Jaws @ 50: The Definitive Inside Story

1 00:00:01,668 --> 00:00:03,428 [Steven Spielberg] I’m at Wilshire Boulevard. 2 00:00:03,545 --> 00:00:05,339 And I just came across a theater that has 3 00:00:05,422 --> 00:00:07,090 a very apropos sign. 4 00:00:07,466 --> 00:00:08,967 If you can read it, the sign says, 5 00:00:09,092 --> 00:00:10,886 "Robert Shaw in Jaws. 6 00:00:11,053 --> 00:00:14,389 Also, Take the Money and Run." 7 00:00:15,432 --> 00:00:17,392 That’s pretty funny, wouldn’t you say? 8 00:00:18,060 --> 00:00:19,537 [reporter] Well, there are all sorts of reasons for 9 00:00:19,561 --> 00:00:22,022 people going in but the people coming out, 10 00:00:22,105 --> 00:00:23,774 they were ecstatic. 11 00:00:24,816 --> 00:00:26,401 -Smoking loge is sold out. 12 00:00:26,693 --> 00:00:29,571 Seats downstairs in the first seven rows only. 13 00:00:29,905 --> 00:00:31,591 -I was in New York at the time and I went with 14 00:00:31,615 --> 00:00:32,699 two friends of mine, 15 00:00:32,783 --> 00:00:35,244 Janet Maslin and Albert Brooks. 16 00:00:36,203 --> 00:00:37,829 -The three of us were in the car, 17 00:00:38,413 --> 00:00:42,084 going over to the Rivoli to see if there might be a line. 18 00:00:42,251 --> 00:00:45,963 [reporter] The ticket holders line went on and on. 19 00:00:46,171 --> 00:00:47,798 [Janet Maslin] It became this spectacle. 20 00:00:47,881 --> 00:00:48,881 -I kept thinking, 21 00:00:48,924 --> 00:00:50,568 who are the lucky people that made this movie? 22 00:00:50,592 --> 00:00:51,635 [laughs] 23 00:00:52,010 --> 00:00:54,054 -This shark will swallow you whole. 24 00:00:54,137 --> 00:00:55,555 - Was it good? - Very tasty. 25 00:00:55,639 --> 00:00:56,682 -Bloody as hell. 26 00:00:56,765 --> 00:00:58,368 -All these people got eaten up, you know, they just... 27 00:00:58,392 --> 00:00:59,434 [makes chewing sound] 28 00:00:59,559 --> 00:01:01,770 -The best I’ve seen in my life. Best movie. 29 00:01:01,853 --> 00:01:03,438 -50 years, we’ve come so far. 30 00:01:03,522 --> 00:01:07,276 We’re still talking about Jaws and the effect and the value of 31 00:01:07,359 --> 00:01:09,444 what that movie said and still says. 32 00:01:09,820 --> 00:01:12,406 -I’ll never forget walking into the theater and 33 00:01:12,489 --> 00:01:14,908 all the lobby cards were on the wall. 34 00:01:14,992 --> 00:01:18,328 And I thought, ah, that shark is huge. 35 00:01:19,204 --> 00:01:22,332 -Part of the film’s charm today is almost a nostalgia 36 00:01:22,416 --> 00:01:25,544 factor of remembering what it was like to see it then. 37 00:01:25,627 --> 00:01:26,712 [underwater scream] 38 00:01:26,795 --> 00:01:29,673 -It was sort of life-changing at nine years old. 39 00:01:29,756 --> 00:01:31,556 I don’t remember having an experience that was 40 00:01:31,633 --> 00:01:33,635 that visceral and that thrilling. 41 00:01:35,262 --> 00:01:38,640 -The whole theater reacted like a musical instrument. 42 00:01:39,141 --> 00:01:40,350 [painful groan] 43 00:01:41,643 --> 00:01:42,728 [gunshot] 44 00:01:42,811 --> 00:01:44,371 -I read the book first so I sort of knew 45 00:01:44,438 --> 00:01:45,439 what I was going to see. 46 00:01:45,689 --> 00:01:47,816 [reporter] Peter Benchley wrote a book called Jaws. 47 00:01:47,941 --> 00:01:49,401 A film was made from the book. 48 00:01:49,484 --> 00:01:51,570 It has already made more money than any 49 00:01:51,653 --> 00:01:52,738 motion picture in history. 50 00:01:52,821 --> 00:01:53,821 [laughs] 51 00:01:53,864 --> 00:01:55,449 -It was the first blockbuster. 52 00:01:55,532 --> 00:01:56,908 [panic screaming] 53 00:01:58,827 --> 00:02:01,830 -I’ve seen Jaws in a theater 31 times. 54 00:02:03,915 --> 00:02:09,212 I was 12 and this started me thinking about 55 00:02:09,338 --> 00:02:11,048 a career in movies. 56 00:02:11,131 --> 00:02:12,799 - Is this your first time? - Ninth time. 57 00:02:12,966 --> 00:02:14,217 - Your how any? - Ninth. 58 00:02:14,301 --> 00:02:16,637 -It’s the film I’ve seen the most and I could still 59 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,639 watch it if it’s on anytime. 60 00:02:18,764 --> 00:02:19,806 - Who are you? - Matt Hooper. 61 00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:21,642 I’m from the Oceanographic Institute. 62 00:02:21,767 --> 00:02:24,102 -I wanted to be Matt Hooper. 63 00:02:24,186 --> 00:02:25,771 I wanted to be a shark scientist. 64 00:02:26,021 --> 00:02:27,272 -That’s a twenty-footer. 65 00:02:27,522 --> 00:02:30,150 -Twenty-five. Three tons of him. 66 00:02:30,359 --> 00:02:32,527 -Jaws has been an inspiration. 67 00:02:32,653 --> 00:02:35,697 And there is a completely different attitude now about 68 00:02:35,781 --> 00:02:37,449 sharks and the ocean. 69 00:02:37,616 --> 00:02:40,619 In 50 years, it’s been used in so many different ways. 70 00:02:40,994 --> 00:02:44,498 -It was a time when movies were at the pinnacle of 71 00:02:44,581 --> 00:02:46,041 the cultural conversation. 72 00:02:46,375 --> 00:02:47,668 -I love Jaws. 73 00:02:47,793 --> 00:02:50,295 I really did because he didn’t eat up no black people. 74 00:02:50,796 --> 00:02:53,965 -You said that there are very few perfect movies. 75 00:02:54,049 --> 00:02:55,676 -I think Jaws fits into that. 76 00:02:55,759 --> 00:02:57,403 -Is that movie going to keep you out of the water? 77 00:02:57,427 --> 00:02:59,096 -It’ll keep me out for a while. 78 00:02:59,513 --> 00:03:00,740 -I definitely won’t be going in now. 79 00:03:00,764 --> 00:03:01,848 [interviewer] Ever again? 80 00:03:01,932 --> 00:03:02,933 -Never 81 00:03:03,016 --> 00:03:05,394 -I was one of those people who, in a bath, 82 00:03:05,477 --> 00:03:08,689 would have a hard time not picturing a shark underneath me. 83 00:03:09,064 --> 00:03:11,733 [Narrator] It is as if God created the devil and 84 00:03:11,942 --> 00:03:14,069 gave him Jaws. 85 00:03:14,569 --> 00:03:16,780 See it before you go swimming. 86 00:03:17,656 --> 00:03:21,076 [Steven Spielberg] For me, the story of Jaws is the fact 87 00:03:21,243 --> 00:03:24,871 that a movie that I thought would really end my career is 88 00:03:24,955 --> 00:03:26,331 the film that began it. 89 00:03:28,667 --> 00:03:32,504 [♪ theme music playing] 90 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:40,074 Watch Online Movies and Series for FREE www.osdb.link/lm 91 00:03:41,721 --> 00:03:44,975 [Laurent Bouzereau] Steven, 50 years since Jaws. 92 00:03:45,142 --> 00:03:47,769 When you hear that, what do you think? 93 00:03:48,145 --> 00:03:51,106 - When I hear 50 years? - Roll sound. 94 00:03:51,231 --> 00:03:54,860 [Steven Spielberg] I think of home because the theme of home 95 00:03:54,943 --> 00:03:58,321 is so consistent with the story of Jaws. 96 00:03:59,739 --> 00:04:01,825 It’s about getting home. 97 00:04:01,908 --> 00:04:04,703 ♪ Show me the way to go home ♪ 98 00:04:04,786 --> 00:04:06,788 [Steven Spielberg] About returning home. 99 00:04:07,122 --> 00:04:08,748 -Can we go home now? 100 00:04:08,832 --> 00:04:10,500 [Steven Spielberg] And already being home. 101 00:04:10,584 --> 00:04:12,502 -You want to take him home? 102 00:04:12,627 --> 00:04:16,256 - Back to New York? - No, home here. 103 00:04:16,465 --> 00:04:19,217 [Steven Spielberg] So, when I look back at Jaws today at 104 00:04:19,301 --> 00:04:21,928 those moments of difficulty. 105 00:04:22,137 --> 00:04:23,805 -Should we give you a movement like that? 106 00:04:23,889 --> 00:04:25,724 [Steven Spielberg] The film wound up 100 days 107 00:04:25,807 --> 00:04:30,520 behind schedule... The shark was not working. 108 00:04:30,729 --> 00:04:31,646 Whoa, cut, cut. 109 00:04:31,730 --> 00:04:34,566 And I was terrified I was going to be fired. 110 00:04:35,776 --> 00:04:37,611 All I thought about was going home. 111 00:04:39,613 --> 00:04:43,033 -Is there anything that you’ve never said about Jaws? 112 00:04:46,203 --> 00:04:47,746 [Steven Spielberg] Let’s find out. 113 00:04:47,996 --> 00:04:49,915 -Steven, how old are you? ¿Cuántos años tienes? 114 00:04:50,165 --> 00:04:51,666 - Twenty-seven. - Veintisiete. 115 00:04:51,833 --> 00:04:52,918 -Twenty-seven. 116 00:04:53,001 --> 00:04:54,312 -How long have you been in the motion picture industry? 117 00:04:54,336 --> 00:04:55,587 ¿Cuánto tiempo... 118 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:58,632 -Oh, I’ve been professionally making movies since I was 21. 119 00:04:59,925 --> 00:05:02,302 -I have always had an incredible belief in Steven’s 120 00:05:02,552 --> 00:05:06,681 ability to do material that sometimes others questioned. 121 00:05:07,015 --> 00:05:09,726 There may have been occasions when I had a belief in Steven’s 122 00:05:09,810 --> 00:05:12,687 ability to make material that exceeded Steven’s conviction 123 00:05:12,771 --> 00:05:13,855 about the material. 124 00:05:13,939 --> 00:05:16,525 And I never had any doubt in my mind that Steven would 125 00:05:16,608 --> 00:05:18,318 do a great job. 126 00:05:19,736 --> 00:05:22,489 -Steve used to hang around the film department at USC. 127 00:05:22,823 --> 00:05:24,533 And so that's where I met him. 128 00:05:24,991 --> 00:05:27,035 He was always coming over to see if he could find a 129 00:05:27,118 --> 00:05:29,371 cameraman or somebody who could help him with 130 00:05:29,454 --> 00:05:30,539 his student films. 131 00:05:31,289 --> 00:05:34,417 So, when Steve did Duel and it was like a 132 00:05:34,501 --> 00:05:37,587 feature film for television, I said, wow, this is fantastic. 133 00:05:42,175 --> 00:05:44,761 [Guillermo Del Toro] Duel opened in Mexico as a feature. 134 00:05:45,095 --> 00:05:47,681 Then I remember seeing it in a drive-in. 135 00:05:47,973 --> 00:05:50,016 And people clapped with their horns. 136 00:05:50,100 --> 00:05:51,100 [laughs] 137 00:05:51,142 --> 00:05:54,479 -I met Steven for the first time when he brought 138 00:05:54,563 --> 00:05:58,191 Sugarland Express to USC film school. 139 00:05:58,316 --> 00:06:00,402 -I want my baby back. 140 00:06:01,862 --> 00:06:03,947 Now are you going to help me or not? 141 00:06:04,739 --> 00:06:07,659 [Robert Zemeckis] I couldn’t believe that this really 142 00:06:07,742 --> 00:06:10,871 young filmmaker made a movie on that scale. 143 00:06:12,163 --> 00:06:13,999 He became instantly my hero. 144 00:06:15,792 --> 00:06:19,629 -I held filmmakers and directors off as people that 145 00:06:19,713 --> 00:06:21,172 existed in another world. 146 00:06:21,339 --> 00:06:23,842 And I remember feeling like Spielberg was a guy who was 147 00:06:23,925 --> 00:06:26,386 kind of from my side of the world. 148 00:06:26,595 --> 00:06:28,847 And that was the beginning of me feeling like, 149 00:06:28,930 --> 00:06:30,891 maybe I can do something like this, too. 150 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,061 -He had made his bones as a director long before 151 00:06:35,145 --> 00:06:36,145 he did Jaws. 152 00:06:36,187 --> 00:06:38,523 I think we all felt that this was somebody who 153 00:06:38,607 --> 00:06:39,774 was going places. 154 00:06:39,858 --> 00:06:43,612 But not until Jaws, was there any idea of how big 155 00:06:43,695 --> 00:06:44,946 this could get. 156 00:06:45,030 --> 00:06:46,781 -I didn’t know what I wanted to do next. 157 00:06:47,490 --> 00:06:51,786 I had been wanting to do a UFO movie not yet called 158 00:06:51,870 --> 00:06:53,246 Close Encounters of the Third Kind. 159 00:06:53,413 --> 00:06:55,498 But that was sort of all I had in my mind. 160 00:06:56,124 --> 00:06:57,709 And I was also in postproduction 161 00:06:57,792 --> 00:06:59,419 on Sugarland Express. 162 00:06:59,753 --> 00:07:01,480 I had gone into Richard Zanuck and his partner, 163 00:07:01,504 --> 00:07:03,632 David Brown’s office, many, many times, 164 00:07:03,965 --> 00:07:08,553 when I saw a stack of papers in the outer office and 165 00:07:08,637 --> 00:07:10,180 it was galleys. 166 00:07:10,263 --> 00:07:13,725 I looked at the top sheet and it said Jaws, 167 00:07:13,933 --> 00:07:15,226 by Peter Benchley. 168 00:07:15,393 --> 00:07:18,146 And I had no idea what that meant, Jaws. 169 00:07:18,313 --> 00:07:20,523 I mean, was it the history of dentistry? 170 00:07:21,983 --> 00:07:24,611 I read it and I was enthralled. 171 00:07:25,862 --> 00:07:27,572 And if I read Peter Benchley’s 172 00:07:27,656 --> 00:07:29,741 Jaws for the first time right now, 173 00:07:29,824 --> 00:07:32,160 I would have the same rush of excitement that I had 174 00:07:32,243 --> 00:07:33,995 when I first read the galleys. 175 00:07:34,287 --> 00:07:37,499 Because in a way, Jaws was a sequel to Duel. 176 00:07:38,375 --> 00:07:43,630 Duel was this murderous Leviathan on the highway trying 177 00:07:43,797 --> 00:07:46,966 to kill this traveling salesman in a little car. 178 00:07:47,342 --> 00:07:52,514 And Jaws is the story of this Leviathan of the sea that 179 00:07:52,722 --> 00:07:57,268 is rending this seaside resort into bankruptcy unless 180 00:07:57,352 --> 00:07:59,646 they hire somebody to kill the threat. 181 00:08:02,190 --> 00:08:04,150 -When I wrote a novel called Jaws, 182 00:08:04,234 --> 00:08:06,111 I was faced with a fascinating challenge, 183 00:08:06,403 --> 00:08:09,197 how to describe the instincts of an ancient animal that 184 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,283 threatens modern man with the most horrible of deaths. 185 00:08:12,575 --> 00:08:15,662 -Most people when they hear about Jaws and they realize 186 00:08:15,745 --> 00:08:17,747 what a culture-changing event that was, 187 00:08:17,831 --> 00:08:20,834 they want to know how did my dad come up with the idea. 188 00:08:21,334 --> 00:08:24,295 What I’ve always heard from him was growing up as 189 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:26,756 a New York City boy, born and raised in New York, 190 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,552 he also spent the summers in Nantucket fishing with his dad. 191 00:08:30,885 --> 00:08:33,555 [Peter Benchley] I grew up on a neighboring island, Nantucket, 192 00:08:33,888 --> 00:08:35,724 where I first encountered sharks. 193 00:08:36,266 --> 00:08:38,560 We used to fish for swordfish but they were rare, 194 00:08:38,893 --> 00:08:40,729 and we caught sharks instead. 195 00:08:41,688 --> 00:08:44,816 -Not only did he see a lot of sharks when he was fishing with 196 00:08:44,899 --> 00:08:48,236 his dad but he also knew what it was like to 197 00:08:48,319 --> 00:08:49,612 live on an island. 198 00:08:50,530 --> 00:08:54,034 -Our father explained what it means to grow up in a community 199 00:08:54,117 --> 00:08:55,952 like Amity or Nantucket. 200 00:08:56,786 --> 00:08:58,580 And he talked about islanders. 201 00:08:58,913 --> 00:09:01,541 And by islander, I don’t mean a year-rounder. 202 00:09:02,083 --> 00:09:03,168 To be an islander, 203 00:09:03,251 --> 00:09:05,062 you have to have been born here and nothing short of 204 00:09:05,086 --> 00:09:07,255 reincarnation can change your status. 205 00:09:07,547 --> 00:09:09,090 -When do I get to become an islander? 206 00:09:09,424 --> 00:09:11,259 -Ellen, never. Never. 207 00:09:11,593 --> 00:09:12,820 [Peter Benchley] Before writing Jaws, 208 00:09:12,844 --> 00:09:15,138 I’d had very little experience in the water with sharks. 209 00:09:15,221 --> 00:09:16,973 I knew a lot about them academically. 210 00:09:17,057 --> 00:09:18,767 I’d studied them since I was a child. 211 00:09:18,975 --> 00:09:21,375 But I really had no experience with sharks at all underwater. 212 00:09:21,728 --> 00:09:23,605 And then Blue Water, White Death came out. 213 00:09:23,730 --> 00:09:26,232 - Oh, he’s got to be 12. - Oh, yeah, at least 12. 214 00:09:26,399 --> 00:09:27,942 Look at him now. Ooh. 215 00:09:28,026 --> 00:09:29,194 -Oh. 216 00:09:29,277 --> 00:09:32,697 -I first started diving in the early 50s and then a little bit 217 00:09:32,781 --> 00:09:35,867 later on, I got a 16 millimeter movie camera and 218 00:09:35,950 --> 00:09:38,828 was shooting film for television and people 219 00:09:38,912 --> 00:09:40,622 wanted to see sharks. 220 00:09:41,581 --> 00:09:45,126 -It was in about 1965 or ‘67 where we first started to work 221 00:09:45,210 --> 00:09:46,628 with great white sharks. 222 00:09:47,462 --> 00:09:49,422 Nobody else in the world had ever done it before. 223 00:09:49,589 --> 00:09:51,674 Hey, look at him. Sitting on top of the cage. 224 00:09:52,050 --> 00:09:54,260 Eventually, Peter Gimbel wanted to make a film and 225 00:09:54,344 --> 00:09:56,888 he employed us to work on it. 226 00:09:57,722 --> 00:09:58,973 You couldn’t believe. 227 00:09:59,057 --> 00:10:00,683 It was fantastic. 228 00:10:00,850 --> 00:10:03,228 Peter Benchley saw Blue Water, White Death 229 00:10:03,311 --> 00:10:05,855 and that was one of the reasons that he got 230 00:10:05,939 --> 00:10:08,108 the idea for writing Jaws. 231 00:10:09,651 --> 00:10:12,445 -Peter also had seen Frank Mundus, 232 00:10:12,737 --> 00:10:16,658 who caught a huge 4,500-pound, 233 00:10:16,741 --> 00:10:18,993 18-foot shark off of Long Island. 234 00:10:19,327 --> 00:10:21,371 So, Peter, with his imagination, 235 00:10:21,621 --> 00:10:23,957 put all of that together and thought, 236 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,752 what would it be like if one of those sharks just randomly 237 00:10:27,836 --> 00:10:30,004 decided to stay in one place. 238 00:10:31,464 --> 00:10:33,299 -Peter Benchley researched the science. 239 00:10:33,383 --> 00:10:34,384 He knew these animals. 240 00:10:34,467 --> 00:10:36,010 He understood their behavior. 241 00:10:36,094 --> 00:10:38,930 But if you read the book, the animal is not a villain. 242 00:10:39,139 --> 00:10:41,391 It is doing what it does. 243 00:10:41,558 --> 00:10:44,894 And he created characters who could represent both, 244 00:10:44,978 --> 00:10:47,021 a hardened shark fisherman like Quint. 245 00:10:47,105 --> 00:10:49,125 [Peter Benchley] I wrote the character of Quint as a 246 00:10:49,149 --> 00:10:51,192 man who begins with great contempt for sharks and 247 00:10:51,276 --> 00:10:53,194 is finally obsessed with them, 248 00:10:53,528 --> 00:10:55,405 driven to kill this particular one. 249 00:10:55,738 --> 00:10:58,741 [Brian Skerry] And he created a PhD scientist like Hooper 250 00:10:58,825 --> 00:11:01,119 who understands this is just an animal. 251 00:11:01,369 --> 00:11:03,371 That doesn’t make it good or bad. 252 00:11:03,454 --> 00:11:05,331 It just is. It’s part of nature. 253 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,185 [Nat Benchley] Peter filled in all these other stories about 254 00:11:08,209 --> 00:11:10,712 Brody and his wife and the affair with Hooper and all this 255 00:11:10,795 --> 00:11:13,173 stuff with the Mafia because that added texture and 256 00:11:13,256 --> 00:11:15,133 depth to the story. 