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[♪ intense music playing]

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We have almost two dozen young women dead,
the victims of the Green River Killer.

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[William Birnes] The whole premise
was using one killer

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to catch another killer.

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It had never been done before.

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And that became
The Silence of the Lambs.

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Less than six hours from now,

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accused mass murderer Ted Bundy
is scheduled to be executed

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in a Florida prison.

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[♪ intense music playing]

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[Bob Keppel] In 1988,
the Green River case was six years old,

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and the killer was still on the loose.

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Ted Bundy asked
for another interview with me.

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His appeals were running out,

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and his life was being measured in months,
if not weeks.

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He was looking for a way out,
or at least more time.

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[reporter] Convicted killer, Ted Bundy

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is one step closer
to the electric chair now.

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[Bob Keppel] Ted said he wanted to
teach me how to interview serial killers,

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which was a lie, of course.

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But, if I could get him to confess

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to the eight unsolved 1974 murders
in Washington,

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I'd play his game.

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I had a plan to draw him out

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and ask him under what circumstances
a convicted killer like himself

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would talk about his crimes.

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[Dave Keppel]
Ted Bundy was trying to manipulate.

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He wanted to be kept alive

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with the little bits of information
he would get out.

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I think Dad just immediately knew
that it was a manipulation.

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[Bob Keppel] Like my partner
Dave Reichert used to say,

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sometimes you have
to be the best friend in the world

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to a person you absolutely hate.

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[film strip whirring]

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[reporter]
Convicted kidnapper, Theodore Bundy

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is on his way to Aspen, Colorado,

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where he will stand trial
for first-degree murder.

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He'd been extradited to defend himself
in the Caryn Campbell killing

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and about to be indicted in Colorado.

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This is after he was already charged
with the crime in Utah.

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[reporter] Bundy,
who was serving a one to 15-year term

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at the Utah State Prison

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for his kidnapping conviction
of Carol DaRonch.

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[Birnes] When they got the two notices
from Colorado and Utah,

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they were thrilled.

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That was it. They had their guy.

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[♪ tense music playing]

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Good evening, convicted Utah kidnapper,
Theodore Bundy has escaped

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from an Aspen, Colorado courtroom

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and remains, at this hour,
the subject of a manhunt.

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He always struck up
a comradery with his jailers

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and with the people
who were charged with him.

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And so, he was in this courthouse
and gained the trust of these guys

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who eventually sort of let him wander
farther and farther away.

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That law library was on the second floor,

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and at one point, he turned the corner,
he disappeared,

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he was off.

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[Bob Keppel] Out of sight of his guard,

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Bundy jumped
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The authorities launched one
of the largest manhunts ever in the area,

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leaving the small-town community
in total shock and disbelief.

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Jumping from the courthouse window
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You know, it's hard to believe.

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Of course, I didn't think,
"Alright, yay, he escaped!"

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And I also did not think to myself,

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"Well, shoot, then that's
kind of an admission of guilt,"

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which basically it is.

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[Bob Keppel] I was 1,200 miles away,
powerless and bewildered.

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The most dangerous man in America,
and they couldn't keep him behind bars.

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A wave of dread washed over me.

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[reporter] After six days, they got him.

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Bundy's plan to escape
through the wilderness failed.

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He broke into a cabin,

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then tried to make a break for it
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and was caught in Aspen.

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Back in the hands of authorities
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Bundy put on a cocky smile.

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[Bob Keppel] Bundy was taken
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where he would be held
during his trial in Aspen.

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[reporter 1] Judge George Lohr
advised him of additional charges:

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escape, second-degree burglary,
misdemeanor theft, and a felony theft.

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-[reporter 2] Hi, Ted.
-How you doing?

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-[reporter 2] Good, how are you?
-Uh, I'm here.

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[Bob Keppel]
But then, the unthinkable happened.

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[♪ dramatic sting]

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Bundy celebrated New Year's Eve
by escaping... again.

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[♪ tense music playing]

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[phone ringing]

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[Bob Keppel] I'll never forget the call
I got from the Salt Lake City investigator

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who said,
"The son of a bitch escaped again."

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I was beyond angry,

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and before I knew it, I had stood up
and was gripping the edge of my desk.

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How could this happen, again?

