Thirty Two Short Films About Glenn Gould

1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Watch Online Movies and Series for FREE www.osdb.link/lm 2 00:03:45,058 --> 00:03:48,103 My mother tells me that by 5 years old 3 00:03:48,270 --> 00:03:52,524 I had decided definitively to become a concert pianist. 4 00:03:53,483 --> 00:03:56,570 I think she had decided some time earlier. 5 00:03:57,195 --> 00:04:00,115 The story goes that while I was in the womb, 6 00:04:00,282 --> 00:04:04,578 <i>she played the piano continuously to give me a head start,</i> 7 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,164 and evidently, it paid off. 8 00:04:09,166 --> 00:04:12,836 My mother was my first teacher, and I've never doubted her methods. 9 00:04:13,003 --> 00:04:15,422 After all, she introduced me to Bach. 10 00:04:16,089 --> 00:04:18,759 Oh, good. Try another. 11 00:04:21,511 --> 00:04:23,263 By the age of 10, 12 00:04:23,430 --> 00:04:26,224 I had the first book of The Well-Tempered Clavier 13 00:04:26,391 --> 00:04:28,101 pretty much under my belt. 14 00:04:28,268 --> 00:04:30,729 Good. Oh, that's very good. 15 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,524 Very good. Let's try one up at this end here. 16 00:04:35,734 --> 00:04:40,363 My childhood was full of music, even at our cottage on Lake Simcoe. 17 00:04:40,864 --> 00:04:44,743 <i>Those days seemed particularly idyllic to me, at least in retrospect.</i> 18 00:04:44,910 --> 00:04:45,660 Go ahead. 19 00:04:45,827 --> 00:04:48,622 They certainly were compared to my school days. 20 00:04:51,124 --> 00:04:52,417 Very good. 21 00:05:08,850 --> 00:05:12,604 Eighty-seven times 23 equals 2001. 22 00:05:12,771 --> 00:05:17,025 At an early age, I could read music and memorize it on the spot. 23 00:05:17,192 --> 00:05:20,737 In fact, I could read music before I could read words. 24 00:05:21,613 --> 00:05:24,074 I remember I used to play a game with my mother 25 00:05:24,241 --> 00:05:26,409 where I would identify the chords she played 26 00:05:26,576 --> 00:05:28,453 from the other side of the house. 27 00:05:28,620 --> 00:05:30,080 Eighty-seven times... 28 00:05:30,247 --> 00:05:33,416 People always seem to make a great deal out of these early signs, 29 00:05:33,583 --> 00:05:37,462 but they hardly constitute miracles, in my opinion. 30 00:05:38,171 --> 00:05:42,092 I simply have a facility with a certain kind of minutiae. 31 00:05:42,926 --> 00:05:43,969 I always have. 32 00:05:44,135 --> 00:05:48,473 Eighty-seven times 26 equals 2262. 33 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,517 Eighty-seven times 8... 34 00:05:50,684 --> 00:05:55,522 Eighty-seven times 27 equals 2349. 35 00:05:55,689 --> 00:06:01,069 Eighty-seven times 28 equals 2436. 36 00:06:01,236 --> 00:06:02,654 Eighty-seven times... 37 00:06:05,824 --> 00:06:10,412 I often think how fortunate I was to have been brought up 38 00:06:10,579 --> 00:06:14,833 in an environment where music was always present. 39 00:06:15,959 --> 00:06:18,420 Who knows what would have become of me otherwise? 40 00:06:19,588 --> 00:06:22,465 It's a question I often ask myself, 41 00:06:23,717 --> 00:06:27,345 but... I've yet to come up with an answer. 42 00:08:30,677 --> 00:08:35,765 The first time I saw him was in a hotel in Toronto where, 43 00:08:35,932 --> 00:08:41,062 after numerous telephone conversations, we decided to meet face-to-face. 44 00:08:41,229 --> 00:08:44,315 It was 30 degrees Celsius outside, really hot, 45 00:08:44,482 --> 00:08:47,527 but he was wearing an overcoat, hat, scarf and gloves! 46 00:08:47,694 --> 00:08:50,196 In short, it was a getup that appeared extraordinary 47 00:08:50,363 --> 00:08:54,576 but actually provided exactly the kind of protection he required 48 00:08:54,743 --> 00:08:58,913 from those things in the world that killed him: 49 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,751 infection, high blood pressure, et cetera. 50 00:09:03,418 --> 00:09:09,549 Imagine how shocking it was to see this character for the first time. 51 00:09:09,716 --> 00:09:14,387 I couldn't help but be taken aback by his hobo-like appearance. 52 00:09:14,888 --> 00:09:21,144 He would come to my hotel room and stay for 18 hours at a stretch. 53 00:09:22,937 --> 00:09:26,983 He would have no concern for the outside world or food 54 00:09:27,150 --> 00:09:30,653 or anything that didn't relate to the rapport we were developing. 55 00:09:30,820 --> 00:09:33,823 Another thing that struck me was his sense of humor, 56 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:40,163 his extraordinary ability to amuse himself and to throw out ideas 57 00:09:40,330 --> 00:09:43,917 that were often as stimulating in their depth as they were funny. 58 00:09:44,959 --> 00:09:51,966 That eccentric manner was your first impression of him, 59 00:09:52,133 --> 00:09:55,178 but it was fleeting. 60 00:09:57,013 --> 00:10:02,685 It disappeared quite quickly, to be replaced by the real man, 61 00:10:02,852 --> 00:10:09,192 who was in no way trying to shock, but simply to express himself. 62 00:10:21,788 --> 00:10:24,958 Mr. Gould, to begin, let me ask straight-out, 63 00:10:25,125 --> 00:10:26,584 are there any off-limit areas? 64 00:10:27,710 --> 00:10:31,256 I certainly can't think of any, apart from music, of course. 65 00:10:31,422 --> 00:10:33,299 Well, I don't want to go back on my word. 66 00:10:33,466 --> 00:10:35,593 I realize that your participation in this interview 67 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:38,805 was never contractually confirmed, but I had rather assumed 68 00:10:38,972 --> 00:10:41,808 that we'd spend the bulk of the interview on music-related matters. 69 00:10:41,975 --> 00:10:43,393 Do you think it's essential? 70 00:10:44,018 --> 00:10:46,646 I mean, my own personal philosophy of interviewing, 71 00:10:46,813 --> 00:10:49,566 and I've done quite a bit of it on the air, as perhaps you know, 72 00:10:49,732 --> 00:10:53,444 is that the most illuminating disclosures usually derive from areas 73 00:10:53,611 --> 00:10:56,406 only indirectly related to the interviewee's line of work. 74 00:10:56,573 --> 00:10:58,158 -For example? -Well, for example, 75 00:10:58,324 --> 00:11:00,577 in the course of preparing radio documentaries, 76 00:11:00,743 --> 00:11:03,288 I've interviewed a theologian about technology, 77 00:11:03,454 --> 00:11:05,206 a surveyor about William James, 78 00:11:05,373 --> 00:11:08,293 and a housewife about acquisitiveness in the art market. 79 00:11:08,459 --> 00:11:11,254 But surely you've interviewed musicians about music? 80 00:11:11,421 --> 00:11:13,047 Well, yes I have, on occasion, 81 00:11:13,214 --> 00:11:15,675 but only in order to put them at ease in front of the mic. 82 00:11:15,842 --> 00:11:20,013 But it's been far more instructive to talk with Leopold Stokowski 83 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:22,557 about the prospect for interplanetary travel, 84 00:11:22,724 --> 00:11:25,185 -which is, I'm sure you'll agree-- -Let me put it this way. 85 00:11:25,351 --> 00:11:27,937 Is there a subject you'd particularly like to discuss? 86 00:11:28,730 --> 00:11:31,691 What about Native rights in Alaska? 87 00:11:31,858 --> 00:11:35,528 Well, I must confess I had a rather more conventional line of attack, 88 00:11:35,695 --> 00:11:37,572 so to speak, in mind, Mr. Gould. 89 00:11:38,114 --> 00:11:41,618 As I'm sure you're aware, the virtually obligatory question 90 00:11:41,784 --> 00:11:44,078 in regard to your career is the controversy you created 91 00:11:44,245 --> 00:11:46,539 by giving up live concert performance at the age of 32 92 00:11:46,706 --> 00:11:48,833 and choosing to communicate only through the media. 93 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:50,919 I do feel we must at least touch on it. 94 00:11:51,085 --> 00:11:53,463 As far as I'm concerned, it primarily involves 95 00:11:53,630 --> 00:11:55,632 moral rather than musical considerations. 96 00:11:55,798 --> 00:11:57,258 In any case, be my guest. 97 00:11:57,425 --> 00:12:00,595 You've been quoted as saying that your involvement with recording, 98 00:12:00,762 --> 00:12:03,139 with media in general indeed, represents the future. 