"Le monde en face" Covid, le secret des origines

WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:18.880 ... 00:00:19.200 --> 00:00:22.440 -In a murder, if you find the murder weapon, 00:00:22.760 --> 00:00:26.360 This is a first element of investigation which allows you to contribute 00:00:26.680 --> 00:00:28.120 to find the culprit. 00:00:34.400 --> 00:00:38.640 -Since 2020, the Pasteur Institute and Professor Eloit 00:00:38.960 --> 00:00:42.160 follow the trail of the origin of the pandemic, 00:00:42.480 --> 00:00:45.880 looking for the bat carrier of the virus 00:00:46.200 --> 00:00:47.600 at the origin of covid. 00:00:47.920 --> 00:00:51.080 -Working in China, it is doomed to failure. 00:00:51.400 --> 00:00:55.120 We decided to work in neighboring countries 00:00:55.440 --> 00:00:59.080 who share the same ecosystem with southern China 00:00:59.400 --> 00:01:01.240 like Laos and Vietnam. 00:01:03.040 --> 00:01:04.440 -Okay, we can go. 00:01:08.680 --> 00:01:12.680 -A single species of bat is able to transmit 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:14.840 the covid virus to humans. 00:01:17.680 --> 00:01:23.040 She lives in a remote area in the mountain caves. 00:01:25.320 --> 00:01:26.640 -Put on your masks. 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:31.000 -It's a very difficult job and dangerous. 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:39.640 -We put on wetsuits protection to avoid 00:01:39.960 --> 00:01:43.560 certain transmitted diseases by these wild animals. 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:55.880 There we install a trap at the entrance to the cave. 00:01:59.120 --> 00:02:01.920 It's a net with very strong mesh 00:02:02.240 --> 00:02:05.280 in which bats will take each other. 00:02:19.160 --> 00:02:21.600 That's a specimen. with large wings. 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:31.320 -You North, you Vietnam in the north of Laos, 00:02:31.640 --> 00:02:35.640 a thousand bats were collected by the teams 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:38.880 from the Pasteur Institute these last 4 years. 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:46.920 -We take samples, we are looking for Sars-type viruses, 00:02:47.240 --> 00:02:51.560 viruses that bats carry carry and can transmit 00:02:51.880 --> 00:02:54.600 to other species, especially humans. 00:02:56.240 --> 00:02:59.480 What we hope for, It is to find the origin of covid. 00:03:02.240 --> 00:03:05.440 -Marc Eloit's teams are the first in the world 00:03:05.760 --> 00:03:07.400 to have discovered in Laos 00:03:07.720 --> 00:03:10.960 the closest virus never identified covid. 00:03:12.320 --> 00:03:15.360 -We found what we were looking for, we discovered 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:20.320 viral sequences extremely close to Sars-CoV-2. 00:03:21.160 --> 00:03:24.960 No virus so close has not yet been identified. 00:03:32.840 --> 00:03:34.880 What is striking, it is that the populations 00:03:35.200 --> 00:03:37.160 in contact are not infected. 00:03:37.480 --> 00:03:39.680 We find this virus 2000 km further. 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:42.080 From the beginning, it hits. 00:03:43.960 --> 00:03:46.760 How this virus, that he is in Laos 00:03:47.080 --> 00:03:50.760 or in southern China, can end up in Wuhan? 00:03:51.080 --> 00:03:54.600 This is one of the questions that everyone asks themselves 00:03:54.920 --> 00:03:56.520 for several years. 00:04:05.600 --> 00:04:08.240 -It's the worst pandemic for a century, 00:04:08.560 --> 00:04:10.360 since the Spanish flu. 00:04:10.680 --> 00:04:13.320 The disease has made between 13 and 17 million 00:04:13.640 --> 00:04:14.440 of victims. 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:18.000 Panic cries. 00:04:20.840 --> 00:04:23.240 -Where could it come from? the coronavirus? 00:04:23.560 --> 00:04:25.800 -What do we know? the origins of covid? 00:04:26.120 --> 00:04:28.640 -The question is always no answer. 00:04:28.960 --> 00:04:31.360 -Some say that the source will never be found. 00:04:31.680 --> 00:04:34.080 -Chinese researchers discovered the virus 00:04:34.400 --> 00:04:36.520 in dozens samples from the Wuhan market 00:04:36.840 --> 00:04:39.680 which could be the source of the epidemic. 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:43.200 -And if Sars-CoV-2 had escaped by accident 00:04:43.520 --> 00:04:46.800 from a laboratory Wuhan and China? 00:04:47.120 --> 00:05:47.880 ... 00:05:48.200 --> 00:05:49.400 The machine beeps. 00:05:52.480 --> 00:05:55.400 -I know well the Chinese Communist Party. 00:05:59.760 --> 00:06:02.400 I know things that the vast majority 00:06:02.720 --> 00:06:04.920 of the Chinese population ignores. 00:06:10.520 --> 00:06:12.760 -Wei Jingsheng is the most famous 00:06:13.080 --> 00:06:15.320 Chinese deserters in the West. 00:06:17.680 --> 00:06:21.720 Son of high-ranking communist officials, he attended the same school 00:06:22.040 --> 00:06:26.240 that Xi Jinping before passing 20 years behind party bars. 00:06:30.360 --> 00:06:32.960 Refugee in Washington in the 90s, 00:06:33.280 --> 00:06:36.920 he kept in touch within the Chinese government. 00:06:40.200 --> 00:06:43.240 -At the time of the Military Games from 2019 in Wuhan, 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:47.360 there was a lot of information on social networks 00:06:47.680 --> 00:06:50.280 according to which many people 00:06:50.600 --> 00:06:53.440 were contaminated, especially athletes. 00:06:55.080 --> 00:06:59.080 Crowd cheering. 00:06:59.400 --> 00:07:04.560 -October 18, 2019 in Wuhan, begins a major diplomatic event. 00:07:07.840 --> 00:07:10.440 10,000 soldiers from 100 different countries 00:07:10.760 --> 00:07:13.560 compete sportingly for 10 days. 00:07:13.880 --> 00:07:16.600 Despite their excellent physical condition, 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:20.560 number of these athletes return home very weak. 00:07:20.880 --> 00:07:24.280 -Following the Military Games, I not only learn 00:07:24.600 --> 00:07:28.440 that many athletes but also hotel employees 00:07:28.760 --> 00:07:32.680 in which they stayed caught a weird virus. 00:07:33.000 --> 00:07:36.400 It had to happen something abnormal in Wuhan. 00:07:38.280 --> 00:07:42.200 -While nothing filters out in the Chinese official media, 00:07:42.520 --> 00:07:45.920 Wei said he will receive a few weeks later the call 00:07:46.240 --> 00:07:47.640 from one of its sources. 00:07:51.320 --> 00:07:54.640 -One of my contacts on site wondered why 00:07:54.960 --> 00:08:00.320 a mobile crematorium was to be moved from the province 00:08:00.640 --> 00:08:03.720 from Guangdong to Wuhan. 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:07.640 -Who was this person? 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:11.080 -I can't reveal to you his identity. 00:08:11.400 --> 00:08:14.440 I can just tell you that he is a military man. 00:08:14.760 --> 00:08:17.200 In the army, these mobile crematoriums 00:08:17.520 --> 00:08:20.720 are normally used to prepare for war 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:24.080 when a large number people will die, 00:08:24.400 --> 00:08:25.840 to burn the bodies. 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:35.040 -At the same time, in Washington, American officials too 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:38.840 identify a situation unusual in Wuhan. 00:08:40.240 --> 00:08:42.840 -A very large number of military personnel, 00:08:43.160 --> 00:08:46.920 of American soldiers returned from the Wuhan Games 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:49.680 affected by a severe form of flu. 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:54.840 It was considered as worrying given 00:08:55.160 --> 00:08:59.840 that she appeared earlier than usual. 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:08.040 -On December 26, 2019, in China, laboratory analyses 00:09:08.360 --> 00:09:12.760 reveal the emergence of a new coronavirus 00:09:13.080 --> 00:09:16.120 of the Sars family, the most dangerous. 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:20.880 Sars for respiratory syndrome severe acute 00:09:21.200 --> 00:09:23.600 which had already hit Asia in 2003. 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:30.440 Despite the danger, the Party will do everything 00:09:30.760 --> 00:09:32.480 to stifle the news. 00:09:32.800 --> 00:09:37.120 Doctors who sound the alarm are arrested, like Li Wenliang. 00:10:01.800 --> 00:10:04.040 -This doctor warned his colleagues 00:10:04.360 --> 00:10:06.360 so that they pay attention. 00:10:08.160 --> 00:10:12.000 The Chinese Communist Party discovered it, he was arrested. 00:10:18.560 --> 00:10:22.000 -On December 30, a note of the Municipal Commission 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:24.560 health formalizes censorship. 00:10:38.600 --> 00:10:41.800 -The highest authorities of the Party had given 00:10:42.120 --> 00:10:45.160 for instructions that no one should not talk about it. 