 --> 00:19:06,352 and would never return to Michigan. 375 00:19:06,455 --> 00:19:08,354 And I remember saying, 376 00:19:08,457 --> 00:19:10,356 something's going to happen down there. 377 00:19:10,459 --> 00:19:13,013 You know, either he's going to kill her and kill himself, 378 00:19:13,117 --> 00:19:15,464 or she's going to kill him, 379 00:19:15,568 --> 00:19:16,914 but something's going to happen. 380 00:19:19,365 --> 00:19:21,850 I eventually interviewed the neighbors, 381 00:19:21,953 --> 00:19:26,130 who start talking about this particular night where 382 00:19:26,234 --> 00:19:29,340 it's like 2:30 in the morning and they can hear power-- 383 00:19:29,444 --> 00:19:32,516 you know, power tools running over at the Cochran residence, 384 00:19:32,619 --> 00:19:37,486 you know, describing saws and everything else. 385 00:19:39,108 --> 00:19:40,972 And the one brother said, you know, that the next day 386 00:19:41,076 --> 00:19:43,216 he went and talked to Jason outside, 387 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,254 and Jason said that he was doing some remodeling. 388 00:19:46,357 --> 00:19:50,050 And he's like, you know, why would you be remodeling 389 00:19:50,154 --> 00:19:51,811 at 2:30 in the morning? 390 00:19:51,914 --> 00:19:54,227 And Jason's answer to him, so he says, 391 00:19:54,331 --> 00:19:57,092 was "I can't sleep." 392 00:19:57,196 --> 00:19:58,749 And that was really the first time where I kind of 393 00:19:58,852 --> 00:20:01,200 sat back and thought, you know, 394 00:20:01,303 --> 00:20:04,410 could they possibly have, you know, dismembered this guy? 395 00:20:04,513 --> 00:20:07,413 [dramatic tone] 396 00:20:07,516 --> 00:20:11,071 - I was afraid if Kelly ever found out 397 00:20:11,175 --> 00:20:13,177 that I was the one who missed Christopher, 398 00:20:13,281 --> 00:20:15,662 that I was the one that reported him missing, 399 00:20:15,766 --> 00:20:18,286 I was afraid her husband might come looking for me. 400 00:20:18,389 --> 00:20:22,807 ♪ 401 00:20:22,911 --> 00:20:26,328 - I spent 26 years with the Michigan State Police 402 00:20:26,432 --> 00:20:28,123 as a Detective Sergeant. 403 00:20:28,227 --> 00:20:31,195 Ten of those years were spent in Detroit 404 00:20:31,299 --> 00:20:35,682 and investigating major crimes in the state of Michigan-- 405 00:20:35,786 --> 00:20:37,960 bank robberies, bombings, murders, 406 00:20:38,064 --> 00:20:40,653 multi-victim murders, homicides. 407 00:20:40,756 --> 00:20:42,310 I live a couple of hours away, 408 00:20:42,413 --> 00:20:44,346 and I'd heard that a person was missing. 409 00:20:44,450 --> 00:20:48,005 And after, you know, it wasn't resolved right away, 410 00:20:48,108 --> 00:20:49,869 I reached out to Chief Frizzo to see 411 00:20:49,972 --> 00:20:52,009 if she needed any assistance. 412 00:20:52,112 --> 00:20:54,218 - He gives me his whole background, 413 00:20:54,322 --> 00:20:57,290 tells me what he does, tells me how he wants to help me 414 00:20:57,394 --> 00:21:00,638 at no cost to me, which was huge because, you know, 415 00:21:00,742 --> 00:21:03,538 we're--we don't have a lot of finances in our department. 416 00:21:03,641 --> 00:21:05,609 And I'll take all the help I can get. 417 00:21:07,473 --> 00:21:09,544 - And I became like a foot soldier for her, 418 00:21:09,647 --> 00:21:11,753 doing what she needed to get done 419 00:21:11,856 --> 00:21:15,032 that maybe she couldn't put someone else on 420 00:21:15,135 --> 00:21:17,345 because they were busy. 421 00:21:17,448 --> 00:21:19,899 Just to make sure, you know, we didn't miss anything 422 00:21:20,002 --> 00:21:21,797 that down the way would be pivotal 423 00:21:21,901 --> 00:21:23,661 on breaking this case open. 424 00:21:23,765 --> 00:21:26,215 We searched all over Iron River 425 00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:28,045 and surrounding the county, 426 00:21:28,148 --> 00:21:30,012 just all kinds of areas. 427 00:21:30,116 --> 00:21:33,464 We brought in K-9s and stuff searching in body dump sites, 428 00:21:33,568 --> 00:21:35,155 seeing if we could find something. 429 00:21:35,259 --> 00:21:38,158 [tense music] 430 00:21:38,262 --> 00:21:45,269 ♪ 431 00:21:51,482 --> 00:21:54,865 - At that point, you know, 432 00:21:54,968 --> 00:21:56,487 we're just kind of at a standstill. 