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[reporter] Bundy was being held here
in the Garfield County Jail

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because it is modern and said to be
much more secure than facilities in Aspen.

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[Steven Winn] He plotted very carefully
what he was gonna do.

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He lost 35 pounds,

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scoped out the plate in the ceiling
that he could remove.

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He determined
where that was going to lead him.

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He did it on New Year's Eve,

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knowing that
defenses were gonna be down.

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[Bob Keppel]
Bundy then crawled along the attic

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through a maze of wires and pipes,

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dropped into an empty office,

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grabbed two guns
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The fact that he escaped a second time
remains a sort of moral failing

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on the part of the authorities.

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[Kathleen McChesney] It was very
unfortunate for law enforcement

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there in Colorado.

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It wasn't a good moment for them.

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[Bob Keppel] Every minute he was loose

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was another moment of danger
for everyone around him.

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Who knew what this psychopath would do
to avoid capture?

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He knew that the police departments

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wouldn't necessarily coordinate
about these things.

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They're famously adversarial
with each other and competitive.

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[Bob Keppel] This lack of cooperation
between police agencies

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had already allowed Bundy
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in Washington, Utah, and Colorado.

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The FBI took over the search
and issued a fugitive warrant for Bundy.

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Agents feel the former Utahn
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and possibly even out of the country.

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[reporter] At this point,
with almost nothing to go on,

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the bureau needs all the help it can get.

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[♪ intense music playing]

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[♪ dark, ominous music playing]

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[McChesney]
If he came back to Washington State,

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it was a state he was very familiar with,
probably knew places to hide.

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And on the other hand,
he was not a stupid fellow.

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[camera clicks]

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To go somewhere else

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where his picture hadn't been on
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where he would just be unknown

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was probably the wiser move.

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We always believed that he would go

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to a place that was more urban
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because he was very comfortable
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[Bob Keppel]
Ted saw a news report of his escape

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while he was staying
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The walls were closing in.

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He was desperate, running out of money.

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He stole a car and headed south.

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He's driving across the whole country
to Florida.

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He's hungry.
His hormones are driving him crazy.

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What's in Florida?

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Just like University of Washington:
sorority houses.

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[Kathy Kleiner Rubin]
My parents lived in Miami.

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And I found that Florida State University
was as far away from Miami as I could get

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and still pay in-state tuition.

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[♪ dramatic, tense music playing]

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As a freshman, I had lived in a dorm.

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My parents were very adamant
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They felt it wasn't safe enough for me.

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So, that's when they chose Chi Omega.

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I got to move in
in the fall of my sophomore year.

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In the sorority house,
there were 40 women who actually had rooms

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and slept in the house.

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I had a roommate,
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and it faced the back of the parking lot.

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[Bob Keppel]
No one knew that Bundy was in Tallahassee

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renting a room just a few blocks away.

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[insects chirring]

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[Kleiner Rubin] January 14th,
I'll never forget that night.

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[♪ tense music playing]

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[♪ dramatic sting]

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Around 11:30,
my roommate and I decided to go to bed.

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So, we turned off the lights,
and we both went to sleep.

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And then, I heard a noise in the room.

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And that noise was the door
swishing over the carpet when it opened.

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And I didn't have my glasses on.

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So, all I saw was a blur.

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And I saw him raise his hand...

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[thuds]

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...and he slammed it down
on my face so hard

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that he broke my jaw in three places.

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[♪ dramatic music playing]

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He cut open my cheek,
exposed the inside of my mouth.

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I almost bit my tongue off.

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And the lacerations
went down into my neck.

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It hurt so bad,

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and it shot daggers and knives
into my whole face.

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And then this person went to my roommate.

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[♪ dramatic music continues]

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He attacked her.

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[thudding]

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And in the meantime,
I'm awake, and I'm trying to make noise.

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And I knew he was gonna kill me.

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And just as he was in my room,
raising his arm up,

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a car was returning
a sorority sister home that night.

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It just illuminated the room.

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And he then ran out my door.

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[♪ dark tones playing]

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Frightened co-eds at Florida State
University in Tallahassee

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walked to class in groups today

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while detectives tried to track a man

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who slipped
into a sorority house early yesterday

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and murdered two women.