99 00:12:03,306 --> 00:12:05,642 -That's correct. -And that conversely, the concert hall, 100 00:12:05,808 --> 00:12:09,103 the recital stage, the opera house, or whatever, represent the past, 101 00:12:09,270 --> 00:12:11,731 an aspect of your own past in particular, perhaps, 102 00:12:11,898 --> 00:12:14,567 as well as, in more general terms, music's past. 103 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:15,735 That's true. 104 00:12:15,902 --> 00:12:19,948 I hope you'll forgive me for saying that these ideas are only partly justified. 105 00:12:20,114 --> 00:12:23,534 Also, I feel that you, Mr. Gould, have foregone the privilege 106 00:12:23,701 --> 00:12:26,955 that is rightfully yours of communicating with an audience. 107 00:12:28,039 --> 00:12:29,082 From a power base? 108 00:12:29,249 --> 00:12:32,252 From a setting in which the naked fact of your humanity 109 00:12:32,418 --> 00:12:35,046 is unedited and unadorned. 110 00:12:35,213 --> 00:12:39,008 Couldn't I at least be allowed to display the tuxedoed fallacy, perhaps? 111 00:12:39,175 --> 00:12:42,136 Please, I don't feel we should allow this conversation to degenerate. 112 00:12:42,303 --> 00:12:44,806 I've tried to pose the question in all candor and-- 113 00:12:44,973 --> 00:12:47,517 Well, then, I'll try and answer likewise. 114 00:12:48,893 --> 00:12:52,563 To me, the ideal audience-to-artist relationship 115 00:12:52,730 --> 00:12:55,108 is a one-to-zero relationship. 116 00:12:55,275 --> 00:12:57,318 That's where the moral objection comes in. 117 00:12:57,485 --> 00:12:58,695 Run that by me again? 118 00:12:58,861 --> 00:13:02,615 First, I'm not at all happy with words like "public” and "artist.” 119 00:13:02,782 --> 00:13:05,076 I'm not happy with the hierarchical implications 120 00:13:05,243 --> 00:13:06,577 of that kind of terminology. 121 00:13:06,744 --> 00:13:09,080 The artist should be granted anonymity. 122 00:13:09,247 --> 00:13:12,834 He should be permitted to operate in secret, as it were, unconcerned with, 123 00:13:13,001 --> 00:13:16,379 or better still, unaware of, the presumed demands of the marketplace, 124 00:13:16,546 --> 00:13:18,381 which demands, given sufficient indifference 125 00:13:18,548 --> 00:13:22,010 on the part of a sufficient number of artists, will simply disappear. 126 00:13:22,176 --> 00:13:23,594 Given that disappearance, 127 00:13:23,761 --> 00:13:28,224 the artist will then abandon his false sense of public responsibility, 128 00:13:28,391 --> 00:13:30,435 and his audience, or "public," 129 00:13:30,601 --> 00:13:34,188 will relinquish its role of servile dependency. 130 00:13:34,355 --> 00:13:36,149 And never the twain shall meet. 131 00:13:36,316 --> 00:13:39,068 No, they'll make contact but on a much more meaningful level. 132 00:13:39,235 --> 00:13:44,240 Well, Mr. Gould, I'm well aware that this sort of idealistic role-swapping 133 00:13:44,407 --> 00:13:45,908 has a certain rhetorical flourish. 134 00:13:46,075 --> 00:13:47,702 The creative-audience concept, 135 00:13:47,869 --> 00:13:50,705 to which you've devoted a lot of interview space elsewhere, 136 00:13:50,872 --> 00:13:52,832 has a kind of McLuhanesque fascination, 137 00:13:52,999 --> 00:13:55,793 but yet you conveniently forget that the artist, 138 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,839 however hermetic his lifestyle, is still in effect an autocratic figure. 139 00:14:00,006 --> 00:14:02,592 He's still, however benevolently, a social dictator, 140 00:14:02,759 --> 00:14:06,220 and his public, however generously enfranchised by electronic options, 141 00:14:06,387 --> 00:14:08,556 is still on the receiving end of the experience. 142 00:14:09,557 --> 00:14:13,853 And all your neo-medieval anonymity quest on behalf of the artist as zero, 143 00:14:14,020 --> 00:14:16,606 and all your vertical pan-culturalism on behalf of his public, 144 00:14:16,773 --> 00:14:18,941 -isn't going to change that. -May I speak now? 145 00:14:19,108 --> 00:14:20,943 Of course. I didn't mean to get carried away. 146 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:24,113 -But I do feel strongly about-- -About the artist as superman? 147 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:25,573 That's not quite fair. 148 00:14:25,740 --> 00:14:29,660 Or about the interlocutor as controller of conversation, perhaps? 149 00:14:29,827 --> 00:14:31,120 There's no need to be rude. 150 00:14:36,918 --> 00:14:38,044 What about this? 151 00:14:39,212 --> 00:14:40,838 If you imagine... 152 00:14:41,005 --> 00:14:43,132 ...that the artist is... 153 00:15:12,703 --> 00:15:16,207 Yes, that's right. 154 00:15:16,374 --> 00:15:17,291 Toronto. 155 00:15:18,042 --> 00:15:20,628 - Toronto, Canada. - Go ahead. 156 00:15:20,795 --> 00:15:22,588 It should read as follows: 157 00:15:23,172 --> 00:15:26,759 -Dear Walter. Stop. -Dear Walter. Stop. 158 00:15:26,926 --> 00:15:29,762 Under the weather yesterday. Stop. 159 00:15:30,471 --> 00:15:33,933 X-rays reveal chronic bronchitis... 160 00:15:34,517 --> 00:15:38,438 Bronchitis in right lung. Stop. 161 00:15:39,397 --> 00:15:43,568 Feeling as foggy as it is outside. Stop. 162 00:15:45,111 --> 00:15:48,239 Little comfort from dubious doctor. 163 00:15:48,406 --> 00:15:49,574 Stop. 164 00:15:50,283 --> 00:15:53,995 It would suit you perfectly. Stop. 165 00:15:54,537 --> 00:15:58,374 Concerts tomorrow and Monday canceled. Stop. 166 00:15:58,541 --> 00:16:02,545 Cannot and will not leave this room. Stop. End. 167 00:16:02,712 --> 00:16:04,797 I'm sorry to disturb, but we have a picture. 168 00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:05,882 -New York? -Yes, Sir. 169 00:16:06,048 --> 00:16:08,885 Yes? At last. Excellent. Thank you. Uh... 170 00:16:10,761 --> 00:16:11,804 Danke. 171 00:16:12,722 --> 00:16:16,267 Yes, that would be it, indeed. Could you read that back to me, please? 172 00:16:16,434 --> 00:16:19,061 Wait. Please stay. 173 00:16:22,190 --> 00:16:24,775 No. No, I... 174 00:16:24,942 --> 00:16:28,988 Concerts tomorrow and Monday "canceled," of course, not "can't sell.” 175 00:16:29,155 --> 00:16:30,907 That means something entirely different. 176 00:16:34,035 --> 00:16:35,244 No, no. 177 00:16:36,078 --> 00:16:37,455 Go ahead. 178 00:16:41,417 --> 00:16:42,418 Mm-hm. 179 00:16:45,296 --> 00:16:46,297 Yes. 180 00:16:48,925 --> 00:16:51,761 Well, that's absolutely flawless. 181 00:16:51,928 --> 00:16:54,180 Could you sent it off immediately, please? 182 00:16:54,347 --> 00:16:57,767 Room 318. 183 00:17:00,853 --> 00:17:01,854 Thank you. 184 00:19:07,188 --> 00:19:08,314 Danke schoen. 185 00:19:56,570 --> 00:20:03,244 Salzburg to Stockholm, Berlin, Wiesbaden, Florence, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, 186 00:20:03,411 --> 00:20:09,125 and on the whole tour, I'd say there were maybe six good hotel rooms, 187 00:20:09,291 --> 00:20:14,380 five comfortable beds, and at least three adequate pianos. 188 00:20:16,966 --> 00:20:19,510 Some of these pianos were so hopelessly unwieldy, 189 00:20:19,677 --> 00:20:21,762 I decided it was best just to ignore them. 190 00:20:21,929 --> 00:20:24,390 It required a kind of mystical transcendence 191 00:20:24,557 --> 00:20:25,641 <i>to get me through.</i> 192 00:20:27,935 --> 00:20:30,396 I have no idea what the audience resorted to. 193 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,733 I'm not one of those piano freaks, you know. 194 00:20:33,899 --> 00:20:35,860 Of course, I'm aware there are people 195 00:20:36,026 --> 00:20:38,195 who would gladly sit in the most uncomfortable chair 196 00:20:38,362 --> 00:20:40,281 with 3000 other people in uncomfortable chairs 197 00:20:40,448 --> 00:20:42,199 and listen to hours and hours of the stuff, 198 00:20:42,366 --> 00:20:44,702 but it's nothing I would ever subject myself to. 199 00:20:44,869 --> 00:20:47,580 I just don't like the sound of piano music that much. 200 00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:09,990 Five minutes, Mr. Gould. 201 00:24:28,175 --> 00:24:29,426 Yeah. 202 00:24:29,593 --> 00:24:31,762 Yeah, you can tell him to close the doors now. 203 00:24:31,929 --> 00:24:34,348 Yeah, I think he's ready now. I told you, go ahead. 204 00:24:34,515 --> 00:24:35,599 Yeah, here we come. 205 00:24:36,767 --> 00:24:38,018 This way, Mr. Gould. 206 00:24:46,944 --> 00:24:50,489 Glenn, I didn't want to bother you now, but I'm not gonna be here after the show. 207 00:24:50,656 --> 00:24:52,408 Gary's gonna be here. Don't think about it. 208 00:24:52,574 --> 00:24:54,994 The guy with the short, you know-- He's gonna pick you up. 209 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:56,453 And there is a reception after. 