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:48.920 Many other doctors who tried to broadcast 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:51.280 information was punished. 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:55.600 When the Chinese Communist Party stops people from talking, 00:10:55.920 --> 00:10:58.040 he's hiding something. 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.400 -January 3, the National Commission 00:11:01.720 --> 00:11:05.160 health makes disappear biological evidence. 00:11:17.880 --> 00:11:22.400 -We had no information from the Chinese government. 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:27.040 Everything we knew came of a dozen Chinese doctors 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:29.760 who risked their lives by contacting 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:31.800 the American government. 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:36.360 They told us that doctors in military uniform appeared 00:11:36.680 --> 00:11:39.880 in Wuhan hospitals but also in Shanghai, 00:11:40.200 --> 00:11:43.920 Beijing, Canton, all over China to prevent any effort 00:11:44.240 --> 00:11:48.200 Chinese scientists to search for the origin of covid. 00:12:03.640 --> 00:12:08.680 -In January 2020, covid decimated the Wuhan population. 00:12:26.920 --> 00:12:29.120 -The residents film the horror. 00:12:36.320 --> 00:12:39.520 Censored images that we were able to recover. 00:12:59.880 --> 00:13:02.320 -Where does it come from? this mysterious disease? 00:13:04.400 --> 00:13:07.240 As the virus spreads and that China 00:13:07.560 --> 00:13:10.160 officially recognizes his first deaths, 00:13:10.480 --> 00:13:14.600 Beijing Designates Wuhan Market as the epicenter of the epidemic. 00:13:31.040 --> 00:13:34.360 -The enigma of origins becomes the field of investigation 00:13:34.680 --> 00:13:37.480 of the most famous virologists international 00:13:37.800 --> 00:13:39.320 like Angela Rasmussen. 00:13:39.640 --> 00:13:42.240 -Understand where they come from pandemics, 00:13:42.560 --> 00:13:44.960 it's the reason for being of my work 00:13:45.280 --> 00:13:48.600 and my profession, in order to prevent the next ones 00:13:48.920 --> 00:13:49.920 to happen. 00:13:51.800 --> 00:13:54.520 -The American is a covid specialist 00:13:54.840 --> 00:13:58.240 and animals that transmit viruses to humans. 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:05.880 -SARS-CoV-2 emerged in a almost identical to Sars-CoV-1. 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:11.760 Sars-CoV-1 had been found in masked civets, 00:14:12.080 --> 00:14:15.000 raccoon dogs and ferret-badgers. 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:18.960 They were all sold for their meat and also served 00:14:19.280 --> 00:14:20.680 in restaurants. 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:24.440 The people who had done their shopping on these stalls 00:14:24.760 --> 00:14:27.960 and ate in these restaurants have been contaminated. 00:14:28.760 --> 00:14:31.200 -A mysterious one pneumonia epidemic 00:14:31.520 --> 00:14:33.960 part of Asia is a health threat 00:14:34.280 --> 00:14:35.920 for all continents. 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:40.520 -In 2003, a first Sars epidemic had left China 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:43.360 before touching around thirty countries, 00:14:43.680 --> 00:14:46.880 contaminating 9,000 people and taking 800 lives. 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:54.320 The virus had passed from bat to man 00:14:54.640 --> 00:14:58.280 by mutating within an animal called an intermediate host. 00:14:58.600 --> 00:15:02.160 In this case, a civet sold in markets 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:03.720 in southern China. 00:15:04.800 --> 00:15:07.040 Has history repeated itself? 00:15:10.280 --> 00:15:14.000 -The wildlife trade creates a huge risk 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:15.120 of pandemic. 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:18.840 It is very likely that there is a virus passage 00:15:19.160 --> 00:15:22.280 from an animal to a human in an animal market 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:26.040 where people move around and mix then return 00:15:26.360 --> 00:15:27.560 in their family. 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:34.960 We found a mountain of evidence that supports 00:15:35.280 --> 00:15:37.320 that's what happened. 00:15:42.000 --> 00:15:45.640 -Epicenter of the pandemic, Wuhan market is closed. 00:15:46.680 --> 00:15:50.320 Beijing disinfects the premises, erasing valuable clues 00:15:50.640 --> 00:15:54.280 who could have helped to understand what happened. 00:15:55.040 --> 00:15:57.640 Since 2003, the sale of wild animals 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:01.000 is banned in China but photos published 00:16:01.320 --> 00:16:04.640 on Chinese networks at the end of 2019 let glimpse 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:08.200 an illegal trade raccoon dogs, civets, 00:16:08.520 --> 00:16:10.360 badgers and other species. 00:16:12.040 --> 00:16:16.240 Analysis of samples taken on site confirms the presence 00:16:16.560 --> 00:16:18.960 of living mammals in this market. 00:16:21.640 --> 00:16:24.240 -We have led detective work 00:16:24.560 --> 00:16:27.400 and found DNA raccoon dogs 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:31.320 as well as traces of badgers, masked civets 00:16:31.640 --> 00:16:34.160 and many other species of the same type. 00:16:35.120 --> 00:16:39.440 -Thanks to his investigation, A.Rasmussen claims to have identified the outbreak 00:16:39.760 --> 00:16:43.200 which would be the source of the first human contaminations 00:16:43.520 --> 00:16:46.120 in a sector well-defined market. 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.640 -Positive samples at the covid were 00:16:49.960 --> 00:16:52.680 to the place where these animals were sold, 00:16:53.000 --> 00:16:55.320 in the southwest part of the market. 00:16:55.640 --> 00:16:58.040 These animals were carriers of the virus 00:16:58.360 --> 00:17:02.400 and passed it on to people who were shopping there. 00:17:02.720 --> 00:17:04.960 That's why it's more or less 00:17:05.280 --> 00:17:08.000 a consensus among us, scientists. 00:17:08.320 --> 00:17:11.720 The evidence converges towards animal transmission 00:17:12.040 --> 00:17:12.960 of Sars-CoV-2. 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:17.880 -Mais A.Rasmussen has never been able to identify an animal 00:17:18.200 --> 00:17:22.320 intermediate and therefore proven definitely the origin of covid. 00:17:23.240 --> 00:17:26.760 In 2003, it took 3 months to find out. 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:35.240 -I don't call that a consensus. 00:17:38.040 --> 00:17:41.080 This is not the demonstration, it is not. 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:44.000 The quantities of Sars-CoV-2 that we find 00:17:44.320 --> 00:17:45.960 are extremely weak. 00:17:46.280 --> 00:17:50.120 You can even imagine that man contaminated the animal. 00:17:52.680 --> 00:17:58.120 Consensus will come when the origin will be demonstrated. 00:17:58.600 --> 00:17:59.840 We are not there yet. 00:18:09.800 --> 00:18:13.440 -While the market version imposes itself in the media 00:18:13.760 --> 00:18:14.800 from all over the world, 00:18:15.120 --> 00:18:17.440 some scientists wonder 00:18:17.760 --> 00:18:20.080 Among them, an immunologist, 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:23.400 became Minister of Health: Agnès Buzyn who, 00:18:23.720 --> 00:18:25.960 to the announcement of the first deaths in Wuhan, 00:18:26.280 --> 00:18:28.520 notes a disturbing coincidence. 00:18:30.880 --> 00:18:33.800 -January 11 The first death occurs in China. 00:18:34.120 --> 00:18:37.320 There, I understand that it is potentially serious. 00:18:37.640 --> 00:18:39.680 From the moment where someone dies, 00:18:40.000 --> 00:18:42.520 it's not just a common pneumonia, 00:18:42.840 --> 00:18:43.960 So I'm worried. 00:18:44.280 --> 00:18:47.680 All of a sudden, I realize that Wuhan is the city of P4. 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:51.720 A P4 laboratory is a high security laboratory. 00:18:52.040 --> 00:18:55.640 Viruses are grown there potentially dangerous. 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.760 A P4 laboratory in China, it is not trivial 00:19:00.080 --> 00:19:03.600 so I'm really worried and I want to signify it 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:06.320 to the Prime Minister and to the President of the Republic. 00:19:06.680 --> 00:19:10.080 Here is the text January 11, 2020, 12:16 p.m. 00:19:28.360 --> 00:19:31.960 -His text to the Prime Minister is even more alarmist. 00:19:38.400 --> 00:19:41.160 -What I mean to the Prime Minister, 00:19:41.480 --> 00:19:43.680 that's what's happening in a society 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:46.560 which is not democratic, which is not transparent. 