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[camera clicking]

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[Bob Keppel] Armed with an oak log,

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Bundy clubbed and strangled to death
20-year-old Lisa Levy

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and 21-year-old Margaret Bowman.

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[camera clicking]

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He then brutally beat three more
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including Karen Chandler
and Kathy Kleiner.

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It was kind of a replay
of Lake Sammamish,

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'cause there were A, multiple victims,

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and B, there was 30-some women
sleeping at a sorority house.

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He was unraveling.

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He couldn't keep it together anymore.

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[♪ dramatic, tense music playing]

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I believe that was his, "Here I am.
Why can't this be stopped?" You know?

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[muffled fighting]

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[reporter]
The killer came in from the night

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and then returned to it with an ease
that has so far baffled the police

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and left most co-eds here terrified.

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[Ken Katsaris] Yeah, I started thinking
about my own daughter.

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So, I determined, as the sheriff,
and with the authority to do so,

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that the sheriff's office
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to solve this case

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and bring that person
to the ultimate justice,

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which would be the death penalty
which was authorized in Florida.

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[film strip whirring]

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[Bob Keppel] Just like Bundy,

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the longer
the Green River Killer was free,

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the more comfortable he was
with his urge to kill.

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[reporter] Over the last several months,

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police have set up
a 37-member Green River Task Force,

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but officials say
the case is difficult to solve

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because in general, mass murderers
don't leave much evidence behind

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and because not much is known
about their motivations.

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[inmates chattering]

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[Bob Keppel] Ted opened the door to a
place we desperately wanted to explore:

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the source of that urge to kill.

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[Bob Keppel] Ted cleared his throat
and placed his finger alongside his head

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as if he were winding up
for a long lecture.

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This was something
he wanted to talk about,

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at least in the third person.

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[film strip whirring]

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[Roger Dunn] We heard
about the Chi Omega case on the news,

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and Kathy, and Bob, and I
looked at each other

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and thought, "Bundy's in Florida."

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[Bob Keppel] Ted went on the run
after the sorority house attacks.

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For the next two weeks,
he drove around Florida

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in a desperate attempt
to elude the police.

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If you've ever watched, uh,
The Andy Griffith Show,

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Lake City was not quite Mayberry,

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but it was close.

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Kids go anywhere they wanted to.

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They'd, uh,
ride their bicycles all over town.

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Doors were not locked,
and houses, you know, no big deal.

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That's-- That's not that way anymore.

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And what started changing it was, uh,
this-- this mess with Ted Bundy.

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[Bob Keppel] Bundy arrived in Lake City.

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And on the morning of February 9th, 1978,

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he spotted a girl
walking behind a building

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at her junior high school.

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[Bob Dekle] Kim was a, uh,
12-year-old girl at Lake City Junior High.

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And in the first period,
somebody found a, uh, pocketbook.

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And one of the girls says,
"That-- that's, uh, Kim Leach's purse."

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Kim went back,
picks it up, walks out the door,

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and, for all practical purposes,
just fell off the face of the earth.

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[♪ unsettling music playing]

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[♪ eerie musical vocalizing]

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[Bob Keppel] Paramedics reported

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a man leading a girl
away from the school by the arm.

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[♪ unsettling music and
eerie vocalizing continue]

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It was the last time
anyone would see Kimberly alive.

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[♪ music fades out]

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[♪ dark, tense music playing]

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[Dekle] You know,
when Kim went missing,

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from day one, law enforcement knew
that, uh, she was not a runaway,

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that more than likely
somebody had snatched her.

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So, there was a huge effort
among the three local agencies

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to find Kim Leach.

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[reporter] Theodore George Bundy
was arrested on Wednesday

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while driving a stolen car.

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But yesterday, it was discovered
he was on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted list,

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who's suspected of 36 rape-murders
in several Western states.

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[Dekle] I'd never heard of Ted Bundy.

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Uh, I don't think anybody
in law enforcement in Florida

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had ever heard of Ted Bundy.

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[reporter] Among the first to arrive
to question Bundy

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were these detectives
from Tallahassee, Florida.

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At a point,
Ted Bundy says to the investigators,

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"You don't know who you have in custody."

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Our ears perked up
and said, "Wait a minute."