210 00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:58,080 I know, it's gonna be squaresville, 211 00:24:58,247 --> 00:25:00,457 but you'd make a couple of gray-haired ladies happy 212 00:25:00,624 --> 00:25:02,668 if you'd just waltz through it one time, you know? 213 00:25:03,544 --> 00:25:05,671 Oh. I did wanna show you a schedule for tomorrow. 214 00:25:05,838 --> 00:25:08,257 No, don't bother with it. Don't bother with it now. 215 00:25:08,424 --> 00:25:09,258 Don't think about it. 216 00:25:09,425 --> 00:25:11,385 But if you have a moment after, you wanna change anything-- 217 00:25:11,552 --> 00:25:12,302 I'm sure it's fine. 218 00:25:12,469 --> 00:25:15,180 You wanna see more of L.A... I'm gonna leave it on your dresser. 219 00:25:16,015 --> 00:25:17,808 I think we should take the stairs. 220 00:25:19,393 --> 00:25:20,436 Maybe we should. 221 00:25:24,189 --> 00:25:25,691 Don't even think about it now. 222 00:25:44,501 --> 00:25:47,171 -It's a long way. -It certainly is. 223 00:25:47,337 --> 00:25:50,674 If it weren't for you, I'd have been dropping breadcrumbs along the way. 224 00:26:07,024 --> 00:26:10,194 Yes, we just arrived. Yes, he's there. Okay. 225 00:26:11,779 --> 00:26:13,864 -Mr. Gould? -Of course. 226 00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:20,662 My, uh, wife has all of your records. 227 00:26:21,455 --> 00:26:26,502 Well... tell your wife she has exceptional taste. 228 00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:28,670 Also, she's very lucky. 229 00:26:29,713 --> 00:26:32,382 I'm never going to sign one of these again. 230 00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:35,052 How long have you worked for this theater? 231 00:26:35,552 --> 00:26:37,638 It's been almost 30 years. 232 00:26:38,222 --> 00:26:41,433 Thirty years? You must be near retirement. If you don't mind my asking. 233 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,185 No, at the end of the season. 234 00:26:43,352 --> 00:26:47,189 -What will you do after that? -Well, I have my garden. 235 00:26:47,940 --> 00:26:50,734 -Yes? -I'm gonna build an arboretum. 236 00:26:51,443 --> 00:26:55,155 -You, uh, know what that is? -Yes, I think so. 237 00:26:57,116 --> 00:26:58,200 Mr. Gould? 238 00:27:01,954 --> 00:27:04,873 -My best to your wife and garden. -Thank you. 239 00:27:20,013 --> 00:27:22,141 What did he say? What did he write? 240 00:27:22,808 --> 00:27:24,393 "April 10th, 1964. 241 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,187 Best of luck in your new career, Glenn Gould. 242 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,149 The final concert." 243 00:31:18,627 --> 00:31:23,882 I think that, like all people who try to rationalize their position, 244 00:31:24,633 --> 00:31:26,843 who do what they want at any cost 245 00:31:27,010 --> 00:31:30,555 and then seek some sort of universal justification, 246 00:31:30,722 --> 00:31:34,059 he fell into a trap. 247 00:31:34,226 --> 00:31:40,065 A trap where he dwelled a little too much on the morality of his decision. 248 00:31:40,232 --> 00:31:45,904 Obviously, from a purist's point of view, he had an argument. 249 00:31:46,071 --> 00:31:51,493 In any audience, there are people who hear and see better than others. 250 00:31:51,660 --> 00:31:56,373 At times, in large churches, there are members of the audience 251 00:31:56,540 --> 00:31:59,709 who sit behind a pillar and see nothing. 252 00:31:59,876 --> 00:32:03,171 Sometimes the acoustics at a live concert are exaggerated, 253 00:32:03,338 --> 00:32:06,258 or we hear too much or too little of something, 254 00:32:06,425 --> 00:32:08,009 or the volume is too loud, 255 00:32:08,176 --> 00:32:12,681 or the reverberation hurts the ears. 256 00:32:13,181 --> 00:32:15,600 He did have a point. It's not always ideal... 257 00:32:17,436 --> 00:32:18,937 but that's part of life. 258 00:32:19,521 --> 00:32:23,316 To me, that is a vital element of living. 259 00:32:23,817 --> 00:32:26,945 Personally, I think Glenn Gould's life 260 00:32:28,488 --> 00:32:31,992 seemed a bit too artificial. 261 00:32:32,159 --> 00:32:33,368 But like I said, 262 00:32:33,535 --> 00:32:39,458 that's because I'm not of his stature, creatively. 263 00:32:39,624 --> 00:32:43,295 I could not create my own life and lead it by myself, 264 00:32:43,837 --> 00:32:48,842 to the exclusion of the rest of the world, 265 00:32:49,509 --> 00:32:56,349 doing nothing but applying myself to the physical and intellectual work, 266 00:32:57,017 --> 00:33:03,273 trying to avoid every draft with the protection of a scarf, 267 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:06,776 unable to bear the thought of someone touching my shoulder. 268 00:33:09,154 --> 00:33:14,659 And yet, at the same time, he loved to go to the fishing villages 269 00:33:15,285 --> 00:33:16,745 in the great... 270 00:33:20,373 --> 00:33:23,627 How do you say... In the wide expanses Canada has to offer. 271 00:33:23,793 --> 00:33:29,299 He liked that. He liked nature and natural people. 272 00:33:29,466 --> 00:33:34,262 He liked the fisherman a lot more than he liked audiences in New York. 273 00:33:57,953 --> 00:33:59,079 - Ready? - Yep. 274 00:34:00,163 --> 00:34:02,499 Glenn, we're ready for playback. 275 00:34:02,666 --> 00:34:05,961 Yeah, I'm gonna give it to you without EQ'ing, okay? 276 00:34:06,753 --> 00:34:08,922 And all the levels are flat. 277 00:34:12,175 --> 00:34:16,513 Ready in three, two, one. 278 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,848 Coffee? 279 00:34:19,015 --> 00:34:20,183 Yes, yes. 280 00:35:14,487 --> 00:35:16,823 I really shouldn't be giving this to you, you know. 281 00:35:17,365 --> 00:35:19,159 It's, uh, not very good for you. 282 00:35:19,326 --> 00:35:21,453 You mean coffee in general, or your coffee? 283 00:35:21,620 --> 00:35:23,663 No, no, coffee and cream as a combination. 284 00:35:23,830 --> 00:35:25,707 It's very bad for you. It's dangerous. 285 00:35:26,541 --> 00:35:27,709 Where did you get this? 286 00:35:35,133 --> 00:35:38,678 It just sits in your stomach like asphalt. I read it in a magazine. 287 00:35:38,845 --> 00:35:42,432 The coffee from that machine is gonna Kill me anyway, so, you know, a little cream... 288 00:35:49,731 --> 00:35:50,899 And you're one to talk. 289 00:35:51,066 --> 00:35:54,194 I mean, look at you. You're falling apart. He could use some coffee. 290 00:35:54,361 --> 00:35:56,905 Sugar, on the other hand, is a very good combination. 291 00:35:57,072 --> 00:36:00,533 It actually helps the coffee do what it's supposed to do, so... 292 00:36:13,797 --> 00:36:15,882 The "Italian Concerto." 293 00:36:18,718 --> 00:36:22,931 You know, this is really good. I really think we have something here. 294 00:36:34,734 --> 00:36:37,112 Glenn, how was that? 295 00:36:38,238 --> 00:36:41,074 I think there's something in that. Let's hear it again. 296 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:56,162 I became Glenn Gould's chambermaid because the other chambermaids, 297 00:40:56,329 --> 00:41:00,875 who were mostly middle-aged Italian and Jamaican women, were terrified of him. 298 00:41:01,042 --> 00:41:04,545 They thought he was strange, probably some sort of sexual deviant. 299 00:41:05,546 --> 00:41:08,132 They just found him peculiar because he was very eccentric. 300 00:41:08,299 --> 00:41:11,886 When we were in Moscow in 1957, we stayed at the Canadian embassy. 301 00:41:12,387 --> 00:41:17,976 And after the first concert, we went back into our limousine, 302 00:41:18,142 --> 00:41:20,395 which had been loaned to us by the embassy. 303 00:41:20,561 --> 00:41:22,730 And at the end of the concert, 304 00:41:22,897 --> 00:41:25,942 Glenn had received a tremendous number of flowers, 305 00:41:26,109 --> 00:41:29,529 big pots of mums and other flowers. 306 00:41:29,696 --> 00:41:33,950 And as we got into the limousine and sat down, 307 00:41:34,117 --> 00:41:38,079 all the flowers had been piled up there, and we had barely room to sit there. 308 00:41:38,246 --> 00:41:40,999 And Glenn said to me, "You know, Walter, 309 00:41:41,541 --> 00:41:45,003 it feels like we are driving to our own funeral at this point." 