00:19:47.760 --> 00:19:49.920 An epidemic begins in a city 00:19:50.240 --> 00:19:53.040 where there is a laboratory high security. 00:19:53.480 --> 00:19:57.520 My fear is that there was virus manipulations inside. 00:19:57.840 --> 00:20:01.000 I say to myself: "What do they have done in this laboratory?" 00:20:01.320 --> 00:20:02.400 That's my anxiety. 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:05.680 What could they have done? in this laboratory? 00:20:07.240 --> 00:20:10.400 -What is this P4? who worries A.Buzyn so much? 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:15.120 This is the first laboratory high security in China. 00:20:17.600 --> 00:20:20.800 And if Beijing has it, It's thanks to France. 00:20:22.440 --> 00:20:25.840 A story that is being tied in the late 90s. 00:20:33.160 --> 00:20:36.000 -Shortly before 11 a.m., Jacques Chirac arrives at Gerland, 00:20:36.320 --> 00:20:39.520 headquarters of the ultramodern laboratory intended to study viruses 00:20:39.840 --> 00:20:41.560 the most dangerous in the world. 00:20:42.720 --> 00:20:45.440 -Inaugurated by the French president at the time, 00:20:45.760 --> 00:20:50.000 the level 4 laboratory in Lyon is the first of its kind in Europe. 00:20:50.920 --> 00:20:52.320 He embodies the future. 00:20:53.640 --> 00:20:59.240 -Any infectious disease can put us all in danger. 00:21:00.560 --> 00:21:03.960 -In order to prevent epidemics, researchers are working 00:21:04.280 --> 00:21:07.360 under very high protection on infectious strains 00:21:07.680 --> 00:21:10.120 the deadliest on the planet. 00:21:13.080 --> 00:21:17.680 Cutting-edge medical research that A.Buzyn's husband, Yves Lévy, 00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:19.760 has a supervised time. 00:21:20.480 --> 00:21:23.240 This great immunologist doctor is specialized 00:21:23.560 --> 00:21:26.280 in vaccines against AIDS or Ebola. 00:21:28.240 --> 00:21:31.200 -Viruses or bacteria are classified by the WHO 00:21:31.520 --> 00:21:33.920 in levels of risk and infection. 00:21:34.560 --> 00:21:37.880 Some of these viruses are extremely dangerous, 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:42.920 like the Ebola virus, the Congo-Crimean virus 00:21:43.440 --> 00:21:45.200 or the Nipah virus. 00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:48.040 Cries of distress. 00:21:48.360 --> 00:21:50.880 They are classified at level 4, let's say. 00:21:51.200 --> 00:21:53.920 This level 4, the highest level, 00:21:54.240 --> 00:21:57.680 must be in an environment extremely secure. 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:02.440 We have a set of safety rules. 00:22:02.760 --> 00:22:05.960 The way we come in, that is to say that we do not return 00:22:06.280 --> 00:22:08.600 like that, we come back with diving suits... 00:22:08.920 --> 00:22:11.320 The way we manipulate, which we evacuate 00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:13.040 all waste... 00:22:13.360 --> 00:22:15.080 They are pathogens. 00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:17.360 There may be bioterrorism, 00:22:17.680 --> 00:22:20.120 possibly infectious risks. 00:22:20.440 --> 00:22:24.280 It's almost the same security than a nuclear power plant. 00:22:28.040 --> 00:22:32.240 -At the time, only 4 countries had of this cutting-edge technology 00:22:32.560 --> 00:22:36.960 under high security but the trauma of the 1st Sars 00:22:37.280 --> 00:22:38.320 changes the game. 00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:41.440 To avoid a new global epidemic, 00:22:41.760 --> 00:22:44.960 we must help China to fight against these viruses. 00:22:45.680 --> 00:22:49.520 "The Marseillaise", Red mullet from Lisle. 00:22:52.480 --> 00:22:55.760 In 2004, J. Chirac signed with Beijing 00:22:56.080 --> 00:22:58.520 an agreement of scientific cooperation. 00:22:59.800 --> 00:23:02.040 French flagships from biology, 00:23:02.360 --> 00:23:05.400 Pasteur and Mérieux will lead joint research 00:23:05.720 --> 00:23:10.200 with the Institute of Virology from Wuhan, a huge complex 00:23:10.520 --> 00:23:13.840 specialized in the study bat viruses. 00:23:14.320 --> 00:23:17.840 Paris is going up to offering a P4 laboratory. 00:23:18.920 --> 00:23:21.200 The French military are up in arms 00:23:21.520 --> 00:23:25.120 because the Institute of Virology Wuhan would collaborate 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:26.880 with the Chinese army. 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:33.400 In this note, they warn on a possible diversion 00:23:33.720 --> 00:23:36.560 of French technology for offensive purposes. 00:23:46.320 --> 00:23:48.520 French political decision-makers 00:23:48.840 --> 00:23:51.320 choose to ignore these warnings. 00:23:51.640 --> 00:23:54.920 Construction of the laboratory will nevertheless take 10 years. 00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:58.080 10 years of opposition between the defenders 00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:01.640 from diplomacy and those of national security. 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:15.600 The P4 is finally inaugurated in 2017. 00:24:17.440 --> 00:24:21.560 For the event, the government French makes the trip. 00:24:22.040 --> 00:24:24.240 At the time president of Inserm, 00:24:24.560 --> 00:24:27.240 Yves Lévy accompanies the Prime Minister. 00:24:27.560 --> 00:24:30.280 -First of all, It is a very massive building. 00:24:30.600 --> 00:24:32.800 The entrances are secure. 00:24:33.120 --> 00:24:36.360 Afterwards, entering the laboratory is even more secure, 00:24:36.680 --> 00:24:38.760 that is to say that we, when we visit it, 00:24:39.080 --> 00:24:40.520 we visit the exterior. 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:45.320 -I visited this morning the 1st laboratory 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:49.960 high biological security in Asia, class P4. 00:24:50.760 --> 00:24:53.040 Your city is thus equipped 00:24:53.360 --> 00:24:56.000 of scientific equipment of very high level, 00:24:56.320 --> 00:24:59.040 as there are elsewhere in the world. 00:24:59.840 --> 00:25:02.240 -Behind diplomatic enthusiasm, 00:25:02.560 --> 00:25:04.160 the situation is tense. 00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:06.800 Y. Lévy refuses to assist the Chinese 00:25:07.120 --> 00:25:09.640 in the standards compliance from the laboratory, 00:25:09.960 --> 00:25:14.480 in other words to guarantee its security in the name of France. 00:25:15.800 --> 00:25:18.640 -I was asked to help the Chinese finish 00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:23.680 the establishment of a P4, with all guarantees. 00:25:24.120 --> 00:25:26.400 It didn't happen like that so the atmosphere 00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:30.400 was not very pleasant because I opposed it. 00:25:30.720 --> 00:25:33.560 You can always ask a P4 lab 00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:37.080 which is high security and which brings into play, possibly, 00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:40.760 from bioterrorism to agents the most pathogenic: 00:25:41.120 --> 00:25:43.120 "Please, tell me what experiences 00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:45.080 you will do tomorrow, 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:47.360 which pathogenic strains you received 00:25:47.680 --> 00:25:50.760 and what you are working on because I just want to check." 00:25:51.080 --> 00:25:52.920 You think Can anyone believe that? 00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:54.880 In any case, me, I never believed it. 00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:58.120 -Especially since according to diplomatic feedback, 00:25:58.440 --> 00:26:01.720 the P4 laboratory has security vulnerabilities: 00:26:02.040 --> 00:26:05.560 lack of trained personnel, material not up to standard. 00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:10.720 The President of Inserm is alarmed by this in an internal note. 00:26:34.200 --> 00:26:37.960 Y. Lévy leaves office a few weeks later. 00:26:38.280 --> 00:26:41.000 His recommendations were not followed. 00:26:41.320 --> 00:26:45.320 In January 2018, the laboratory begins operations. 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.480 Cooperation is validated at the presidential level. 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:12.440 What happened since then? 00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:18.200 We ask the president of the Republic to understand 00:27:18.520 --> 00:27:22.160 what certainty France had on the laboratory's activities. 00:27:22.480 --> 00:27:24.640 He did not want to answer us. 00:27:27.800 --> 00:27:30.040 At the beginning of 2020, E. Macron chose 00:27:30.360 --> 00:27:34.920 to hold these meetings on the crisis covid in a bunker 00:27:35.240 --> 00:27:39.000 located in the basement of the Elysée: the Defense Council. 