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I knew that this was unfolding rapidly,

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so we went and, uh,
started the investigation.

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[McChesney] We believed that
there was a real possibility

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that Ted Bundy was responsible
for those cases.

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[Dunn] Bob stayed in contact
with those people in Florida

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offering any assistance
or anything that he could remember.

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I think Bob kept a lot of his notes.

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Fortunately, the state of Florida

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got the pound of flesh
that everybody wanted.

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[film strip whirring]

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[Bob Keppel] When police
in Pensacola, Florida arrested Bundy,

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they'd captured a criminal type
they'd never seen before:

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an alleged serial killer
on the FBI's Most Wanted list,

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a suspect in more than 25 murders.

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And Bundy was soon their prime suspect

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in the Kimberly Leach
missing persons case.

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[reporter] The badly decomposed body
of 12-year-old Kimberly Leach

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of Lake City, Florida was found
under a piece of tin in an old hog shed,

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40 miles from where she was abducted
on February 9th.

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[Dekle] The body been placed under a shed.

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And I got down
and I saw Kim, and I saw her clothing,

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and I said,
"You know, here we are, we found her."

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Then the crime scene crew worked the scene
and found a treasure trove of evidence.

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And, uh, there was-- you know,
we had no question who'd--

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uh, that, uh, Bundy was guilty

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and no question that we could prove it.

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[camera clicks]

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[Winn] He had stolen a van
from Florida State and driven over there,

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and there were all sorts
of hair samples and blood

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and the leaves that matched
where she was found.

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It was just a traveling van
of probative evidence

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that was-- that was gonna convict him,
which he surely knew by then.

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He arrived at the Leon County Jail
and I was there waiting for him.

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I put my hand on his bicep and I told him,
"You aren't going anywhere."

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Step out, Mr. Bundy.

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[reporter] In an unusual setting,
Bundy was informed of the charges

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as he stepped from the jailhouse elevator.

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[Ted Bundy] Yeah, let's see.
Oh, it's saying an indictment.

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Alright, why don't you read it to me?

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[Winn] Ken Katsaris relished this.

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Katsaris made a show of it.

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He invited the press.
There were video cameras there.

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My chance to talk to the press--

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[Katsaris] "Contrary to Section 782.04,
Florida statute."

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I'll plead not guilty right now.

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You know, Katsaris was a showman
and Bundy was a showman

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and they were in competition.

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He and Bundy were serious adversaries.

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[Bundy] You're on the ballot for election,
aren't you?

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-Mr. Bundy-- Mr. Bundy--
-You finally got it, didn't you?

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Told them that-- you told them that
you were gonna get me.

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He said he was gonna get me.

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Okay, you've got the indictment.
It's all you're gonna get.

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Let's read it. Let's go.

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We locked him up under circumstances
that were tighter than anybody else.

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He was in a solid cell for four people

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by himself.

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At that time,
I had my investigators there,

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and he was acting weird
and had special requirements.

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He wanted to be interviewed by a window.

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He wanted to be able to
see the full moon.

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And he had all these special requests.

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And I-- I was getting a little irritated

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because they were not getting
any information from him.

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[Bob Keppel] Now, at last,
Ted Bundy was back behind bars,

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and after just a few hours in jail,

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he was especially vulnerable
and willing to talk.

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[♪ dark, tense music playing]

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[Bob Keppel] I knew what Bundy meant.

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Serial killers are unlike
any other type of criminals.

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They're battle-hardened.

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They can stand up to interrogators
looking for a quick confession,

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and they know more about serial murder
than almost any detective.

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[Louis Schlesinger]
He doesn't want publicity.

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He wants to keep quiet.
Really?

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Why did you represent yourself pro se
with the cameras on there

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if you don't want publicity?

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He absolutely wanted publicity,

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because it feeds in
to another personality trait that he has,

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which is narcissism.

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He wants to be the center of attention
to everybody.

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[♪ dark music playing]

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[crowd chattering]

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[Bob Keppel]
More than 20 television stations

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set up in a Miami courthouse

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for the trial of the former law student
and accused killer

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as he led his own defense.

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This was the first criminal case
ever televised.

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It was actually fascinating to watch.