433 00:21:58,109 --> 00:22:00,664 And I get a call from a detective in Indiana 434 00:22:00,767 --> 00:22:03,667 who tells me that Jason Cochran is dead. 435 00:22:03,770 --> 00:22:05,945 ♪ 436 00:22:06,048 --> 00:22:08,119 I'm thinking, I know exactly what happened. 437 00:22:08,223 --> 00:22:09,535 I'm sure of it. 438 00:22:16,576 --> 00:22:19,821 [tense tone] 439 00:22:19,924 --> 00:22:23,514 ♪ 440 00:22:23,618 --> 00:22:26,483 [eerie music] 441 00:22:26,586 --> 00:22:29,831 ♪ 442 00:22:29,934 --> 00:22:33,800 - So there was a phone call on February 20th. 443 00:22:35,802 --> 00:22:39,599 Kelly contacted me to say that Jason had died that night. 444 00:22:39,703 --> 00:22:43,465 And immediately my wife told me, 445 00:22:43,569 --> 00:22:45,053 well, she did it. 446 00:22:45,156 --> 00:22:47,227 ♪ 447 00:22:47,331 --> 00:22:51,749 So I contacted the FBI, and I said I knew 448 00:22:51,853 --> 00:22:53,441 Jason and Kelly very good. 449 00:22:53,544 --> 00:22:56,927 And they had told me that they were being looked at 450 00:22:57,030 --> 00:22:59,274 for this person missing. 451 00:22:59,378 --> 00:23:01,276 They have not told me anything about the fact 452 00:23:01,380 --> 00:23:03,658 that they did it or anything like that. 453 00:23:03,761 --> 00:23:07,696 But I feel-- my wife really feels 454 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,285 that I needed to let you know 455 00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:11,907 that one of them died on Saturday. 456 00:23:12,011 --> 00:23:14,565 [suspenseful music] 457 00:23:14,669 --> 00:23:15,980 ♪ 458 00:23:16,084 --> 00:23:19,052 - I start the normal line of questioning with her, 459 00:23:19,156 --> 00:23:21,365 and I go through everything with her, 460 00:23:21,469 --> 00:23:24,023 and we're probably 20 minutes into the interview. 461 00:23:24,126 --> 00:23:26,508 And so I told her, I said, look, 462 00:23:26,612 --> 00:23:29,338 I said, you know, when I was in the driveway, 463 00:23:29,442 --> 00:23:32,756 you asked me if I was there to interview you 464 00:23:32,859 --> 00:23:34,309 about anything else. 465 00:23:34,413 --> 00:23:36,242 And I said, I really wouldn't be a good detective 466 00:23:36,345 --> 00:23:38,658 unless I found out what that other thing was. 467 00:23:38,762 --> 00:23:43,870 And she kind of smiled and she said... 468 00:23:43,974 --> 00:23:46,563 "If you want me to respect you at all, 469 00:23:46,666 --> 00:23:48,668 you'll just say it like it is." 470 00:23:48,772 --> 00:23:50,049 And I said, "Okay." 471 00:23:50,152 --> 00:23:52,569 And I said, 472 00:23:52,672 --> 00:23:55,710 "You know exactly what happened to Chris Regan." 473 00:23:55,813 --> 00:23:57,470 And I said, by the time this is all done, 474 00:23:57,574 --> 00:23:58,747 you're going to tell me. 475 00:23:58,851 --> 00:24:02,199 ♪ 476 00:24:19,630 --> 00:24:22,357 - This was a flirtatious woman who was 477 00:24:22,461 --> 00:24:26,257 used to getting her way with men however she wanted, 478 00:24:26,361 --> 00:24:29,847 and that she used them in whichever way she wanted. 479 00:24:35,197 --> 00:24:36,854 - It was like a game to her. 480 00:24:36,958 --> 00:24:41,376 And I think that she really viewed it that way very much. 481 00:24:55,632 --> 00:24:57,426 - I just kept telling her, 482 00:24:57,530 --> 00:24:59,463 I want to bring Chris Regan home. 483 00:24:59,567 --> 00:25:01,154 I'm not going away. 484 00:25:01,258 --> 00:25:04,917 He served his country for 20 years in the Navy. 485 00:25:05,020 --> 00:25:07,851 It was important that somebody go the extra steps 486 00:25:07,954 --> 00:25:12,407 for somebody who had always gone and done the right thing 487 00:25:12,511 --> 00:25:14,754 for our country. 488 00:25:14,858 --> 00:25:17,757 She knew that I was closing in on her. 489 00:25:19,863 --> 00:25:23,660 Now we have to figure out, with one remaining person, 490 00:25:23,763 --> 00:25:25,662 how do you get that one remaining person 491 00:25:25,765 --> 00:25:27,111 in the conspiracy, 492 00:25:27,215 --> 00:25:28,699 where the other one's already dead, 493 00:25:28,803 --> 00:25:31,253 to tell you what happened to the man that's been missing 494 00:25:31,357 --> 00:25:32,738 for the last 18 months. 