310 00:41:46,295 --> 00:41:48,047 This was his passion. 311 00:41:48,214 --> 00:41:50,049 He really, really wanted to start-- 312 00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:52,885 You know, retire away to Manitoulin Island, 313 00:41:53,052 --> 00:41:54,303 to buy a big hunk of it, 314 00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:57,223 and bring every unwanted animal in the world there. 315 00:41:57,390 --> 00:42:00,393 And there were... numerous boxes. 316 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,814 I think one time I counted a dozen boxes of arrowroot cookies 317 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,150 sort of scattered about the room. 318 00:42:07,692 --> 00:42:10,862 And there were also numerous bottles of ketchup. 319 00:42:11,029 --> 00:42:14,824 It was a very penetrating interview. 320 00:42:14,991 --> 00:42:18,369 The most intelligent questions I think I'd ever heard about the North 321 00:42:18,536 --> 00:42:20,455 from experts, laymen, or anything else. 322 00:42:20,621 --> 00:42:23,791 Questions that required rather long answers. 323 00:42:24,584 --> 00:42:26,919 And as I would start to speak or make a point, 324 00:42:27,086 --> 00:42:31,132 he would register his feelings, not by voice but by a smile, 325 00:42:31,299 --> 00:42:35,428 but all the time, he was using his hands and conducting. 326 00:42:36,095 --> 00:42:38,806 And this was perhaps slightly off-putting 327 00:42:38,973 --> 00:42:41,684 when you're trying to think deep thoughts, but-- 328 00:42:41,851 --> 00:42:44,103 Because I had no idea what this was all about. 329 00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:46,814 But he continuously was just waving his arm 330 00:42:46,981 --> 00:42:50,485 and then sort of bring up this idea and so on. 331 00:42:52,028 --> 00:42:54,363 I was his orchestra for that hour. 332 00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:58,826 So he decided to wear this business suit, and I discussed it with him and I said: 333 00:42:58,993 --> 00:43:01,996 "You know, Glenn, I'm not sure that the public will understand 334 00:43:02,163 --> 00:43:05,541 what you are trying to convey, but if you want to do it, go ahead.” 335 00:43:06,667 --> 00:43:11,047 Which he did, and he was probably the first artist that went out on-stage 336 00:43:11,214 --> 00:43:14,550 without the-- What was considered then the proper concert attire. 337 00:43:14,717 --> 00:43:17,512 But he, again, was on the forefront of change. 338 00:43:17,678 --> 00:43:21,474 He used to wake up at about 4:00 in the afternoon, 339 00:43:21,641 --> 00:43:24,852 and to get himself awake, he used to phone people, 340 00:43:25,019 --> 00:43:29,315 and I was one of those people that he phoned. 341 00:43:29,941 --> 00:43:35,780 And he'd talk about anything, you know. He just wanted a listening board. 342 00:43:35,947 --> 00:43:39,659 One night he called, and he was babbling on. 343 00:43:40,618 --> 00:43:43,287 And it was probably about 1:00 in the morning, 344 00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:45,248 something like that, and he... 345 00:43:46,707 --> 00:43:48,042 And I fell asleep. 346 00:43:48,835 --> 00:43:53,256 As a matter of fact, before I fell asleep, I had stretched out on the rug, 347 00:43:53,422 --> 00:43:56,509 and I had the phone there, because I'd been sitting in a chair 348 00:43:56,676 --> 00:43:59,554 and I got tired of sitting in the chair and I stretched out. 349 00:43:59,720 --> 00:44:03,057 And he was talking, talking, talking. And I wasn't talking at all. 350 00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:05,726 And I fell asleep. 351 00:44:06,352 --> 00:44:09,355 And the next thing I knew, my son had walked into the room, 352 00:44:10,022 --> 00:44:12,650 and he was kicking me on the soles of my feet. 353 00:44:13,317 --> 00:44:16,863 And he said, "Wake up. There's somebody on the phone.” 354 00:44:17,655 --> 00:44:20,449 And it was Glenn. And he was talking away. 355 00:44:20,950 --> 00:44:24,996 And I don't know how long I had been sleeping, 356 00:44:25,621 --> 00:44:29,750 but I didn't even remember the sequence. 357 00:44:29,917 --> 00:44:33,004 He was just... The words were just pouring out. 358 00:44:34,881 --> 00:44:38,926 The phone rang, and as I picked it up, it was Glenn Gould on the other end, 359 00:44:39,093 --> 00:44:42,847 and he said, "Hi, this is Glenn Gould, and I feel like talking." 360 00:44:43,014 --> 00:44:47,101 "Mario," he said, "I've come across the most marvelous opera 361 00:44:47,268 --> 00:44:48,269 for your program.” 362 00:44:48,769 --> 00:44:51,480 I said, "What is it?" He says, "You know Ernst Krenek?" 363 00:44:51,647 --> 00:44:52,857 I said, "Yes, certainly.” 364 00:44:53,024 --> 00:44:56,319 He said, "I've got this marvelous opera by him." 365 00:44:56,485 --> 00:44:59,113 He said, "Wait, I've got the score here. I'll sing it to you." 366 00:44:59,614 --> 00:45:03,034 So he sang this entire one-act opera, 367 00:45:03,201 --> 00:45:04,869 one-act, two-scene opera, 368 00:45:05,036 --> 00:45:09,332 over the telephone in his not-very-pleasant voice. 369 00:45:09,498 --> 00:45:14,170 He was very much involved with himself. 370 00:45:14,337 --> 00:45:17,465 You know, he didn't think of what others had to... 371 00:45:18,883 --> 00:45:21,719 What others had to do or their responsibilities. 372 00:45:22,345 --> 00:45:28,476 You know, he was consumed with what he was doing and his own things. 373 00:45:28,643 --> 00:45:35,233 His will was that he left half of his estate to the SPCA, 374 00:45:36,484 --> 00:45:39,946 Society for the Prevention of Cruelties to Animals, 375 00:45:40,112 --> 00:45:42,114 and the other half to the Salvation Army. 376 00:45:42,615 --> 00:45:43,532 Yes. 377 00:45:44,033 --> 00:45:49,288 Getting 318 back from Ottawa to tune for the conservatory, 378 00:45:49,789 --> 00:45:54,377 when I was phoned up about it, I thought, "Should I do this?" 379 00:45:55,670 --> 00:45:58,297 I thought, "No, I'm gonna do it, just for old times' sake." 380 00:45:58,464 --> 00:46:01,050 And when I got working on 318 again 381 00:46:01,217 --> 00:46:03,636 and cleaned it up and tuned it 382 00:46:03,803 --> 00:46:07,306 and worked on the action a bit, it felt good. 383 00:46:08,140 --> 00:46:09,642 So I guess I miss him. 384 00:46:11,852 --> 00:46:16,148 I miss his intelligent comments, 385 00:46:16,315 --> 00:46:21,654 and I miss listening to his 20 questions, 386 00:46:21,821 --> 00:46:23,572 not particularly to me, but... 387 00:46:24,824 --> 00:46:27,201 He was-- I'll tell you one thing. 388 00:46:28,077 --> 00:46:30,746 Today I had a customer phone me up and say: 389 00:46:30,913 --> 00:46:33,291 "Can you come tomorrow to tune my piano?" 390 00:46:34,083 --> 00:46:37,712 Glenn Gould used to give me two or three months' notice. 391 00:46:38,838 --> 00:46:40,298 And I respected that. 392 00:46:41,215 --> 00:46:44,385 And I'm very thankful for knowing him. 393 00:47:58,876 --> 00:47:59,877 Hello, Mr. Gould. 394 00:48:00,461 --> 00:48:02,922 -Do you want the usual? -Yes, if you'd be so kind. 395 00:48:16,811 --> 00:48:18,312 Yeah, I agree. 396 00:48:18,479 --> 00:48:21,982 For instance, one time, up by the Reptile House... 397 00:48:22,149 --> 00:48:24,735 You know where that is? Up near Parry Sound? 398 00:48:24,902 --> 00:48:28,406 ...I see this hippie-yippie type thumbing a ride. 399 00:48:28,989 --> 00:48:30,741 Long hair up to here. 400 00:48:31,325 --> 00:48:35,037 Eh, I figured I'd pick him up anyway, keep me entertained for a while, 401 00:48:35,204 --> 00:48:37,915 "cause I'm going all night, keep me awake. 402 00:48:38,916 --> 00:48:41,001 Only when I picked him up, it turns out 403 00:48:42,086 --> 00:48:43,462 it wasn't a hippie at all. 404 00:48:43,963 --> 00:48:46,382 It was a girl, a young girl. 405 00:48:47,049 --> 00:48:49,176 And I mean pretty like you've never seen. 406 00:48:49,343 --> 00:48:53,222 So I says to her, "What the hell are you doing out here all by yourself, eh?" 407 00:48:53,973 --> 00:48:57,768 And hundred miles down the road, I got her whole life story. 408 00:48:59,103 --> 00:49:02,022 Seems like she had a fight with her boyfriend. 409 00:49:02,189 --> 00:49:05,651 They broke up, then she had a fight with her parents 410 00:49:06,277 --> 00:49:09,071 and decided to run away from home. 411 00:49:09,238 --> 00:49:10,823 - Janet? - Generation gap 412 00:49:10,990 --> 00:49:12,158 or whatever the hell it was. 413 00:49:12,324 --> 00:49:14,994 Janet... 