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The Bundy trial
has drawn a lot of attention,

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partly because of who he is,

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a mysterious former law student
with a charming air in court,

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and partly because of the crimes
he is accused of committing.

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[Bob Keppel]
His Florida trial gave Bundy center stage.

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It was a showcase
for his grandiosity, bravado,

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and overinflated ego.

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In court, Ted Bundy ended up
being his own attorney,

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asking questions
of both the victims of his crime

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as well as witnesses.

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[Winn] He was a terrible law student.
He never finished law school.

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Judge Cowart said,

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"Well, you defend yourself,
you got a fool for a client." [chuckles]

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[Winn] There were times in the courtroom
when he looked lifeless and bereft.

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There was a kind of
a dead-behind-the-eyes quality.

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[Bob Keppel] Outside the courtroom,
Bundy's mystique was growing.

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There were Bundy souvenirs,

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Bundy memorabilia,

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even Bundy fan clubs.

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[Katherine Ramsland] Ted Bundy
has gotten the most media attention.

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He had charisma, he did a lot
of representing himself to the media.

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I think Bundy's just become
the most visible of serial killers.

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When you think
of the phrase "serial killer,"

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that's the person
that most often springs to mind.

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[reporter] What is unusual to see
is that many of the onlookers are women,

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young women, contemporaries
of the five Florida State sorority sisters

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who were assaulted in their beds
a year and a half ago.

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Every time he turns around,
I kinda get that feeling,

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"Oh, no," you know? [chuckles]
"Gonna get me next."

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[reporter]
But, yet you're fascinated by it.

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Very, very.

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[Kleiner Rubin] The public is interested
and fascinated by Ted Bundy.

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How could he be a serial killer?

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People look at him and think,
"Oh, he's just a normal guy.

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He went to law school,"
and you know, all this stuff.

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He doesn't have horns
and he doesn't look like a devil,

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but he was.

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[♪ dark, unsettling music playing]

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When it was my day to testify,
I put on this bright red dress,

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and I went to the courtroom.

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I saw Ted Bundy.

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He was sitting there staring at me,

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and I stared at him.

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And then when I was through
with my testimony,

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I was walked back out of the court,

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and I felt I was gonna throw up.

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The whole process had just hit me,

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and-- and I understood
everything that had happened

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and that my part of the story now was over

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and I had done the best I could
to help in prosecuting him.

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[reporter] The jury took
little time finalizing its decision.

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The scramble was on to beam
the news by satellite across Florida

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and west to Seattle,
Salt Lake City, and Denver.

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[Judge Edward Cowart]
Count Three of the information,

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a jury of your peers, having found you
guilty of Murder in the First Degree

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of this court,
adjudged you guilty.

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[♪ dramatic music plays]

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00:31:33,182 --> 00:31:36,060
[♪ dark, tense music playing]

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00:31:38,521 --> 00:31:42,233
In Miami, Theodore Bundy has been
sentenced to die in the electric chair

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for the murder
of two Florida sorority sisters.

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[Judge Cowart] It is further ordered
that on such scheduled date

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that you be put to death.

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[Winn] After he was sentenced,

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he told Judge Edward Cowart,
"I'm not asking for mercy.

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I find it somewhat absurd to ask for mercy
for something I did not do."

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[Bundy] So, I will be tortured for
and will suffer for

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and receive the pain for that act,

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00:32:07,133 --> 00:32:11,304
but I will not share the burden
or the guilt.

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00:32:12,221 --> 00:32:14,515
[Bob Keppel]
Ted's denials were true to form,

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his usual mix of arrogance and lies.

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00:32:17,268 --> 00:32:18,978
It left a bitter taste,

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00:32:19,062 --> 00:32:22,023
but what did I expect
from this wormy psychopath?

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The truth? Remorse?

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00:32:24,442 --> 00:32:25,443
Never.

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00:32:26,277 --> 00:32:29,447
[film strip whirring]

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After less than seven hours
of deliberation,

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the jury finds Bundy guilty of kidnapping
and murdering Kimberly Leach.

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00:32:39,415 --> 00:32:42,377
The judge hands down
Bundy's second death sentence.

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00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:44,087
-Get off!
-[lawyer] Wait a minute. Judge--

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00:32:44,170 --> 00:32:45,588
Let go of me.