257 00:11:16,342 --> 00:11:17,736 [Wendy Benchley] Really one of the most 258 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:18,928 humorous things though, 259 00:11:19,012 --> 00:11:20,722 about the book was finding the title. 260 00:11:24,309 --> 00:11:25,977 [Nat Benchley] There are several pages 261 00:11:26,060 --> 00:11:27,854 of suggested titles. 262 00:11:28,021 --> 00:11:29,957 And Peter and Wendy and our parents were struggling 263 00:11:29,981 --> 00:11:31,024 over what to call it. 264 00:11:31,107 --> 00:11:35,028 -Oh, we had pretentious ones like "Leviathan Rising." 265 00:11:35,153 --> 00:11:38,156 And then we had ones about the terror of the deep. 266 00:11:39,324 --> 00:11:42,160 And Peter’s father said I know what we should call it, 267 00:11:42,243 --> 00:11:44,621 what’s that noshing on my leg? 268 00:11:45,121 --> 00:11:46,122 [laughs] 269 00:11:48,458 --> 00:11:50,960 - And this went on for months. - None of them quite work. 270 00:11:51,544 --> 00:11:53,755 [Nat Benchley] The day the book was to go to press, 271 00:11:54,172 --> 00:11:55,924 Tom Congdon from Doubleday said, 272 00:11:56,007 --> 00:11:57,359 you know I hate to bother you about this, 273 00:11:57,383 --> 00:11:58,885 but we kind of need a title. 274 00:11:59,093 --> 00:12:00,863 Peter said, yeah, we've been worrying about that. 275 00:12:00,887 --> 00:12:03,223 And the only thing that comes to mind that has pleased 276 00:12:03,306 --> 00:12:05,433 everybody is the word, Jaws. 277 00:12:07,143 --> 00:12:10,063 Congdon said, "Okay. What's it mean?" 278 00:12:10,772 --> 00:12:12,357 He said, "I don't know but it's short." 279 00:12:17,570 --> 00:12:21,074 [Wendy Benchley] The cover of Jaws was really difficult. 280 00:12:21,157 --> 00:12:24,077 -The dust jackets for the books evolved. 281 00:12:24,535 --> 00:12:28,289 The first one was Amity, like an idyllic island in between 282 00:12:28,373 --> 00:12:29,791 the shark jaws. 283 00:12:31,209 --> 00:12:32,794 Then they scrapped that one. 284 00:12:32,877 --> 00:12:36,130 And then they did a version of the shark underneath her. 285 00:12:37,173 --> 00:12:39,175 And the shark wasn’t very scary. 286 00:12:39,384 --> 00:12:40,927 It was a little too phallic-looking. 287 00:12:41,010 --> 00:12:43,721 -You know, what you want to say, a penis with teeth, right. 288 00:12:43,805 --> 00:12:45,115 That’s exactly what it looked like. 289 00:12:45,139 --> 00:12:46,516 [laughs] 290 00:12:47,141 --> 00:12:49,727 [Greg Nicotero] That’s when Roger Kastel came in and 291 00:12:49,811 --> 00:12:52,772 created that painting for the paperback. 292 00:12:53,648 --> 00:12:56,317 And then Universal used the same painting, 293 00:12:56,693 --> 00:12:59,779 which is probably one of the perfect movie posters. 294 00:13:00,655 --> 00:13:03,491 [Wendy Benchley] Jaws was rocketing up the bestseller 295 00:13:03,574 --> 00:13:05,451 list in 1974. 296 00:13:06,911 --> 00:13:08,788 And then when the paperback came out, 297 00:13:08,871 --> 00:13:10,873 it was a multi-million bestseller. 298 00:13:15,128 --> 00:13:17,328 [Nat Benchley] Peter just wanted to get a novel written. 299 00:13:17,672 --> 00:13:20,008 And when his agent came and said the movie people are 300 00:13:20,091 --> 00:13:22,844 interested in optioning it, he said, I don't care. 301 00:13:23,052 --> 00:13:24,178 Sell them the option. 302 00:13:24,721 --> 00:13:26,991 [Wendy Benchley] It was Helen Gurley Brown who was the editor 303 00:13:27,015 --> 00:13:30,059 of Cosmopolitan Magazine who gave it to her husband, 304 00:13:30,310 --> 00:13:32,520 David Brown, a producer. 305 00:13:32,603 --> 00:13:34,897 And he and Richard Zanuck bought it and the 306 00:13:34,981 --> 00:13:36,399 rest is history. 307 00:13:36,858 --> 00:13:38,858 -Just by reading the book, the last, I think it was 308 00:13:38,901 --> 00:13:41,237 110 pages of the novel, the hunt for the shark, 309 00:13:41,529 --> 00:13:43,281 was so enthralling and so suspenseful, 310 00:13:43,364 --> 00:13:45,199 you know it frightened me so much. 311 00:13:45,283 --> 00:13:48,119 I was so angry at being frightened that I wanted to 312 00:13:48,202 --> 00:13:49,078 frighten back. 313 00:13:49,162 --> 00:13:51,164 I’ll make this movie and scare them all back. 314 00:13:52,290 --> 00:13:53,291 When I read it, 315 00:13:53,374 --> 00:13:55,293 I went to Dick and David’s office on Monday and 316 00:13:55,376 --> 00:13:56,961 I said, do you have a director? 317 00:13:57,045 --> 00:13:58,463 Because I would love to direct this. 318 00:13:58,629 --> 00:14:00,149 And they said, oh, my goodness, there’s already 319 00:14:00,173 --> 00:14:01,883 a director assigned. 320 00:14:02,091 --> 00:14:04,011 [Wendy Benchley] Peter was part of the process of 321 00:14:04,052 --> 00:14:06,512 interviewing various people to be the director. 322 00:14:07,013 --> 00:14:10,433 And I remember that there was one director who called 323 00:14:10,516 --> 00:14:12,393 the shark a whale all the time. 324 00:14:12,727 --> 00:14:14,145 So, he was out. 325 00:14:15,980 --> 00:14:17,166 [Steven Spielberg] A week or so later, 326 00:14:17,190 --> 00:14:19,942 Dick and David called me and they said, it’s available, 327 00:14:20,026 --> 00:14:21,527 do you still want to do it. 328 00:14:21,611 --> 00:14:23,821 I was as hungry as the shark was hungry to tell the 329 00:14:23,905 --> 00:14:25,114 story of Jaws. 330 00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:27,540 And I didn’t know how it was going to be done, 331 00:14:27,575 --> 00:14:29,327 how it could be done. 332 00:14:29,410 --> 00:14:33,247 But my instincts told me that it needed authenticity so the 333 00:14:33,331 --> 00:14:35,041 shark wouldn’t get laughed at. 334 00:14:36,250 --> 00:14:38,479 When I made Duel, the studio tried to get me to do the whole 335 00:14:38,503 --> 00:14:40,922 thing on a process stage with screens out the windows 336 00:14:41,089 --> 00:14:42,423 of the car. 337 00:14:42,507 --> 00:14:44,967 And I basically said, I’d rather not make Duel if I have 338 00:14:45,051 --> 00:14:46,928 to go and do it all fake on a soundstage 339 00:14:47,470 --> 00:14:48,554 using rear projection. 340 00:14:48,638 --> 00:14:50,473 And I felt the same way about Jaws. 341 00:14:50,556 --> 00:14:53,851 I wanted to go to the natural environment so there was some 342 00:14:53,935 --> 00:14:55,478 kind of verisimilitude. 343 00:14:55,645 --> 00:14:57,897 So, it needed to be in the ocean, out to sea. 344 00:14:57,980 --> 00:15:00,441 And so, I knew somehow it had to be done on location. 345 00:15:02,276 --> 00:15:04,362 -You know as an audience member when something is 346 00:15:04,445 --> 00:15:06,239 real and when something is not. 347 00:15:06,322 --> 00:15:09,534 And that choice to shoot in open water, 348 00:15:09,617 --> 00:15:13,538 the audience wins because when you see these characters 349 00:15:13,996 --> 00:15:16,457 surrounded in complete isolation, 350 00:15:16,624 --> 00:15:18,918 the loneliness of them, we feel that. 351 00:15:19,001 --> 00:15:19,836 We’re scared. 352 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:21,546 -If you really think about Jaws, 353 00:15:21,629 --> 00:15:25,633 it really is an exercise in pushing the boundaries. 354 00:15:26,134 --> 00:15:29,387 Like, they could have made that movie on the back lot or 355 00:15:29,470 --> 00:15:31,472 in a tank and it would’ve been a very, 356 00:15:31,556 --> 00:15:33,099 very different movie. 357 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:35,143 But they were pushing the art form. 358 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,396 -At the same time as Jaws was made, 359 00:15:38,479 --> 00:15:42,692 you saw all this new crop of unbelievable talent coming in 360 00:15:42,775 --> 00:15:46,571 to Hollywood in the ‘70s that challenged every assumption of 361 00:15:46,654 --> 00:15:48,823 what was possible and challenged everything. 362 00:15:49,282 --> 00:15:51,117 -1974. 363 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:52,410 [laughter] 364 00:15:52,493 --> 00:15:54,555 [Steven Spielberg] In 1974, when I started making Jaws, 365 00:15:54,579 --> 00:15:58,583 my focus was trying to figure out how to adapt the novel. 366 00:15:58,791 --> 00:16:01,085 I had never experienced adapting a novel before, 367 00:16:01,169 --> 00:16:03,147 and Peter Benchley wrote the first three drafts of the 368 00:16:03,171 --> 00:16:05,548 screenplay, admitted finally, that a screenplay and a novel 369 00:16:05,631 --> 00:16:07,383 are two different kettles of fish. 370 00:16:08,009 --> 00:16:11,012 -That was a completely different kind of writing for him. 371 00:16:11,387 --> 00:16:14,265 So, he put a lot of effort into this screenplay and did it a 372 00:16:14,348 --> 00:16:15,558 couple different times. 373 00:16:16,100 --> 00:16:18,227 -And then various other writers came in. 374 00:16:18,311 --> 00:16:21,355 David Brown said, why not Howard Sackler, 375 00:16:21,856 --> 00:16:22,773 he's a great writer. 376 00:16:22,857 --> 00:16:24,734 He won a Pulitzer for The Great White Hope. 377 00:16:24,817 --> 00:16:25,610 I was thinking, 378 00:16:25,693 --> 00:16:28,070 Great White Hope, great white shark. 379 00:16:28,154 --> 00:16:29,655 That makes sense. 380 00:16:29,739 --> 00:16:31,449 He created the structure, 381 00:16:31,532 --> 00:16:33,743 and then after that for a comedy punch-up 382 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,328 I wanted to bring my friend, 383 00:16:35,411 --> 00:16:38,456 Carl Gottlieb along to just try to find some lightness and some 384 00:16:38,539 --> 00:16:40,708 humor between these three disparate characters. 385 00:16:40,958 --> 00:16:41,998 The mate. Where's the mate? 386 00:16:42,043 --> 00:16:43,103 -The mate is dead. We’ll have to tow the body. 387 00:16:43,127 --> 00:16:45,254 -Where’s the body? Why is the boat torn to pieces? 388 00:16:45,338 --> 00:16:46,565 Because it’s a great white shark. 389 00:16:46,589 --> 00:16:49,300 -The nice thing was I was able to write a nice part for myself. 390 00:16:49,467 --> 00:16:51,469 I play Meadows, the editor of the newspaper. 391 00:16:51,719 --> 00:16:52,738 I want to get on the state wire service, 392 00:16:52,762 --> 00:16:55,097 to see if Boston will pick it up and go national. 393 00:16:55,181 --> 00:16:57,451 Call Dave Axelrod in New York, tell him he owes me a favor, 394 00:16:57,475 --> 00:16:58,601 all right? 395 00:16:58,684 --> 00:17:02,313 And Steven sent me a script with a note on the cover saying, 396 00:17:02,396 --> 00:17:03,606 eviscerate it. 397 00:17:04,190 --> 00:17:06,350 [Steven Spielberg] We decided to lose the love interest 398 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,760 because it was in a movie that was a straight-line adventure 399 00:17:09,070 --> 00:17:12,406 film about the shark and the town and the, the, the hunt. 400 00:17:13,074 --> 00:17:16,744 The film became much more a story of Chief Brody, 401 00:17:17,620 --> 00:17:21,082 a kind of reluctant hero, in this case, 402 00:17:21,582 --> 00:17:24,418 tested by the elements, by nature itself. 403 00:17:24,752 --> 00:17:26,629 -This is a great white, Larry, a big one. 404 00:17:26,712 --> 00:17:28,398 And any shark expert in the world will tell you 405 00:17:28,422 --> 00:17:30,258 it’s a killer, it’s a man-eater. 406 00:17:31,384 --> 00:17:33,737 [James Cameron] The great white shark was not well understood by 407 00:17:33,761 --> 00:17:35,805 the public at large when the film first came out. 408 00:17:36,264 --> 00:17:39,475 And it became this kind of mythical beast. 409 00:17:39,559 --> 00:17:42,019 -What we are dealing with here is a perfect engine, 410 00:17:42,103 --> 00:17:44,272 uh, an eating machine. 411 00:17:45,022 --> 00:17:48,067 -I’ve never seen is anything as perfect as a great white shark. 412 00:17:48,442 --> 00:17:50,462 What really strikes you when you see a great white shark 413 00:17:50,486 --> 00:17:53,197 in person is not just how long they can be but how 414 00:17:53,281 --> 00:17:54,448 big around they are. 415 00:17:56,367 --> 00:17:59,078 -Great whites are one of the most epic predators 416 00:17:59,161 --> 00:18:00,955 that you’ll ever find in the wild. 417 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:03,165 They’re essentially governors in the way that 418 00:18:03,249 --> 00:18:06,043 they control the sizes of all the populations 419 00:18:06,127 --> 00:18:07,420 beneath them. 420 00:18:07,628 --> 00:18:09,468 -And what did you say the name of the shark is? 421 00:18:09,714 --> 00:18:11,090 -It’s a Carcharodon carcharias. 422 00:18:11,173 --> 00:18:12,592 It’s a great white. 423 00:18:13,467 --> 00:18:17,555 -The great white shark is a species that has been described 424 00:18:17,638 --> 00:18:20,558 all over the world in many different ways. 425 00:18:21,892 --> 00:18:26,856 From man-eater to white pointer to great white shark. 426 00:18:28,691 --> 00:18:32,403 -I remember seeing the shark in Jaws for the first time and 427 00:18:32,486 --> 00:18:35,823 being completely blown away at how realistic it looked, 428 00:18:36,115 --> 00:18:36,907 how large it was, 429 00:18:36,991 --> 00:18:40,161 how impressive and truly authentic to what 430 00:18:40,244 --> 00:18:41,787 white sharks actually look like. 431 00:18:43,414 --> 00:18:46,584 This animal still looks just as good as anything 432 00:18:46,667 --> 00:18:48,252 that’s coming out today, if not better, 433 00:18:48,336 --> 00:18:50,713 relying almost exclusively on practical effects. 434 00:18:54,759 --> 00:18:56,844 -So, Joe, tell me, where are we? 435 00:18:57,762 --> 00:18:59,805 -Well, this is what I call the art department. 436 00:19:01,515 --> 00:19:03,059 This is sort of my home base. 437 00:19:09,899 --> 00:19:13,861 These are the concept sketches that I did early on before we 438 00:19:14,028 --> 00:19:15,821 had a finished script. 439 00:19:16,906 --> 00:19:18,199 What happened was, 440 00:19:18,282 --> 00:19:20,451 David Brown called me and he said, Joe, 441 00:19:20,534 --> 00:19:21,744 we think Jaws, 442 00:19:21,827 --> 00:19:23,829 it might make a damn good movie if we could 443 00:19:23,913 --> 00:19:26,624 sort of illustrate the activity of the shark. 444 00:19:27,416 --> 00:19:31,295 So, he said, just give me a couple dozen illustrations 445 00:19:31,837 --> 00:19:33,714 of the shark activity. 446 00:19:33,881 --> 00:19:37,677 I pretty well did these as it’s described in the galley sheets. 447 00:19:39,345 --> 00:19:42,765 [Steven Spielberg] Joe Alves designed drawings of a shark 448 00:19:42,848 --> 00:19:45,248 that he could put up against the wall in a production office. 449 00:19:46,018 --> 00:19:48,479 He did an 18-foot-long shark. 450 00:19:48,562 --> 00:19:51,315 He did a 26-foot-long shark. 451 00:19:51,399 --> 00:19:53,275 He did a 32-foot-long shark. 452 00:19:54,610 --> 00:19:56,487 And these are full-size drawings. 453 00:19:56,570 --> 00:19:59,323 And we had to evaluate, which one do we commit to, 454 00:19:59,407 --> 00:20:00,491 which one do we build. 455 00:20:00,574 --> 00:20:03,452 And for me, the 18-foot shark was not that intimidating. 456 00:20:04,078 --> 00:20:07,707 But the 32-foot-long shark was not realistic. 457 00:20:08,708 --> 00:20:10,876 And it would have turned the genre of the film 458 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,753 into science fantasy. 459 00:20:13,379 --> 00:20:16,757 The 26-foot-long shark was just right, 460 00:20:16,841 --> 00:20:18,467 I thought, for Jaws. 461 00:20:19,218 --> 00:20:23,597 [Joe Alves] October 1st, 1973, Marshall Green had a meeting. 462 00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:27,810 He was the head of production at Universal and he said, okay, 463 00:20:27,893 --> 00:20:29,729 Joe, can you make the shark? 464 00:20:29,812 --> 00:20:31,897 I says, yeah, I certainly can try. 465 00:20:32,314 --> 00:20:34,734 He says okay, find somebody and make it off the lot. 466 00:20:35,109 --> 00:20:37,236 And somebody recommended Bob Mattey. 467 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:38,959 And I found Bob and I put a crew together. 468 00:20:39,572 --> 00:20:41,449 -Give me a genius shark-building team. 469 00:20:41,532 --> 00:20:43,367 - Cheers. - Bob and Whitey. 470 00:20:43,451 --> 00:20:44,577 -Yeah. 471 00:20:44,660 --> 00:20:45,846 [Steven Spielberg] Whitey doesn’t like to turn around and 472 00:20:45,870 --> 00:20:46,870 look in the camera. 473 00:20:46,912 --> 00:20:48,247 He’s a little camera-shy. 474 00:20:48,330 --> 00:20:51,834 -Right. Okay. Just for Steve, final pose here. 475 00:20:52,126 --> 00:20:53,377 One, one in a million. 476 00:20:53,461 --> 00:20:54,855 [Joe Alves] We got seven in the crew. 477 00:20:54,879 --> 00:20:56,464 I called them the "Magnificent Seven." 478 00:20:56,547 --> 00:20:57,774 [Steven Spielberg] Joe Alves, the... 479 00:20:57,798 --> 00:20:59,717 -Ah, yes. 480 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,635 And we started building the shark. 481 00:21:04,054 --> 00:21:06,891 -Bob Mattey was taken out of retirement to create the 482 00:21:06,974 --> 00:21:10,644 creature, the great white shark and its many incarnations. 483 00:21:11,312 --> 00:21:14,482 [Joe Alves] What we needed was a shark to go left to right 484 00:21:15,107 --> 00:21:17,443 and one to go right to left. 485 00:21:18,027 --> 00:21:20,279 And then one on a big crane. 486 00:21:21,697 --> 00:21:23,574 So, we had three sharks to build. 487 00:21:25,534 --> 00:21:28,579 [David Brown] A shed was set up in the San Fernando Valley. 488 00:21:28,746 --> 00:21:30,289 It was like making Apollo. 489 00:21:30,372 --> 00:21:32,500 It was like a new invention. 490 00:21:33,083 --> 00:21:35,461 [Greg Nicotero] Bob Mattey, he had the chops. 491 00:21:35,878 --> 00:21:37,421 And the fact that he had built all this 492 00:21:37,505 --> 00:21:40,007 other great stuff, like the 493 00:21:40,090 --> 00:21:42,676 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea giant squid. 494 00:21:43,344 --> 00:21:44,762 He knew how to build it. 495 00:21:44,845 --> 00:21:47,014 So yeah, in theory, it’ll work. 496 00:21:47,681 --> 00:21:49,767 [Steven Spielberg] I thought it’d be fun to nickname 497 00:21:49,850 --> 00:21:51,894 the shark after my attorney, Bruce Ramer. 498 00:21:52,019 --> 00:21:53,854 So, I started calling the shark Bruce. 499 00:21:54,104 --> 00:21:56,857 And then in the shark shed where Whitey and Bob Mattey, 500 00:21:56,941 --> 00:21:58,442 everybody else was working, 501 00:21:58,526 --> 00:22:00,069 they started calling the shark Bruce. 502 00:22:00,152 --> 00:22:02,780 And then everybody forgot why it was being called Bruce. 503 00:22:02,863 --> 00:22:04,406 It just was named Bruce. 