414 00:49:15,161 --> 00:49:17,163 And hundred miles later, 415 00:49:17,329 --> 00:49:20,791 she's curled up next to me... 416 00:49:20,958 --> 00:49:24,128 ...sleeping like a little baby that cried itself to sleep. 417 00:49:24,295 --> 00:49:26,839 I looked down at this sweet little 16-year-old thing. 418 00:49:29,091 --> 00:49:32,803 And you know what I did? I turned my rig around, 419 00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:34,805 and I took her straight home. 420 00:49:34,972 --> 00:49:37,141 Right to her house. Right to the front door. 421 00:49:37,975 --> 00:49:39,894 Should've seen the look on her parents' face. 422 00:49:40,060 --> 00:49:43,355 - Fifty bucks, pal, 5-0. - Yeah. They screwed us, man. 423 00:49:43,522 --> 00:49:46,358 Damn Imlach. We would've been better off with Clancy. 424 00:49:46,525 --> 00:49:50,696 -Yeah. -Ullman, Henderson, Ellis, who needs them? 425 00:49:51,489 --> 00:49:53,782 -If we still had Mahovlich-- -Yeah, but you don't. 426 00:49:53,949 --> 00:49:56,952 - See, there's a code I live by. - Because it's over. I gotta go. 427 00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,121 Montreal is gonna take it. Wanna put money on that? 428 00:49:59,288 --> 00:50:01,749 - "It's over. I gotta go." - A strict code of ethics. 429 00:50:01,916 --> 00:50:03,959 -I believe in it. -"It's over. I gotta go." 430 00:50:04,126 --> 00:50:05,920 -Come on, rack them up. -You rack them up. 431 00:50:06,086 --> 00:50:08,088 - I rack? Okay. Ten bucks? - "I gotta go." 432 00:50:08,255 --> 00:50:10,883 -Get it out. -I never regret it. 433 00:50:11,050 --> 00:50:12,718 Not a minute. Never. 434 00:50:12,885 --> 00:50:13,928 No, sir. 435 00:50:33,447 --> 00:50:35,741 Okay, Glenn, I'm ready to start. 436 00:50:35,908 --> 00:50:39,286 Yeah, I'll give you the whole thing, from the top. And when we get-- 437 00:50:39,453 --> 00:50:41,872 I'll just hit the record button, and you can start. 438 00:50:42,623 --> 00:50:44,375 Are you all set? Here we go. 439 00:50:44,959 --> 00:50:45,834 Stand by. 440 00:50:47,503 --> 00:50:49,338 Ready? Here we go. 441 00:50:49,505 --> 00:50:51,507 Three, two... 442 00:50:52,174 --> 00:50:54,885 I was fascinated by the country as such. 443 00:50:55,052 --> 00:50:57,972 I flew north from Churchill to Coral Harbour on Southampton Island 444 00:50:58,138 --> 00:50:59,473 at the end of September. 445 00:51:00,224 --> 00:51:01,433 Snow had begun to fall, 446 00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,686 <i>and the country was partially covered by it.</i> 447 00:51:04,186 --> 00:51:06,647 Some of the lakes were frozen around the edges, 448 00:51:06,814 --> 00:51:08,357 but towards the center of the lake, 449 00:51:08,524 --> 00:51:11,110 you could still see the clear, clear water. 450 00:51:12,236 --> 00:51:13,696 And flying over this country, 451 00:51:13,862 --> 00:51:16,740 you could look down and see various shades of green in the water, 452 00:51:16,907 --> 00:51:18,951 and you could see the bottom of the lakes. 453 00:51:19,118 --> 00:51:21,662 It was the most fascinating experience. 454 00:51:22,246 --> 00:51:25,165 I remember I was up in the cockpit with the pilot, 455 00:51:25,332 --> 00:51:28,460 and I was forever looking out left and right, 456 00:51:28,627 --> 00:51:31,088 and I could see ice floes over the Hudson's Bay. 457 00:51:31,255 --> 00:51:35,593 And I was always looking for a polar bear or some seals that I could spot, 458 00:51:35,759 --> 00:51:37,636 but unfortunately, there were none. 459 00:51:38,971 --> 00:51:41,932 And as we flew along the east coast of Hudson's Bay, 460 00:51:42,099 --> 00:51:44,560 - this flat country frightened me. - Let me say this: 461 00:51:44,727 --> 00:51:46,895 I don't go for this Northman ship bit at all. 462 00:51:47,062 --> 00:51:48,689 Because it just seemed endless. 463 00:51:48,856 --> 00:51:52,234 - I don't knock people who claim... - We seemed to be going to nowhere. 464 00:51:52,401 --> 00:51:55,070 -The further north we went... -...they want to go farther north. 465 00:51:55,237 --> 00:51:58,657 - I see it as kind of a game, Northman ship. - There was nothing but snow... 466 00:51:58,824 --> 00:52:02,244 <i>People 'd say, "Well, were you ever up at the North Pole?" You know, and:</i> 467 00:52:02,411 --> 00:52:05,789 - "Hell, I did a dogsled trip of 22 days." - This was my first year... 468 00:52:05,956 --> 00:52:08,375 And the other fellow'd go, "I did one of 30 days." 469 00:52:08,542 --> 00:52:10,711 That's pretty childish. Perhaps they see-- 470 00:52:10,878 --> 00:52:14,423 - They see themselves as more skeptical... - Sure, the North changed my life. 471 00:52:14,590 --> 00:52:18,427 I can't conceive of anyone being in close touch with the North, 472 00:52:18,594 --> 00:52:20,304 whether he lived there all the time 473 00:52:20,471 --> 00:52:23,599 or simply traveled it month after month, year after year-- 474 00:52:23,766 --> 00:52:26,685 - I can't conceive of such a person... - More skeptical about... 475 00:52:26,852 --> 00:52:29,688 ...being untouched by the North for the rest of his life. 476 00:52:29,855 --> 00:52:32,733 When I left in 1965, at least left the job there... 477 00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:36,403 And it's not like-- As though there's some special merit, 478 00:52:36,570 --> 00:52:39,490 some virtue, to being in the North... 479 00:52:39,657 --> 00:52:43,494 ...or some special virtue in having been with the primitive people. 480 00:52:43,661 --> 00:52:46,789 Well, I-- You know, what special virtue is there in that? And... 481 00:52:46,955 --> 00:52:50,292 It is most difficult to describe. 482 00:52:50,459 --> 00:52:53,420 It was extreme isolation. This is very true. 483 00:52:53,587 --> 00:52:55,714 And I knew very well I could not go anywhere 484 00:52:55,881 --> 00:52:59,677 - except for a mile or two walking. - ...if indeed it has changed me. 485 00:52:59,843 --> 00:53:04,056 i always think of the long summer days when the snow had melted, 486 00:53:04,223 --> 00:53:06,100 the lakes were open, 487 00:53:06,266 --> 00:53:08,644 and the geese and ducks had started to fly north. 488 00:53:08,811 --> 00:53:10,479 Or even if you go off into... 489 00:53:10,646 --> 00:53:12,856 During that time, the sun would set, 490 00:53:13,023 --> 00:53:16,402 but when there was still the last shimmer in the sky, 491 00:53:16,568 --> 00:53:19,363 I would walk out to one of those lakes 492 00:53:19,530 --> 00:53:23,200 and watch those ducks and geese just fly around peacefully 493 00:53:23,367 --> 00:53:26,495 - or sitting on the water. - ...the way of technological... 494 00:53:26,662 --> 00:53:29,164 And I felt that I was almost part of that country... 495 00:53:29,331 --> 00:53:32,876 - It opened up the day before... - ...part of that peaceful surrounding, 496 00:53:33,043 --> 00:53:35,045 and I wished that it would never end. 497 00:53:35,212 --> 00:53:37,506 - Are we right to open... - Mass media... 498 00:53:37,673 --> 00:53:40,884 - The real truth about the North... - This was especially true 499 00:53:41,051 --> 00:53:42,136 because of the fact... 500 00:53:42,302 --> 00:53:47,141 This is Glenn Gould, and this program is called The Idea of North. 501 00:54:00,362 --> 00:54:03,866 Let's talk about the radio documentaries 502 00:54:04,032 --> 00:54:05,492 you made for the CBC. 503 00:54:05,659 --> 00:54:09,246 Two of your programs, The Idea of North and The Latecomers, 504 00:54:09,413 --> 00:54:12,040 are both about the idea of solitude 505 00:54:12,207 --> 00:54:14,543 as it affects people living in northern Canada. 506 00:54:15,919 --> 00:54:19,882 In fact, all of those programs deal, to some degree, with solitude. 507 00:54:20,048 --> 00:54:21,675 There are five programs I've made 508 00:54:21,842 --> 00:54:24,678 that have taken 300 or 400 hours of studio time. 509 00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:27,931 Number one was, as you mentioned, The Idea of North, 510 00:54:28,098 --> 00:54:30,309 two was Latecomers, three was Stokowski, 511 00:54:30,476 --> 00:54:32,728 four is one we're just mixing now on Casals, 512 00:54:32,895 --> 00:54:34,938 Casals: A Portrait for Radio. 513 00:54:35,105 --> 00:54:37,274 I'm doing one next year on Schoenberg. 