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00:32:45,672 --> 00:32:47,090
We're gonna go up to the holdings.

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[lawyer] The court be in recess.

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[Dekle] After the dust had settled
and the smoke had cleared,

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the awful nature of what had happened
really hit me.

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They had just published a picture of her
in a paper.

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00:33:02,522 --> 00:33:03,856
Thinking about that,

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00:33:03,940 --> 00:33:08,611
thinking about
what awful things had happened to her,

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00:33:09,904 --> 00:33:11,072
I cried.

477
00:33:12,073 --> 00:33:17,745
Uh, I got psychological scars from that
that, uh, I'll carry to my grave.

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[reporter]
The jury deliberated about 45 minutes.

479
00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:22,959
They came back with the decision of death.

480
00:33:23,042 --> 00:33:25,378
"And it impose the death penalty
upon the defendant,

481
00:33:25,461 --> 00:33:26,796
Theodore Robert Bundy."

482
00:33:26,879 --> 00:33:28,798
Tell the jury that they were wrong.

483
00:33:29,757 --> 00:33:31,843
[Bob Keppel]
Bundy was now convicted and sentenced,

484
00:33:31,926 --> 00:33:35,013
so I had assumed the story of Ted Bundy
would end in Florida.

485
00:33:36,097 --> 00:33:39,350
Fate, however,
had charted a different course.

486
00:33:40,101 --> 00:33:42,770
[Dekle] He was getting
closer and closer to the end,

487
00:33:42,854 --> 00:33:49,360
uh, so he was casting about for excuses
to not get the death penalty.

488
00:33:49,444 --> 00:33:54,157
And if he could turn himself
into some kind of a, uh, guru

489
00:33:54,824 --> 00:33:57,910
for, uh, helping people
solve serial killer cases,

490
00:33:58,661 --> 00:34:02,165
you know, that just might be his ticket
to escaping the death penalty.

491
00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:05,585
[♪ dark music playing]

492
00:34:05,668 --> 00:34:08,171
[film strip whirring]

493
00:34:17,638 --> 00:34:20,183
[Bob Keppel] Bundy wanted to talk,
I agreed,

494
00:34:20,975 --> 00:34:25,104
even though being part of
a serial killer's scheme to avoid justice

495
00:34:25,188 --> 00:34:27,148
made my skin crawl.

496
00:34:34,322 --> 00:34:36,115
But still, I agreed to meet with him.

497
00:34:37,033 --> 00:34:40,495
I believed Bundy's insights
into serial killers

498
00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:45,249
could provide valuable information
for homicide investigators in the future.

499
00:34:45,792 --> 00:34:50,171
Besides, Bundy was behind bars,
The Riverman wasn't.

500
00:34:51,923 --> 00:34:56,260
By 1985, he was suspected
of killing 42 women.

501
00:34:57,261 --> 00:35:00,807
By the end of the year,
the total would be even higher.

502
00:35:05,603 --> 00:35:07,313
[reporter]
Authorities in Oregon said today

503
00:35:07,396 --> 00:35:10,233
that the bodies of five young women
found last week

504
00:35:10,316 --> 00:35:12,360
may be victims
of the Green River Killer.

505
00:35:13,444 --> 00:35:16,322
[Bob Keppel] In 1985,
the remains of a young woman

506
00:35:16,405 --> 00:35:19,242
were found near a golf course
in Tigard, Oregon.

507
00:35:19,909 --> 00:35:24,330
Investigators suspected
she was another victim of The Riverman.

508
00:35:24,872 --> 00:35:29,127
Dental records identified her
as 16-year-old Tammie Liles.

509
00:35:29,919 --> 00:35:32,880
Tammie's family reported her missing
two years earlier.

510
00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:33,965
[camera clicks]

511
00:35:34,048 --> 00:35:36,717
I remember coming in the house
from playing outside

512
00:35:36,801 --> 00:35:38,302
and KING 5 News was on,

513
00:35:39,595 --> 00:35:44,851
and they were showing
a Task Force picking up bones in Oregon,

514
00:35:44,934 --> 00:35:48,312
not knowing... that
that was our sister, Tammie.

515
00:35:48,729 --> 00:35:51,023
[♪ dark, somber music playing]

516
00:35:51,983 --> 00:35:55,653
[John Liles] We got pulled outta school
and we went to my mom's office.