495 00:25:32,841 --> 00:25:35,534 [tense music] 496 00:25:35,637 --> 00:25:37,018 ♪ 497 00:25:37,121 --> 00:25:42,610 I had jotted down in my notes this idea 498 00:25:42,713 --> 00:25:45,820 of creating a fictitious letter 499 00:25:45,923 --> 00:25:49,271 that Jason Cochran had made up prior to his death 500 00:25:49,375 --> 00:25:51,446 in the event of his death. 501 00:25:51,550 --> 00:25:53,655 ♪ 502 00:25:53,759 --> 00:25:57,866 I was also throwing around the idea of Walt Ammerman 503 00:25:57,970 --> 00:26:00,628 presenting this idea on my behalf. 504 00:26:00,731 --> 00:26:02,871 - He said, I have an idea, 505 00:26:02,975 --> 00:26:05,702 and I want you to call her on a recorded call 506 00:26:05,805 --> 00:26:10,569 and--and I'd like you to tell her 507 00:26:10,672 --> 00:26:15,574 that Jason mailed you a letter a while back and-- 508 00:26:15,677 --> 00:26:18,093 and wanted you to hold on to it in case something 509 00:26:18,197 --> 00:26:19,405 ever happened to him. 510 00:26:19,508 --> 00:26:22,684 And I was very apprehensive. 511 00:26:25,066 --> 00:26:27,516 I didn't really think she was going to believe it. 512 00:26:27,620 --> 00:26:29,691 - Honestly, my first thought was, 513 00:26:29,795 --> 00:26:31,382 this is never going to work. 514 00:26:31,486 --> 00:26:33,246 You know, she is too smart. 515 00:26:33,350 --> 00:26:35,076 She knows everyone's looking at her 516 00:26:35,179 --> 00:26:37,734 closely right now, especially with her husband dying. 517 00:26:37,837 --> 00:26:39,908 There is no way she's going to fall for this. 518 00:26:40,012 --> 00:26:44,154 - It was something along the lines of, 519 00:26:44,257 --> 00:26:48,572 you know, if in the event something occurs to me, 520 00:26:48,676 --> 00:26:51,264 if I were to die, please forward this letter 521 00:26:51,368 --> 00:26:54,820 to the Iron River Police Department. 522 00:26:56,269 --> 00:26:58,202 And I signed it "Jason" or whatever. 523 00:26:58,306 --> 00:27:01,827 And he said, okay, well, we have to make some changes. 524 00:27:01,930 --> 00:27:04,001 And I said, okay, well, what do we need to change? 525 00:27:04,105 --> 00:27:06,141 And he said, well, he would never sign Jason to me. 526 00:27:06,245 --> 00:27:08,178 He would sign, Quack Quack. 527 00:27:08,281 --> 00:27:10,905 He goes, that's what he always called himself to me. 528 00:27:11,008 --> 00:27:14,149 I said, okay, so we make it Quack Quack. 529 00:27:14,253 --> 00:27:16,151 And he goes, okay, let's do it. 530 00:27:16,255 --> 00:27:18,533 - I felt like I was really sticking my neck out, 531 00:27:18,637 --> 00:27:21,501 but I think somebody had to. 532 00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:26,575 When there's a person, or possibly people, 533 00:27:26,679 --> 00:27:30,131 that are that evil, somebody has got to stop them. 534 00:27:32,271 --> 00:27:34,273 - Walt's sitting in the truck, and he's shaking. 535 00:27:34,376 --> 00:27:36,862 And he's--he's like, Jeremy, I don't know, you know? 536 00:27:36,965 --> 00:27:39,381 And I said, Walt, be yourself. 537 00:27:39,485 --> 00:27:41,073 Take a breath. 538 00:27:41,176 --> 00:27:44,248 You know, your friend's dead. 539 00:27:44,352 --> 00:27:45,698 He was your friend. 540 00:27:45,802 --> 00:27:47,424 No matter what he did, he was your friend, 541 00:27:47,527 --> 00:27:49,495 and that's the way I want you to think of him. 542 00:27:49,598 --> 00:27:53,016 And he got on that phone, and it was incredible. 543 00:27:53,948 --> 00:27:56,467 [line trilling] 544 00:27:56,571 --> 00:27:59,954 - The note says, if something were to happen to me, 545 00:28:00,057 --> 00:28:02,819 please send this in a few weeks, 546 00:28:02,922 --> 00:28:07,720 and there's an envelope in there with no return address, 547 00:28:07,824 --> 00:28:10,205 to the Iron River Police Department. 548 00:28:10,309 --> 00:28:12,000 - I was listening. 549 00:28:12,104 --> 00:28:16,246 And there's this huge gasp for air by her. 550 00:28:16,349 --> 00:28:18,904 And at that moment, I'm like, okay, okay. 551 00:28:19,007 --> 00:28:21,872 Hang on, hang on. What's coming next? 552 00:28:21,976 --> 00:28:23,771 - It's like I'm supposed to mail this, 553 00:28:23,874 --> 00:28:25,738 but I just wanted to tell you. 554 00:28:25,842 --> 00:28:29,431 - [sighs] Please don't. 555 00:28:29,535 --> 00:28:32,227 - Her sigh and her cry and her "please don't" 556 00:28:32,331 --> 00:28:34,574 are three things I'll never forget. 