504 00:22:04,907 --> 00:22:06,826 -The film happened to come out at a time when I 505 00:22:06,909 --> 00:22:10,621 was really teaching myself how visual effects and 506 00:22:10,704 --> 00:22:12,915 mechanical effects and makeup effects were done. 507 00:22:13,457 --> 00:22:15,417 And like Bruce, like the shark in Jaws, 508 00:22:15,501 --> 00:22:16,978 because I wanted a career in that business. 509 00:22:17,002 --> 00:22:18,671 And I just loved all that stuff. 510 00:22:19,630 --> 00:22:21,566 [Guillermo Del Toro] As a constructor of animatronics and 511 00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:24,677 puppets, to operate on that scale with basically 512 00:22:24,969 --> 00:22:27,555 hydraulic and incredibly powerful machinery, 513 00:22:28,889 --> 00:22:30,558 that is remarkable. 514 00:22:32,059 --> 00:22:34,103 [Joe Alves] Basically, I was doing a lot of research 515 00:22:34,395 --> 00:22:37,731 with sharks and talked to Ron and Valerie Taylor. 516 00:22:39,066 --> 00:22:39,984 [Steven Spielberg] Ron and Valerie Taylor, 517 00:22:40,067 --> 00:22:41,485 I knew well from the documentary, 518 00:22:41,569 --> 00:22:43,571 Blue Water, White Death. 519 00:22:43,654 --> 00:22:45,489 And I wanted them to bless our production. 520 00:22:45,573 --> 00:22:48,075 I also wanted them to be able to work on the film. 521 00:22:48,242 --> 00:22:49,368 And I said to them, 522 00:22:49,451 --> 00:22:51,596 was there any way we could get actual great white footage 523 00:22:51,620 --> 00:22:53,998 that I could intercut with the mechanical shark. 524 00:22:55,165 --> 00:22:56,667 And they said, absolutely. 525 00:22:56,750 --> 00:22:58,669 We’ll go to the Great Barrier Reef off of 526 00:22:58,752 --> 00:23:01,964 Australia and we’ll get the footage that you need. 527 00:23:02,256 --> 00:23:05,009 -He simply left it up to Valerie and I to get what we 528 00:23:05,092 --> 00:23:06,719 could according to the script. 529 00:23:07,177 --> 00:23:11,390 -He basically realized at that time that there would be the 530 00:23:11,473 --> 00:23:14,935 possibility that he would have to shoot around what we got 531 00:23:15,352 --> 00:23:18,647 because it’s a wild animal and they just don’t do 532 00:23:18,731 --> 00:23:20,482 what you want them to. 533 00:23:22,943 --> 00:23:25,130 [Joe Alves] Back on the lot, the studio said we’re going to 534 00:23:25,154 --> 00:23:27,656 start shooting this movie in the next month. 535 00:23:28,282 --> 00:23:30,409 And I’m saying, wait a minute, 536 00:23:30,492 --> 00:23:32,536 I have a year and a half to build the shark. 537 00:23:33,162 --> 00:23:34,413 No, you don’t. 538 00:23:34,496 --> 00:23:36,916 We’re going to start shooting because the book’s so popular, 539 00:23:36,999 --> 00:23:38,792 that’s all they care about is the money. 540 00:23:39,126 --> 00:23:41,128 They don’t have any idea what we’re doing, 541 00:23:41,211 --> 00:23:42,713 how complicated it was. 542 00:23:42,796 --> 00:23:46,091 No, so Steven got them to postpone it until May. 543 00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:48,778 [Steven Spielberg] I remember going out there with 544 00:23:48,802 --> 00:23:52,097 John Milius and George Lucas and John stuck his head 545 00:23:52,181 --> 00:23:55,017 in the shark and said, okay, close the jaws. 546 00:23:56,602 --> 00:23:58,562 And I was screaming, don’t close the jaws. 547 00:23:58,812 --> 00:24:00,773 John, get out of the shark. 548 00:24:01,023 --> 00:24:03,567 -A bunch of us went and visited Steven and he wanted 549 00:24:03,651 --> 00:24:05,569 to show us the construction of the shark 550 00:24:05,653 --> 00:24:07,571 which was impressive. 551 00:24:07,655 --> 00:24:08,656 So, I thought great, 552 00:24:08,739 --> 00:24:10,008 this is going to be a good movie. 553 00:24:10,032 --> 00:24:12,117 And it was obvious it was going to be a big hit. 554 00:24:12,201 --> 00:24:14,453 [Steven Spielberg] George looked at the shark and said, 555 00:24:14,536 --> 00:24:16,997 wow, this is going to be the most successful movie ever made. 556 00:24:17,498 --> 00:24:19,218 And I, of course looked at George like well, 557 00:24:19,249 --> 00:24:22,044 from your lips to, you know, but I didn’t believe that. 558 00:24:23,045 --> 00:24:25,714 -We never, until the last minute, 559 00:24:25,798 --> 00:24:30,260 had a script that was to everybody’s liking. 560 00:24:30,678 --> 00:24:35,557 And the studio wanted us to go ahead before some strike. 561 00:24:36,225 --> 00:24:38,811 And so, we were forced to go on the location, 562 00:24:38,894 --> 00:24:40,688 forced to start shooting. 563 00:24:40,771 --> 00:24:43,607 And he had some serious reservations whether we were 564 00:24:43,691 --> 00:24:44,984 doing the right thing. 565 00:24:46,568 --> 00:24:50,030 We did not go into this picture fully prepared. 566 00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:55,829 [James Cameron] In the first frames of the movie, 567 00:24:55,911 --> 00:24:57,246 you are a shark. 568 00:24:57,329 --> 00:24:58,914 And you’re just hunting. 569 00:24:59,081 --> 00:25:01,917 It really shows you what’s possible in cinema. 570 00:25:02,084 --> 00:25:04,878 And so, my favorite scene in the film is the opening. 571 00:25:08,257 --> 00:25:10,050 [George Lucas] The opening is sensational. 572 00:25:10,718 --> 00:25:13,178 Really sets you up like that. 573 00:25:14,346 --> 00:25:16,098 - Where we going? - Swimming. 574 00:25:17,057 --> 00:25:19,810 [Jordan Peele] The opening of a film is everything. 575 00:25:20,269 --> 00:25:22,146 If you don’t get that part right, 576 00:25:22,229 --> 00:25:23,814 the rest of it doesn’t matter. 577 00:25:24,231 --> 00:25:27,651 The opening of Jaws, it’s simple and it may be the most 578 00:25:27,735 --> 00:25:29,236 violent scene in the film. 579 00:25:29,862 --> 00:25:34,533 And at the same time, it is one that obscures the monster. 580 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:36,869 [heavy breathing] 581 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,840 [Steven Spielberg] In the original script that 582 00:25:42,916 --> 00:25:45,377 Peter Benchley did, we did show the shark. 583 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,964 But the shark was down getting repaired. 584 00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:53,010 And it was dawning on me that things were scarier without 585 00:25:53,093 --> 00:25:54,511 the shark than with the shark. 586 00:25:55,345 --> 00:25:56,430 [panic scream] 587 00:25:56,513 --> 00:25:59,141 -I always kind of relate my scene in Jaws to 588 00:25:59,224 --> 00:26:02,853 the scene in Psycho, the lady in the shower. 589 00:26:02,936 --> 00:26:06,273 Because it’s that kind of horrifying thing that comes 590 00:26:06,356 --> 00:26:07,983 out of nowhere. 591 00:26:08,067 --> 00:26:10,069 And I think a lot of what made the scene very, 592 00:26:10,152 --> 00:26:13,697 very scary was the fact that you knew what was down there, 593 00:26:13,947 --> 00:26:15,187 and you knew what was happening, 594 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,450 but you couldn’t see it. 595 00:26:17,701 --> 00:26:20,120 [Steven Spielberg] The one filmmaker that influenced me 596 00:26:20,204 --> 00:26:23,457 the most in the making of Jaws was Alfred Hitchcock. 597 00:26:24,124 --> 00:26:26,001 What Alfred Hitchcock could do with the power 598 00:26:26,085 --> 00:26:28,087 of suggestion I thought, 599 00:26:28,170 --> 00:26:31,298 if just a little bit of that could be sprinkled on my mojo, 600 00:26:31,548 --> 00:26:34,760 then maybe I could make Jaws with a real tip of my 601 00:26:34,843 --> 00:26:36,762 cap toward Hitch. 602 00:26:37,763 --> 00:26:40,265 [Jordan Peele] The whole question of Jaws is, 603 00:26:40,349 --> 00:26:41,892 how big is it. 604 00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:44,353 What does this fish really look like underneath? 605 00:26:44,812 --> 00:26:46,814 And throughout the film, 606 00:26:46,897 --> 00:26:49,149 he gives us a little bit more of a taste as we go. 607 00:26:51,652 --> 00:26:53,379 [Steven Spielberg] When we were shooting the scene, 608 00:26:53,403 --> 00:26:57,032 she had a harness on and so we had a line that would 609 00:26:57,116 --> 00:27:03,038 go to five people on one rope and five people on another rope. 610 00:27:04,206 --> 00:27:08,043 I wanted this effect, back and forth. 611 00:27:10,045 --> 00:27:12,756 And I thought it would be a lot scarier if we see the 612 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,843 force of how the shark is carrying her across the water. 613 00:27:16,593 --> 00:27:18,446 [Emily Blunt] I will never forget that opening sequence 614 00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:22,766 where she is dragged ruthlessly through the ocean and the 615 00:27:22,850 --> 00:27:24,768 different camera perspectives and how she’s 616 00:27:24,852 --> 00:27:26,270 being pulled away from us, 617 00:27:26,645 --> 00:27:29,231 powerless to this threat beneath the surface. 618 00:27:29,815 --> 00:27:33,986 -If they’re willing to do that, three minutes into the movie, 619 00:27:34,194 --> 00:27:36,989 what else are they willing to do? 620 00:27:37,739 --> 00:27:38,824 [screaming] 621 00:27:38,907 --> 00:27:43,120 -Oh, God help me! God, please help! 622 00:27:59,928 --> 00:28:02,389 [Peter Benchley] Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts, 623 00:28:02,723 --> 00:28:05,392 an island off the island seaboard, beautiful, 624 00:28:05,475 --> 00:28:08,353 picturesque and about to be disguised as the 625 00:28:08,437 --> 00:28:10,731 fictional town of Amity. 626 00:28:14,484 --> 00:28:16,504 [interviewer] Is it true that the art director is the one who 627 00:28:16,528 --> 00:28:17,654 chose Martha’s Vineyard? 628 00:28:17,738 --> 00:28:19,507 [Steven Spielberg] The art director came down and looked 629 00:28:19,531 --> 00:28:21,617 at the entire eastern seaboard. 630 00:28:22,576 --> 00:28:24,296 I don’t know why but I had heard a lot about 631 00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:28,123 Martha’s Vineyard as a small summer community that 632 00:28:28,206 --> 00:28:31,376 might suit this picture and I suggested he go to see it. 633 00:28:32,753 --> 00:28:37,758 [Joe Alves] I needed a bay with a 25-foot depth and a low tide. 634 00:28:38,425 --> 00:28:40,010 I had a whole map of New England, 635 00:28:40,761 --> 00:28:43,931 and I went through all these various little villages. 636 00:28:44,973 --> 00:28:47,059 And I see there's a boat to Martha's Vineyard. 637 00:28:47,768 --> 00:28:52,940 So, I went there January 17th and I found out the depth was 638 00:28:53,023 --> 00:28:57,819 only 25 feet, two-foot tide, and I thought oh, my God, 639 00:28:58,111 --> 00:28:59,947 this is going to be a success. 640 00:29:01,490 --> 00:29:04,201 -Martha's Vineyard is an island. 641 00:29:04,284 --> 00:29:07,955 It's a little spit of land off the coast of Massachusetts. 642 00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:13,043 It is a stunning piece of land and a summer resort. 643 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,106 [Emily Blunt] I’ve spent a lot of time in Martha’s Vineyard 644 00:29:17,130 --> 00:29:19,716 and all of the non -actors that he use, 645 00:29:20,008 --> 00:29:23,053 they really represent the spirit of this idyllic peaceful 646 00:29:23,136 --> 00:29:25,931 safe place that’s sort of Bohemian. 647 00:29:26,390 --> 00:29:28,159 And I think even if you go now, it feels like a 648 00:29:28,183 --> 00:29:30,185 ‘70s time capsule still. 649 00:29:30,352 --> 00:29:34,022 And I think all of that helps because it gives the 650 00:29:34,106 --> 00:29:35,857 world such authenticity. 651 00:29:36,358 --> 00:29:39,236 -Listen, Chief, be careful, will you? 652 00:29:39,653 --> 00:29:41,405 - In this town? Hey. - Hi, dad. 653 00:29:42,072 --> 00:29:44,992 -Martha’s Vineyard was a delightful place to shoot. 654 00:29:45,075 --> 00:29:47,244 I really enjoyed it. It was thrilling. 655 00:29:47,411 --> 00:29:50,080 I’d never been on a location before other than 656 00:29:50,163 --> 00:29:51,790 for television shoots. 657 00:29:51,999 --> 00:29:53,875 But never for a movie. 658 00:29:54,126 --> 00:29:56,169 And I was feeling so full of myself. 659 00:29:57,629 --> 00:30:00,090 -Martha’s Vineyard means so much to this movie, Jaws. 660 00:30:00,215 --> 00:30:02,467 If you think of it, there are only eight people that came 661 00:30:02,551 --> 00:30:04,094 from Hollywood to be in this movie. 662 00:30:04,219 --> 00:30:06,847 You have Roy Scheider, Richard Dreyfuss, Robert Shaw, 663 00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:09,558 Lorraine Gary, Murray Hamilton, Teddy Grossman, 664 00:30:09,766 --> 00:30:11,935 Susan Backlinie, and Carl Gottlieb. 665 00:30:12,352 --> 00:30:14,479 Everyone else you see in the movie are locals 666 00:30:14,646 --> 00:30:15,646 from Martha’s Vineyard. 667 00:30:15,856 --> 00:30:18,233 -We had a shark attack at South Beach this morning, Mayor. 668 00:30:18,358 --> 00:30:19,151 Fatal. 669 00:30:19,234 --> 00:30:20,545 I’ve got to batten down the beach. 670 00:30:20,569 --> 00:30:23,488 [Jeffrey Kramer] I read about the shooting of Jaws in 671 00:30:23,572 --> 00:30:25,490 the vineyard newspapers. 672 00:30:25,866 --> 00:30:28,452 So, I called my agent and he set up a meeting. 673 00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:31,204 And I flew to Boston and met Steven. 674 00:30:31,580 --> 00:30:35,375 He knew I was from the island and I think he wanted 675 00:30:35,500 --> 00:30:37,794 some real island feel. 676 00:30:37,919 --> 00:30:40,839 And listen, I was lucky to be in this. 677 00:30:41,173 --> 00:30:42,453 -You folks were born here, right? 678 00:30:42,507 --> 00:30:43,800 -Yeah, I’m in Islander. 679 00:30:43,884 --> 00:30:44,968 When we did Jaws, 680 00:30:45,052 --> 00:30:46,887 I’d turned 19 in January that year. 681 00:30:47,596 --> 00:30:50,182 They tried to put me in a pair of sort of bell-bottom 682 00:30:50,265 --> 00:30:52,476 blue jeans and what almost would’ve been the 683 00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,853 top of a union suit that was sort of 684 00:30:54,936 --> 00:30:56,021 tie-dyed and pink. 685 00:30:56,104 --> 00:30:59,107 And I was like, that’s not really what I’d wear. 686 00:30:59,191 --> 00:31:01,902 So, they said, okay, well, bring your own wardrobe. 687 00:31:01,985 --> 00:31:05,322 So, pair of khakis and, oxford cloth shirt, 688 00:31:05,405 --> 00:31:07,991 and I still have the sweater that I wore. 689 00:31:08,408 --> 00:31:10,368 - Wow, put it on like this. - There we go. 690 00:31:11,953 --> 00:31:12,829 -Wow. 691 00:31:12,913 --> 00:31:15,082 You know what the best news is, it still fits. 692 00:31:15,290 --> 00:31:17,250 -Yes, amazing, huh? 693 00:31:17,417 --> 00:31:19,228 [Steven Spielberg] Well, I had very good success casting 694 00:31:19,252 --> 00:31:21,254 Sugarland Express with a casting director 695 00:31:21,338 --> 00:31:22,839 named Shari Rhodes. 696 00:31:23,548 --> 00:31:26,134 And we had tremendous success with real people. 697 00:31:26,259 --> 00:31:28,095 -You ever do some time in prison, son? 698 00:31:28,261 --> 00:31:30,055 -So, I asked Shari if she would cast Jaws. 699 00:31:30,138 --> 00:31:32,265 And I said let’s get locals from Martha’s Vineyard to 700 00:31:32,349 --> 00:31:34,976 perform in this movie or even from Boston. 701 00:31:35,727 --> 00:31:37,604 [Steven Soderbergh] Shari Rhodes did an amazing 702 00:31:37,687 --> 00:31:41,233 job of casting people who looked and acted like they 703 00:31:41,316 --> 00:31:43,777 just walked in off the street. 704 00:31:44,027 --> 00:31:45,320 -And what kind of shark? 705 00:31:45,403 --> 00:31:48,281 - It’s a tiger shark. - A what? 706 00:31:48,365 --> 00:31:51,201 -She spent time there and got to know people. 707 00:31:51,576 --> 00:31:54,663 -I just put some suntan lotion on and I’m trying to 708 00:31:54,746 --> 00:31:56,081 absorb some of this sun. 709 00:31:56,164 --> 00:32:00,085 -Nobody’s going in. Please, get the water. 710 00:32:00,794 --> 00:32:03,255 [Jeffrey Kramer] I mean, all those people in that board 711 00:32:03,338 --> 00:32:06,091 meeting in the town hall, they’re real. 712 00:32:06,508 --> 00:32:09,594 -Is that $3,000 bounty on the shark in cash or check? 713 00:32:10,345 --> 00:32:11,972 [laughter] 714 00:32:12,055 --> 00:32:12,889 -I don’t think it’s funny. 715 00:32:12,973 --> 00:32:14,200 I don’t think that’s funny at all. 716 00:32:14,224 --> 00:32:18,311 -It gives the whole movie more of a documentary impromptu feel. 717 00:32:18,728 --> 00:32:19,563 -Hello. 718 00:32:19,646 --> 00:32:22,149 -Hello back, young feller, how are you? 719 00:32:23,024 --> 00:32:24,609 [interviewer] This is Craig Kingsbury, 720 00:32:24,693 --> 00:32:27,988 known by some folks on the island as the island character. 721 00:32:28,488 --> 00:32:30,198 [Craig Kingsbury] It’s like one big family. 722 00:32:30,574 --> 00:32:32,951 And you hear what’s going on in Edgartown. 723 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,954 A lot of it’s laughable and joking and fun and family 724 00:32:36,037 --> 00:32:37,414 fights and all that. 725 00:32:37,664 --> 00:32:38,748 But they all get out. 726 00:32:38,832 --> 00:32:40,476 [interviewer] What’s the serious business, though? 727 00:32:40,500 --> 00:32:42,460 -We don’t have anything too serious. 728 00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:45,081 [Steven Spielberg] Kingsbury made all his dialogue up. 729 00:32:45,505 --> 00:32:47,591 Every time he opens his mouth, that’s Craig talking. 730 00:32:47,757 --> 00:32:48,943 We didn’t write lines for him. 731 00:32:48,967 --> 00:32:52,304 -Wait till we get them surly bastards down in that rock pile, 732 00:32:52,387 --> 00:32:54,598 there’ll be some fun, they’ll wish their fathers had 733 00:32:54,681 --> 00:32:57,434 never met their mothers when they start taking their bottoms 734 00:32:57,517 --> 00:32:59,728 out and slamming into them rocks, boy. 735 00:33:00,020 --> 00:33:01,980 -Every character has a little bit of an arc, 736 00:33:02,063 --> 00:33:04,524 a little bit of a story so that when they enter the picture, 737 00:33:04,608 --> 00:33:06,526 you’re interested in them. 738 00:33:06,610 --> 00:33:09,029 And when they exit the picture, you miss them. 739 00:33:09,946 --> 00:33:12,115 [Steven Spielberg] I feel that Jaws is more of a people 740 00:33:12,199 --> 00:33:13,742 picture than a shark movie. 741 00:33:13,867 --> 00:33:15,410 Without those people, 742 00:33:15,493 --> 00:33:17,329 you wouldn’t give a hang about the shark. 743 00:33:22,125 --> 00:33:24,586 -We’re in one of our locations here on Martha’s Vineyard in 744 00:33:24,669 --> 00:33:26,004 the town of Oak Bluffs. 