517
00:35:55,736 --> 00:35:57,071
She worked at the hospital.

518
00:35:57,155 --> 00:35:58,906
And when we got there,
there were all the police,

519
00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:01,325
the sheriffs, and everything,
and that's when they told us.

520
00:36:01,409 --> 00:36:02,410
[camera clicks]

521
00:36:02,577 --> 00:36:05,288
[Jason Liles] They were wearing
those Green River Task Force jackets.

522
00:36:05,371 --> 00:36:06,414
[siblings] Mm-hmm.

523
00:36:06,497 --> 00:36:08,082
So, once you see that,

524
00:36:08,166 --> 00:36:09,584
-then you kind of think--
-Then you know.

525
00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:12,378
Like, "Okay, now something's really
gonna be going on here," you know?

526
00:36:12,461 --> 00:36:15,548
That's when I kinda started thinking
about, "Okay, maybe--

527
00:36:15,631 --> 00:36:17,633
maybe this is what happened to her."

528
00:36:19,510 --> 00:36:21,512
[Bob Keppel]
Tammie Liles was laid to rest,

529
00:36:22,221 --> 00:36:25,099
but The Green River Killer
was still free.

530
00:36:27,393 --> 00:36:28,978
There was no closure,

531
00:36:29,979 --> 00:36:31,147
only questions.

532
00:36:37,904 --> 00:36:39,405
[♪ tense music playing]

533
00:36:39,488 --> 00:36:43,034
[Bob Keppel] By the time
Bundy and I sat down in 1988,

534
00:36:43,117 --> 00:36:46,537
he was still appealing his case,
but the clock was ticking.

535
00:36:46,621 --> 00:36:51,167
I was flipping back and forth
between Ted and The Green River Killer.

536
00:36:52,084 --> 00:36:56,672
After all these years,
I now needed Ted to talk about himself.

537
00:36:57,256 --> 00:36:58,424
I played for time,

538
00:36:59,342 --> 00:37:01,510
even when I knew there was no time.

539
00:37:03,429 --> 00:37:04,847
He had to come to me.

540
00:37:05,348 --> 00:37:06,766
[♪ tense music continues]

541
00:37:48,474 --> 00:37:50,434
[Bob Keppel]
Ted was talking about himself.

542
00:37:50,851 --> 00:37:53,354
He didn't want to die
in the electric chair.

543
00:37:53,938 --> 00:37:57,191
It seemed like
he was really close to opening up.

544
00:37:57,275 --> 00:38:00,987
He was wriggling around in his chair
like I'd never seen before.

545
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,383
[Bob Keppel] What I didn't know
was that the day before,

546
00:38:22,466 --> 00:38:25,553
Ted's attorney
had convinced him not to confess to me.

547
00:38:27,054 --> 00:38:29,098
If it hadn't been for his attorney,

548
00:38:29,181 --> 00:38:32,018
I suspect
Bundy would've begun telling all.

549
00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:38,232
[♪ tense music continues playing]

550
00:38:40,693 --> 00:38:43,070
Keppel thought he had failed with Bundy

551
00:38:43,946 --> 00:38:48,534
because although Bundy had told him a lot,
didn't tell him enough.

552
00:38:50,786 --> 00:38:55,207
[Katsaris] He was never going
to give us good or valuable information.

553
00:38:55,791 --> 00:38:58,961
The people that were there collecting it,
I admire them,

554
00:38:59,045 --> 00:39:01,714
but in my opinion, he was playing them.

555
00:39:02,631 --> 00:39:04,925
And he would continue playing that game,

556
00:39:05,843 --> 00:39:09,221
and to this day,
we'd be playing games with Ted Bundy.

557
00:39:12,350 --> 00:39:14,226
Uh, he'd talk till he was
blue in the face.

558
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:16,395
He's not gonna do those victim's
a bit of good.

559
00:39:16,479 --> 00:39:18,105
They're dead, they're gone.

560
00:39:18,189 --> 00:39:22,234
And, uh, he is breathing good air

561
00:39:23,027 --> 00:39:24,945
that somebody else could be breathing,

562
00:39:25,529 --> 00:39:26,697
and he needs to die.