557 00:28:34,678 --> 00:28:36,680 - Please don't. 558 00:28:36,784 --> 00:28:42,237 - And for those 30 seconds, it was like I-- 559 00:28:42,341 --> 00:28:44,723 I had the biggest fish of a lifetime on, 560 00:28:44,826 --> 00:28:48,347 because I knew that she had taken it all the way. 561 00:28:48,450 --> 00:28:51,833 [tense music] 562 00:28:51,937 --> 00:28:53,628 - When she said "please don't," 563 00:28:53,732 --> 00:28:56,148 I knew that she was responsible for both deaths. 564 00:28:56,251 --> 00:28:59,185 If there was any doubt in my mind 565 00:28:59,289 --> 00:29:01,256 that she didn't have something to do with it, 566 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:02,879 it was all erased at that moment. 567 00:29:05,467 --> 00:29:07,815 She did not see that coming. 568 00:29:07,918 --> 00:29:10,783 She saw no way that we would be working together 569 00:29:10,887 --> 00:29:13,027 to--to trick her. 570 00:29:13,130 --> 00:29:15,063 I think Jeremy won that game. 571 00:29:15,167 --> 00:29:18,032 [suspenseful music] 572 00:29:18,135 --> 00:29:25,039 ♪ 573 00:29:25,142 --> 00:29:26,661 - I'm getting texts from Kelly, 574 00:29:26,765 --> 00:29:28,180 "I have to talk to you right now." 575 00:29:28,283 --> 00:29:31,700 And so I text her back and said, where are you? 576 00:29:31,804 --> 00:29:33,564 I'll meet you. 577 00:29:33,668 --> 00:29:35,049 When we went into the restaurant, 578 00:29:35,152 --> 00:29:37,948 we sat down at a table, and we started talking. 579 00:29:38,052 --> 00:29:41,469 I said, I would think that if there's a letter 580 00:29:41,572 --> 00:29:44,058 that your husband wrote in the event 581 00:29:44,161 --> 00:29:45,887 that something happened to him, 582 00:29:45,991 --> 00:29:47,578 that this is something that you would want 583 00:29:47,682 --> 00:29:49,097 to get out in front of. 584 00:29:49,201 --> 00:29:51,928 You need to tell your side of the story. 585 00:29:52,031 --> 00:29:55,897 She looked at me and she said, Jason shot him in the head. 586 00:29:56,001 --> 00:29:57,623 [gunshot bangs] 587 00:29:57,726 --> 00:29:59,142 Immediately I told her, 588 00:29:59,245 --> 00:30:00,799 you're coming to the police station with me. 589 00:30:38,629 --> 00:30:41,011 - She plays the victim in the whole thing, basically, 590 00:30:41,115 --> 00:30:42,771 as though she's forced to do it. 591 00:30:42,875 --> 00:30:45,740 She says, you know, that Chris Regan came to the house. 592 00:30:47,776 --> 00:30:49,675 She claims that Jason magically appeared 593 00:30:49,778 --> 00:30:51,297 in the basement with a rifle 594 00:30:51,401 --> 00:30:52,643 and shot him in the back of the head. 595 00:30:52,747 --> 00:30:54,093 [gunshot bangs] 596 00:30:54,197 --> 00:30:56,682 She says she had no idea that Jason was waiting 597 00:30:56,785 --> 00:30:58,097 in the basement to kill him. 598 00:30:58,201 --> 00:30:59,892 [gunshot bangs] 599 00:30:59,996 --> 00:31:03,516 The chemistry between her and I changed at that point, 600 00:31:03,620 --> 00:31:06,657 and she reveals something else. 601 00:31:06,761 --> 00:31:11,731 She says that, you know, her and her husband 602 00:31:11,835 --> 00:31:14,424 entered into this pact on their marriage night. 603 00:31:15,597 --> 00:31:18,980 - Kelly's story is they agreed on their wedding night 604 00:31:19,084 --> 00:31:20,948 that if either of them ever cheated, 605 00:31:21,051 --> 00:31:22,535 they got to kill that person. 606 00:31:24,606 --> 00:31:27,092 - I tell her, so that would mean 607 00:31:27,195 --> 00:31:31,061 that you were responsible to kill Chris Regan? 