514 00:54:37,441 --> 00:54:41,153 And there's one that's lain around now for a year and a half. 515 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:43,906 It's a program about the Mennonites called Quiet in the Land, 516 00:54:44,072 --> 00:54:47,242 and that's the ultimate in community isolation. 517 00:54:47,409 --> 00:54:50,662 So next, I want to do a comedy about an isolated man, 518 00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:53,916 because I'm sick and tired of all these profound statements. 519 00:54:54,082 --> 00:54:57,002 Well, radio itself is a solitary experience. 520 00:54:57,169 --> 00:54:59,171 Why does it interest you as a medium? 521 00:54:59,338 --> 00:55:02,174 I'd like to deal with this as sensibly as I can. 522 00:55:02,341 --> 00:55:04,676 It's a big question. It's an important question. 523 00:55:05,177 --> 00:55:07,513 I don't know what the effective ratio would be, 524 00:55:07,679 --> 00:55:09,681 but I've always had a sort of intuition 525 00:55:09,848 --> 00:55:14,186 that for every hour you spend with other human beings, 526 00:55:14,353 --> 00:55:17,314 you need X number of hours alone. 527 00:55:17,481 --> 00:55:20,901 Now, what that X represents, I don't really know, 528 00:55:21,068 --> 00:55:24,154 whether it be two and seven-eighths or seven and two-eighths, 529 00:55:24,321 --> 00:55:26,406 but it's a substantial ratio. 530 00:55:26,573 --> 00:55:30,494 Radio is something that's always been very close to me ever since I was a child, 531 00:55:30,661 --> 00:55:32,621 something I listen to virtually nonstop. 532 00:55:32,788 --> 00:55:35,332 I mean, it's wallpaper for me. 533 00:55:35,958 --> 00:55:37,292 I sleep with the radio on. 534 00:55:37,459 --> 00:55:40,546 In fact, now I'm incapable of sleeping without the radio on, 535 00:55:40,712 --> 00:55:42,422 ever since I gave up Nembutal. 536 00:55:42,589 --> 00:55:44,633 Does it affect your dreams? 537 00:55:45,509 --> 00:55:49,513 Sure, insofar as if there are broadcasts on the hour, 538 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,266 I will pick up the bulletins and dream them, 539 00:55:52,432 --> 00:55:56,395 and in the morning, if there's a boat that's just gone down, I'll think: 540 00:55:56,937 --> 00:56:01,275 "Gee, that was an odd dream about the Titanic I had last night.” 541 00:56:01,441 --> 00:56:03,277 And I will have, of course, gone through it. 542 00:56:03,443 --> 00:56:06,780 Maybe your feelings about solitude come from your Nordic temperament? 543 00:56:06,947 --> 00:56:08,699 I think that's certainly part of it. 544 00:56:08,866 --> 00:56:10,909 It's always been an ambition of mine, 545 00:56:11,076 --> 00:56:13,203 which I'll probably never get around to realizing, 546 00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:17,165 to spend at least one winter north of the Arctic Circle. 547 00:56:17,332 --> 00:56:19,585 Anyone can go there in the summer, when the sun is up, 548 00:56:19,751 --> 00:56:21,837 but I want to go there when the sun is down, 549 00:56:22,004 --> 00:56:25,799 I really do, and so help me, I'm going to do it one of these times. 550 00:56:25,966 --> 00:56:28,260 I've been saying this for five or six years now, 551 00:56:28,427 --> 00:56:31,555 and every year, the schedule gets in the way. 552 00:56:31,722 --> 00:56:35,058 Well, I hope you do. Thank you very much, Mr. Gould. 553 00:56:56,496 --> 00:56:58,624 Mr. Gould, thank you for the interview yesterday. 554 00:56:58,790 --> 00:57:01,710 I would just like some further clarification, if I may. Um... 555 00:57:02,419 --> 00:57:05,005 That's good. Uh, where am I? No... 556 00:57:06,548 --> 00:57:08,800 Okay, here we are. Uh... 557 00:57:08,967 --> 00:57:11,762 Now, if it's really true that you attach little importance 558 00:57:11,929 --> 00:57:13,847 to the actual technique of playing the piano, 559 00:57:14,014 --> 00:57:17,100 how is it that you have managed to attain such a level of skill? 560 00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:19,853 That is to say, don't you think it's depressing 561 00:57:20,020 --> 00:57:22,564 for all the young pianists of the world to know this? 562 00:57:23,065 --> 00:57:25,400 Glenn Gould, Glenn Gould, Glenn Gould. 563 00:57:27,361 --> 00:57:31,657 Glenn Gould, I really wanna thank you from the bottom of my heart 564 00:57:31,823 --> 00:57:36,828 for arranging for me to have this chance to interview you finally. 565 00:57:36,995 --> 00:57:38,789 And before we begin the interview, 566 00:57:38,956 --> 00:57:41,416 I also wanna give you a great big thank-you 567 00:57:41,583 --> 00:57:43,627 on behalf of all of our readers. 568 00:57:43,794 --> 00:57:45,462 These are tough questions. They're gonna come up. 569 00:57:45,629 --> 00:57:48,131 People are gonna watch the play and they're gonna ask me: 570 00:57:49,132 --> 00:57:52,552 "Glenn Gould is apparently incredibly interested in technology. 571 00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:54,513 But really, wasn't technology just a reason 572 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,807 or a way for him to keep the world at arm's length? 573 00:57:56,974 --> 00:57:58,475 It's just a smoke screen, isn't it?" 574 00:57:58,642 --> 00:58:00,018 Let me ask you this. 575 00:58:01,061 --> 00:58:04,940 What is Glenn Gould really like when he's not in the studio? 576 00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:09,778 I mean, what do you like to do when you're outside of a recording booth? 577 00:58:10,904 --> 00:58:13,198 What kind of lifestyle do you lead? 578 00:58:14,116 --> 00:58:17,285 Mr. Gould, you are a perfectionist when it comes to recording. 579 00:58:17,869 --> 00:58:19,705 So why is it that when you are recording, 580 00:58:19,871 --> 00:58:23,458 you place little importance on whether you have a piano with noisy works 581 00:58:23,625 --> 00:58:25,127 or a chair that squeaks? 582 00:58:25,293 --> 00:58:29,381 Why, when you seem obsessed with this idea of musical perfection, 583 00:58:29,548 --> 00:58:31,425 do you hum as you play? 584 00:58:33,218 --> 00:58:34,636 Well, um... 585 00:58:40,434 --> 00:58:41,893 I forgot the question. 586 00:58:42,060 --> 00:58:46,064 I mean, what aspect of your life 587 00:58:46,940 --> 00:58:53,363 has nothing to do with, uh... With, uh, anything 588 00:58:53,530 --> 00:58:59,202 that has to do with classical, musical... music? 589 00:58:59,369 --> 00:59:02,706 Years ago, you said that you were gonna leave public performance 590 00:59:02,873 --> 00:59:04,374 because you want to compose. 591 00:59:04,958 --> 00:59:06,835 And we've waited, and the years have passed, 592 00:59:07,002 --> 00:59:09,755 and there's no body of work, I mean, musically speaking. 593 00:59:09,921 --> 00:59:13,550 And... um, people are waiting, and... 594 00:59:15,469 --> 00:59:16,845 How do you feel about all that? 595 00:59:17,012 --> 00:59:17,888 Would... 596 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,307 Would you teach me piano? 597 00:59:20,891 --> 00:59:23,435 What about children? I mean, have you thought about that? 598 00:59:23,602 --> 00:59:25,520 What do you look for in a woman? 599 00:59:25,687 --> 00:59:28,690 Or maybe I should just say, what are you waiting for? 600 00:59:28,857 --> 00:59:31,109 One more question, if I may, out of curiosity. 601 00:59:31,818 --> 00:59:34,863 Why do you insist on conducting interviews by phone? 602 00:59:57,761 --> 00:59:59,721 Well, um... 603 01:00:00,388 --> 01:00:01,556 caduc. 604 01:00:01,723 --> 01:00:04,226 I know, you left the concert platform. 605 01:00:04,935 --> 01:00:07,562 It's been talked about, it's been explained, 606 01:00:07,729 --> 01:00:09,106 all the reasons, but... 607 01:00:11,441 --> 01:00:14,861 when you think about it, on the day that it happened, 608 01:00:15,654 --> 01:00:17,114 it was about fear, wasn't it? 609 01:00:30,627 --> 01:00:33,505 I've asked you about your music, I've asked you about your family, 610 01:00:33,672 --> 01:00:36,216 I've asked you about your children, what you have for dinner, 611 01:00:36,383 --> 01:00:37,926 what you do when you go to a movie... 612 01:00:39,136 --> 01:00:44,641 Mr. Gould, you've stated that the, uh, concert hall 613 01:00:44,808 --> 01:00:48,311 is becoming more and more of an economic liability 614 01:00:49,563 --> 01:00:55,068 but that you foresee this problem rectifying itself by the year 2000. 