745 00:33:26,213 --> 00:33:28,965 And this is one of our four retail stores in town. 746 00:33:29,132 --> 00:33:31,134 And it’s one of the places where we keep the 747 00:33:31,218 --> 00:33:33,011 Jaws memory alive. 748 00:33:34,387 --> 00:33:35,680 I’m Todd Rebello. 749 00:33:35,764 --> 00:33:37,265 My brother played Michael Brody. 750 00:33:37,349 --> 00:33:38,558 His name was Chris Rebello. 751 00:33:38,642 --> 00:33:40,352 -Mom, I got cut. 752 00:33:40,435 --> 00:33:41,519 I got bit by a vampire. 753 00:33:41,603 --> 00:33:43,647 [Todd Rebello] I have one great memory, 754 00:33:43,730 --> 00:33:45,732 the day when he says, I got bit by a vampire. 755 00:33:45,815 --> 00:33:48,485 We were out on the front lawn and it was my brother and 756 00:33:48,568 --> 00:33:50,403 I and Steven. 757 00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:53,323 And he was just asking us question after question. 758 00:33:53,406 --> 00:33:55,617 He really did relate as somebody young. 759 00:33:56,034 --> 00:33:58,453 You know, he could’ve been your older brother in a sense. 760 00:33:59,079 --> 00:34:00,247 -Ponds are for old ladies. 761 00:34:00,330 --> 00:34:02,499 -I know it’s for the old ladies but just do it for the 762 00:34:02,582 --> 00:34:04,251 old man, huh? 763 00:34:04,417 --> 00:34:05,770 [Todd Rebello] My brother passed away at 37. 764 00:34:05,794 --> 00:34:07,712 It was fairly tragic, three kids. 765 00:34:07,796 --> 00:34:10,674 So, anything I can do to keep that memory alive and 766 00:34:10,757 --> 00:34:12,467 the memory of him, I try to help. 767 00:34:16,930 --> 00:34:19,557 -After a couple of days of being on the set 768 00:34:19,641 --> 00:34:21,309 with my children, 769 00:34:21,393 --> 00:34:25,397 I was asked to be in charge of taking care of the kids. 770 00:34:26,648 --> 00:34:29,526 Most of the time I was in the background and I had my movie 771 00:34:29,609 --> 00:34:31,027 camera with me. 772 00:34:31,111 --> 00:34:32,821 That was back in the Super 8 days. 773 00:34:35,865 --> 00:34:39,119 I was very happy to see all the local people being 774 00:34:39,202 --> 00:34:40,328 a part of this. 775 00:34:40,537 --> 00:34:42,706 And we would talk about it even years later. 776 00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:44,582 We still do as a matter of fact, 777 00:34:44,833 --> 00:34:46,126 with Jeff Voorhees, 778 00:34:46,209 --> 00:34:48,128 the little boy that gets eaten by the shark. 779 00:34:48,628 --> 00:34:51,214 -I’m going to get my raft and go back out on the water. 780 00:34:51,589 --> 00:34:52,841 -Let me see your fingers. 781 00:34:54,342 --> 00:34:56,261 Alex Kintner, they’re beginning to prune. 782 00:34:56,636 --> 00:34:58,555 -Just let me go out a little longer. 783 00:34:58,638 --> 00:35:00,348 -Just 10 more minutes. 784 00:35:00,473 --> 00:35:03,560 - Thanks. - They filmed that here in May. 785 00:35:04,185 --> 00:35:06,146 That’s when that scene I was in. 786 00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:08,648 And if you know the water up here in New England, 787 00:35:08,815 --> 00:35:10,609 Martha’s Vineyard, you know, 788 00:35:10,692 --> 00:35:12,569 I won’t swim here now until July. 789 00:35:12,652 --> 00:35:14,362 This water is freezing cold in May. 790 00:35:14,738 --> 00:35:16,299 So, people were like, were you afraid of the shark? 791 00:35:16,323 --> 00:35:17,717 No, I was afraid of freezing my 12-year-old 792 00:35:17,741 --> 00:35:19,367 ass off in that water. 793 00:35:22,329 --> 00:35:23,931 [Steven Soderbergh] I think the Kintner scene is 794 00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:27,334 a beautiful example of Spielberg’s gift. 795 00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:30,420 [J.J. Abrams] Every single choice he makes, 796 00:35:30,503 --> 00:35:34,215 it’s about the tension and the paranoia and that sense 797 00:35:34,299 --> 00:35:35,842 of you don’t know quite where to look. 798 00:35:36,217 --> 00:35:38,553 [Jordan Peele] The tension that’s built with the cinematic 799 00:35:38,637 --> 00:35:41,389 devices in the scene are so immersive, 800 00:35:41,890 --> 00:35:43,433 so seamless and flawless. 801 00:35:45,185 --> 00:35:47,145 [Steven Soderbergh] It’s got the wipes. 802 00:35:47,228 --> 00:35:49,147 It’s got the split diopter. 803 00:35:49,731 --> 00:35:51,167 [James Cameron] And then when it hits, 804 00:35:51,191 --> 00:35:54,027 the push-pull zoom that Hitchcock pioneered. 805 00:35:54,361 --> 00:35:58,698 -He just brings the audience along in the perfect pacing, 806 00:35:59,699 --> 00:36:01,159 and then it's delivered. 807 00:36:06,247 --> 00:36:09,250 [Steven Soderbergh] All of this is in aid of putting 808 00:36:09,334 --> 00:36:13,380 you inside of Brody’s experience of being on the 809 00:36:13,463 --> 00:36:17,258 beach that day when this terrible thing happens. 810 00:36:17,425 --> 00:36:19,511 - Get out of the water. - Get everybody out. 811 00:36:20,303 --> 00:36:21,513 Get out. 812 00:36:21,721 --> 00:36:23,890 -Well, in those days I wasn’t thinking about cinema. 813 00:36:23,973 --> 00:36:25,934 I was thinking about shots. 814 00:36:26,768 --> 00:36:28,895 When to go close and when to be wide, 815 00:36:29,062 --> 00:36:30,862 when to give the audience a sense of geography 816 00:36:30,939 --> 00:36:32,565 so they’re not lost. 817 00:36:32,816 --> 00:36:34,460 [Jeffrey Voorhees] At first, shooting the scene, 818 00:36:34,484 --> 00:36:36,152 they had a mannequin. 819 00:36:36,236 --> 00:36:39,406 They put it on a raft and a mechanical shark 820 00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:41,574 bites this little mannequin. 821 00:36:44,828 --> 00:36:47,580 And there was this big barrel right near the top of the water 822 00:36:47,872 --> 00:36:49,082 and it’s full of blood. 823 00:36:49,165 --> 00:36:52,252 He goes, you’re going to take your raft out to that barrel, 824 00:36:52,335 --> 00:36:54,504 and all of a sudden, all the blood starts shooting 825 00:36:54,587 --> 00:36:56,673 up like a rocket. 826 00:36:56,923 --> 00:36:58,067 And you see me go up and down. 827 00:36:58,091 --> 00:37:00,760 That’s two guys lifting me in and out of the water. 828 00:37:00,927 --> 00:37:02,637 Then pull you under and give you air. 829 00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:04,305 [gurgling] 830 00:37:04,764 --> 00:37:05,932 [Carol Fligor] Poor Jeff. 831 00:37:06,015 --> 00:37:08,268 He came up out of the water, you know, 832 00:37:08,351 --> 00:37:10,603 he got all that stuff out of his eyes. 833 00:37:10,770 --> 00:37:12,272 -Alex? 834 00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:15,092 [Carol Fligor] And then he did it again and it worked fine. 835 00:37:15,984 --> 00:37:17,068 -Alex? 836 00:37:20,864 --> 00:37:24,451 -These are rare events but the reality is, it does happen. 837 00:37:24,534 --> 00:37:27,328 -A shark is attracted to the exact kind of splashing and 838 00:37:27,412 --> 00:37:29,789 activity that occurs whenever human beings go in swimming. 839 00:37:29,873 --> 00:37:31,082 You cannot avoid it. 840 00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:33,001 -The sharks are not infesting the waters. 841 00:37:33,084 --> 00:37:34,711 The sharks live in the water, right. 842 00:37:34,794 --> 00:37:37,255 And we put ourselves into their environment. 843 00:37:37,338 --> 00:37:39,632 And so, we are taking an inherent risk any time we 844 00:37:39,716 --> 00:37:41,217 choose to go into the water. 845 00:37:41,301 --> 00:37:44,387 -The only way that a shark can taste something or can know 846 00:37:44,471 --> 00:37:46,598 what something is is sort of by biting it. 847 00:37:46,890 --> 00:37:49,326 -And they make a decision about whether that’s going to be what 848 00:37:49,350 --> 00:37:50,477 they’re going to eat or not. 849 00:37:50,643 --> 00:37:51,895 And in a lot of cases, 850 00:37:51,978 --> 00:37:53,938 they’ll just say no, that’s not right. 851 00:37:54,022 --> 00:37:54,856 And they’ll swim away. 852 00:37:55,023 --> 00:37:57,734 -There was a deadly shark attack on Cape Cod. 853 00:37:57,984 --> 00:38:00,361 It is the first fatal shark attack in 854 00:38:00,445 --> 00:38:03,615 Massachusetts since 1936. 855 00:38:03,948 --> 00:38:06,367 [Greg Skomal] When boogie boarder Arthur Medici, 856 00:38:06,451 --> 00:38:09,370 was killed by a great white shark off Cape Cod, 857 00:38:09,496 --> 00:38:11,414 where we do all of our research, 858 00:38:11,498 --> 00:38:13,958 it had a profound effect, personally. 859 00:38:14,042 --> 00:38:16,503 And subsequently, professionally. 860 00:38:16,586 --> 00:38:20,423 -It was the first fatality in over 80 years on the Cape and 861 00:38:20,673 --> 00:38:23,134 it impacted the whole community. 862 00:38:23,301 --> 00:38:25,762 -Are you going to close the beaches? 863 00:38:26,638 --> 00:38:27,972 -Yes, we are. 864 00:38:28,056 --> 00:38:29,766 [crowd groans] 865 00:38:29,849 --> 00:38:31,049 [Greg Skomal] Unlike the film, 866 00:38:31,100 --> 00:38:32,852 we weren’t trying to hide anything. 867 00:38:32,936 --> 00:38:36,439 And I will admit, there was one or two beach managers that 868 00:38:36,523 --> 00:38:38,107 didn’t want to talk about sharks. 869 00:38:38,358 --> 00:38:39,859 -It’s all psychological. 870 00:38:40,068 --> 00:38:44,197 You yell barracuda, everybody says, huh, what? 871 00:38:46,032 --> 00:38:50,453 You yell shark, we’ve got a panic on our hands on 872 00:38:50,537 --> 00:38:51,704 the 4th of July. 873 00:38:52,539 --> 00:38:54,916 -Jaws came out at a moment in history, 874 00:38:54,999 --> 00:38:59,337 certainly in the United States but worldwide as well where we 875 00:38:59,420 --> 00:39:02,298 were just emerging from civil unrest. 876 00:39:03,007 --> 00:39:08,596 That era, in the early 70s, spoke to these emotional 877 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,267 elements within humans about fear, about danger, 878 00:39:12,392 --> 00:39:16,187 about things that don’t have easy answers. 879 00:39:16,396 --> 00:39:18,731 -What was happening in America was the Vietnam War. 880 00:39:18,815 --> 00:39:19,899 And Watergate. 881 00:39:20,066 --> 00:39:23,570 -I shall resign the presidency effective at noon tomorrow. 882 00:39:23,987 --> 00:39:25,589 [Steven Spielberg] These were the turbulent times while we 883 00:39:25,613 --> 00:39:26,865 were making the film. 884 00:39:28,616 --> 00:39:31,077 -The idea of a corrupt politician trying to hide 885 00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,372 something from the citizens was very powerful. 886 00:39:34,622 --> 00:39:36,058 [Steven Spielberg] Murray Hamilton in a 887 00:39:36,082 --> 00:39:37,667 kind of local government, 888 00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:41,504 represented power and commerce over human safety. 889 00:39:42,797 --> 00:39:44,424 So, he represented a lot. 890 00:39:46,092 --> 00:39:50,096 -You knew it was dangerous but you let people 891 00:39:50,179 --> 00:39:51,931 go swimming anyway. 892 00:39:52,390 --> 00:39:54,642 [Jordan Peele] The shark isn’t even the greatest monster 893 00:39:54,726 --> 00:39:55,810 in the film. 894 00:39:55,894 --> 00:39:59,689 The fact that the money and the bottom line is working 895 00:39:59,772 --> 00:40:02,984 under the surface as being more valuable than the 896 00:40:03,067 --> 00:40:04,736 lives at stake, 897 00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:07,947 is something that is always true to a certain extent 898 00:40:08,031 --> 00:40:09,949 in this capitalist society. 899 00:40:10,325 --> 00:40:11,534 -We will be open for business. 900 00:40:11,618 --> 00:40:13,828 It’s going to be one of the best summers we’ve ever had. 901 00:40:13,995 --> 00:40:15,705 -The book got a lot of curious reviews. 902 00:40:15,788 --> 00:40:17,373 Some people really liked it a lot. 903 00:40:17,457 --> 00:40:18,457 Some people hated it. 904 00:40:18,499 --> 00:40:20,835 -Those beaches will be open for this weekend. 905 00:40:21,044 --> 00:40:23,421 -My favorite review of all I never even read 906 00:40:23,504 --> 00:40:24,547 because it wasn’t written. 907 00:40:24,631 --> 00:40:27,091 Frank Mankiewicz was interviewing Fidel Castro and 908 00:40:27,175 --> 00:40:29,302 asking, what do you read? 909 00:40:29,552 --> 00:40:31,930 And Castro said, well most recently I’ve read a book 910 00:40:32,013 --> 00:40:33,348 called Tiburon. 911 00:40:33,723 --> 00:40:35,242 And Mankiewicz said why are you reading 912 00:40:35,266 --> 00:40:36,893 commercial American thrillers? 913 00:40:36,976 --> 00:40:38,728 And Castro said, ah, no, you’re wrong. 914 00:40:38,811 --> 00:40:40,491 This is not a commercial American thriller. 915 00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:41,916 This is a marvelous metaphor about the 916 00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:43,942 corruption of capitalism. 917 00:40:44,192 --> 00:40:46,945 And I tried to get Doubleday to use it in an ad. 918 00:40:47,028 --> 00:40:48,172 Can you imagine the ad that says, 919 00:40:48,196 --> 00:40:50,907 marvelous metaphor about the corruption of capitalism 920 00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:52,659 slash Fidel Castro. 921 00:40:53,034 --> 00:40:56,162 Who else could have a quote from Fidel Castro, please? 922 00:40:56,412 --> 00:40:57,997 But they wouldn’t do it. 923 00:40:58,665 --> 00:41:01,668 -In recent days, a cloud has appeared on the horizon of this 924 00:41:01,751 --> 00:41:04,462 beautiful resort community, a cloud in the shape 925 00:41:04,545 --> 00:41:05,838 of a killer shark. 926 00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:09,175 -I was in my apartment and Jaws was on the TV. 927 00:41:09,717 --> 00:41:13,137 My dad has almost been dead for 20 years now and suddenly 928 00:41:13,221 --> 00:41:14,681 I heard my dad talking to me. 929 00:41:14,764 --> 00:41:16,724 And I kind of stopped and turned around and it was 930 00:41:16,808 --> 00:41:18,535 because it was the scene in Jaws where he’s interviewing 931 00:41:18,559 --> 00:41:20,103 the mayor on the beach. 932 00:41:20,186 --> 00:41:21,270 -Background action. 933 00:41:21,354 --> 00:41:24,023 -With me here today is the mayor of Amity, Lawrence Vaughn. 934 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,567 Now Mr. Vaughn, how about those rumors? 935 00:41:27,110 --> 00:41:28,903 All right, Murray, that’ll do it. 936 00:41:29,153 --> 00:41:30,363 -Okay, cut. 937 00:41:30,446 --> 00:41:32,216 [Clayton Benchley] I love when we’re able to go back and see 938 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,825 and then remember everything about him. 939 00:41:33,908 --> 00:41:35,535 And it’s, it’s really a gift. 940 00:41:35,785 --> 00:41:37,787 -The beaches are opened and the people are having 941 00:41:37,870 --> 00:41:38,663 a wonderful time. 942 00:41:38,746 --> 00:41:40,873 Amity, as you know means friendship. 943 00:41:41,708 --> 00:41:42,977 [Peter Benchley] David, you and I have talked about this. 944 00:41:43,001 --> 00:41:45,753 We were both around during the shooting of a big beach panic 945 00:41:45,837 --> 00:41:47,130 scene and we wondered, 946 00:41:47,213 --> 00:41:49,966 God, what would happen if something really did come in 947 00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:52,218 during a scene like this and began to eat people. 948 00:41:52,552 --> 00:41:56,472 -The Cape Cod radio only last night reported the spotting of 949 00:41:56,556 --> 00:41:59,642 a great white that went so close to the shore that it was 950 00:41:59,726 --> 00:42:01,394 observed by a lifeguard. 951 00:42:01,561 --> 00:42:04,272 Which adds further credence to the notion that our beach panic 952 00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:07,817 might indeed have been invaded by a great white. 953 00:42:08,526 --> 00:42:10,212 In which case we would’ve had a double beach 954 00:42:10,236 --> 00:42:12,113 panic or more horrifyingly, 955 00:42:12,196 --> 00:42:13,781 our actors would’ve thought it was 956 00:42:13,865 --> 00:42:14,907 part of the movie. 957 00:42:14,991 --> 00:42:16,993 We would’ve had to use the old Pearl Harbor line, 958 00:42:17,076 --> 00:42:18,578 "This is no drill." 959 00:42:25,626 --> 00:42:28,880 -The bridge is the number one spot and it’s also the 960 00:42:28,963 --> 00:42:31,174 number one fun spot because while you’re not 961 00:42:31,257 --> 00:42:32,800 supposed to jump off the bridge, 962 00:42:32,884 --> 00:42:36,054 150, 200 people jump off that bridge an hour. 963 00:42:37,722 --> 00:42:40,224 -I have yet to jump off the Jaws bridge. 964 00:42:40,349 --> 00:42:43,144 I have not plucked up the courage to do that. 965 00:42:43,394 --> 00:42:46,522 -Shar-shark. It’s a shark. 966 00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:50,443 -Jaws bridge is where it all happened for me. 967 00:42:50,902 --> 00:42:55,114 I was one of the three boys on the sailfish inside the estuary. 968 00:42:56,324 --> 00:42:57,700 -You can’t do a damn thing to it. 969 00:42:57,784 --> 00:42:59,178 - Get that rope. - Get this undone. Come on. 970 00:42:59,202 --> 00:43:00,703 - You got it tangled up there. - Melvin. 971 00:43:00,787 --> 00:43:02,121 -I’m doing it! 972 00:43:02,246 --> 00:43:03,766 [Rene Ben David] My biggest highlight in life was 973 00:43:03,790 --> 00:43:05,041 having my children. 974 00:43:05,124 --> 00:43:06,709 This was probably number two. 975 00:43:07,418 --> 00:43:08,961 -You guys okay over there? 976 00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:11,339 I was going to be a victim in the estuary. 977 00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:19,138 When I dropped into the mouth, the shark head would open and 978 00:43:19,222 --> 00:43:21,224 there’s a lot of mechanism under there. 979 00:43:21,307 --> 00:43:25,061 And so, that particular shot was worked by the guys in the 980 00:43:25,144 --> 00:43:27,772 barge with air rams, you know, everybody’s working the mouth. 981 00:43:28,022 --> 00:43:30,358 One guy works the head moving back and forth. 982 00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:33,253 You think, geez, am I going to get in the shark’s mouth and 983 00:43:33,277 --> 00:43:34,654 he’s going to clamp on me. 984 00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:38,950 But Bob Mattey did all the shark special-effects 985 00:43:39,033 --> 00:43:40,827 and he’s fabulous. 986 00:43:45,915 --> 00:43:49,252 -There are a couple of scenes that were shot where he really 987 00:43:49,335 --> 00:43:53,131 does look like a great white shark that I would see in my 988 00:43:53,214 --> 00:43:54,757 work right now. 989 00:43:55,216 --> 00:43:57,593 When the shark turns on its side, 990 00:43:57,677 --> 00:44:01,681 that to me is an incredibly realistic view of a white shark. 