608 00:31:31,165 --> 00:31:33,305 ♪ 609 00:31:33,408 --> 00:31:38,310 Ultimately, she tells me that, you know, 610 00:31:38,413 --> 00:31:41,796 Jason cut up Chris Regan and disposed of his body 611 00:31:41,900 --> 00:31:45,041 and that he was put in trash bags, 612 00:31:45,144 --> 00:31:49,424 and that she drove him out to areas where, you know, 613 00:31:49,528 --> 00:31:51,254 they dumped the body. 614 00:32:01,229 --> 00:32:03,818 [dramatic tone] 615 00:32:05,509 --> 00:32:08,340 - So we go out on this, you know, field trip, 616 00:32:08,443 --> 00:32:10,963 and she's going to show us different locations, you know, 617 00:32:11,067 --> 00:32:13,517 where they put his body. 618 00:32:16,244 --> 00:32:18,695 - I ultimately took Kelly back into the house 619 00:32:18,798 --> 00:32:21,560 so she could tell us, you know, how things happened, 620 00:32:21,663 --> 00:32:23,044 kind of being there in person 621 00:32:23,148 --> 00:32:24,839 and pointing different things out. 622 00:32:34,607 --> 00:32:37,886 - We were out in this, you know, wide-- 623 00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:41,476 widely wooded area, and she shows us an area 624 00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:43,616 and tells us, you know, it's here. 625 00:32:54,765 --> 00:32:59,184 - So that would be when we found Chris Regan's skull. 626 00:32:59,287 --> 00:33:01,462 ♪ 627 00:33:01,565 --> 00:33:03,464 I stood there looking, 628 00:33:03,567 --> 00:33:06,812 and I had worked so long and so hard 629 00:33:06,915 --> 00:33:09,608 that I just stood there and I, like, literally just-- 630 00:33:09,711 --> 00:33:11,817 I started to cry. 631 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,303 And I just kind of knelt down, and I got right down 632 00:33:15,407 --> 00:33:17,167 on the ground, and I just looked right at his-- 633 00:33:17,271 --> 00:33:19,031 you know, at him. 634 00:33:19,135 --> 00:33:23,277 And I just kept thinking in my head that, you know, 635 00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:26,832 I finally found him, and I thought I never would. 636 00:33:26,935 --> 00:33:30,801 And I didn't care about anything else at that point 637 00:33:30,905 --> 00:33:34,840 except being able to let his family, you know, 638 00:33:34,943 --> 00:33:39,465 have closure and know that we have an answer for them. 639 00:33:40,639 --> 00:33:43,538 Indescribable moment of... 640 00:33:46,334 --> 00:33:48,095 A long journey. 641 00:33:48,198 --> 00:33:51,098 [somber music] 642 00:33:51,201 --> 00:33:57,207 ♪ 643 00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:02,350 - You can see there's more markings, 644 00:34:02,454 --> 00:34:05,457 flags over here where they've done searching. 645 00:34:07,286 --> 00:34:12,015 Kelly said that they buried the bags in different areas. 646 00:34:12,119 --> 00:34:16,088 ♪ 647 00:34:16,192 --> 00:34:20,127 So the gate to come in is to the right. 648 00:34:20,230 --> 00:34:24,165 And they found the skull about 100 feet in, 649 00:34:24,269 --> 00:34:26,685 right here in the field. 650 00:34:26,788 --> 00:34:30,585 There's a roadway, there's a small gate, 651 00:34:30,689 --> 00:34:32,173 and that's where they parked. 652 00:34:32,277 --> 00:34:34,624 And then they hauled his remains into the woods 653 00:34:34,727 --> 00:34:36,108 and buried them. 654 00:34:36,212 --> 00:34:38,973 But I get kind of-- 655 00:34:39,077 --> 00:34:41,079 yeah, gets teary. 656 00:34:42,770 --> 00:34:45,013 When they found the skull, I felt as though 657 00:34:45,117 --> 00:34:47,223 someone had ripped out my heart, 658 00:34:47,326 --> 00:34:51,744 and that the nightmare that I was living through, 659 00:34:51,848 --> 00:34:55,645 it just all came crashing down on me. 660 00:34:55,748 --> 00:34:58,717 But that was--it was the key turning point in the case. 661 00:34:58,820 --> 00:35:02,790 ♪ 662 00:35:18,875 --> 00:35:21,602 - The state police had done a lot of work, 663 00:35:21,705 --> 00:35:23,500 and the chief--Chief Frizzo had done a lot of work 664 00:35:23,604 --> 00:35:25,502 on connecting up with search warrants 665 00:35:25,606 --> 00:35:29,368 all of the digital evidence, like smartphones 666 00:35:29,472 --> 00:35:31,957 and desktop computers. 667 00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:35,857 And what I did is took a second look at all of those. 668 00:35:35,961 --> 00:35:37,928 You gotta check everything out. 669 00:35:38,032 --> 00:35:40,483 You know, it's a needle in a haystack kind of thing. 670 00:35:40,586 --> 00:35:42,623 I mean, there's tens of thousands 671 00:35:42,726 --> 00:35:45,212 of images and files on these-- 672 00:35:45,315 --> 00:35:47,662 like just on one computer. 