615 01:00:57,154 --> 01:00:58,280 Why? 616 01:01:02,826 --> 01:01:04,286 Okay, fine. 617 01:01:05,954 --> 01:01:07,372 Are you homosexual? 618 01:01:08,415 --> 01:01:09,416 Mm. 619 01:01:11,835 --> 01:01:13,587 Why didn't you answer my calls? 620 01:01:16,506 --> 01:01:18,008 Why did you stop calling me? 621 01:01:24,598 --> 01:01:28,518 You know, I am deeply in love with a certain beautiful girl. 622 01:01:29,060 --> 01:01:31,563 I asked her to marry me, but she turned me down. 623 01:01:31,730 --> 01:01:34,691 But I still love her more than anything in the world, 624 01:01:34,858 --> 01:01:37,777 and every minute I can spend with her is pure heaven. 625 01:01:39,529 --> 01:01:41,072 But I don't want to be a bore. 626 01:01:41,615 --> 01:01:45,327 And if I could only get her to tell me when I could see her, it would help. 627 01:01:46,494 --> 01:01:47,954 She has a standing invitation 628 01:01:48,121 --> 01:01:50,707 to let me take her anywhere she'd like to go, anytime, 629 01:01:50,874 --> 01:01:53,793 but it seems to me she never has time for me. 630 01:01:55,295 --> 01:01:58,089 Please, if you see her, ask her to let me know 631 01:01:58,256 --> 01:02:00,425 when I can see her and when I can... 632 01:05:26,464 --> 01:05:29,008 Sheikh Ahmed Zaki Yamani arrived in Ottawa today 633 01:05:29,175 --> 01:05:31,719 <i>to begin a series of discussions across Canada</i> 634 01:05:31,886 --> 01:05:33,346 about the future of oil pricing. 635 01:05:33,513 --> 01:05:35,807 -The powerful Saudi oil... -Howie, thanks for holding. 636 01:05:35,974 --> 01:05:38,726 It's me, your fairy godmother. You cleared 30 grand in your sleep. 637 01:05:38,893 --> 01:05:43,064 Twelve thousand in Texas Gulf at 46. Call me, let me know how the options open. 638 01:05:43,565 --> 01:05:45,275 Sorry, sir. What's on the recommender? 639 01:05:45,442 --> 01:05:47,569 Play it safe. I'm sticking with the big one. 640 01:05:47,735 --> 01:05:50,071 Oil, that is. Black gold, Texas tea. 641 01:05:50,238 --> 01:05:53,616 Across the board, Gulf Dome, Petrofina. Take your pick and hold on for the ride. 642 01:05:53,783 --> 01:05:56,786 We're going through the roof. Looking at 32 by the bell. Okay. 643 01:05:58,580 --> 01:06:00,832 Sotex Resources? No, never heard of it. 644 01:06:01,458 --> 01:06:02,876 Yeah, I'll check the charts. 645 01:06:05,170 --> 01:06:07,881 Yeah, but again, I'm telling you, look, oil, right now, 646 01:06:08,047 --> 01:06:10,383 is as close to a sure thing as we got in this business. 647 01:06:10,550 --> 01:06:11,426 It's crazy to sell. 648 01:06:12,135 --> 01:06:13,219 Sotex. 649 01:06:14,179 --> 01:06:16,764 No. Got nothing on it. Sounds risky to me. 650 01:06:17,265 --> 01:06:19,726 -You want it, you got it. -Who's that? Who is it? 651 01:06:20,518 --> 01:06:23,771 Glenn Gould. I'll ask you to remember 652 01:06:23,938 --> 01:06:26,649 in the days and weeks ahead this was your bright idea. 653 01:06:26,816 --> 01:06:29,194 That's my job. Later. 654 01:06:29,903 --> 01:06:33,281 -The piano player? -Yeah, Glenn Gould, the piano player. 655 01:06:35,783 --> 01:06:38,536 Okay, got a buy for you, 10,000 STX, Gould. 656 01:06:39,704 --> 01:06:42,457 -What's the special of the day? -Canstar Oil and Gas. 657 01:06:42,624 --> 01:06:45,543 -Eleven and three-quarters. -Mr. Mackie had lunch with the minister. 658 01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:48,379 -There's an incentive program in the air. -Well, I don't buy it. 659 01:06:48,546 --> 01:06:49,464 He's in for 90 thou. 660 01:06:49,631 --> 01:06:51,716 The Pormack brothers are in tight with the Saudis. 661 01:06:51,883 --> 01:06:56,054 -They've been mopping it up all week. -So as long as this embargo holds... 662 01:06:56,221 --> 01:06:59,390 - It's going up, up and away. - Anything else, Mr. Gould? 663 01:06:59,557 --> 01:07:01,809 Yes, I'll have a cup of coffee and a telephone. 664 01:07:02,310 --> 01:07:05,480 -Everybody's buying. -I'm afraid I can't agree. 665 01:07:05,647 --> 01:07:07,690 What do you mean? Do you know something? 666 01:07:07,857 --> 01:07:12,237 I had a small word with Sheikh Yamani's bodyguard at the airport, and, uh... 667 01:07:12,403 --> 01:07:13,404 And what? 668 01:07:13,571 --> 01:07:16,908 Now, this one has to be kept strictly between you and me. 669 01:07:19,702 --> 01:07:22,830 "STX, Sotex Resources"? Never heard of it. 670 01:07:22,997 --> 01:07:24,290 The Sheikh has, 671 01:07:24,457 --> 01:07:27,377 and he's about to deliver them a major explorations contract. 672 01:07:34,425 --> 01:07:38,263 This is entirely entre nous. This is just between you and me. 673 01:07:38,429 --> 01:07:40,431 Sotex? Hang on one second. 674 01:07:41,224 --> 01:07:42,433 Here it is. 675 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,728 Psst. Little stock called Sotex. Ever heard of it? 676 01:07:49,816 --> 01:07:53,403 Sotex, ten and a third, get me 20,000 shares. 677 01:07:53,570 --> 01:07:56,948 Mines, natural resources, stuff from up north, you know. 678 01:07:57,115 --> 01:08:01,953 Listen... Sheikh Yamani is very interested in this company. 679 01:08:05,290 --> 01:08:08,751 The TSE dropped 40 points as a result of this morning's announcement, 680 01:08:08,918 --> 01:08:11,879 and the Dow fell back an alarming 72 points. 681 01:08:12,046 --> 01:08:15,174 One of the few bright spots in the midst of this doom and gloom 682 01:08:15,341 --> 01:08:19,637 <i>was a tiny company called Sotex Resources, which closed at 15.3.</i> 683 01:08:23,391 --> 01:08:25,810 Ten and a quarter? Well, ditch it, for chrissake. 684 01:08:25,977 --> 01:08:27,228 What are you waiting for? 685 01:08:27,854 --> 01:08:30,565 Yeah, Howie, unfortunately, we're looking at a bit of a dip. 686 01:08:30,732 --> 01:08:31,482 Down 12 points. 687 01:08:31,649 --> 01:08:33,735 That's the way the game works. You know the risk. 688 01:08:33,901 --> 01:08:36,738 Sotex? Uh, sure. You want a piece? 689 01:08:36,904 --> 01:08:38,781 Look, sir, what do you want me to say? 690 01:08:38,948 --> 01:08:41,618 You lost, I lost, everybody lost. Take it up with OPEC. 691 01:08:43,453 --> 01:08:44,621 Whatever you say, Glenn. 692 01:08:45,204 --> 01:08:46,456 You know, I have to confess, 693 01:08:46,623 --> 01:08:48,708 you were my only client who made a buck last week, 694 01:08:48,875 --> 01:08:50,251 and a pretty good one too. 695 01:08:50,418 --> 01:08:52,587 Hey, listen, you gave up touring. 696 01:08:53,087 --> 01:08:56,507 Maybe you should give up playing the piano altogether and just play the market. 697 01:08:56,674 --> 01:08:58,760 That's right, a virtuoso. 698 01:08:59,761 --> 01:09:01,346 Yeah, I'll talk to you soon. 699 01:09:05,767 --> 01:09:06,934 Piano player. 700 01:09:37,507 --> 01:09:40,176 "Wanted: Friendly, companionably reclusive, 701 01:09:40,343 --> 01:09:43,054 socially unacceptable, alcoholically abstemious, 702 01:09:43,221 --> 01:09:45,682 tirelessly talkative, zealously unzealous, 703 01:09:45,848 --> 01:09:48,184 spiritually intense, minimally turquoise, 704 01:09:48,351 --> 01:09:50,311 maximally ecstatic loon 705 01:09:50,478 --> 01:09:53,231 seeks moth or moths with similar equalities 706 01:09:53,398 --> 01:09:55,358 for purposes of telephonic seduction, 707 01:09:55,900 --> 01:09:57,610 Tristanesque trip-taking... 708 01:09:58,111 --> 01:09:59,112 Tristanesque... 709 01:09:59,737 --> 01:10:01,447 Tristanesque trip-taking, 710 01:10:01,614 --> 01:10:03,616 and permanent flame-fluttering. 711 01:10:03,783 --> 01:10:06,786 No photos required. Financial status immaterial. 712 01:10:06,953 --> 01:10:10,164 All ages and noncompetitive vocations considered. 713 01:10:10,331 --> 01:10:13,334 Applicants should furnish cassettes of sample conversation, 714 01:10:13,501 --> 01:10:16,796 notarized certification of marital disinclination, 715 01:10:16,963 --> 01:10:20,299 references re: low-decibel vocal consistency, 716 01:10:21,217 --> 01:10:23,136 itinerary, and... 717 01:10:24,595 --> 01:10:26,681 Itinerary and sample receipts 718 01:10:26,848 --> 01:10:30,435 from previous successfully completed out-of-town moth flights. 719 01:10:30,601 --> 01:10:32,895 All submissions treated confidentially. 720 01:10:33,062 --> 01:10:35,189 No paws need apply. 721 01:10:35,356 --> 01:10:37,984 The auditions for all promising candidates 722 01:10:38,151 --> 01:10:43,030 will be conducted to and on Anaton Penisend, Newfoundland." 