991 00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:04,493 [Steven Spielberg] I wanted it to be real. 992 00:44:04,517 --> 00:44:06,894 I wanted to show what happens when a shark bites you. 993 00:44:09,397 --> 00:44:11,416 I was certainly aware I was going to make it as scary and 994 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,193 as realistically brutal as I possibly could. 995 00:44:14,819 --> 00:44:16,237 -Marker. 996 00:44:17,905 --> 00:44:19,800 [Steven Spielberg] And then later on in the editing room I 997 00:44:19,824 --> 00:44:22,285 was able to come to my senses in a couple of sequences, 998 00:44:22,493 --> 00:44:26,622 and cut things out long before the MPAA ever saw the movie. 999 00:44:28,958 --> 00:44:32,837 -I think a great horror or great thriller is the 1000 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:37,300 perfect tailor-made nightmare for its protagonist. 1001 00:44:38,009 --> 00:44:41,304 And you know, when you talk about the mysticism of Jaws, 1002 00:44:41,387 --> 00:44:45,391 this shark getting closer and closer to this person who 1003 00:44:45,474 --> 00:44:50,188 doesn’t like the water, it’s this mystical connection 1004 00:44:50,688 --> 00:44:53,274 between hero and monster and you feel that. 1005 00:44:57,737 --> 00:44:59,906 -Guys, we can’t shoot right now. Hold on. Hold on. 1006 00:45:01,407 --> 00:45:03,051 -Have that boat go out and pull the anchor up and reset 1007 00:45:03,075 --> 00:45:04,452 it out there, okay? 1008 00:45:04,911 --> 00:45:06,430 [Steven Spielberg] This is my second day at sea. 1009 00:45:06,454 --> 00:45:09,498 And I have 54 more days to go. 1010 00:45:09,957 --> 00:45:14,712 And if I survive this, I’ll have learned a lot because 1011 00:45:14,795 --> 00:45:18,216 right now, all I can tell you is it’s twice as slow shooting 1012 00:45:18,299 --> 00:45:19,926 at sea as it is shooting on land. 1013 00:45:20,468 --> 00:45:22,220 -When they finally went on the water, 1014 00:45:22,303 --> 00:45:24,847 they needed local support boats and operators. 1015 00:45:24,931 --> 00:45:29,018 I did my acting part and then I was fortunate enough to be able 1016 00:45:29,101 --> 00:45:30,603 to be part of the Marine department. 1017 00:45:30,895 --> 00:45:33,022 And that’s where I really saw the bit of the 1018 00:45:33,105 --> 00:45:35,274 behind-the-scenes of what went into the show. 1019 00:45:35,483 --> 00:45:38,486 They started filming at the beginning of May and thought 1020 00:45:38,569 --> 00:45:40,369 they were going to be gone by the 4th of July. 1021 00:45:40,863 --> 00:45:44,283 And the schedule wasn’t really holding that well just because 1022 00:45:44,367 --> 00:45:46,118 of what they were dealing with. 1023 00:45:46,202 --> 00:45:52,541 -The month of August, 1974 is a death march on the water. 1024 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:54,978 [Steven Spielberg] We were on the ocean for like four and a 1025 00:45:55,002 --> 00:45:58,130 half, five months and we all began going off the deep end, 1026 00:45:58,214 --> 00:45:59,799 literally. 1027 00:46:00,007 --> 00:46:01,318 -It’s not the time it takes the take, 1028 00:46:01,342 --> 00:46:02,593 the take that takes the time. 1029 00:46:02,677 --> 00:46:05,513 It’s the time it takes between the takes that takes the time 1030 00:46:05,596 --> 00:46:06,973 it takes to take. 1031 00:46:07,056 --> 00:46:08,575 [James Cameron] Anytime you’re dealing with water, 1032 00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:10,351 it doesn’t get twice as hard. 1033 00:46:10,434 --> 00:46:12,895 It instantly gets five times as hard. 1034 00:46:12,979 --> 00:46:15,731 He always laughs whenever I do a water film. 1035 00:46:15,815 --> 00:46:17,733 He says, don’t you know how hard this stuff is? 1036 00:46:17,817 --> 00:46:19,735 I said yeah, I know. 1037 00:46:19,819 --> 00:46:22,154 [Steven Spielberg] There was nothing fun about making Jaws. 1038 00:46:22,321 --> 00:46:25,491 It was a very, very hard thing to go out on the real ocean, 1039 00:46:25,574 --> 00:46:29,078 be knocked around by the waves, by the currents. 1040 00:46:29,203 --> 00:46:30,329 One more time. 1041 00:46:30,413 --> 00:46:31,497 Shark comes up. 1042 00:46:31,664 --> 00:46:34,792 And then we have to re-anchor, reposition the camera boat, 1043 00:46:35,167 --> 00:46:38,337 suddenly the electrical barge with the generators running the 1044 00:46:38,421 --> 00:46:40,339 arcs is too far away. 1045 00:46:40,548 --> 00:46:42,842 And then on top of all that, 80% of the time the shark 1046 00:46:42,925 --> 00:46:44,302 didn’t work. 1047 00:46:44,969 --> 00:46:46,809 The first mistake with the shark was they built 1048 00:46:46,887 --> 00:46:48,222 it for freshwater. 1049 00:46:48,306 --> 00:46:50,308 - What’s the difference? - Well, electrolysis. 1050 00:46:51,017 --> 00:46:53,436 -They had built the shark in a hurry and then they realized 1051 00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:55,688 that saltwater eats everything. 1052 00:46:56,022 --> 00:46:57,249 [Steven Spielberg] They tested the shark for the first time in 1053 00:46:57,273 --> 00:47:00,276 the water and we had at least 20 boats of tourists who had 1054 00:47:00,359 --> 00:47:02,361 gathered around an area to watch the shark work. 1055 00:47:02,695 --> 00:47:04,864 We had the shark on a huge 90-foot platform 1056 00:47:04,947 --> 00:47:06,324 30 feet underwater. 1057 00:47:06,407 --> 00:47:08,427 At the press of a hydraulic button and pulling a lever back, 1058 00:47:08,451 --> 00:47:11,370 supposedly, the shark comes shooting out of the 1059 00:47:11,454 --> 00:47:12,454 water head first. 1060 00:47:12,496 --> 00:47:13,789 And this is, actually happened. 1061 00:47:13,873 --> 00:47:16,000 The shark came up tail first. 1062 00:47:16,208 --> 00:47:18,002 It came up tail first and it was like, 1063 00:47:18,085 --> 00:47:20,713 it was like a 25-foot moon. 1064 00:47:22,298 --> 00:47:25,509 -Some nights we’d go to the warehouse and you’d see 1065 00:47:25,593 --> 00:47:29,638 the sharks lined up there and they were always working on it. 1066 00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:34,560 And sometimes you’d get in the water and you’d see the 1067 00:47:34,643 --> 00:47:36,645 shark go ahh, womp. 1068 00:47:38,939 --> 00:47:41,901 You thought, oh, my God, are they going to finish this movie? 1069 00:47:42,985 --> 00:47:45,363 -There were all these radio mics all over the island and 1070 00:47:45,446 --> 00:47:46,614 they were always saying... 1071 00:47:46,697 --> 00:47:48,199 [makes static noise] 1072 00:47:48,282 --> 00:47:49,384 the shark is not working. 1073 00:47:49,408 --> 00:47:50,493 [makes static noise] 1074 00:47:50,576 --> 00:47:51,911 the shark is not working. 1075 00:47:51,994 --> 00:47:53,263 And then one day, you heard this... 1076 00:47:53,287 --> 00:47:54,330 [makes static noise] 1077 00:47:54,413 --> 00:47:56,224 The shark is working. Repeat, the shark is working. 1078 00:47:56,248 --> 00:47:57,083 [makes static noise] 1079 00:47:57,166 --> 00:47:59,418 The boat is sinking. The boat is sinking. 1080 00:48:00,503 --> 00:48:01,962 And I was on that boat. 1081 00:48:03,172 --> 00:48:04,173 -Time. 1082 00:48:04,340 --> 00:48:05,484 [Steven Spielberg] What happened was, 1083 00:48:05,508 --> 00:48:06,693 we were pulling one of the barrels away from the boat. 1084 00:48:06,717 --> 00:48:09,303 The problem was, the motorboat went so fast it pulled the 1085 00:48:09,387 --> 00:48:12,264 planking out from the hull of the Orca and of course the 1086 00:48:12,348 --> 00:48:15,351 water rushed in and the boat sank in about two minutes. 1087 00:48:15,768 --> 00:48:19,355 -Get the actors off the boat. Get the actors off the boat. 1088 00:48:19,605 --> 00:48:21,416 [Steven Spielberg] John Carter who won an Academy Award for 1089 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,525 Best Sound for Jaws, 1090 00:48:22,608 --> 00:48:24,944 picked up the Nagra, he was on the boat, 1091 00:48:25,027 --> 00:48:26,088 and held it over his head, and said, 1092 00:48:26,112 --> 00:48:28,531 "[bleep] the actors. Save the sound department!" 1093 00:48:30,074 --> 00:48:32,034 And I have this image to this day of John sinking, 1094 00:48:32,118 --> 00:48:34,537 holding the Nagra over his head and he came up months later 1095 00:48:34,620 --> 00:48:36,260 with an Academy Award in his hand instead. 1096 00:48:37,665 --> 00:48:41,127 These conditions have been so impossible that it’s really 1097 00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:43,963 hurt our schedule and we’ve been here 105 shooting days. 1098 00:48:44,547 --> 00:48:47,716 And we were only scheduled for something like 65 or 70. 1099 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:48,985 [interviewer] What’s this done to the budget of the picture? 1100 00:48:49,009 --> 00:48:51,071 [Steven Spielberg] Oh, it’s kicked it up about a million 1101 00:48:51,095 --> 00:48:52,513 and a half dollars, unfortunately. 1102 00:48:52,972 --> 00:48:54,140 We’re not sailors. 1103 00:48:54,223 --> 00:48:58,394 We were filmmakers, and we were a film company and we were way 1104 00:48:58,477 --> 00:48:59,812 out of our element. 1105 00:49:00,604 --> 00:49:03,065 There were times making that movie where I thought Jaws 1106 00:49:03,149 --> 00:49:07,403 would probably be the last thing I ever made before people 1107 00:49:07,486 --> 00:49:08,988 would stop hiring me. 1108 00:49:10,489 --> 00:49:13,868 -I mean, it was reported everywhere and when I did talk 1109 00:49:13,993 --> 00:49:15,202 to him once in a while, 1110 00:49:15,286 --> 00:49:17,329 I knew he was having a hard time. 1111 00:49:18,164 --> 00:49:19,999 [Steven Soderbergh] You’re a story. 1112 00:49:20,207 --> 00:49:22,087 I mean, people in the entertainment industry are 1113 00:49:22,126 --> 00:49:26,964 talking about what a troubled production this is. 1114 00:49:27,214 --> 00:49:29,484 -The director said he faced the head of the studio and he said, 1115 00:49:29,508 --> 00:49:31,385 "I can’t do it in time." 1116 00:49:31,469 --> 00:49:34,013 About 60 days into the schedule and we were already like 1117 00:49:34,096 --> 00:49:37,099 20 days behind schedule, and somebody from Hollywood, 1118 00:49:37,183 --> 00:49:38,684 an actor came over to me and said, 1119 00:49:38,767 --> 00:49:41,007 everybody’s talking about you’re never going to get a job 1120 00:49:41,061 --> 00:49:44,190 after this movie because you were irresponsible with budget. 1121 00:49:44,523 --> 00:49:46,942 This actor was so sure I would never work again, 1122 00:49:47,026 --> 00:49:48,611 they didn’t care if they told me that. 1123 00:49:48,694 --> 00:49:50,654 It was a very mean thing, by the way, to do. 1124 00:49:51,697 --> 00:49:53,949 I totally forgot about it when I got back to shooting the 1125 00:49:54,033 --> 00:49:55,534 movie that next week. 1126 00:49:55,618 --> 00:49:57,286 But that was really demoralizing. 1127 00:49:57,369 --> 00:49:58,369 And halfway through Jaws, 1128 00:49:58,412 --> 00:50:01,290 I couldn’t guarantee control over anything. 1129 00:50:03,542 --> 00:50:05,711 [Steven Soderbergh] There’s a very real point in the 1130 00:50:05,794 --> 00:50:07,463 production of this film 1131 00:50:07,546 --> 00:50:11,342 where conversations are being had about whether or not it’s 1132 00:50:11,425 --> 00:50:15,429 actually physically possible to make this film. 1133 00:50:16,347 --> 00:50:21,060 -We were so far over budget, on shooting days and money. 1134 00:50:21,352 --> 00:50:24,313 There was a strong undercurrent that the studio 1135 00:50:24,396 --> 00:50:25,648 would close us down. 1136 00:50:25,731 --> 00:50:26,565 They say enough. 1137 00:50:26,649 --> 00:50:28,734 -I never once felt like I wanted to quit. 1138 00:50:28,817 --> 00:50:31,278 I was terrified I was going to be fired. 1139 00:50:31,862 --> 00:50:34,156 At one point, Sid Sheinberg who ran the studio, 1140 00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:37,785 flew to Martha’s Vineyard just to assess the damage. 1141 00:50:38,494 --> 00:50:40,579 And he was staying at the Kelley House, 1142 00:50:40,829 --> 00:50:42,498 a hotel there in Edgartown. 1143 00:50:42,581 --> 00:50:45,000 And he just pulled me behind the house. 1144 00:50:45,084 --> 00:50:48,170 We sat on the steps, these gray steps together and we sat on 1145 00:50:48,254 --> 00:50:49,380 the same step. 1146 00:50:49,463 --> 00:50:52,550 And he said I’m not sure this is possible, 1147 00:50:52,633 --> 00:50:54,093 finishing the film this way. 1148 00:50:54,176 --> 00:50:55,469 What do you think we should do? 1149 00:50:55,553 --> 00:50:56,303 And I just said no, 1150 00:50:56,387 --> 00:50:57,697 I want to go, I want to finish it. 1151 00:50:57,721 --> 00:50:59,181 I can finish this movie. 1152 00:50:59,265 --> 00:51:00,683 When you’re by yourself at night, 1153 00:51:00,766 --> 00:51:03,018 it weighs more heavily than during the working day when 1154 00:51:03,102 --> 00:51:05,729 your mind is on getting good film. 1155 00:51:06,021 --> 00:51:08,357 [Steven Spielberg] Scorsese used to come over to the set 1156 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:09,525 from New York. 1157 00:51:09,608 --> 00:51:11,169 He’d fly down to Martha’s Vineyard and he would 1158 00:51:11,193 --> 00:51:13,195 just sit there feeling sorry for me. 1159 00:51:13,279 --> 00:51:14,780 And we would, we would commiserate. 1160 00:51:14,947 --> 00:51:16,633 [interviewer] I notice you bite your fingernails a lot. 1161 00:51:16,657 --> 00:51:18,777 Is that why because you’re juggling all the cash or...? 1162 00:51:18,826 --> 00:51:20,744 -No, because I don’t smoke, I don’t drink. 1163 00:51:20,828 --> 00:51:23,330 -I asked Steven, what did you do to unwind on 1164 00:51:23,414 --> 00:51:25,833 those days where if the shark wasn’t breaking, 1165 00:51:25,916 --> 00:51:29,253 your spirit was breaking, like what did you do to relax 1166 00:51:29,336 --> 00:51:30,170 and blow off steam? 1167 00:51:30,254 --> 00:51:32,506 And he said I used to go to the arcade. 1168 00:51:34,425 --> 00:51:35,843 -And I talked to my mom a lot. 1169 00:51:35,926 --> 00:51:37,646 I mean, I was talking to my mom kind of like 1170 00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:40,973 'Mommy, this is really impossible. Help.' 1171 00:51:42,558 --> 00:51:45,769 [Steven Soderbergh] It’s really hard to read how slow 1172 00:51:45,853 --> 00:51:48,314 things were going. 1173 00:51:48,814 --> 00:51:52,860 But also, fascinating to see how he’s recalibrating, 1174 00:51:52,943 --> 00:51:58,657 rebuilding it, re-shooting, coming up with ideas on set to 1175 00:51:58,907 --> 00:52:04,163 keep bringing the movie to life as he saw it. 1176 00:52:06,665 --> 00:52:08,876 -Slow ahead. I can go slow ahead. 1177 00:52:09,168 --> 00:52:10,878 Come on down and chum some of this... . 1178 00:52:13,547 --> 00:52:15,525 [Steven Spielberg] When the shark comes out and Brody backs 1179 00:52:15,549 --> 00:52:17,509 into the cabin, I say, Roy, when you back in, 1180 00:52:17,593 --> 00:52:20,512 don’t even look at him, just keep looking at where 1181 00:52:20,596 --> 00:52:22,181 the shark breached. 1182 00:52:22,389 --> 00:52:25,184 Just back into the cabin and just say you’re going to 1183 00:52:25,267 --> 00:52:26,393 need a bigger boat. 1184 00:52:26,477 --> 00:52:28,187 -You’re going to need a bigger boat. 1185 00:52:28,604 --> 00:52:31,398 -Chief Brody was like my first onscreen crush 1186 00:52:31,482 --> 00:52:34,276 with that tan and it’s actually the expression on his face 1187 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,278 where he’s chumming and then he comes up and 1188 00:52:36,362 --> 00:52:38,697 his head comes into frame, woo, like that. 1189 00:52:38,947 --> 00:52:41,325 And the cigarette’s like wet, you know. 1190 00:52:41,533 --> 00:52:43,369 I will never forget that shot. 1191 00:52:43,535 --> 00:52:45,663 I was like, oh, God, he’s like my dream guy. 1192 00:52:45,746 --> 00:52:47,414 You’re going to need a bigger boat. 1193 00:52:47,498 --> 00:52:49,333 [laughs] 1194 00:52:49,583 --> 00:52:52,002 -You’re going to need a bigger boat is a flag 1195 00:52:52,336 --> 00:52:54,755 that you can fly after you leave that movie. 1196 00:52:55,714 --> 00:52:57,234 [James Cameron] I think it’s impossible 1197 00:52:57,299 --> 00:52:59,259 to write a timeless line, 1198 00:52:59,468 --> 00:53:00,552 you know what I mean. 1199 00:53:00,636 --> 00:53:01,988 I don’t think you’re sitting there going oh, that, 1200 00:53:02,012 --> 00:53:02,888 what I just wrote, 1201 00:53:02,971 --> 00:53:04,473 that’s going to be timeless, you know. 1202 00:53:04,556 --> 00:53:05,808 Because it’s all the context. 1203 00:53:05,891 --> 00:53:07,393 Where is the audience in the film? 1204 00:53:07,476 --> 00:53:08,602 How tense are they? 1205 00:53:08,686 --> 00:53:10,771 And what kind of release will it trigger? 1206 00:53:10,854 --> 00:53:12,648 Even a line that’s not that funny. 1207 00:53:12,731 --> 00:53:13,941 When Arnold said. 1208 00:53:14,024 --> 00:53:15,401 -I’ll be back. 1209 00:53:15,943 --> 00:53:17,379 [James Cameron] You know, I didn’t think that was going to 1210 00:53:17,403 --> 00:53:18,403 be any big deal. 1211 00:53:18,445 --> 00:53:21,573 But the value of it is the audience is already in 1212 00:53:21,657 --> 00:53:24,910 on the joke by that point so they read into it. 1213 00:53:25,411 --> 00:53:27,246 -Put your gloves on both of you. 1214 00:53:27,371 --> 00:53:30,207 -Where the Hooper and Brody and Quint characters 1215 00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:31,792 came together and had to deal with 1216 00:53:31,875 --> 00:53:33,335 each other’s backgrounds, 1217 00:53:33,419 --> 00:53:34,795 it involved a lot of improvisation. 1218 00:53:34,878 --> 00:53:36,714 -Hey, Quint, let it go. 1219 00:53:36,797 --> 00:53:39,341 -Hey, Hooper, maybe you’re a big yahoo in the lab 1220 00:53:39,425 --> 00:53:40,926 but out here, you’re just a super cog. 1221 00:53:41,009 --> 00:53:43,071 If you don’t want to backstroke home you get down here. 1222 00:53:43,095 --> 00:53:44,614 [Steven Spielberg] And we had tape recorders running. 1223 00:53:44,638 --> 00:53:46,282 And then taking that improvisation and finding a 1224 00:53:46,306 --> 00:53:47,575 good line from Dreyfuss here and a 1225 00:53:47,599 --> 00:53:50,269 good line from Robert Shaw here, writing it down, 1226 00:53:50,728 --> 00:53:52,608 actually became the day’s work for the next day. 1227 00:53:52,688 --> 00:53:55,566 -Hey chief, let’s drop another chum marker. 