00:27:40.600 --> 00:27:44.360 The exchanges that take place there are classified, making 00:27:44.680 --> 00:27:48.960 of scientific cooperation Franco-Chinese a state secret. 00:27:54.080 --> 00:27:56.160 But according to a confidential document 00:27:56.480 --> 00:28:00.680 that we obtained, at the peak of the pandemic, the Elysée asked 00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:04.520 to French manufacturers of the Chinese P4 to guarantee them 00:28:04.840 --> 00:28:10.400 that the building does not participate to a biological weapons program. 00:28:13.080 --> 00:28:17.600 As Y. Lévy had predicted, Paris has visibly lost all control. 00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:33.520 The embarrassment of institutions raises questions 00:28:33.840 --> 00:28:36.640 and feeds the imagination of conspiracy theorists. 00:28:42.440 --> 00:28:46.120 In search of culprits, They target a couple 00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:48.680 of doctors to positions of responsibility 00:28:49.040 --> 00:28:50.560 and of Jewish faith. 00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:54.160 -I ignore the attacks physical in the street... 00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.480 -While they were the first whistleblowers on the P4, 00:28:57.800 --> 00:29:02.120 A.Buzyn and Y.Lévy are accused of having created covid. 00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:07.400 -What is this? -She's the poisoner of wells. 00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:14.160 This is the anti-Semitic tradition, medieval, archaic, 00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:16.720 that when an epidemic arrived... 00:29:17.040 --> 00:29:19.400 -When the plague came, Jews were accused 00:29:19.760 --> 00:29:21.360 to poison the wells. 00:29:23.400 --> 00:29:27.520 -Alexander showed me, in March-April, videos. 00:29:28.080 --> 00:29:31.600 I'm not going to name names. because I have no desire to... 00:29:33.320 --> 00:29:36.160 There was Agnes and me with 2 viruses in hand, 00:29:36.560 --> 00:29:41.360 that of AIDS and that of covid, with blood, having irrigated 00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:43.400 the planet of these 2 viruses. 00:29:45.760 --> 00:29:48.280 -On the one hand, there is conspiracy theory, 00:29:48.600 --> 00:29:51.760 who would like that my husband or I have manipulated 00:29:52.120 --> 00:29:53.440 viruses in the P4. 00:29:53.800 --> 00:29:57.440 That was the conspiracy theory. completely crazy and there was 00:29:57.800 --> 00:30:01.440 the question that remains unanswered: Is this a laboratory accident? 00:30:01.760 --> 00:30:05.720 As we don't have the answer to the 2nd question, in reality, 00:30:06.040 --> 00:30:08.600 I think that the institutions did not want to at all 00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:11.480 speak on this topic because immediately, 00:30:11.800 --> 00:30:14.000 we would have taken them away on "is it an accident" 00:30:14.320 --> 00:30:17.440 laboratory?" and no one knows the answer. 00:30:24.520 --> 00:30:26.800 -A single institution would be able 00:30:27.120 --> 00:30:29.760 to shed light on the origin of covid: 00:30:30.120 --> 00:30:32.760 the World Organization of health. 00:30:34.440 --> 00:30:38.720 Faced with the global drama, his responsibility is historic. 00:31:29.560 --> 00:31:32.600 -In January 2021, a team of WHO investigators 00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:36.840 is preparing to leave for Wuhan after a year of tough negotiations 00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:38.000 with China. 00:31:38.800 --> 00:31:41.840 All hopes are placed in this mission 00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:44.440 which is already announced like a fiasco. 00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:54.000 Even today, the subject is ultra-sensitive. 00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:03.960 But in Denmark, we got an appointment 00:32:04.280 --> 00:32:07.600 with the head of the delegation, who is no longer at the WHO since. 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.240 Despite his fears, he agrees to testify. 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.240 The Danish Peter Ben Embarek experienced it all at the outpost. 00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:19.680 He also filmed everything. 00:32:20.560 --> 00:32:24.960 Images that illustrate the extreme difficulty of investigating in China. 00:32:26.600 --> 00:32:30.680 -You took your smartphone on site? 00:32:31.080 --> 00:32:34.680 -Yes, that was also a way to document what I found, 00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:38.320 at the moment, important, difficult or particular. 00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:43.560 -He entrusted us his amateur videos. 00:32:50.040 --> 00:32:53.680 -WHO experts have started their mission: 10 scientists 00:32:54.040 --> 00:32:57.040 will investigate on the origin of this pandemic. 00:32:57.680 --> 00:33:00.240 -We have arrived in Wuhan, at the airport, 00:33:00.560 --> 00:33:02.720 we were immediately price per charge 00:33:03.040 --> 00:33:04.760 by local authorities. 00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:08.840 We were tested upon arrival, 00:33:10.760 --> 00:33:13.040 then isolated and transported 00:33:13.360 --> 00:33:15.520 by bus to the hotel where we were supposed to go 00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.720 our first fortnight in quarantine. 00:33:19.040 --> 00:33:21.680 -The experts pass half of their visit 00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:23.920 without being able to leave the hotel. 00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.640 -It was shocking to be locked up in a hotel room, 00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:43.120 not being able to go out and receive nothing 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:49.480 apart from his food 3 times a day, but we adapt. 00:34:00.120 --> 00:34:02.920 -When the experts are allowed to go out, 00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:04.880 it is under good escort. 00:34:05.200 --> 00:34:08.760 A device that speaks volumes on the sensitive character 00:34:09.080 --> 00:34:10.200 of this investigation. 00:34:18.200 --> 00:34:20.720 -Authorized to enter the famous market, 00:34:21.040 --> 00:34:23.560 epicenter of the epidemic, the investigators 00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:28.280 look for the slightest clue but a year after its closure, 00:34:28.600 --> 00:34:31.000 what can they do hope to find? 00:34:34.240 --> 00:34:37.680 -It's a huge market, several thousand sellers 00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:39.400 have their stalls there. 00:34:43.120 --> 00:34:45.160 It was completely abandoned. 00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:47.240 There was still 00:34:47.560 --> 00:34:50.720 a lot of equipment, personal effects, equipment, 00:34:52.040 --> 00:34:53.680 fridges, shelves... 00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.320 -During the visit, Chinese officials 00:35:10.640 --> 00:35:12.520 persist and sign: there was not 00:35:12.840 --> 00:35:14.440 of illegal trade here. 00:35:15.080 --> 00:35:19.320 -The message that we had been made to pass, 00:35:19.640 --> 00:35:23.480 it's that there wasn't of live animals in the market. 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.960 In fact, cages showed that there had been animals, 00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:37.800 living mammals. 00:35:38.640 --> 00:35:42.720 Where are they? Where were they shot down, destroyed? 00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:44.800 We don't really know. 00:35:48.160 --> 00:35:50.200 It is clear that in terms of hygiene, 00:35:50.520 --> 00:35:52.560 the market was in such a state 00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:56.640 that it would not have been surprising to have a transmission 00:35:56.960 --> 00:36:00.800 either way, in such an environment. 00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:08.320 -Before leaving China, experts are allowed 00:36:08.640 --> 00:36:10.600 to go to the P4 laboratory. 00:36:11.120 --> 00:36:14.120 The visit resulted in to tough negotiations. 00:36:25.560 --> 00:36:27.840 -On the site, tension is rising. 00:36:30.720 --> 00:36:33.040 Agitation. 00:36:33.680 --> 00:36:36.200 P.Ben Embarek a ban on filming. 00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.720 WHO will not find anything compromising or suspicious, 00:36:46.040 --> 00:36:49.080 and for good reason: a French source 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.600 who worked at P4 from Wuhan in 2021 00:36:52.920 --> 00:36:55.840 and who does not wish to appear reveals to us 00:36:56.160 --> 00:36:58.880 than guinea pig animals have been deleted. 00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:42.320 Remarks in English. 00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.920 -For lack of having actually able to investigate, 00:37:46.240 --> 00:37:50.400 the mission returns in February 2021 a report with allure 00:37:50.720 --> 00:37:54.440 of political compromise rather than scientific truth. 