673 00:35:47,766 --> 00:35:52,184 And in the end, we ended up finding a satellite image 674 00:35:52,288 --> 00:35:54,807 that zoomed right in several times, 675 00:35:54,911 --> 00:35:58,846 focused in on the Caspian Pit, 676 00:35:58,949 --> 00:36:03,333 on a specific piece of the bank of the Caspian Pit. 677 00:36:03,437 --> 00:36:06,923 And that was relatively near the Cochrans' house. 678 00:36:07,026 --> 00:36:10,168 And it ended up that's where the rifle was found. 679 00:36:12,066 --> 00:36:14,102 And that was huge. 680 00:36:15,242 --> 00:36:19,556 The key part of that was it showed premeditation, 681 00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:21,593 because the data in the Google image 682 00:36:21,696 --> 00:36:23,250 was prior to the date that-- 683 00:36:23,353 --> 00:36:24,837 I mean, Chris was still alive when they were 684 00:36:24,941 --> 00:36:26,218 looking at this Google image. 685 00:36:26,322 --> 00:36:28,600 So, you know, the prosecutor was able 686 00:36:28,703 --> 00:36:31,982 to use that as, you know, premeditation, some planning. 687 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,265 [tense music] 688 00:36:38,368 --> 00:36:43,753 ♪ 689 00:36:43,856 --> 00:36:46,894 - There really was no smoking gun here. 690 00:36:46,997 --> 00:36:48,447 There really was no evidence. 691 00:36:48,551 --> 00:36:50,208 There was some circumstantial evidence. 692 00:36:50,311 --> 00:36:53,383 The house was clean from any DNA in the basement 693 00:36:53,487 --> 00:36:55,696 or anywhere else in the house. 694 00:36:55,799 --> 00:36:58,906 Cadaver dogs were in there and they found no evidence. 695 00:36:59,009 --> 00:37:01,667 So again, there was no real evidence 696 00:37:01,771 --> 00:37:03,911 that any version of the story that Kelly was telling 697 00:37:04,014 --> 00:37:05,464 was true. 698 00:37:10,538 --> 00:37:13,507 [ominous music] 699 00:37:13,610 --> 00:37:20,168 ♪ 700 00:37:23,379 --> 00:37:27,555 - Finally, she went to trial for Christopher's murder. 701 00:37:27,659 --> 00:37:29,626 - They brought her in. 702 00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:33,492 The thing I'll never forget is her smirk. 703 00:37:33,596 --> 00:37:36,184 She just showed no emotion. 704 00:37:38,014 --> 00:37:39,671 - The version that 705 00:37:39,774 --> 00:37:42,363 Kelly put forth during her testimony was, 706 00:37:42,467 --> 00:37:45,263 on the 14th of October, Mr. Regan came over 707 00:37:45,366 --> 00:37:46,885 to Kelly's home. 708 00:37:46,988 --> 00:37:49,543 They were engaged in intimate conduct. 709 00:37:49,646 --> 00:37:51,993 While doing so, out of nowhere, 710 00:37:52,097 --> 00:37:54,133 a shot came from the basement. 711 00:37:54,237 --> 00:37:56,653 Kelly's husband that was in the basement with a gun 712 00:37:56,757 --> 00:37:57,930 had fired a shot... 713 00:37:58,034 --> 00:37:59,725 [gunshot bangs] 714 00:37:59,829 --> 00:38:02,901 Which wounded Mr. Regan in the back of the head. 715 00:38:03,004 --> 00:38:06,249 Kelly and Mr. Regan then toppled down the stairs. 716 00:38:06,353 --> 00:38:09,183 Kelly was momentarily knocked unconscious, 717 00:38:09,287 --> 00:38:13,291 came to, and saw that her husband was 718 00:38:13,394 --> 00:38:15,879 in the process of dismembering Mr. Regan. 719 00:38:15,983 --> 00:38:18,296 [chainsaw buzzing] 720 00:38:18,399 --> 00:38:20,781 And she had no idea it was going to happen. 721 00:38:20,884 --> 00:38:24,750 That she was basically engaged with her lover, 722 00:38:24,854 --> 00:38:28,858 and then her husband, on his own volition, 723 00:38:28,961 --> 00:38:30,584 assassinated that individual. 724 00:38:30,687 --> 00:38:34,381 ♪ 725 00:38:34,484 --> 00:38:37,867 - The hardest part, I think, was when they brought 726 00:38:37,970 --> 00:38:40,870 his skull out as evidence. 727 00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:46,047 Just listening to how things went down-- 728 00:38:46,151 --> 00:38:49,327 luring him into their house-- 729 00:38:49,430 --> 00:38:52,985 it was, in my mind, 730 00:38:53,089 --> 00:38:56,161 how could somebody be so ruthless? 