1228 00:53:56,608 --> 00:53:58,461 [Steven Spielberg] And a lot of the movie was done that way. 1229 00:53:58,485 --> 00:54:00,904 The whole scene between Dreyfuss and Shaw is sort of 1230 00:54:00,988 --> 00:54:04,658 challenging each other where Quint drinks an entire can of 1231 00:54:04,742 --> 00:54:07,619 beer and he crushes the can. 1232 00:54:07,703 --> 00:54:10,706 And Dreyfuss has a little Dixie Styrofoam cup of coffee and he 1233 00:54:10,789 --> 00:54:12,499 crushes the Styrofoam. 1234 00:54:14,334 --> 00:54:15,502 That was made up on the day, 1235 00:54:15,586 --> 00:54:18,464 but we kept throwing ideas into the pot. 1236 00:54:18,589 --> 00:54:19,965 -Well, you know, we go out there. 1237 00:54:20,048 --> 00:54:22,468 There’s just the three of us, Scheider, Dreyfuss, me, 1238 00:54:22,551 --> 00:54:23,427 and the shark. 1239 00:54:23,510 --> 00:54:25,929 I think I know every detail of those two men’s lives. 1240 00:54:26,013 --> 00:54:29,308 And it has been to some extent very boring. 1241 00:54:29,683 --> 00:54:32,519 -They were three very different men at three very 1242 00:54:32,603 --> 00:54:34,438 different stages of their careers. 1243 00:54:35,105 --> 00:54:39,485 But I think part of the chemistry is that there was 1244 00:54:39,568 --> 00:54:42,780 a bit of themselves that bled into those roles. 1245 00:54:43,363 --> 00:54:45,115 -You got city hands, Mr. Hooper. 1246 00:54:45,407 --> 00:54:46,759 You’ve been counting money on your life. 1247 00:54:46,783 --> 00:54:48,511 -All right, all right, hey, I don’t need this. 1248 00:54:48,535 --> 00:54:50,787 I don’t need this working-class hero crap. 1249 00:54:50,871 --> 00:54:54,583 -We were very competitive and the desire for all three to 1250 00:54:54,666 --> 00:54:59,588 excel pushed most of the scenes right to their limits. 1251 00:55:00,172 --> 00:55:03,842 And I think it was a challenge every day out to do as good or 1252 00:55:03,926 --> 00:55:05,886 better as the other guy. 1253 00:55:06,178 --> 00:55:09,348 It also is exactly what’s happening in the story. 1254 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:11,600 And that of course, helps the film. 1255 00:55:11,808 --> 00:55:14,686 -What do you got here, a portable char or a monkey cage? 1256 00:55:15,062 --> 00:55:16,939 -Anti shark cage. 1257 00:55:17,189 --> 00:55:21,068 -Robert’s offscreen skirmishes with Richard helped 1258 00:55:21,151 --> 00:55:23,529 the chemistry of the piece. 1259 00:55:23,612 --> 00:55:24,881 [Robert Shaw] We all have different methods. 1260 00:55:24,905 --> 00:55:27,699 I do tend to drink when totally bored. 1261 00:55:28,116 --> 00:55:30,994 Roy does exercises and sunbathes. 1262 00:55:31,245 --> 00:55:32,120 Scheider does that. 1263 00:55:32,204 --> 00:55:34,748 And Dreyfuss talks. Dreyfuss just talks. 1264 00:55:35,207 --> 00:55:36,434 [Richard Dreyfuss] The character, 1265 00:55:36,458 --> 00:55:39,628 as explained to me before we began shooting, interested me. 1266 00:55:40,546 --> 00:55:43,048 [interviewer] And after you started shooting what happened? 1267 00:55:45,717 --> 00:55:47,317 [Richard Dreyfuss] I have made a mistake. 1268 00:55:47,511 --> 00:55:49,614 [Steven Spielberg] There was a lot of Richard challenging 1269 00:55:49,638 --> 00:55:51,640 Robert and Robert challenging Richard. 1270 00:55:51,890 --> 00:55:53,392 -Stop playing with yourself, Hooper. 1271 00:55:53,475 --> 00:55:54,702 -They were kind of sparring partners. 1272 00:55:54,726 --> 00:55:56,478 -Hooper. Full throttle. 1273 00:55:56,812 --> 00:55:59,106 -I won’t have to take this abuse much longer. 1274 00:55:59,231 --> 00:56:00,399 -But it really turned out, 1275 00:56:00,482 --> 00:56:04,486 in hindsight, to be a kind of playful banter that was unique 1276 00:56:04,570 --> 00:56:06,530 to their personal relationships. 1277 00:56:07,197 --> 00:56:09,616 [Richard Dreyfuss] Robert was one of the most powerful people 1278 00:56:09,700 --> 00:56:10,701 I’ve ever met. 1279 00:56:10,784 --> 00:56:12,411 Incredibly intense. 1280 00:56:12,744 --> 00:56:15,539 I mean, it was something that radiated out of him. 1281 00:56:15,789 --> 00:56:18,834 He was a remarkably gifted actor and writer. 1282 00:56:19,084 --> 00:56:22,045 He was also, unfortunately, the most extraordinarily 1283 00:56:22,129 --> 00:56:26,049 competitive person, unnecessarily competitive. 1284 00:56:26,758 --> 00:56:28,398 [Ian Shaw] It was a love-hate relationship 1285 00:56:28,427 --> 00:56:29,511 between the two of them. 1286 00:56:29,595 --> 00:56:33,223 Robert was very frustrated with Richard’s attitude. 1287 00:56:33,765 --> 00:56:37,394 -As an actor, it’s been an exercise in futility. 1288 00:56:37,477 --> 00:56:40,022 [Ian Shaw] And Robert gave him a really hard time, 1289 00:56:40,105 --> 00:56:41,648 at least publicly. 1290 00:56:42,149 --> 00:56:44,693 But also, Robert could see the talent that was there and 1291 00:56:44,776 --> 00:56:46,612 wanted him to succeed. 1292 00:56:47,195 --> 00:56:48,947 -You want a drink? Drink to your leg. 1293 00:56:49,156 --> 00:56:51,783 - I’ll drink to your leg. - Okay, so we drink to our legs. 1294 00:56:52,784 --> 00:56:54,036 [laughs] 1295 00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:55,388 [Steven Spielberg] The scene that I’m proudest of in Jaws 1296 00:56:55,412 --> 00:56:57,956 was everything that takes place in that one night in that cabin 1297 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,753 from the scar comparing, right through the Indianapolis beach 1298 00:57:02,836 --> 00:57:05,964 is something that I actually and objectively can watch over 1299 00:57:06,048 --> 00:57:07,132 and over again. 1300 00:57:07,215 --> 00:57:09,801 [laughs] 1301 00:57:10,594 --> 00:57:13,722 -So, Hooper, that’s the USS Indianapolis. 1302 00:57:14,264 --> 00:57:17,976 -Not only is it the 50th anniversary of Jaws, 1303 00:57:18,393 --> 00:57:21,021 but it’s also the 80th anniversary of the sinking of 1304 00:57:21,104 --> 00:57:22,606 the USS Indianapolis. 1305 00:57:22,981 --> 00:57:24,181 -You were on the Indianapolis? 1306 00:57:24,232 --> 00:57:26,210 [Steven Spielberg] One of the greatest things Howard Sackler 1307 00:57:26,234 --> 00:57:29,696 left me with was he said, I’d like to give Quint a motivation 1308 00:57:29,780 --> 00:57:32,032 for his hatred of sharks. 1309 00:57:33,241 --> 00:57:35,827 Have you ever heard of the USS Indianapolis? 1310 00:57:35,952 --> 00:57:37,746 And I got to tell you, I hadn’t. 1311 00:57:37,996 --> 00:57:41,750 He told me the story of the Indianapolis and its duty in 1312 00:57:41,833 --> 00:57:43,168 World War II, 1313 00:57:43,335 --> 00:57:46,004 bringing bomb parts for the atomic bomb. 1314 00:57:46,463 --> 00:57:47,839 -What happened? 1315 00:57:48,757 --> 00:57:51,510 -Japanese submarine slammed two torpedoes 1316 00:57:51,593 --> 00:57:53,136 into our side, chief. 1317 00:57:54,096 --> 00:57:56,765 1100 men went into the water. 1318 00:57:56,932 --> 00:57:59,601 The vessel went down in 12 minutes. 1319 00:57:59,893 --> 00:58:03,188 -And all hands in the water, ravaged by sharks. 1320 00:58:04,147 --> 00:58:06,983 -Didn’t see the first shark for about a half an hour. 1321 00:58:07,234 --> 00:58:09,236 [Carl Gotlieb] Sackler knew about the Indianapolis. 1322 00:58:09,361 --> 00:58:12,781 He was in the Navy and he brought that incident 1323 00:58:12,864 --> 00:58:14,116 into the screenplay. 1324 00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:16,576 He said, this is the motivation we need. 1325 00:58:16,743 --> 00:58:19,996 -Very first light, chief, sharks come cruising. 1326 00:58:21,206 --> 00:58:23,017 [Steven Spielberg] And down the road a bit I went to my friend, 1327 00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:25,627 John Milius, he wrote Apocalypse Now and was a 1328 00:58:25,711 --> 00:58:27,796 wonderful director and I said John, 1329 00:58:27,879 --> 00:58:29,756 read this script and focus on this speech. 1330 00:58:30,465 --> 00:58:32,467 So, John went away and he came back and he sent 1331 00:58:32,551 --> 00:58:34,928 me a seven-and-a-half, eight-page monologue. 1332 00:58:36,179 --> 00:58:38,473 Shaw said this is going to bore the audience. 1333 00:58:38,557 --> 00:58:40,976 I can’t sit there and talk for eight minutes. 1334 00:58:41,643 --> 00:58:44,771 Will you let me tonight go home and do a little rewrite 1335 00:58:44,855 --> 00:58:45,772 of the speech. 1336 00:58:45,856 --> 00:58:47,816 I said, please. Have at it. 1337 00:58:49,192 --> 00:58:50,986 And Robert Shaw was a wonderful writer. 1338 00:58:51,069 --> 00:58:52,588 He had written The Man in the Glass Booth, 1339 00:58:52,612 --> 00:58:53,989 the play. 1340 00:58:54,072 --> 00:58:55,949 And that’s what is in the movie. 1341 00:58:56,575 --> 00:58:58,827 -A shark comes to the nearest man there and he starts 1342 00:58:58,910 --> 00:59:00,912 pounding and hollering and screaming. 1343 00:59:01,163 --> 00:59:02,998 Sometimes the shark go away. 1344 00:59:04,833 --> 00:59:06,918 Sometimes he wouldn’t go away. 1345 00:59:07,085 --> 00:59:09,004 [Emily Blunt] It’s a fascinating thing to watch 1346 00:59:09,087 --> 00:59:13,008 Robert Shaw make the choice to play it with a smile, 1347 00:59:13,300 --> 00:59:14,760 with relish. 1348 00:59:14,843 --> 00:59:18,013 And for you to then understand his obsession, 1349 00:59:18,096 --> 00:59:20,098 like he’s haunted by the screams of those men who 1350 00:59:20,182 --> 00:59:21,683 all died around him. 1351 00:59:21,767 --> 00:59:22,559 And you feel it. 1352 00:59:22,642 --> 00:59:25,187 The whole scene pulses with trauma. 1353 00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:29,024 -Ah, and then you hear that terrible high-pitched screaming. 1354 00:59:29,399 --> 00:59:33,195 The ocean turns red in spite of all the pounding and the 1355 00:59:33,278 --> 00:59:38,950 hollering, they all come in and they rip you to pieces. 1356 00:59:39,242 --> 00:59:40,762 [interviewer] How do you psych yourself up for this 1357 00:59:40,786 --> 00:59:42,037 kind of regiment every day? 1358 00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:44,956 -Well, Scotch, vodka, gin, whatever. 1359 00:59:45,457 --> 00:59:46,777 -With every week we were shooting, 1360 00:59:46,833 --> 00:59:48,502 he was becoming more and more like Quint. 1361 00:59:48,627 --> 00:59:51,546 He said to me, I just want to have a little buzz when I’m 1362 00:59:51,630 --> 00:59:53,715 doing the speech because I don’t want to play drunk 1363 00:59:53,799 --> 00:59:55,675 or act inebriated. 1364 00:59:55,759 --> 00:59:58,261 Just one small drink and that’s all I’m going to need. 1365 00:59:58,553 --> 00:59:59,989 [interviewer] Have you pulled any benders, 1366 01:00:00,013 --> 01:00:01,240 you yourself while you’re here? 1367 01:00:01,264 --> 01:00:03,558 -No, the only time I’m ever drunk is ever, 1368 01:00:03,642 --> 01:00:04,810 is on television. 1369 01:00:04,893 --> 01:00:08,730 I’m never drunk in private life or work or we all know that. 1370 01:00:08,814 --> 01:00:11,316 -Stupidly, I said, "Sure. Go ahead." 1371 01:00:11,983 --> 01:00:13,318 I would never do that today. 1372 01:00:14,569 --> 01:00:17,030 The next day, two crew members had to help Robert 1373 01:00:17,113 --> 01:00:19,115 onto the Orca. 1374 01:00:20,158 --> 01:00:23,620 And he wasn’t able to really get through the speech. 1375 01:00:25,121 --> 01:00:26,121 That night I’m sleeping, 1376 01:00:26,164 --> 01:00:27,916 sound asleep and my phone rings, 1377 01:00:27,999 --> 01:00:29,835 and it’s Robert on the phone. 1378 01:00:30,168 --> 01:00:33,129 He says, what happened, did I embarrass you? 1379 01:00:33,213 --> 01:00:34,756 I am so sorry if I did. 1380 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:35,674 I won’t have a drink. 1381 01:00:35,757 --> 01:00:37,884 Please give me a chance to do this tomorrow. 1382 01:00:37,968 --> 01:00:40,008 And he knocked it out of the ballpark, the next day. 1383 01:00:40,053 --> 01:00:41,054 That was it. 1384 01:00:41,137 --> 01:00:44,391 -Anyway, we delivered the bomb. 1385 01:00:46,101 --> 01:00:48,687 -Quint chose to be a shark hunter and he’s put himself in 1386 01:00:48,770 --> 01:00:51,273 direct line with the thing that’s caused all this trauma 1387 01:00:51,356 --> 01:00:52,732 from the past. 1388 01:00:52,899 --> 01:00:54,779 Part of him is thinking, if I can overcome this, 1389 01:00:54,860 --> 01:00:56,695 I can let go of the past, finally. 1390 01:00:56,945 --> 01:00:58,613 You see fear in his eyes. 1391 01:00:58,780 --> 01:01:01,408 And he thinks this is the shark that’s coming to get me. 1392 01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,786 -There’s something really powerful about that kind of 1393 01:01:04,870 --> 01:01:06,538 inevitable tragic end. 1394 01:01:07,747 --> 01:01:09,666 This was always this character’s fate. 1395 01:01:13,378 --> 01:01:16,047 -Great whites have one of the most impressive hunting 1396 01:01:16,131 --> 01:01:17,340 behaviors called a breach. 1397 01:01:19,509 --> 01:01:20,927 Oh, my God! 1398 01:01:21,344 --> 01:01:23,054 And you see this in the movie, Jaws, 1399 01:01:23,138 --> 01:01:24,723 when it breaches onto the Orca. 1400 01:01:26,850 --> 01:01:29,185 I have never seen a great white do this on a boat. 1401 01:01:30,020 --> 01:01:32,314 Most of the time you see great whites breaching, 1402 01:01:32,397 --> 01:01:35,108 it is a surefire kill on a seal. 1403 01:01:35,275 --> 01:01:39,487 But the suspense, as a piece of cinema, it was great. 1404 01:01:40,947 --> 01:01:44,200 -Horror is about things that shouldn't be but are. 1405 01:01:44,868 --> 01:01:47,871 If the shark is on the boat the laws of physics 1406 01:01:47,954 --> 01:01:49,915 in the universe are upside down. 1407 01:01:51,541 --> 01:01:52,685 [Robert Shaw] My death, you know, 1408 01:01:52,709 --> 01:01:55,295 going into the shark's jaws, quite an unpleasant thing. 1409 01:01:55,378 --> 01:01:58,298 It weighs about several tons and the jaws absolutely come 1410 01:01:58,381 --> 01:02:00,675 down on me with the hydraulic pressure, you know. 1411 01:02:02,218 --> 01:02:04,137 [screaming] 1412 01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:06,198 [Robert Shaw] And you do it 14 or 15 times in this kind of 1413 01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:08,016 weather in the cold, 1414 01:02:08,099 --> 01:02:11,770 slide right into it and then the teeth come and bite you. 1415 01:02:11,978 --> 01:02:13,355 It’s not very nice. 1416 01:02:13,605 --> 01:02:16,733 -Now, my character’s left aboard the boat and he’s trapped 1417 01:02:16,816 --> 01:02:19,194 inside the cabin and the boat is sinking. 1418 01:02:19,277 --> 01:02:20,987 [interviewer] Is this your big scene? 1419 01:02:21,071 --> 01:02:21,905 -This is the big scene. 1420 01:02:21,988 --> 01:02:23,949 And I’m not going to tell you anymore. 1421 01:02:24,032 --> 01:02:26,052 [Guillermo Del Toro] One of the things that for me as a kid 1422 01:02:26,076 --> 01:02:27,118 made me say it’s real, 1423 01:02:27,202 --> 01:02:31,206 is the piece of meat when the shark is thrashing and 1424 01:02:31,289 --> 01:02:36,252 you see this piece of meat stuck between the teeth, dangling. 1425 01:02:36,419 --> 01:02:38,004 That is the genius. 1426 01:02:38,171 --> 01:02:39,339 -Okay, start it. 1427 01:02:39,714 --> 01:02:41,508 [Steven Spielberg] Okay, Roy. Action. 1428 01:02:41,716 --> 01:02:43,301 Blowing up the shark was not my idea. 1429 01:02:43,635 --> 01:02:45,220 Some of my earliest collaborators, 1430 01:02:45,303 --> 01:02:47,889 Hal Barwood and Matthew Robbins, they wrote 1431 01:02:47,973 --> 01:02:49,349 The Sugarland Express. 1432 01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:51,267 I gave them Jaws to read, 1433 01:02:51,351 --> 01:02:52,894 and they gave me a lot of notes. 1434 01:02:52,978 --> 01:02:54,062 And one of the notes was, 1435 01:02:54,145 --> 01:02:55,772 the shark's got to blow up at the end. 1436 01:02:55,981 --> 01:02:56,898 What do you mean blow-up at the end? 1437 01:02:56,982 --> 01:02:58,125 It's got to blow up at the end. 1438 01:02:58,149 --> 01:03:01,444 And you know how you do it, you throw into his mouth, 1439 01:03:01,528 --> 01:03:04,239 into his jaws, a scuba tank. 1440 01:03:04,447 --> 01:03:07,951 And then he chomps down on the scuba tank and the 1441 01:03:08,034 --> 01:03:11,121 pressure from the bite force blows it up. 1442 01:03:12,414 --> 01:03:13,748 I said that's not credible. 1443 01:03:13,832 --> 01:03:16,042 A shark cannot bite through a scuba tank. 1444 01:03:17,419 --> 01:03:19,129 And then either Hal or Matt said, okay, 1445 01:03:19,212 --> 01:03:22,090 well how about one of the characters takes a rifle and he 1446 01:03:22,215 --> 01:03:27,345 shoots a bullet into the tank while the shark is approaching 1447 01:03:27,429 --> 01:03:28,972 and blows it up that way. 1448 01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:32,225 -Show me the tank. Show me the tank. 1449 01:03:32,392 --> 01:03:33,392 Blow up. 1450 01:03:33,435 --> 01:03:35,246 [James Cameron] I think it’s been debunked that 1451 01:03:35,270 --> 01:03:37,230 you can actually blow up a charged scuba cylinder 1452 01:03:37,313 --> 01:03:38,565 with a high-powered rifle. 1453 01:03:38,648 --> 01:03:41,359 But I was a diver and I understood the power 1454 01:03:41,443 --> 01:03:42,819 of compressed air. 1455 01:03:42,902 --> 01:03:43,987 So, I bought it. 1456 01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:45,881 -You screw around with these tanks and they’re going 1457 01:03:45,905 --> 01:03:47,073 to blow up. 1458 01:03:47,157 --> 01:03:48,384 [James Cameron] And it was just a perfect moment of character, 1459 01:03:48,408 --> 01:03:51,161 the fact that he hates water, the boat’s sinking out from 1460 01:03:51,244 --> 01:03:53,788 underneath him, the shark’s going back for him. 1461 01:03:53,872 --> 01:03:56,541 All the pieces fell into place instantly in the moment. 1462 01:03:56,791 --> 01:03:57,791 [gunshot] 1463 01:03:58,043 --> 01:04:01,129 And you just wind the tension tighter and tighter and tighter. 1464 01:04:01,212 --> 01:04:03,089 And man, I’ll tell you, that is an art form. 1465 01:04:03,173 --> 01:04:04,424 -Blow up! 1466 01:04:04,507 --> 01:04:06,342 -When you think about it, it is a bit like the 1467 01:04:06,426 --> 01:04:07,469 Death Star moment. 1468 01:04:07,552 --> 01:04:09,012 -Smile you son of a... 1469 01:04:09,262 --> 01:04:10,555 [gunshot and explosion] 1470 01:04:12,474 --> 01:04:14,514 [J.J. Abrams] There is an undeniable satisfaction in 1471 01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:16,478 finally destroying this thing that you’ve seen 1472 01:04:16,561 --> 01:04:18,021 cause such carnage. 1473 01:04:18,104 --> 01:04:19,439 [screams] 1474 01:04:19,522 --> 01:04:21,316 [laughter]. 