563
00:39:27,615 --> 00:39:29,283
[phone ringing]

564
00:39:31,077 --> 00:39:33,621
[Bob Keppel] I got a call
from Bundy's lawyers

565
00:39:33,704 --> 00:39:35,915
asking me to come back to Florida.

566
00:39:37,541 --> 00:39:39,335
[Birnes]
Bundy comes up with a strategy.

567
00:39:39,418 --> 00:39:44,840
He says, "If I can tell you stories
of my crimes, I can stay alive."

568
00:39:46,592 --> 00:39:49,387
[Winn] You know, he held the cards,
he knew everything.

569
00:39:49,470 --> 00:39:51,305
Even as he was awaiting his execution,

570
00:39:51,389 --> 00:39:54,809
he had a kind of a power
that gratified him.

571
00:39:54,892 --> 00:39:57,061
[♪ dark, tense music playing]

572
00:40:02,858 --> 00:40:05,820
[Bill Hagmaier] There were investigators
from four states:

573
00:40:05,903 --> 00:40:11,117
Colorado, Utah, Idaho,
and, um, Washington.

574
00:40:11,575 --> 00:40:13,702
At that point,
I think there were only six days left

575
00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:15,162
before he was going to die.

576
00:40:39,562 --> 00:40:42,022
[Bob Keppel]
Was Bundy playing another game?

577
00:40:43,399 --> 00:40:47,027
If so, this time,
the game involved his own life.

578
00:40:48,112 --> 00:40:49,864
He had just days to live.

579
00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:17,892
[♪ dramatic music plays]

580
00:41:20,603 --> 00:41:22,271
[reporter]
The latest attempts to spare Bundy

581
00:41:22,354 --> 00:41:24,190
from Florida's electric chair
ran their course

582
00:41:24,273 --> 00:41:26,942
when the US Supreme Court refused
to hear his case.

583
00:41:27,735 --> 00:41:30,362
[Birnes] His lawyers were going
to the Supreme Court.

584
00:41:30,446 --> 00:41:32,907
He says,
"I can give you a lot more information

585
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:34,700
if I can stay alive."

586
00:41:35,868 --> 00:41:37,953
Ted's trying to extend his life.

587
00:41:38,537 --> 00:41:43,125
And he's going to say enough
that they're going to go back and say,

588
00:41:43,209 --> 00:41:44,752
"Hey, give him another 90 days."

589
00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:49,131
[reporter] Ted Bundy confessed that
he committed at least eight murders

590
00:41:49,215 --> 00:41:50,841
in Washington State.

591
00:42:06,398 --> 00:42:09,235
Keppel wants to solve
The Green River murders case.

592
00:42:09,318 --> 00:42:13,906
It was kind of just this legendary case
in the office that had never been solved.

593
00:42:14,740 --> 00:42:16,033
[Dave Reichert] It almost seemed like

594
00:42:16,116 --> 00:42:18,911
you're working
in the Super Bowl of murder cases,

595
00:42:19,662 --> 00:42:22,456
and someone tells you it's--
it's over and you've lost.

596
00:42:23,707 --> 00:42:26,585
I never had a thought
that we weren't gonna catch him.

597
00:42:27,002 --> 00:42:29,755
I just wondered how, when, and where.

598
00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:32,132
And I knew I wanted to be a part of it.

599
00:42:32,758 --> 00:42:34,552
[Patty Eakes]
There were a lot more missing women

600
00:42:34,635 --> 00:42:37,471
and he was much more effective
at hiding their bodies.

601
00:42:37,555 --> 00:42:40,057
The Supreme Court said,
"There's nothing more to be gained,

602
00:42:40,975 --> 00:42:42,601
carry out the sentence."

603
00:42:42,685 --> 00:42:46,313
[Bob Keppel] Come on, partner.
These are things I don't know about you.

604
00:42:46,897 --> 00:42:49,108
[reporter] No one could be sure
Bundy didn't have

605
00:42:49,191 --> 00:42:51,402
a last trick up his sleeve.

606
00:42:53,070 --> 00:42:54,321
[clicking]

607
00:42:54,613 --> 00:42:59,076
[♪ tense music playing]

607
00:43:00,305 --> 00:44:00,319
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