731 00:38:56,264 --> 00:39:00,096 - You know, the first time I saw Kelly was in the courtroom. 732 00:39:01,891 --> 00:39:04,203 And she was sitting there just grinning. 733 00:39:04,307 --> 00:39:06,861 She had this big grin on her face. 734 00:39:06,965 --> 00:39:11,383 And I honestly felt like I was looking at the devil. 735 00:39:11,487 --> 00:39:15,318 I could feel her eyes piercing through me. 736 00:39:15,422 --> 00:39:17,216 And that was scary. 737 00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,701 She's the devil. 738 00:39:18,804 --> 00:39:20,944 I mean, truly, you could see it in her. 739 00:39:21,048 --> 00:39:23,568 - Was it absolutely a horrifying experience, 740 00:39:23,671 --> 00:39:25,846 watching your husband murder your lover 741 00:39:25,949 --> 00:39:27,710 right in front of your eyes? 742 00:39:27,813 --> 00:39:30,713 - Watching him cut him up was horrifying. 743 00:39:30,816 --> 00:39:33,267 That's something I'll never get out of my head. 744 00:39:33,371 --> 00:39:35,718 - As we went to trial, I was most focused 745 00:39:35,821 --> 00:39:38,203 on the lack of any evidence, any forensic evidence. 746 00:39:38,306 --> 00:39:40,378 Now, there was speculation, 747 00:39:40,481 --> 00:39:42,380 and it very well could have been, 748 00:39:42,483 --> 00:39:44,623 that Kelly did an excellent job of cleaning up 749 00:39:44,727 --> 00:39:47,592 a basement and disposing of any signs 750 00:39:47,695 --> 00:39:49,628 of Mr. Regan being in that home. 751 00:39:49,732 --> 00:39:51,803 Certainly something that we had to address was 752 00:39:51,906 --> 00:39:54,357 the fact that Kelly had some forensic training. 753 00:39:54,461 --> 00:39:58,396 Certainly not something that she was licensed in 754 00:39:58,499 --> 00:40:01,468 or did as a profession, but it raised some eyebrows, 755 00:40:01,571 --> 00:40:02,986 I'm sure, for the jurors, 756 00:40:03,090 --> 00:40:06,093 and did help bolster the prosecution's point 757 00:40:06,196 --> 00:40:07,991 as to why there would be no forensic evidence 758 00:40:08,095 --> 00:40:09,579 found in the home. 759 00:40:09,683 --> 00:40:12,513 - We had to figure out if it was premeditated. 760 00:40:12,617 --> 00:40:14,308 Was it him? 761 00:40:15,516 --> 00:40:17,863 Did he make her do this? 762 00:40:17,967 --> 00:40:19,486 I mean, she did have a big play in it, 763 00:40:19,589 --> 00:40:24,214 but it was hard to fathom which way do you go. 764 00:40:24,318 --> 00:40:25,595 It was tough. 765 00:40:25,699 --> 00:40:27,079 It was tough. 766 00:40:27,183 --> 00:40:29,530 [tense music] 767 00:40:29,634 --> 00:40:30,773 ♪ 768 00:40:30,876 --> 00:40:34,155 - Kelly was found guilty on all counts, 769 00:40:34,259 --> 00:40:37,849 and, you know, was sentenced to life in prison. 770 00:40:39,989 --> 00:40:42,785 - We all made the decision that it was premeditated, 771 00:40:42,888 --> 00:40:45,995 and she did get life in prison with no parole. 772 00:40:46,098 --> 00:40:47,548 It wasn't just Jason. 773 00:40:47,652 --> 00:40:49,619 It was both of them. 774 00:40:49,723 --> 00:40:52,898 And she was probably the mastermind. 775 00:40:55,004 --> 00:40:57,696 - She's going away for life. 776 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,837 But... 777 00:41:00,941 --> 00:41:03,771 I wanted her to hurt more than that. 778 00:41:03,875 --> 00:41:06,222 I also wanted Jason in jail. 779 00:41:06,325 --> 00:41:08,707 I thought he got off easy. 780 00:41:08,811 --> 00:41:12,228 He went to sleep, and he never woke up. 781 00:41:13,678 --> 00:41:18,061 But I'm glad Kelly can't hurt anyone else. 782 00:41:18,165 --> 00:41:23,619 The one thing that helps bring a little peace 783 00:41:23,722 --> 00:41:26,104 is that Kelly can't put 784 00:41:26,207 --> 00:41:27,864 anyone else through what I went through. 785 00:41:27,968 --> 00:41:30,867 [tense music] 786 00:41:30,971 --> 00:41:37,978 ♪ 787 00:41:42,085 --> 00:41:46,883 - At that point, she talks to us about killing her husband. 788 00:41:48,229 --> 00:41:51,888 She looked at me and she said, "You know, I suffocated him." 789 00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:58,136 I put my hands over his mouth and his nose, 790 00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,965 and he was confused. 