1475 01:04:22,233 --> 01:04:26,029 -For a movie in which you've invested two hours, 1476 01:04:26,404 --> 01:04:29,157 you need that kind of release. 1477 01:04:31,367 --> 01:04:34,537 I think the reason it works is that they really, they earn it. 1478 01:04:37,999 --> 01:04:40,061 [Steven Spielberg] And when the film wrapped Martha's Vineyard, 1479 01:04:40,085 --> 01:04:43,379 I had a full-blown panic attack. 1480 01:04:45,924 --> 01:04:49,844 I was in it, shall I say, over my head for about seven or 1481 01:04:49,928 --> 01:04:51,304 eight months on Martha's Vineyard. 1482 01:04:51,387 --> 01:04:54,015 It was logistically the most difficult movie I think 1483 01:04:54,099 --> 01:04:55,475 I'll ever make. 1484 01:04:55,558 --> 01:04:56,351 I couldn't breathe. 1485 01:04:56,434 --> 01:04:58,353 I thought I was having a heart attack. 1486 01:04:58,436 --> 01:05:00,313 I couldn't get a full breath of air. 1487 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:03,024 I kept going to the bathroom and splashing water on my face. 1488 01:05:03,650 --> 01:05:05,360 I was shaking. 1489 01:05:05,443 --> 01:05:07,403 And I, I was, I was out of it. 1490 01:05:07,737 --> 01:05:09,447 I was completely out of it. 1491 01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:12,575 And I think it was everything that I had experienced on the 1492 01:05:12,659 --> 01:05:15,370 island at least trying to not only hold myself together 1493 01:05:15,453 --> 01:05:17,080 but hold the crew together. 1494 01:05:17,580 --> 01:05:20,125 And I had great people helping me hold the crew together. 1495 01:05:20,250 --> 01:05:21,960 I had Tom Joyner the AD. 1496 01:05:22,043 --> 01:05:24,254 I had Phil Butler, the DP. 1497 01:05:24,337 --> 01:05:26,339 Mike Chapman the camera operator. 1498 01:05:27,090 --> 01:05:30,135 I had just a great crew, and yet I felt responsible 1499 01:05:30,218 --> 01:05:31,386 for everybody there. 1500 01:05:31,469 --> 01:05:33,489 And I felt really responsible for keeping them there for as 1501 01:05:33,513 --> 01:05:35,515 long as we had to stay. 1502 01:05:35,598 --> 01:05:37,392 And I think I just lost it. 1503 01:05:42,772 --> 01:05:44,291 [Verna Fields] What we’re looking for a nice place 1504 01:05:44,315 --> 01:05:46,651 to show that Quint refuses to slow down the boat. 1505 01:05:53,408 --> 01:05:55,160 Now the splicer. 1506 01:05:56,619 --> 01:05:58,913 [Steven Spielberg] Verna Field, she was a force of, 1507 01:05:58,997 --> 01:06:00,456 of stability for me. 1508 01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:04,127 -Am I in trouble? Jaws. Am I in Jaws trouble? 1509 01:06:04,335 --> 01:06:06,588 -Verna was working on Martha’s Vineyard. 1510 01:06:07,422 --> 01:06:09,424 -I mean, I’m looking for our mark as a place. 1511 01:06:10,175 --> 01:06:11,384 That’s the spot, Steve. 1512 01:06:11,467 --> 01:06:13,970 -But once they wrapped in Martha’s Vineyard, 1513 01:06:14,095 --> 01:06:17,974 they came back to LA and they shot in the MGM tank. 1514 01:06:19,475 --> 01:06:21,561 -Want to walk the plank here Steven with the rest 1515 01:06:21,644 --> 01:06:22,644 of the guys? 1516 01:06:25,815 --> 01:06:27,275 [Steven Spielberg] We are ready. 1517 01:06:27,442 --> 01:06:29,194 -Roll B camera, please. 1518 01:06:30,153 --> 01:06:32,033 [Steven Spielberg] The whole attack in the cage, 1519 01:06:32,071 --> 01:06:34,824 of the mechanical shark attacking Richard Dreyfuss was 1520 01:06:34,908 --> 01:06:36,451 done in the tank at MGM. 1521 01:06:36,868 --> 01:06:38,369 Okay, attack. 1522 01:06:39,204 --> 01:06:40,622 [thud] 1523 01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:45,728 [Greg Nicotero] And also, the close-ups of the shark 1524 01:06:45,752 --> 01:06:48,504 on the surface with the tank in its mouth. 1525 01:06:49,214 --> 01:06:51,299 And even the shots of like the marbles that they were 1526 01:06:51,382 --> 01:06:54,594 slingshotting through the water to resemble the bullets. 1527 01:06:55,011 --> 01:06:56,280 [Steven Spielberg] Even though we wrapped 1528 01:06:56,304 --> 01:06:57,180 in Martha’s Vineyard, 1529 01:06:57,263 --> 01:06:59,307 the film kept shooting for another two months. 1530 01:06:59,807 --> 01:07:01,559 Okay, cut, cut. Cut, cut, cut. 1531 01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:04,062 Once again, right away. 1532 01:07:04,270 --> 01:07:05,748 [Steven Soderbergh] In a couple of cases, 1533 01:07:05,772 --> 01:07:10,109 he had to go rogue and pick up some of these inserts 1534 01:07:10,193 --> 01:07:13,363 on his own without really letting anybody know 1535 01:07:13,446 --> 01:07:17,325 because they told him like the spigot is off. 1536 01:07:18,534 --> 01:07:20,429 [Steven Spielberg] I actually went into my editor 1537 01:07:20,453 --> 01:07:22,330 Verna Fields’ swimming pool in the Valley, 1538 01:07:22,413 --> 01:07:24,332 I think Sherman Oaks, 1539 01:07:24,415 --> 01:07:26,251 when Hooper goes underwater and finds 1540 01:07:26,334 --> 01:07:27,710 Ben Gardner’s head, 1541 01:07:27,794 --> 01:07:29,587 we went into the pool and we shot it. 1542 01:07:30,046 --> 01:07:32,590 -He keeps going back and making changes and 1543 01:07:32,674 --> 01:07:35,260 redoing things and making them better. 1544 01:07:35,843 --> 01:07:37,637 -Hey, I got it! 1545 01:07:37,720 --> 01:07:39,555 [reel unspooling] 1546 01:07:39,639 --> 01:07:40,723 What? 1547 01:07:40,807 --> 01:07:42,267 -Get behind me. 1548 01:07:42,350 --> 01:07:43,786 -Watching Jaws for the first time it was 1549 01:07:43,810 --> 01:07:45,228 a wonderful experience. 1550 01:07:45,311 --> 01:07:48,022 I would say also very typical of Steven Spielberg and 1551 01:07:48,106 --> 01:07:51,901 his filmmaking technique and the fun that he has making films. 1552 01:07:52,110 --> 01:07:54,362 And I remember thinking and telling him it was a 1553 01:07:54,445 --> 01:07:56,447 great opportunity for me to create music 1554 01:07:56,531 --> 01:07:59,701 with a very young man that I worked with once, 1555 01:07:59,784 --> 01:08:02,203 Sugarland Express, who I liked enormously. 1556 01:08:02,287 --> 01:08:04,207 It’s only the bass that should be big on the A-D. 1557 01:08:04,289 --> 01:08:05,289 -Yeah. 1558 01:08:05,331 --> 01:08:06,651 -You have two ominous notes there. 1559 01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:10,837 [Emily Blunt] I don’t know that you can talk about Jaws without 1560 01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:14,424 talking about those two iconic notes that 1561 01:08:14,507 --> 01:08:16,134 John Williams created. 1562 01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:19,304 [Steven Spielberg] All human beings come equipped... 1563 01:08:19,595 --> 01:08:20,823 [John Williams] Okay, take, please. 1564 01:08:20,847 --> 01:08:23,683 [Steven Spielberg] ...to be able to suspend our disbelief, 1565 01:08:23,975 --> 01:08:28,146 to be transported more by music than any other 1566 01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:30,148 single art stimulus. 1567 01:08:31,774 --> 01:08:35,361 Music with our eyes closed will take us places 1568 01:08:35,445 --> 01:08:38,197 that no other medium or art form can take us. 1569 01:08:39,032 --> 01:08:42,368 John Williams told us when to react and when to 1570 01:08:42,452 --> 01:08:44,662 start getting ready for an attack. 1571 01:08:45,580 --> 01:08:47,582 -One, two, three, four. 1572 01:08:47,665 --> 01:08:49,560 [James Cameron] John Williams showed you the power of 1573 01:08:49,584 --> 01:08:52,253 just music and image and you see the victim from 1574 01:08:52,337 --> 01:08:54,672 the predator’s point of view. 1575 01:08:54,922 --> 01:08:57,675 That relentless score with the low cellos, 1576 01:08:57,759 --> 01:08:59,135 you become that shark. 1577 01:09:00,636 --> 01:09:03,348 -This idea of characterizing the shark musically. 1578 01:09:03,514 --> 01:09:05,350 -He’s taking it. He’s taking it. Hey. 1579 01:09:05,433 --> 01:09:06,869 [John Williams] Was the result of a very simple idea 1580 01:09:06,893 --> 01:09:07,935 that I had. 1581 01:09:08,019 --> 01:09:09,955 I thought maybe some kind of bum, bum, bum, bum, bum, 1582 01:09:09,979 --> 01:09:13,858 might indicate this mindless attack of the shark with this 1583 01:09:13,941 --> 01:09:15,526 relentless drive that it has. 1584 01:09:16,944 --> 01:09:18,839 And you don’t know if it will work on an audience 1585 01:09:18,863 --> 01:09:20,365 until you try it. 1586 01:09:27,705 --> 01:09:29,516 [Todd Rebello] Next door is the Island Theater. 1587 01:09:29,540 --> 01:09:31,292 It’s closed down at the moment. 1588 01:09:31,376 --> 01:09:34,587 But back in 1975, when the movie came out, 1589 01:09:34,796 --> 01:09:36,381 they had the premier there. 1590 01:09:37,048 --> 01:09:39,217 It was the biggest thing to really hit the island 1591 01:09:39,384 --> 01:09:41,219 in my lifetime at that point. 1592 01:09:44,931 --> 01:09:46,516 -When they had the debut in June, 1593 01:09:47,517 --> 01:09:49,477 it was very crowded, very hot. 1594 01:09:50,228 --> 01:09:53,314 And a bunch of us got to go in and sit upstairs which 1595 01:09:53,398 --> 01:09:55,316 is like the VIP area. 1596 01:09:56,401 --> 01:09:58,236 We didn’t know what to expect. 1597 01:09:58,861 --> 01:10:00,381 [Todd Rebello] Within 10 minutes I’m jumping out of my 1598 01:10:00,405 --> 01:10:01,489 seat and I’m saying, 1599 01:10:01,572 --> 01:10:03,550 I never saw that when I was on the beach all summer. 1600 01:10:03,574 --> 01:10:05,844 We started to realize that while we experienced this whole 1601 01:10:05,868 --> 01:10:07,870 summer on the beach, 1602 01:10:07,954 --> 01:10:10,665 we never really knew how a movie is made. 1603 01:10:11,124 --> 01:10:13,459 [Carol Fligor] My whole first time I saw it was just 1604 01:10:13,543 --> 01:10:15,837 seeing who was in it that I didn’t know. 1605 01:10:16,546 --> 01:10:19,090 [Jonathan Filley] You know, it was almost embarrassing. 1606 01:10:19,549 --> 01:10:22,260 It was the first time I’d seen myself on the screen. 1607 01:10:22,593 --> 01:10:26,597 But to see the finished product be as spectacular as it was 1608 01:10:26,723 --> 01:10:27,974 was very rewarding. 1609 01:10:28,474 --> 01:10:31,978 -David Brown and Richard Zanuck asked Peter and I to go to a 1610 01:10:32,061 --> 01:10:37,150 private screening of Jaws along with many of our dive friends, 1611 01:10:37,233 --> 01:10:40,611 Ron and Valerie Taylor, Stan Waterman. 1612 01:10:40,695 --> 01:10:43,781 And we had no idea whether this movie was going 1613 01:10:43,865 --> 01:10:47,827 to really work with people who knew the ocean and knew sharks. 1614 01:10:48,077 --> 01:10:48,911 And at the end, 1615 01:10:48,995 --> 01:10:51,998 they all got up and applauded and thought it 1616 01:10:52,081 --> 01:10:53,958 was absolutely fabulous. 1617 01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:57,712 -It was the first movie to break $100 million. 1618 01:10:57,795 --> 01:10:59,955 It annihilated the competition that had come before it, 1619 01:11:00,006 --> 01:11:01,591 The Exorcist, The Godfather. 1620 01:11:01,674 --> 01:11:02,674 Those big massive hits, 1621 01:11:02,717 --> 01:11:04,594 Jaws eclipsed them by a long, long way. 1622 01:11:04,677 --> 01:11:06,677 And then by the end of it, it actually finished its 1623 01:11:06,763 --> 01:11:09,056 domestic run and it made a quarter of a billion dollars... 1624 01:11:09,223 --> 01:11:11,642 which is over $1 billion today. 1625 01:11:12,143 --> 01:11:13,770 -There were mixed reviews. 1626 01:11:13,936 --> 01:11:15,998 The reviews at first were what we were expecting which 1627 01:11:16,022 --> 01:11:18,649 was okay, here’s a popcorn summer picture. 1628 01:11:18,733 --> 01:11:21,527 And it wasn’t until like the third month of release 1629 01:11:21,611 --> 01:11:23,488 when it kept grossing, 1630 01:11:23,654 --> 01:11:25,364 a lot of the reviewers said, you know, 1631 01:11:25,448 --> 01:11:27,742 there’s something here we missed and it turned out 1632 01:11:27,825 --> 01:11:28,826 to be true. 1633 01:11:30,453 --> 01:11:32,455 [Steven Spielberg] The summer and fall of ‘75 1634 01:11:32,538 --> 01:11:35,792 had two major events in terms of our culture. 1635 01:11:36,125 --> 01:11:37,752 Jaws became a part of the culture. 1636 01:11:38,127 --> 01:11:41,005 And they had the first live telecast of 1637 01:11:41,088 --> 01:11:42,088 Saturday Night Live. 1638 01:11:42,256 --> 01:11:45,009 -Live, from New York, it’s Saturday Night. 1639 01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:48,346 -I was in the audience when the Land Shark showed up. 1640 01:11:48,721 --> 01:11:50,890 - What is it? - Land shark. 1641 01:11:50,973 --> 01:11:52,266 -Remember? "Candy gram." 1642 01:11:52,350 --> 01:11:54,977 - Candy gram. - I thought it was hysterical. 1643 01:11:55,186 --> 01:11:56,479 [screaming] 1644 01:11:57,230 --> 01:11:58,999 [J.J. Abrams] Not only was it summer and suddenly 1645 01:11:59,023 --> 01:12:00,292 you were like afraid of going to the beach, 1646 01:12:00,316 --> 01:12:03,319 but it was also just something that was on everyone’s lips. 1647 01:12:03,861 --> 01:12:05,029 -Jaws! 1648 01:12:05,196 --> 01:12:08,825 -Jaws wasn’t just a movie, it was a pop culture phenomenon. 1649 01:12:09,283 --> 01:12:11,828 -People wanted to put things on that were about Jaws. 1650 01:12:12,453 --> 01:12:14,664 And I desperately wanted a T-shirt. 1651 01:12:16,999 --> 01:12:19,460 -The first two records I bought as a kid with 1652 01:12:19,544 --> 01:12:20,586 my own money were 1653 01:12:20,670 --> 01:12:21,879 The Godfather and Jaws. 1654 01:12:22,088 --> 01:12:23,965 -Shark’s business has been terrific. 1655 01:12:24,382 --> 01:12:26,509 Everything’s going that even looks like a shark. 1656 01:12:27,009 --> 01:12:29,303 -And I just wanted to get every little thing I could. 1657 01:12:29,387 --> 01:12:31,556 A find, toys, magazines, books. 1658 01:12:32,306 --> 01:12:34,146 [Steven Spielberg] Jaws made the cover of Time, 1659 01:12:34,225 --> 01:12:35,935 and we also made the cover of Mad Magazine. 1660 01:12:36,477 --> 01:12:39,063 I got to tell you, I was prouder of being on the cover 1661 01:12:39,146 --> 01:12:40,565 of Mad Magazine. 1662 01:12:40,731 --> 01:12:41,774 [laughs] 1663 01:12:41,858 --> 01:12:43,776 -They had towels and T-shirts. 1664 01:12:43,860 --> 01:12:47,113 There’s that great picture of Dick Zanuck sitting there with 1665 01:12:47,196 --> 01:12:48,865 all the merch around him. 1666 01:12:49,407 --> 01:12:52,910 So, it became this monster in its own right. 1667 01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:55,329 [reporter] Good ‘ole Hollywood finds out who is the 1668 01:12:55,413 --> 01:12:58,457 nominee so far for this year’s Academy Award nominations. 1669 01:12:58,666 --> 01:13:02,712 -When a film is on the cusp of being considered for awards, 1670 01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:05,089 it’s not so much what you want for yourself, 1671 01:13:05,298 --> 01:13:08,467 it’s what everybody else says is going to happen for you. 1672 01:13:08,634 --> 01:13:11,721 -Steve, if you’re not number one then I know there’s a fix in. 1673 01:13:12,263 --> 01:13:14,032 [Steven Spielberg] So, I just understood that I guess 1674 01:13:14,056 --> 01:13:15,474 I’m getting nominated. 1675 01:13:16,183 --> 01:13:18,060 So, when I wasn’t, I was surprised. 1676 01:13:18,394 --> 01:13:19,437 And I was disappointed. 1677 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,856 I wasn’t nominated for best director for Jaws. 1678 01:13:22,106 --> 01:13:24,442 Because I was believing the noise. 1679 01:13:24,775 --> 01:13:26,611 And you have to not believe that stuff. 1680 01:13:28,154 --> 01:13:29,864 But the film won for music. 1681 01:13:29,947 --> 01:13:31,157 -John Williams for Jaws. 1682 01:13:31,574 --> 01:13:32,734 [Steven Spielberg] And sound. 1683 01:13:32,783 --> 01:13:34,118 -Robert L. Hoyt, Roger Heman, 1684 01:13:34,201 --> 01:13:36,621 Earl Madery and John Carter for Jaws. 1685 01:13:37,163 --> 01:13:38,181 [Steven Spielberg] And editing. 1686 01:13:38,205 --> 01:13:40,082 -Verna Fields for Jaws. 1687 01:13:41,792 --> 01:13:44,462 [Laurent Bouzereau] And Jaws was up for best picture against 1688 01:13:44,629 --> 01:13:46,047 One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest. 1689 01:13:46,130 --> 01:13:48,549 Which of course, won the Oscar. 1690 01:13:48,633 --> 01:13:49,776 -Oh, yeah, I would’ve voted for 1691 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:51,052 One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest 1692 01:13:51,135 --> 01:13:53,554 over Jaws for best picture, I would’ve done that. 1693 01:13:54,055 --> 01:13:55,615 [reporter] You have to ask the question, 1694 01:13:55,848 --> 01:13:58,184 would people have gotten this excited over a shark two or 1695 01:13:58,267 --> 01:14:01,687 three years ago, before the book and the movie of Jaws? 1696 01:14:01,812 --> 01:14:03,957 Well, one of the crewmen on the boat that caught it said 1697 01:14:03,981 --> 01:14:06,442 two or three years ago, we wouldn’t have even taken 1698 01:14:06,525 --> 01:14:07,693 the time to catch it. 1699 01:14:08,402 --> 01:14:10,446 [Wendy Benchley] When Jaws came out, 1700 01:14:10,529 --> 01:14:13,866 we were truly horrified to see that some people took it 1701 01:14:13,950 --> 01:14:16,827 as a license to go kill sharks. 1702 01:14:19,163 --> 01:14:20,724 [Steven Spielberg] One of the bad things that came out 1703 01:14:20,748 --> 01:14:22,667 of the film was shark hunting spiked. 1704 01:14:23,292 --> 01:14:25,187 -Teeth fall out and you put them on a gold chain and 1705 01:14:25,211 --> 01:14:27,630 you go to the movie and see Jaws and you have it made. 1706 01:14:27,838 --> 01:14:29,107 Everybody thinks you’re the best. 1707 01:14:29,131 --> 01:14:31,217 -Trophy hunting was very popular. 1708 01:14:31,467 --> 01:14:36,097 And the number of white sharks had gone down as much as 80%. 1709 01:14:37,056 --> 01:14:38,557 -People wanted to be like Quint. 1710 01:14:39,308 --> 01:14:42,645 People wanted to have that trophy that they could show off. 1711 01:14:42,728 --> 01:14:45,022 -$10,000 for me by myself. 1712 01:14:45,356 --> 01:14:49,151 For that you get the head, the tail, the whole damn thing. 1713 01:14:49,485 --> 01:14:50,796 [Candace Fields] There’s definitely that kind of 1714 01:14:50,820 --> 01:14:54,824 negative connotation that came from Jaws about sharks. 1715 01:14:54,991 --> 01:14:56,259 Which is very unfortunate because I think there’s 1716 01:14:56,283 --> 01:14:57,868 other takeaways as well. 1717 01:14:58,953 --> 01:15:00,162 -The impact of the movie, 1718 01:15:00,246 --> 01:15:02,540 you know, was horrendous at first. 1719 01:15:02,873 --> 01:15:05,167 But now people are really interested in the shark itself, 1720 01:15:05,459 --> 01:15:07,253 you know, not just something scary. 