00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:58.800 -It was indeed very difficult because at the beginning, everyone 00:37:59.120 --> 00:38:01.560 came with views very different. 00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:06.280 Some were very politicized so it required discussions 00:38:06.600 --> 00:38:10.360 very long to arrive precisely 00:38:10.680 --> 00:38:12.320 to this compromise. 00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:17.400 -WHO makes the choice of indecision. 00:38:17.720 --> 00:38:20.240 The laboratory trail is not eliminated 00:38:20.560 --> 00:38:22.360 but highly discredited. 00:38:47.520 --> 00:38:49.080 We forget a little 00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:51.800 that these organizations international 00:38:52.120 --> 00:38:55.080 are internal organizations, intergovernmental. 00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:57.640 We are not independent, neutral. 00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:04.000 -The WHO is caught in a pincer movement between its two main financiers: 00:39:04.320 --> 00:39:06.560 the United States and China. 00:39:07.080 --> 00:39:10.680 The two powers are giving each other up an information war 00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:13.720 where all the manipulations are allowed. 00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:26.960 From the beginning of the pandemic, Beijing launches hostilities. 00:39:45.560 --> 00:39:48.760 -The Chinese spokesperson don't hesitate to lean on 00:39:49.080 --> 00:39:51.520 on false evidence scientists. 00:40:13.560 --> 00:40:16.400 Zhao Lijan reports new research 00:40:16.720 --> 00:40:20.360 according to which Covid-19 would have escaped from a laboratory 00:40:20.680 --> 00:40:22.920 called Fort Detrick in the United States. 00:40:23.600 --> 00:40:27.240 It was reportedly imported to Wuhan by American soldiers 00:40:27.560 --> 00:40:29.560 at the time of the Military Games. 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:32.160 Military music. 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.480 Former researcher then analyst of French intelligence, 00:40:44.800 --> 00:40:47.040 Paul Charon is the best specialist 00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:50.280 to the world of operations of Chinese influence. 00:40:50.600 --> 00:40:52.960 He investigated for many months to go back up 00:40:53.280 --> 00:40:56.080 the thread of this campaign of disinformation. 00:40:57.120 --> 00:40:59.720 -Z.Lijian returns to published articles 00:41:00.040 --> 00:41:02.600 by a certain Larry Romanoff. 00:41:05.040 --> 00:41:07.880 It is presented as an American researcher 00:41:08.200 --> 00:41:11.400 world-renowned, leader in these fields. 00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:15.160 He teaches at Fudan University, 00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:17.800 the largest Chinese university. 00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:23.160 But when we look for a little more information, 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:24.720 we don't find any. 00:41:25.200 --> 00:41:27.800 Fudan University doesn't know him. 00:41:28.120 --> 00:41:30.520 One of the first traces that we found of him, 00:41:30.840 --> 00:41:33.600 it's a little bio written by Pravda. 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:37.920 The profile picture associated with this little bio 00:41:38.240 --> 00:41:40.160 is that of Ernest Hemingway. 00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:44.080 We finally found his trail. Actually, it's not 00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.400 an American citizen but a Canadian citizen. 00:41:47.720 --> 00:41:49.960 He had created a company in Canada 00:41:50.320 --> 00:41:53.640 who was importing of Cantonese music. 00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:59.320 We continued our research and we ended up finding, 00:41:59.640 --> 00:42:04.760 in a newspaper, the true face of L. Romanoff, 00:42:05.080 --> 00:42:08.080 which absolutely does not resemble to E. Hemingway. 00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:12.160 So it's absolutely not a researcher. 00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:16.640 He is a real propagandist for the benefit of China. 00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:23.000 -For P. Charon, this campaign disinformation is not without 00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.800 to recall another, launched by the Russians 00:42:26.120 --> 00:42:29.160 during the Cold War and named Infection. 00:42:29.480 --> 00:42:31.920 -It's a scenario completely copied 00:42:32.240 --> 00:42:36.800 on an operation which had been carried out 00:42:37.120 --> 00:42:40.080 by the Soviet services in 1983, by the KGB 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:42.280 More precisely, to make believe 00:42:42.600 --> 00:42:44.640 that the AIDS virus had been manufactured 00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:47.400 by the American army, especially 00:42:47.720 --> 00:42:49.560 by the Fort Detrick base. 00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:03.680 -This Operation Infection 2.0, It's to divert the population 00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:07.320 to another manager who would not be 00:43:07.640 --> 00:43:09.240 the Chinese government. 00:43:09.560 --> 00:43:11.920 It is not the Chinese authorities 00:43:12.240 --> 00:43:14.640 who have committed a fault but the United States 00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:17.560 who are responsible of having manufactured this virus 00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:19.920 and to have it broadcast in China. 00:43:26.040 --> 00:43:28.360 -State lies and bankruptcy 00:43:28.680 --> 00:43:31.960 international institutions pushed a group of Internet users 00:43:32.280 --> 00:43:34.520 to devote oneself in search of the truth. 00:43:34.840 --> 00:43:38.200 Science enthusiasts with diverse profiles. 00:43:38.520 --> 00:43:40.680 -Good morning. Thank you for being here. 00:43:41.520 --> 00:43:44.920 -There are about twenty of them spread across the world, 00:43:45.240 --> 00:43:47.280 united under the acronym Drastic. 00:43:53.240 --> 00:43:54.880 They are the 1st in 2020 00:43:55.200 --> 00:43:58.600 to question the dominant thesis of an origin 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:00.160 at the Wuhan market. 00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:03.800 *-In the media, it was the only explanation 00:44:04.160 --> 00:44:05.400 possible. 00:44:05.720 --> 00:44:08.800 The laboratory hypothesis was immediately considered 00:44:09.120 --> 00:44:13.240 as a conspiracy theory, hastily and without reason. 00:44:13.560 --> 00:44:16.960 *-We couldn't scientifically, on the basis 00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.560 available information at the time, 00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:22.720 to brush aside with the back of the hand the hypothesis of an accident 00:44:23.040 --> 00:44:24.360 of research. 00:44:24.680 --> 00:44:26.800 *-So we try just to investigate. 00:44:27.120 --> 00:44:29.200 When you have a suspect, you are looking for 00:44:29.520 --> 00:44:32.160 all possible information about him. 00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:34.480 That's how it started. 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:40.280 -Their main suspect I'm Zhengli, 00:44:40.600 --> 00:44:44.640 a Chinese scientist with an impressive pedigree. 00:44:45.560 --> 00:44:48.120 Trained in France, Shi works 00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:52.160 at the Institute of Virology from Wuhan for over 30 years. 00:44:54.160 --> 00:44:57.160 *-She was nicknamed Batwoman. She published 00:44:57.480 --> 00:45:00.360 more scientific articles on Sars-type viruses 00:45:00.680 --> 00:45:02.920 than anyone else in China. 00:45:03.240 --> 00:45:05.880 He was a star of virology. 00:45:07.240 --> 00:45:09.640 She was leading the research center 00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:13.240 on emerging viruses, the most prestigious in China. 00:45:13.560 --> 00:45:15.520 -In 2017, she achieves notoriety 00:45:15.840 --> 00:45:18.600 by discovering, in the south of China, bats 00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:20.520 at the origin of the 1st Sars. 00:45:38.440 --> 00:45:41.440 -For years, S.Zhengli and his team 00:45:41.760 --> 00:45:45.440 roam the Chinese jungle and bring back in their coolers 00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:48.600 more than 22,000 samples stored in Wuhan. 00:45:50.320 --> 00:45:52.560 Batwoman is inhabited by a mission: 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:55.600 save the world of a future pandemic. 