791 00:42:00,069 --> 00:42:02,796 I could tell he was looking at me and he was confused. 792 00:42:02,899 --> 00:42:06,247 He didn't understand why I was doing what I was doing. 793 00:42:06,351 --> 00:42:10,562 I said, but it was important for you 794 00:42:10,666 --> 00:42:14,083 that he knew that you were the one taking his life 795 00:42:14,186 --> 00:42:17,742 and that you were the one killing him. 796 00:42:17,845 --> 00:42:19,537 And she said yes. 797 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,057 ♪ 798 00:42:23,161 --> 00:42:26,336 - Her story is, she sat on Jason's chest 799 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,615 and held her hands over his nose and mouth 800 00:42:28,718 --> 00:42:31,583 as he was trying to throw up from the heroin overdose 801 00:42:31,687 --> 00:42:33,689 that she gave him. 802 00:42:33,792 --> 00:42:38,935 And she wanted him to see her 803 00:42:39,039 --> 00:42:41,869 and know that she did that, I think. 804 00:42:41,973 --> 00:42:45,977 And I can't wrap my head around that. 805 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,427 I don't think any normal person can. 806 00:42:52,811 --> 00:42:54,537 I think he wanted out. 807 00:42:54,641 --> 00:42:58,990 I think he wanted to end what they were doing in life. 808 00:42:59,093 --> 00:43:02,096 And she wasn't going to let that happen. 809 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:03,960 And she didn't let that happen. 810 00:43:05,375 --> 00:43:08,102 - I mean, she's definitely made it very apparent 811 00:43:08,206 --> 00:43:09,828 that there's other victims. 812 00:43:09,932 --> 00:43:12,451 She has sent Jeremy and I a letter playing a game, 813 00:43:12,555 --> 00:43:13,936 you know, just kind of wants to start 814 00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:15,282 the cat and mouse thing again, 815 00:43:15,385 --> 00:43:17,629 taking responsibility for a homicide 816 00:43:17,733 --> 00:43:19,942 that we can't name. 817 00:43:20,045 --> 00:43:24,222 She wants to talk, and I think eventually she will. 818 00:43:27,294 --> 00:43:30,538 [bright music] 819 00:43:30,642 --> 00:43:34,819 - Coming here makes me feel closer to Christopher. 820 00:43:34,922 --> 00:43:37,097 He's here somewhere. 821 00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,030 The rest of him, he's here. 822 00:43:39,133 --> 00:43:41,066 ♪ 823 00:43:41,170 --> 00:43:43,103 [exhales] 824 00:43:43,206 --> 00:43:44,311 [sniffles] 825 00:43:44,414 --> 00:43:47,141 ♪ 826 00:43:47,245 --> 00:43:49,557 He'll always be in my heart. 827 00:43:49,661 --> 00:43:53,285 He just was such a wonderful person. 828 00:43:53,389 --> 00:43:57,289 And Christopher didn't deserve this. 829 00:43:57,393 --> 00:43:59,084 No one does. 830 00:44:03,330 --> 00:44:05,125 - Police say this surveillance video shows 831 00:44:05,228 --> 00:44:06,851 a cunning killer on the prowl. 832 00:44:06,954 --> 00:44:08,404 - She's calm. 833 00:44:08,507 --> 00:44:10,233 She has the appearance of a grandmother. 834 00:44:10,337 --> 00:44:13,581 - The U.S. Marshals Service today posted a $5,000 reward 835 00:44:13,685 --> 00:44:16,067 for information about a fugitive grandmother. 836 00:44:16,170 --> 00:44:18,207 - Here we have the grandma killer. 837 00:44:18,310 --> 00:44:20,036 - She had a gambling problem, 838 00:44:20,140 --> 00:44:21,624 and things spiraled out of control. 839 00:44:21,728 --> 00:44:23,108 [gunshot bangs] 840 00:44:23,212 --> 00:44:24,523 - U.S. Marshals are actively involved 841 00:44:24,627 --> 00:44:27,078 in a national search for this dangerous fugitive. 842 00:44:27,181 --> 00:44:28,873 - It is surprising to see somebody 843 00:44:28,976 --> 00:44:30,771 immediately go off on a gambling jaunt 844 00:44:30,875 --> 00:44:32,462 after they've killed two people. 845 00:44:32,566 --> 00:44:34,119 - Is she looking for another person 846 00:44:34,223 --> 00:44:36,363 to befriend, the next victim? 847 00:44:36,466 --> 00:44:39,262 My fear, who is this suspect? 848 00:44:39,366 --> 00:44:41,299 Do we have a serial killer on our hands? 849 00:44:48,202 --> 00:44:51,102 [dramatic music] 850 00:44:51,205 --> 00:44:58,212 ♪ 850 00:44:59,305 --> 00:45:59,668 Watch Online Movies and Series for FREE www.osdb.link/lm