1721 01:15:08,212 --> 01:15:11,799 -Because of this film, we’ve had so much energy that has 1722 01:15:11,882 --> 01:15:14,969 come into the field of learning and understanding sharks and 1723 01:15:15,052 --> 01:15:16,053 also safeguarding them. 1724 01:15:18,305 --> 01:15:20,683 [Brian Skerry] There’s hundreds of species of sharks. 1725 01:15:20,891 --> 01:15:25,021 They all do vital things keeping the ocean healthy. 1726 01:15:25,980 --> 01:15:29,066 And therefore, the scariest thing would be an 1727 01:15:29,150 --> 01:15:30,443 ocean without sharks. 1728 01:15:31,485 --> 01:15:33,612 [James Cameron] Now, we’re much more enlightened, 1729 01:15:33,946 --> 01:15:36,240 but there’s still horrific slaughter of sharks 1730 01:15:36,323 --> 01:15:37,867 going on out there. 1731 01:15:38,075 --> 01:15:40,012 There was a lot of fishing industry where they fin them 1732 01:15:40,036 --> 01:15:41,996 and they put them back in the water still alive so 1733 01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:43,748 they just sink to the bottom and die. 1734 01:15:44,206 --> 01:15:47,293 And those of us that are in ocean conservation are trying 1735 01:15:47,376 --> 01:15:48,753 to prevent that. 1736 01:15:49,086 --> 01:15:52,506 -That is the really big issue in the oceans 1737 01:15:52,631 --> 01:15:55,760 for the devastation of the shark population. 1738 01:15:57,428 --> 01:15:59,197 [Cynthia Wigren] With conservation efforts and 1739 01:15:59,221 --> 01:16:00,848 protection of the species, 1740 01:16:00,931 --> 01:16:03,642 we’re seeing the population start to rebound. 1741 01:16:03,893 --> 01:16:06,228 -Today, if a shark washes up on a beach, 1742 01:16:06,312 --> 01:16:07,330 which has actually happened, 1743 01:16:07,354 --> 01:16:09,732 now we see people trying to get this animal back 1744 01:16:09,815 --> 01:16:11,525 into the water and resuscitate it. 1745 01:16:11,984 --> 01:16:14,236 That would’ve never happened 50 years ago. 1746 01:16:15,237 --> 01:16:17,823 [Wendy Benchley] The negative reaction hurt us 1747 01:16:17,907 --> 01:16:18,741 and horrified us. 1748 01:16:18,824 --> 01:16:22,870 And we became passionate defenders of sharks. 1749 01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,581 We went with the National Geographic on 1750 01:16:25,664 --> 01:16:29,627 expeditions and we were so fortunate to learn with 1751 01:16:29,710 --> 01:16:31,212 these scientists and other experts. 1752 01:16:31,587 --> 01:16:34,131 [Peter Benchley] After all of this time of being aware 1753 01:16:34,215 --> 01:16:37,802 of and fishing for and somehow encouraging the animal, 1754 01:16:38,010 --> 01:16:39,410 now the time has come to protect it. 1755 01:16:39,970 --> 01:16:41,972 [Wendy Benchley] Peter died in ’06. 1756 01:16:42,306 --> 01:16:45,976 And I wish he were here now to be able to see all of these 1757 01:16:46,060 --> 01:16:49,730 changes and to see that Jaws is still relevant 1758 01:16:49,814 --> 01:16:51,190 after 50 years. 1759 01:16:51,482 --> 01:16:53,692 I think he’d be very, very pleased. 1760 01:16:55,945 --> 01:16:58,280 -We’ve also got people outside of the immediate 1761 01:16:58,364 --> 01:17:00,574 Jaws family picking up the gauntlet and driving 1762 01:17:00,658 --> 01:17:01,867 the legacy forward. 1763 01:17:02,368 --> 01:17:03,911 Like Robert Shaw’s son, 1764 01:17:03,994 --> 01:17:05,329 who has co-written a play called 1765 01:17:05,412 --> 01:17:07,706 The Shark is Broken about the making of Jaws which is 1766 01:17:07,790 --> 01:17:09,834 set on the Orca in which he plays his dad. 1767 01:17:10,918 --> 01:17:12,169 -Who gets top billing? 1768 01:17:12,461 --> 01:17:15,881 -There’s such a generosity of feeling towards Jaws and 1769 01:17:15,965 --> 01:17:19,552 there is such a desire to revisit and go back. 1770 01:17:20,177 --> 01:17:21,887 My father would’ve been shocked. 1771 01:17:22,388 --> 01:17:26,600 The idea that 50 years later people would still be quite so 1772 01:17:26,684 --> 01:17:30,020 interested, he would think it would be like some sort of 1773 01:17:30,104 --> 01:17:31,689 weird religious cult. 1774 01:17:31,897 --> 01:17:33,315 -I honest to God thought, 1775 01:17:33,399 --> 01:17:35,317 I was really the only Jaws fan out there. 1776 01:17:35,568 --> 01:17:37,236 And then came the Internet. 1777 01:17:37,987 --> 01:17:40,197 Now on Facebook there’s Jaws groups, 1778 01:17:40,281 --> 01:17:42,283 Instagram has Jaws groups. 1779 01:17:42,366 --> 01:17:44,243 The Daily JAWS is out there. 1780 01:17:44,702 --> 01:17:46,972 [Ross Williams] The goal was to post something about Jaws on 1781 01:17:46,996 --> 01:17:50,166 social media every day to celebrate the 40th anniversary. 1782 01:17:51,292 --> 01:17:53,752 People were really resonating with what we were posting. 1783 01:17:53,836 --> 01:17:55,838 And people said, you’ve got to keep going. 1784 01:17:55,921 --> 01:17:57,381 So, 10 years later, here we are. 1785 01:17:57,965 --> 01:18:01,760 -Just last week I was at a grocery store and on the inside 1786 01:18:01,844 --> 01:18:03,888 of the grocery cart it said, 1787 01:18:03,971 --> 01:18:05,681 "You’re going to need a bigger cart." 1788 01:18:06,932 --> 01:18:08,976 [Ross Williams] Jaws has become one of these movies 1789 01:18:09,059 --> 01:18:11,020 that’s kind of taken on a life of its own in 1790 01:18:11,103 --> 01:18:12,438 terms of the meme community. 1791 01:18:12,646 --> 01:18:14,231 There’s quite a few. 1792 01:18:14,690 --> 01:18:16,418 [Austin Gallagher] When you look on your phone and 1793 01:18:16,442 --> 01:18:17,482 you’re looking at the map, 1794 01:18:17,526 --> 01:18:19,945 you see Jaws bridge as one of the locations 1795 01:18:20,029 --> 01:18:21,405 on Google maps. 1796 01:18:21,989 --> 01:18:25,492 They have names of drinks at bars named after Jaws. 1797 01:18:25,743 --> 01:18:28,078 [Jordan Peele] For the beach scene in Us, 1798 01:18:28,162 --> 01:18:32,791 I remember begging Steven to allow me to use the Jaws shirt 1799 01:18:32,875 --> 01:18:35,711 in my scene because what he was doing with Hitchcock, 1800 01:18:35,794 --> 01:18:38,505 I was piggybacking and sort of doing with him. 1801 01:18:38,881 --> 01:18:42,384 [Greg Nicotero] There’s still Jaws merchandise being created. 1802 01:18:45,471 --> 01:18:47,223 There’s a Lego coming out. 1803 01:18:47,306 --> 01:18:49,475 There’s people doing T-shirts and posters. 1804 01:18:49,642 --> 01:18:52,186 And people are still buying it because they’re still drawn to 1805 01:18:52,269 --> 01:18:54,605 everything associated with Jaws. 1806 01:18:54,772 --> 01:18:56,815 -My theme of my birthday party when I was 1807 01:18:56,899 --> 01:18:58,067 like two years old was Jaws. 1808 01:18:58,150 --> 01:18:59,693 - What? - Mm-hmm. 1809 01:19:01,028 --> 01:19:03,864 -You know it’s very interesting about this, Laurent, you know, 1810 01:19:03,948 --> 01:19:06,200 the shower scene in Psycho. 1811 01:19:06,283 --> 01:19:08,202 [plays Psycho notes] 1812 01:19:08,369 --> 01:19:10,913 That, which terrified us when we saw the movie. 1813 01:19:10,996 --> 01:19:13,707 And now if I say it to an audience and demonstrate 1814 01:19:13,791 --> 01:19:15,000 something they all laugh. 1815 01:19:15,167 --> 01:19:17,127 It becomes funny. What also is funny... 1816 01:19:17,211 --> 01:19:18,879 [plays Jaws notes] 1817 01:19:18,963 --> 01:19:20,381 they will laugh. 1818 01:19:20,464 --> 01:19:24,009 So, there’s been a change of response over the years 1819 01:19:24,093 --> 01:19:26,011 to something that actually when we first, 1820 01:19:26,095 --> 01:19:28,180 in the context for which it was written, 1821 01:19:28,264 --> 01:19:30,975 has become now a cultural thing. 1822 01:19:31,225 --> 01:19:33,018 Where it’s going to be 50 years from now, 1823 01:19:33,102 --> 01:19:34,311 I don’t know. 1824 01:19:34,937 --> 01:19:36,772 [Greg Nicotero] All right, it’s January 12th, 1825 01:19:36,855 --> 01:19:41,277 so we have successfully stripped all of the 1826 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:43,737 textured paint off. 1827 01:19:44,321 --> 01:19:47,241 In 1991, the shark ended up in a junkyard. 1828 01:19:47,574 --> 01:19:49,118 The junkyard was closing. 1829 01:19:49,201 --> 01:19:52,621 It got donated to the Motion Picture Academy Museum. 1830 01:19:52,705 --> 01:19:53,580 And I reached out to them. 1831 01:19:53,664 --> 01:19:57,501 And I said I would love to do the restoration. 1832 01:19:57,584 --> 01:19:58,919 I’m friends with Joe Alves. 1833 01:19:59,003 --> 01:20:00,462 We can consult. 1834 01:20:00,546 --> 01:20:03,132 I have access to all the original teeth because the 1835 01:20:03,215 --> 01:20:05,217 inside of the mouth needed to be sculpted. 1836 01:20:05,634 --> 01:20:07,469 The gills needed to be sculpted. 1837 01:20:07,553 --> 01:20:08,762 Some of the fins were gone. 1838 01:20:08,846 --> 01:20:13,976 As you can see, it’s really in fantastic condition underneath. 1839 01:20:14,810 --> 01:20:17,813 And we had a crew of about nine people and it took us 1840 01:20:17,896 --> 01:20:19,857 about six months. 1841 01:20:20,858 --> 01:20:22,985 So, I donated a lot of the labor because I really 1842 01:20:23,068 --> 01:20:24,403 wanted to do it. 1843 01:20:24,486 --> 01:20:27,239 And low and behold, now it exists again. 1844 01:20:32,911 --> 01:20:34,180 [Steven Spielberg] When you make a film, 1845 01:20:34,204 --> 01:20:35,265 at least when I make a film, 1846 01:20:35,289 --> 01:20:36,349 I have to be passionate about the subject matter. 1847 01:20:36,373 --> 01:20:37,892 I have to know that that’s all I want to do for 1848 01:20:37,916 --> 01:20:39,001 the next couple of years. 1849 01:20:39,084 --> 01:20:40,854 And I have to know that’s where my lifestyle will be 1850 01:20:40,878 --> 01:20:41,962 two years from now. 1851 01:20:42,046 --> 01:20:43,982 So, I just think it’s very important to, you know, 1852 01:20:44,006 --> 01:20:46,216 to spend the time and you know, 1853 01:20:46,300 --> 01:20:49,595 consider each film kind of the beginning, 1854 01:20:49,678 --> 01:20:51,013 middle, and end of your life. 1855 01:20:51,722 --> 01:20:54,183 I had a real tough time when I finished the movie. 1856 01:20:54,266 --> 01:20:56,977 And the success was fantastic but it didn’t 1857 01:20:57,061 --> 01:20:58,437 stop the nightmares. 1858 01:20:58,645 --> 01:21:00,665 It didn’t stop me waking up in the middle of the night 1859 01:21:00,689 --> 01:21:03,984 in a cold sweat where the sheets would be soaking wet. 1860 01:21:04,276 --> 01:21:07,112 We didn’t have the words PTSD in those days. 1861 01:21:07,196 --> 01:21:09,948 And I had consistent nightmares about directing Jaws 1862 01:21:10,032 --> 01:21:11,575 for years afterwards. 1863 01:21:11,742 --> 01:21:14,328 I was still on the movie and the film was never ending. 1864 01:21:14,411 --> 01:21:17,373 When they brought one of the boats all the way back from 1865 01:21:17,456 --> 01:21:19,833 Martha’s Vineyard and shipped the boat, the Orca, 1866 01:21:19,917 --> 01:21:22,336 to the Universal back lot and put it in the water right 1867 01:21:22,419 --> 01:21:24,046 next to the Jaws ride, 1868 01:21:26,548 --> 01:21:28,550 I used to get in my electric cart without 1869 01:21:28,634 --> 01:21:31,470 telling anybody, and I would sneak behind the trams, 1870 01:21:31,762 --> 01:21:35,391 nobody could see me, and I’d just sneak on board the boat 1871 01:21:35,474 --> 01:21:40,104 and I would sit in the cabin in that little leather red booth 1872 01:21:41,063 --> 01:21:44,024 and I would just sit there and sometimes cry. 1873 01:21:44,650 --> 01:21:45,668 And I had nothing to cry about. 1874 01:21:45,692 --> 01:21:47,903 The film was this phenomenon and I’m sitting 1875 01:21:47,986 --> 01:21:50,155 here shedding tears. 1876 01:21:50,489 --> 01:21:55,285 Because I’m not able to divest myself of the experience. 1877 01:21:55,869 --> 01:21:58,414 The boat helped me to begin to forget. 1878 01:21:58,664 --> 01:22:04,253 That Orca was my therapeutic companion for several years 1879 01:22:04,336 --> 01:22:05,796 after Jaws came out. 1880 01:22:08,549 --> 01:22:10,551 [Greg Nicotero] Jaws has transcended time 1881 01:22:10,634 --> 01:22:13,971 because it’s built this mythology. 1882 01:22:14,054 --> 01:22:17,015 And aside from the fact that it’s a great movie, 1883 01:22:17,099 --> 01:22:20,227 it’s also a unique cautionary tale about filmmaking. 1884 01:22:21,979 --> 01:22:26,483 People are still enthralled with how man slayed the beast. 1885 01:22:27,484 --> 01:22:29,570 -Break it up, will you chief? 1886 01:22:29,653 --> 01:22:31,321 Daylight’s wasting. 1887 01:22:32,030 --> 01:22:36,660 [Jordan Peele] This was a movie that taught me that horror 1888 01:22:37,035 --> 01:22:41,748 didn’t have to be something that left me feeling icky. 1889 01:22:43,500 --> 01:22:44,960 -You okay? 1890 01:22:45,252 --> 01:22:48,088 [Janet Maslin] It hasn’t lost a minute in terms of timeliness. 1891 01:22:48,881 --> 01:22:51,425 If anything, it seems fresher to me now than it did then. 1892 01:22:51,884 --> 01:22:55,095 We’re more afraid of the natural world than we were. 1893 01:22:55,262 --> 01:22:58,974 And we’re more acclimated to the same kind of corruption 1894 01:22:59,224 --> 01:23:01,727 where politicians will do anything to hide what they 1895 01:23:01,810 --> 01:23:03,520 don’t want you to know. 1896 01:23:04,605 --> 01:23:06,332 [Robert Zemeckis] I think it’s fair to say the cinema wouldn’t 1897 01:23:06,356 --> 01:23:08,442 be where it is without Jaws. 1898 01:23:08,942 --> 01:23:12,446 It just supercharged the language of cinema. 1899 01:23:12,821 --> 01:23:14,132 -Hurry up, he’s coming straight for us. 1900 01:23:14,156 --> 01:23:15,073 Don’t screw it up, now. 1901 01:23:15,157 --> 01:23:16,158 -Don’t wait for me. 1902 01:23:17,075 --> 01:23:20,037 -Jaws moved the bar in terms of audiences and 1903 01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:21,705 what kind of thrill they might get. 1904 01:23:25,542 --> 01:23:27,823 [Carl Gotlieb] It’s only the audience that makes it a hit. 1905 01:23:28,337 --> 01:23:30,297 And after 50 years, they’ve been telling us, okay, 1906 01:23:30,380 --> 01:23:32,090 Jaws is a hit. We like this movie. 1907 01:23:32,382 --> 01:23:35,469 [Emily Blunt] It’s an endless conversation you can have about 1908 01:23:35,552 --> 01:23:37,679 Jaws and all the details forever seem to 1909 01:23:37,763 --> 01:23:39,264 reveal themselves to me. 1910 01:23:39,556 --> 01:23:41,517 You kind of notice something new every time. 1911 01:23:41,850 --> 01:23:44,436 [Cameron Crowe] I love that film can morph into being one 1912 01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:46,480 thing for one generation and then another thing to 1913 01:23:46,563 --> 01:23:48,315 the next generation. 1914 01:23:48,815 --> 01:23:50,234 -One of my favorite lines is... 1915 01:23:50,317 --> 01:23:52,694 -Michael, did you hear your father? 1916 01:23:52,778 --> 01:23:54,613 out of the water. Now! 1917 01:23:54,696 --> 01:23:56,323 Now! 1918 01:23:56,657 --> 01:23:58,408 I love that scene. 1919 01:23:59,576 --> 01:24:02,204 [Jeffrey Kramer] The lesson in cinema for me with Steven 1920 01:24:02,454 --> 01:24:06,667 in particular is the ability to make things work when 1921 01:24:06,750 --> 01:24:08,210 nothing is working. 1922 01:24:08,544 --> 01:24:09,670 -You have to... 1923 01:24:09,753 --> 01:24:11,689 -I want to get this boat out because we can't be out there... 1924 01:24:11,713 --> 01:24:13,566 [Ian Shaw] The whole thing’s a complete mess but it ends up 1925 01:24:13,590 --> 01:24:17,010 being this symphony where everything just comes together. 1926 01:24:17,761 --> 01:24:19,471 The editing, the music, the acting, 1927 01:24:19,888 --> 01:24:21,640 the wonderful direction. 1928 01:24:21,848 --> 01:24:24,351 [Guillermo Del Toro] A wise director understands that 1929 01:24:24,434 --> 01:24:27,229 directing is hostage negotiation with reality. 1930 01:24:27,563 --> 01:24:30,357 And the movie is as flawless today as it will be 1931 01:24:30,440 --> 01:24:31,692 100 years from now. 1932 01:24:33,860 --> 01:24:36,738 [Steven Soderbergh] It’s one of those rare occurrences 1933 01:24:37,030 --> 01:24:41,702 where a generational phenomenon turns out to 1934 01:24:41,785 --> 01:24:43,579 also be a masterpiece. 1935 01:24:46,123 --> 01:24:48,184 [James Cameron] I think certain films just get a status. 1936 01:24:48,208 --> 01:24:49,209 -Quint! 1937 01:24:49,293 --> 01:24:50,853 [James Cameron] There have been movies made since 1938 01:24:50,877 --> 01:24:53,547 using CG sharks that aren’t nearly as good. 1939 01:24:53,839 --> 01:24:56,758 It was those actors in that moment in history with 1940 01:24:56,842 --> 01:24:59,219 that director and no one ever having seen 1941 01:24:59,303 --> 01:25:00,637 anything like that before. 1942 01:25:03,765 --> 01:25:05,851 Some films just hit that perfection. 1943 01:25:06,143 --> 01:25:08,729 They become sharks. They’re perfect machines. 1944 01:25:12,733 --> 01:25:15,861 -To me, Jaws was a life-altering experience. 1945 01:25:16,278 --> 01:25:17,278 On the one hand, 1946 01:25:17,321 --> 01:25:20,365 it was a traumatizing experience for me that was 1947 01:25:20,449 --> 01:25:22,784 mostly about survival. 1948 01:25:22,868 --> 01:25:23,869 [sigh] 1949 01:25:23,952 --> 01:25:25,430 [Steven Spielberg] And I think all of us feel we 1950 01:25:25,454 --> 01:25:27,247 survived something. 1951 01:25:27,664 --> 01:25:30,167 Jaws, also, I owe everything to. 1952 01:25:30,292 --> 01:25:32,586 Because of Jaws I got final cut and I’ve had it for the 1953 01:25:32,669 --> 01:25:34,171 past 50 years. 1954 01:25:35,547 --> 01:25:39,468 And I just hope that all the people that worked on Jaws, 1955 01:25:41,845 --> 01:25:45,474 wore that experience proudly like a badge of honor. 1956 01:25:48,352 --> 01:25:52,105 And was able to go through life in the glory of the success 1957 01:25:52,189 --> 01:25:55,651 that Jaws became, to be able to say, 1958 01:25:56,026 --> 01:25:59,821 each individually, hey, I helped make that movie. 1959 01:26:01,782 --> 01:26:07,204 I helped tell that story. I share in its success. 1960 01:26:08,997 --> 01:26:11,458 [Brody] I used to hate the water. 1961 01:26:11,875 --> 01:26:14,503 [Hooper] I can’t imagine why. 1962 01:26:16,421 --> 01:26:20,884 [♪ orchestral music playing] 1963 01:26:32,854 --> 01:26:37,651 [♪ orchestral music playing] 1964 01:26:51,581 --> 01:26:56,253 [♪ orchestral music playing] 1965 01:27:11,768 --> 01:27:17,399 [♪ orchestral music playing] 1966 01:27:40,547 --> 01:27:44,760 [♪ orchestral music playing] 1966 01:27:45,305 --> 01:28:45,388 Do you want subtitles for any video? -=[ ai.OpenSubtitles.com ]=-