00:46:09.600 --> 00:46:12.680 -To finance his research, S.Zhengli has partnered 00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:17.440 to an animated man of the same ambition: Peter Daszak, 00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:20.720 at the head of an American NGO 00:46:21.040 --> 00:46:24.400 named EcoHealth Alliance 00:46:24.720 --> 00:46:27.560 and endowed with tens of millions of dollars. 00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.360 This adventurer of science knows how to attract 00:46:30.680 --> 00:46:32.200 media favors. 00:46:34.840 --> 00:46:37.840 It is filmed here by American television 00:46:38.160 --> 00:46:40.800 during an expedition in Southeast Asia. 00:46:46.040 --> 00:46:48.280 *-P.Daszak was an epidemiologist 00:46:48.600 --> 00:46:52.000 originally from the United Kingdom, very interested in research 00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:53.680 on coronaviruses. 00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:57.560 He started working with the Institute of Virology 00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.120 from Wuhan and with S.Zhengli especially 00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:01.840 more than 15 years ago. 00:47:24.640 --> 00:47:27.080 -In hope to find vaccines, 00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.480 the intrepid virologist and the bat woman 00:47:30.800 --> 00:47:33.640 manipulate viruses taken from the field 00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:35.440 in the laboratory. 00:47:38.160 --> 00:47:41.560 In order to study them better, they mix pathogens 00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:45.480 between them to make them more dangerous, more contagious 00:47:45.800 --> 00:47:46.920 for humans. 00:47:47.320 --> 00:47:50.840 These experiments are called gains in function. 00:47:52.680 --> 00:47:55.120 *-Manipulate a virus in order to make it 00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:58.760 more transmissible to humans, capable of disrupting 00:47:59.080 --> 00:48:03.080 the human immune system or reduce efficiency 00:48:03.400 --> 00:48:05.120 of certain medications... 00:48:05.680 --> 00:48:08.480 All of this is examples of experiences 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:10.120 gain of function. 00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:14.080 These were the types of experiences conducted at the Institute of Virology 00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:15.880 in Wuhan. 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:30.440 -These dangerous experiments, a man had however 00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:32.680 managed to get them banned. 00:48:34.440 --> 00:48:37.240 At the head of a of the largest laboratories 00:48:37.560 --> 00:48:40.600 of microbiology in the United States Richard Ebright 00:48:40.920 --> 00:48:44.040 has been fighting for 20 years for the supervision of experiments 00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:47.080 gain of function and denounces the risks 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:50.240 that the world incurs those he treats 00:48:50.560 --> 00:48:51.960 of sorcerer's apprentices. 00:48:52.280 --> 00:48:55.480 -This type of research poses an existential risk: 00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:59.000 if a new virus to increased pandemic risk 00:48:59.320 --> 00:49:02.160 escapes from a laboratory, accidentally 00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:04.720 or intentionally, then penetrates 00:49:05.040 --> 00:49:09.680 in the human population, this artificial virus can cause 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:11.400 massive damage. 00:49:16.240 --> 00:49:20.160 -A disaster scenario which has nothing to do with science fiction. 00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:23.400 Viruses can come out speakers, 00:49:23.720 --> 00:49:27.160 even the most secure, through the waste, 00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:29.480 wastewater or humans. 00:49:33.120 --> 00:49:37.240 -The most frequent path, It's a lab worker's infection. 00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:41.400 In the case of a virus with air transmission, 00:49:41.720 --> 00:49:44.760 like Sars-CoV-2, it is extremely easy 00:49:45.080 --> 00:49:47.400 for a lab technician to become contaminated. 00:49:52.080 --> 00:49:54.480 Then bring back the virus at home, 00:49:54.800 --> 00:49:56.520 passing by the metro... 00:49:58.720 --> 00:50:00.960 And other places of gathering. 00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:04.880 And thus to launch a pandemic. 00:50:13.280 --> 00:50:17.120 -In 2014, R.Ebright obtained of the Obama administration 00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:20.960 stopping manipulations dangerous to humanity. 00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:26.840 Despite everything, research high risk will continue 00:50:27.160 --> 00:50:28.480 in China. 00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:32.040 Which virus was manipulated in Wuhan in 2019 00:50:32.360 --> 00:50:34.800 when did covid appear? 00:50:37.560 --> 00:50:39.320 Question in English. 00:50:39.640 --> 00:50:42.440 The answer should have been be easy to obtain, 00:50:42.760 --> 00:50:45.680 as P. Daszak explained in a show 00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:48.400 Chinese scientist a year before the pandemic. 00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:10.320 -S.Zhengli indeed maintained the largest database 00:51:10.640 --> 00:51:13.960 bat virus in China, or even in the world. 00:51:14.280 --> 00:51:17.400 But like Drastic's investigation will demonstrate it, 00:51:17.720 --> 00:51:20.520 transparency ends a few weeks 00:51:20.840 --> 00:51:22.440 before the start of covid. 00:51:26.200 --> 00:51:29.240 *-While the database was accessible 00:51:29.560 --> 00:51:32.520 from all over the world from the United States, 00:51:32.840 --> 00:51:35.440 Europe, Brazil, she suddenly 00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:39.480 been disconnected from the internet on the morning of September 12, 2019. 00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:48.200 This is very unusual not to share data 00:51:48.520 --> 00:51:51.280 on bat viruses during a pandemic 00:51:51.600 --> 00:51:53.520 from a virus of bats. 00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:55.240 -I investigated it. 00:51:55.560 --> 00:51:57.760 It contained a gigantic volume 00:51:58.080 --> 00:52:01.400 of information, 5 TB of macro-genome. 00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:06.680 Vanished... 00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:10.800 -Did Batwoman search? to conceal evidence? 00:52:11.120 --> 00:52:13.760 S.Zhengli explains that its database 00:52:14.080 --> 00:52:16.920 was a victim of a cyberattack at the time. 00:52:18.240 --> 00:52:21.280 *-Data has not been reshared since, 00:52:21.600 --> 00:52:23.320 even years later. 00:52:23.720 --> 00:52:25.560 This is really very suspicious. 00:52:26.240 --> 00:52:30.160 -Here, instead of saving the world, S. Zhengli had pushed him 00:52:30.480 --> 00:52:32.520 to his loss? 00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:40.960 On social media, the virologist denies it 00:52:41.280 --> 00:52:42.600 vigorously. 00:53:05.600 --> 00:53:08.600 -There were more lies about covid 00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:13.240 than on any other subject, but I am a scientist, 00:53:13.560 --> 00:53:16.720 I work with evidence, and we did not find 00:53:17.040 --> 00:53:19.320 no proof showing that he would be 00:53:19.640 --> 00:53:21.160 from a laboratory. 00:53:30.680 --> 00:53:33.600 -Evidence, Washington claims to have some. 00:53:42.520 --> 00:53:45.520 -In a press release, they reveal these elements 00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:48.160 who support the theory of a leak 00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:49.720 laboratory. 00:54:10.800 --> 00:54:13.600 -David Asher, biological weapons expert, 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.600 led the investigation from the US State Department 00:54:16.920 --> 00:54:18.440 on the origin of covid. 00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:22.840 -We had access to very sensitive information 00:54:23.160 --> 00:54:25.600 intelligence about employees 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:27.280 from the laboratory. 00:54:27.600 --> 00:54:30.400 Several of them were hospitalized. 00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:33.880 Biological elements that we observed 00:54:34.200 --> 00:54:36.200 worried us a lot. 00:54:36.520 --> 00:54:39.920 They were in agreement with symptoms of covid. 00:54:43.480 --> 00:54:46.920 -Yes, but there are a lot of people who fall ill 00:54:47.240 --> 00:54:49.080 of the flu in autumn. 00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:51.800 This is a heavy accusation. 00:54:52.120 --> 00:54:54.440 It can't be a coincidence? 00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:57.600 -Non, impossible. Because it was about 00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.240 of laboratory technicians who worked on coronaviruses. 00:55:01.560 --> 00:55:03.880 They were researchers publicly linked 00:55:04.200 --> 00:55:06.640 to experiences gain of function, 00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.000 to coronavirus creations. 00:55:10.120 --> 00:55:13.320 So the probability that it is a coincidence 00:55:13.640 --> 00:55:15.880 is at a level of 0.1%. 00:55:19.200 --> 00:55:23.240 -Despite our multiple requests, The State Department refused 00:55:23.560 --> 00:55:27.000 to share the evidence with us of these hospitalizations. 00:55:27.320 --> 00:55:30.320 These documents would be classified as top secret. 00:55:34.640 --> 00:55:37.680 -Information which I worked on 00:55:38.000 --> 00:55:41.640 will not be declassified before 30 years old, 25 years old from 00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:43.280 from now on. 00:55:44.240 --> 00:55:46.760 When they will be, you will be shocked. 00:55:47.080 --> 00:55:49.880 But until then, I won't tell you more 00:55:50.200 --> 00:55:52.840 on what happened really happened in Wuhan 00:55:53.160 --> 00:55:55.680 because it's a lot, much more serious 00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:57.440 than what you know. 00:56:00.200 --> 00:56:03.640 -The names of 3 researchers who would have fallen ill 00:56:03.960 --> 00:56:07.080 nevertheless came out in the American press. 00:56:08.200 --> 00:56:11.000 They are part The style of Shi Zhengli. 00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:14.960 One of them, his right arm, conducted the experiments 00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:16.600 gain of function. 00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.800 At the time of startup of the pandemic in 2019, 00:56:23.120 --> 00:56:25.560 this team would have manipulated viruses 00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:28.000 among the closest to covid. 00:56:29.600 --> 00:56:32.400 In response, Shi Zhengli claims to have tested 00:56:32.720 --> 00:56:35.320 all staff and that no laboratory technician 00:56:35.640 --> 00:56:36.840 was not contaminated. 00:56:41.240 --> 00:56:44.280 In this war of unverifiable information, 00:56:44.600 --> 00:56:45.840 Who to believe? 00:56:46.680 --> 00:56:48.920 A discovery will cause trouble, 00:56:49.240 --> 00:56:52.080 that of a document reporting a project 00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.800 of secret research, a project very similar 00:56:56.120 --> 00:57:00.000 to the creation of Covid-19, the Defuse project. 00:57:13.200 --> 00:57:17.040 -I made the decision very quickly that if this investigation 00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:20.160 was to be my last, I was okay with that 00:57:20.480 --> 00:57:22.760 because it's too important. 00:57:26.720 --> 00:57:29.840 -Emily Kopp est an investigative journalist. 00:57:30.160 --> 00:57:33.400 She works for an NGO known to attack 00:57:33.720 --> 00:57:35.440 to lobbies or to Monsanto. 00:57:35.760 --> 00:57:39.080 Investigators who, in the name of the right to information, 00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:43.600 demand total transparency to the American administration. 00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:48.800 Emily attacks the link between P.Daszak 00:57:49.120 --> 00:57:52.320 and the Ministry of Health American who finances 00:57:52.640 --> 00:57:53.640 his research. 00:57:53.960 --> 00:57:57.400 She requests access to the entire of their exchanges. 00:57:58.320 --> 00:58:01.240 -As soon as I started to ask questions, 00:58:01.560 --> 00:58:04.280 I was immediately sidelined. 00:58:04.600 --> 00:58:07.840 I was called crazy, of conspiracy theorist, 00:58:08.160 --> 00:58:09.880 of a two-bit journalist. 00:58:10.200 --> 00:58:13.600 It's quite destabilizing. to work on a subject 00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:17.240 also controversial, a subject that the two governments 00:58:17.560 --> 00:58:20.680 the most powerful in the world try to suffocate. 00:58:21.600 --> 00:58:24.440 -Except Emily understands that she hit the nail on the head 00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:27.480 upon becoming aware of a received document 00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:31.720 by the Pentagon, a request financing dating from 2018, 00:58:32.040 --> 00:58:34.360 written by P.Daszak et Shi Zhengli. 00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:39.200 In this project called Defuse, the team exhibits 00:58:39.520 --> 00:58:42.720 future manipulations that they wish to do 00:58:43.040 --> 00:58:46.360 and which resemble a kind covid recipe. 00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:51.800 -The goal of the Defuse project was to find Sars 2.0, 00:58:52.120 --> 00:58:54.120 that is, the next Sars. 00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:56.680 Virologists who were part 00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:00.800 of this project worked on a genetic peculiarity 00:59:01.120 --> 00:59:03.640 who interests the world of virology, 00:59:03.960 --> 00:59:06.800 a characteristic that they wanted to insert 00:59:07.120 --> 00:59:09.520 in viruses naturally occurring 00:59:09.840 --> 00:59:13.760 among bats to see if it could make them 00:59:14.080 --> 00:59:17.600 more infectious to humans or human cells. 00:59:31.200 --> 00:59:34.200 -Virologists will insert in a coronavirus 00:59:34.520 --> 00:59:36.760 of bats what no virus 00:59:37.080 --> 00:59:40.400 of the Sars family does not possess in its natural state. 00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:46.560 An entry key in human lungs. 00:59:48.920 --> 00:59:51.920 Their creation will be passed on by air 00:59:52.240 --> 00:59:53.880 and will therefore be unstoppable. 00:59:54.840 --> 00:59:58.440 The similarity with Covid-19 hits the journalist. 01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:04.480 -The following year the Defuse proposal, 01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:07.240 the Sars-CoV-2, a new coronavirus, 01:00:07.560 --> 01:00:09.800 emerges from Wuhan. 01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:14.600 He owns this unique pandemic capacity, 01:00:14.920 --> 01:00:17.560 this peculiarity that these scientists 01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:21.720 who were looking for Sars 2.0 proposed to insert 01:00:22.040 --> 01:00:23.560 in new viruses. 01:00:26.160 --> 01:00:29.000 -This proposal is literally the plan 01:00:29.320 --> 01:00:32.240 to build a virus which has the properties 01:00:32.560 --> 01:00:33.840 of Sars-CoV-2. 01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:39.800 -By pushing the investigation, E.Kopp discovers 01:00:40.120 --> 01:00:43.960 the internal exchanges which led to the creation of Defuse. 01:00:46.400 --> 01:00:49.240 -By obtaining the draft of the proposal, 01:00:49.560 --> 01:00:52.960 we discovered comments in the margin. 01:00:55.880 --> 01:00:58.400 -They reveal the little attention paid 01:00:58.720 --> 01:01:02.520 by P.Daszak to security of these dangerous experiments. 01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:05.680 He imagined making these pandemic viruses 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:10.040 not in a laboratory to maximum security level 4 01:01:10.360 --> 01:01:12.080 but at level 2. 01:01:22.960 --> 01:01:26.440 -It's much faster and much less expensive 01:01:26.760 --> 01:01:30.000 to conduct research at security level 2. 01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:33.720 They went from level 4, the one where these searches 01:01:34.040 --> 01:01:37.480 should have been carried out, to 3 then to 2, or to the same 01:01:37.800 --> 01:01:41.760 security level than that of a dentist's office. 01:01:45.720 --> 01:01:48.160 These are proofs circumstantial. 01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:51.800 These are not documents or videos proving 01:01:52.120 --> 01:01:54.360 that someone built what virus. 01:01:54.680 --> 01:01:57.680 This is not a sample of this specific virus 01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:01.000 within their laboratory but he's the guy 01:02:01.320 --> 01:02:05.320 of circumstantial evidence which, in the United States and elsewhere, 01:02:05.640 --> 01:02:08.240 result in convictions criminal. 01:02:08.560 --> 01:02:12.000 If it was in a trial before a criminal court, 01:02:12.320 --> 01:02:14.240 the verdict would be "guilty". 01:02:16.920 --> 01:02:20.640 -They still aren't evidence, if not the fact 01:02:20.960 --> 01:02:23.280 that R. Ebright is a huge asshole. 01:02:23.600 --> 01:02:26.400 Because he is not interested to the evidence. 01:02:26.720 --> 01:02:30.120 What interests him, is that we agree with him and, 01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:34.480 for this, it targets people who would support, I quote, 01:02:34.800 --> 01:02:36.800 "dangerous experiments." 01:02:37.120 --> 01:02:39.440 P.Daszak did not create and Sars-CoV-2. 01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:42.280 The virus does not come from a laboratory. 01:02:42.600 --> 01:02:45.920 These are my colleagues and I find that very shocking 01:02:46.240 --> 01:02:49.760 to say that anyone is responsible for the death 01:02:50.080 --> 01:02:53.480 of 20 million people without having proof. 01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:57.320 -For months, we searched 01:02:57.640 --> 01:03:01.080 to convince P. Daszak to grant us an interview. 01:03:01.400 --> 01:03:03.000 He eventually declined. 01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:06.640 The scientist denounces political manipulation: 01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:10.680 covid recovery by the American far right. 01:03:29.120 --> 01:03:31.120 -Are we being manipulated? 01:03:32.600 --> 01:03:36.600 Speaking of the Defuse project, let's serve ourselves a political agenda 01:03:36.920 --> 01:03:38.320 who would escape us? 01:03:40.040 --> 01:03:43.320 Officially, This project was not funded. 01:03:44.760 --> 01:03:47.160 The Pentagon rejected the proposal, 01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:48.920 deemed too dangerous. 01:03:53.640 --> 01:03:56.240 Became the object of all suspicions, 01:03:56.560 --> 01:04:00.400 P. Daszak found himself in the heart of a commission of inquiry 01:04:00.720 --> 01:04:03.560 on covid conducted by the US Congress. 01:04:05.440 --> 01:04:07.200 -Ah, here you are! 01:04:07.680 --> 01:04:10.200 -How are you doing? -Very well, thank you. 01:04:10.520 --> 01:04:13.040 -They are responsible, the Republican deputy 01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:17.280 Brad Wenstrup, is preparing to return his report after 2 years 01:04:17.600 --> 01:04:19.240 of a titanic investigation. 01:04:21.080 --> 01:04:24.400 -It's a lot of work because we didn't stop 01:04:24.720 --> 01:04:28.240 to discover new things and we needed 01:04:28.560 --> 01:04:30.400 to audition more people. 01:04:30.720 --> 01:04:33.920 We could have continued like this for 2 years. 01:04:37.080 --> 01:04:39.880 -The United States have multiplied the investigations, 01:04:40.200 --> 01:04:43.640 commissions and declassifications of documents secrets 01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:47.080 to shed light on the origins of covid. 01:04:49.240 --> 01:04:52.160 The work of B. Wenstrup have highlighted 01:04:52.480 --> 01:04:55.480 lack of control on the activities carried out 01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:58.400 in Wuhan by P.Daszak, yet financed 01:04:58.720 --> 01:05:00.040 by public money. 01:05:04.880 --> 01:05:08.600 -These people depend taxpayers' money, 01:05:08.920 --> 01:05:11.440 third-party financing, d'institutions 01:05:11.760 --> 01:05:13.400 to carry out their work. 01:05:16.920 --> 01:05:19.360 You can't spend this money 01:05:19.680 --> 01:05:21.280 without accountability. 01:05:22.480 --> 01:05:25.680 The fact that we have led this type of research 01:05:26.000 --> 01:05:29.040 with an opponent, dangerous research, 01:05:29.360 --> 01:05:31.000 This poses a problem for me. 01:05:34.760 --> 01:05:37.960 It's very risky. There may be accidents. 01:05:40.680 --> 01:05:43.280 -4 months earlier, B.Wenstrup auditions 01:05:43.600 --> 01:05:48.040 the president of EcoHealth Alliance, from whom he demands explanations 01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:49.560 on its activities. 01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:50.360 -In January 2025, the American administration 01:06:50.680 --> 01:06:53.000 puts an end to to millions of dollars 01:06:53.320 --> 01:06:56.520 that she was pouring to EcoHealth Alliance and P.Daszak, 01:06:56.840 --> 01:06:58.680 its president, is dismissed. 01:07:00.080 --> 01:07:03.400 The commission concludes than a laboratory accident 01:07:03.720 --> 01:07:07.760 leading to covid is the explanation most likely, joining 01:07:08.080 --> 01:07:10.000 the position of the FBI, the CIA 01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:13.440 but also that German secret services. 01:07:21.320 --> 01:07:24.760 Shi Zhengli, elle, has not reappeared outside China 01:07:25.080 --> 01:07:28.880 since the pandemic and has not expressed publicly. 01:07:29.920 --> 01:07:32.720 For years, we asked for it. 01:07:33.040 --> 01:07:36.480 Last December, the coronavirus star organizes 01:07:36.800 --> 01:07:40.320 an international congress of virology in Japan. 01:07:41.440 --> 01:07:43.280 We're going there. 01:07:47.120 --> 01:07:50.560 Among the participants are not that virologists 01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:52.920 who defend the animal thesis. 01:07:53.280 --> 01:07:56.120 Here, no question from a laboratory leak 01:07:56.440 --> 01:07:57.840 at the origin of covid. 01:07:58.560 --> 01:08:01.160 It's credibility but also the future 01:08:01.480 --> 01:08:03.720 of their discipline which is at stake. 01:08:04.040 --> 01:08:07.240 -We were able to identify 3 potential species: 01:08:07.560 --> 01:08:11.960 humans, raccoon dogs and white-throated badgers. 01:08:16.200 --> 01:08:18.800 -Only one participant breaks the consensus. 01:08:19.120 --> 01:08:21.400 He blames Shi Zhengli's team. 01:08:23.320 --> 01:08:25.840 -Could you Explain your study to me? 01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:30.840 -So they were manipulating genetically the virus, 01:08:31.160 --> 01:08:33.880 cultivated it, made it develop 01:08:34.200 --> 01:08:36.800 in human cells or monkeys. 01:08:37.120 --> 01:08:40.120 Basically, they were doing experiments on it. 01:08:43.120 --> 01:08:46.320 -So you suggest a lab leak? 01:08:46.640 --> 01:08:47.720 -Yes. 01:08:49.280 --> 01:08:51.880 -I read all your bullshit, Jonathan, 01:08:52.200 --> 01:08:55.800 and all that shit, It's a tissue of errors. 01:08:57.000 --> 01:09:00.760 It suddenly became a pandemic because Shi Zhengli 01:09:01.080 --> 01:09:02.800 would have done something. 01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:07.280 You accuse my colleagues of having murdered 01:09:07.600 --> 01:09:09.800 people through recklessness. 01:09:10.120 --> 01:09:12.360 You insult our entire profession. 01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:16.520 And of course, you will continue to spread you in the media 01:09:16.840 --> 01:09:18.480 to spit on us. 01:09:18.800 --> 01:09:21.040 -Take classes of phylogenetics 01:09:21.360 --> 01:09:22.760 and come back to see us. 01:09:23.080 --> 01:09:25.880 -Jonathan, I'm fucking done with you! 01:09:26.200 --> 01:09:27.200 You're tiring me out. 01:09:30.840 --> 01:09:33.080 -In 5 years, the question of origins 01:09:33.400 --> 01:09:35.800 fractured the scientific community 01:09:36.120 --> 01:09:38.120 and the world as a whole. 01:09:38.440 --> 01:09:41.880 An insurmountable wall, even for the researcher 01:09:42.200 --> 01:09:45.640 the most famous on the subject, visibly imprisoned 01:09:45.960 --> 01:09:47.240 of his country. 01:09:49.960 --> 01:09:53.000 -Shi Zhengli, the coordinator, comes from Wuhan. 01:09:53.320 --> 01:09:56.720 She couldn't come due to a visa problem. 01:09:58.520 --> 01:10:00.560 -Really? But you told me 01:10:00.880 --> 01:10:03.600 that she would come. -She tried to come 01:10:03.920 --> 01:10:06.160 but she didn't get her visa. 01:10:06.480 --> 01:10:09.000 -Japan did not allow it future? 01:10:09.320 --> 01:10:12.920 -No, it's the opposite: China did not allow it... 01:10:19.960 --> 01:10:22.600 -Batwoman will only make a video appearance 01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:25.560 pre-recorded in which, again, 01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:29.120 she claims her innocence and the misunderstanding that surrounds 01:10:29.440 --> 01:10:31.640 the Wuhan laboratory. 01:10:34.280 --> 01:10:37.400 -Unfortunately, I can't. to be among you. 01:10:42.960 --> 01:10:46.960 Recently we sequenced all our samples 01:10:47.280 --> 01:10:50.440 of bats containing coronaviruses 01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:54.240 and we did not find no new sequence 01:10:54.560 --> 01:10:57.720 closer to Sars-CoV-1 or Sars-CoV-2. 01:11:14.480 --> 01:11:18.120 -I want us to find the origin of this pandemic, 01:11:18.440 --> 01:11:19.760 whatever it is. 01:11:20.720 --> 01:11:24.160 I think we have to to millions of people 01:11:24.480 --> 01:11:27.120 who are dead, to millions of families 01:11:27.440 --> 01:11:31.440 who mourn a loved one, to people who have lost their jobs 01:11:31.760 --> 01:11:34.160 or missed key moments of their life. 01:11:38.440 --> 01:11:41.040 I spent 3 years of my life on this subject. 01:11:41.360 --> 01:11:45.280 We still haven't found it the definitive answer but, 01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:48.040 whatever happens, this huge scandal 01:11:48.360 --> 01:11:51.120 will have been worth telling. 01:11:56.600 --> 01:12:01.600 france.tv access