723 01:10:57,670 --> 01:11:00,298 Toronto Star Classifieds. Good afternoon. 724 01:11:01,758 --> 01:11:02,633 Hello? 725 01:11:15,146 --> 01:11:18,149 -Valium, a minor tranquilizer 726 01:11:18,316 --> 01:11:21,152 <i>used to relieve symptoms of tension and anxiety.</i> 727 01:11:21,319 --> 01:11:24,781 Avoid using this medication in conjunction with antidepressants. 728 01:11:25,990 --> 01:11:28,618 Trifluoperazine, an antipsychotic, 729 01:11:28,785 --> 01:11:32,163 <i>prescribed for moderate to severe depression and anxiety.</i> 730 01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:35,041 This medication may cause an inability to sleep. 731 01:11:35,208 --> 01:11:37,794 Do not take in conjunction with barbiturates. 732 01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:39,253 Like other barbiturates, 733 01:11:39,420 --> 01:11:43,341 pentobarbital acts by interfering with nerve impulses to the brain. 734 01:11:43,508 --> 01:11:45,718 Long-term use may result in addiction. 735 01:11:45,885 --> 01:11:48,095 Side effects include drowsiness, lethargy, 736 01:11:48,262 --> 01:11:50,097 and a general allergic reaction. 737 01:11:52,016 --> 01:11:54,018 Librax is most commonly used 738 01:11:54,185 --> 01:11:58,314 to soothe the anxiety often associated with gastrointestinal disorders. 739 01:11:58,481 --> 01:12:00,525 The effects of Librax may be inhibited 740 01:12:00,691 --> 01:12:03,986 by certain medications used in the treatment of high blood pressure. 741 01:12:04,779 --> 01:12:07,657 Aldomet is used to control high blood pressure. 742 01:12:07,824 --> 01:12:09,992 A mild sedative effect or transient headache 743 01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:11,619 are possible side effects. 744 01:12:11,786 --> 01:12:15,039 Aldomet will increase the effectiveness of other antihypertensives. 745 01:12:15,665 --> 01:12:17,333 Clonidine acts in the brain 746 01:12:17,500 --> 01:12:19,919 by causing the dilation of certain blood vessels. 747 01:12:20,086 --> 01:12:23,881 Side effects include drowsiness, dizziness, headache, and fatigue. 748 01:12:24,048 --> 01:12:26,384 Indocin, a nonsteroidal agent 749 01:12:26,551 --> 01:12:29,762 used to treat various forms of joint and muscle inflammation. 750 01:12:29,929 --> 01:12:32,056 It can produce severe stomach upsets, 751 01:12:32,223 --> 01:12:36,060 rashes, itching, and even a ringing in the ears. 752 01:12:36,936 --> 01:12:38,563 Hydrochlorothiazide, 753 01:12:38,729 --> 01:12:42,191 an antihypertensive used in the treatment of high blood pressure. 754 01:12:42,358 --> 01:12:46,279 Side effects include headache, restlessness, and a depressed sex drive. 755 01:12:47,071 --> 01:12:51,450 <i>Septra, an anti-infective used to treat infections of the urinary tract.</i> 756 01:12:51,617 --> 01:12:56,205 May cause itching, rashes, drug-fever, or arthritis-like pain. 757 01:12:56,789 --> 01:12:59,667 Fiorinal, a nonnarcotic pain reliever, 758 01:12:59,834 --> 01:13:02,044 can lead to drug dependence or addiction. 759 01:13:02,211 --> 01:13:05,381 Interaction with phenylbutazone may cause stomach irritation. 760 01:13:06,424 --> 01:13:08,676 Phenylbutazone, an anti-inflammatory 761 01:13:08,843 --> 01:13:11,721 often used to treat pain in the shoulder due to bursitis. 762 01:13:11,888 --> 01:13:15,016 Prolonged use may lead lo excessive water retention. 763 01:13:15,725 --> 01:13:19,645 Chlorothiazide, a diuretic used in the treatment of high blood pressure 764 01:13:19,812 --> 01:13:23,941 <i>or in situations where it is necessary to rid the body of excess water.</i> 765 01:13:24,108 --> 01:13:27,445 Avoid using in conjunction with drugs that have a stimulant effect. 766 01:13:27,612 --> 01:13:30,740 Allopurinol, an anti-gout medication. 767 01:13:30,907 --> 01:13:34,577 A major side effect is exhaustion and a desire to sleep. 768 01:13:34,744 --> 01:13:37,330 Avoid tasks that require concentration. 769 01:13:45,588 --> 01:13:47,715 He didn't talk to me about drugs very much, 770 01:13:47,882 --> 01:13:50,384 except these instances when he would excuse himself, 771 01:13:50,551 --> 01:13:52,219 and then I-- It was interesting... 772 01:13:52,887 --> 01:13:56,182 Of course, there was a bathroom in this hotel suite, 773 01:13:56,349 --> 01:13:59,185 and I asked him if I could use the bathroom. 774 01:13:59,352 --> 01:14:01,896 These sessions went on for six and seven hours. 775 01:14:02,813 --> 01:14:03,856 And so I did-- 776 01:14:04,023 --> 01:14:07,109 I remember going in there and seeing, lined up on the wall, 777 01:14:07,276 --> 01:14:10,529 all of these different bottles, and I came out and I said, "Drug--" 778 01:14:10,696 --> 01:14:14,617 I said, "Glenn, surely you're not taking all this stuff, are you?" 779 01:14:14,784 --> 01:14:18,037 And he said, "Well, no, not all at once," and sort of laughed. 780 01:14:19,747 --> 01:14:21,624 I don't understand that in him. 781 01:14:21,791 --> 01:14:23,960 I never understood that in him. And he... 782 01:14:26,087 --> 01:14:32,802 I didn't have a feeling that he was acting in a way 783 01:14:32,969 --> 01:14:36,222 that had been produced by a drug. 784 01:14:36,389 --> 01:14:39,266 He was neither speeding, nor was he sort of, you know, 785 01:14:39,433 --> 01:14:43,479 not in control of his-- Any kinds of anything. 786 01:14:43,646 --> 01:14:45,731 And here was this lineup of bottles. 787 01:17:04,787 --> 01:17:07,039 Mr. Gould, we've covered a lot of the topics 788 01:17:07,206 --> 01:17:08,791 that I wanted to cover with you. 789 01:17:08,958 --> 01:17:13,003 But could we perhaps move on to some of the more personal questions? 790 01:17:13,170 --> 01:17:17,424 Tell me, do you believe in the supernatural or in ESP? 791 01:17:18,884 --> 01:17:21,679 You know, no one's ever asked me that before. 792 01:17:22,555 --> 01:17:26,142 Do I believe in the supernatural? Of course, yes... 793 01:17:26,684 --> 01:17:28,060 and no. 794 01:17:28,227 --> 01:17:30,479 That is to say, 795 01:17:30,980 --> 01:17:34,358 uh, I don't hold with this notion 796 01:17:34,525 --> 01:17:39,822 that one's mind can be read like a book or some such thing. 797 01:17:40,698 --> 01:17:46,787 But that there are certain inexplicable coincidences in the world 798 01:17:46,954 --> 01:17:48,998 seems to me patently obvious. 799 01:17:49,748 --> 01:17:52,585 Have you ever experienced any of those coincidences? 800 01:17:52,751 --> 01:17:54,086 Could you tell me about it? 801 01:17:54,712 --> 01:17:56,797 Yes, several times, 802 01:17:56,964 --> 01:18:01,218 the oddest being when I was very young, about 9 years old. 803 01:18:01,802 --> 01:18:04,513 I should preface this by saying 804 01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,558 that I've always been fascinated by dreams 805 01:18:07,725 --> 01:18:12,938 and the kind of feeling that they leave one with. 806 01:18:14,023 --> 01:18:17,276 There's a certain horrible feeling, 807 01:18:18,068 --> 01:18:20,821 a tragic sense of loss 808 01:18:20,988 --> 01:18:24,325 that one can derive only from a dream. 809 01:18:26,577 --> 01:18:30,789 Yeah, anyway, at this time, I was about 9 years old... 810 01:18:30,956 --> 01:18:32,875 Pardon me. 811 01:18:33,042 --> 01:18:37,630 Uh, about 9 years old, and I had this peculiar dream 812 01:18:37,796 --> 01:18:41,884 in which I saw myself covered with red spots. 813 01:18:43,093 --> 01:18:45,971 The next morning, when I mentioned it to my mother, 814 01:18:46,138 --> 01:18:48,515 she'd had exactly the same dream. 815 01:18:50,059 --> 01:18:53,229 Now, at that time, there was no hint of measles, 816 01:18:53,395 --> 01:18:56,899 no epidemic, no worry of any kind, 817 01:18:57,066 --> 01:18:59,985 so the dream certainly couldn't have been affected 818 01:19:00,152 --> 01:19:04,823 by any external common suggestion. 819 01:19:04,990 --> 01:19:09,370 And yet, four days later, I got the measles. 820 01:19:09,870 --> 01:19:11,830 -Interesting. -Hmm. 821 01:19:11,997 --> 01:19:13,707 Tell me, continuing, 822 01:19:13,874 --> 01:19:16,669 what do you believe regarding afterlife? 823 01:19:18,545 --> 01:19:21,298 Well, I was brought up a Presbyterian, 824 01:19:21,465 --> 01:19:26,428 though I stopped being a churchgoer at about the age of 18. 825 01:19:27,680 --> 01:19:33,477 Um... I've always felt tremendously strongly that... 826 01:19:34,853 --> 01:19:38,941 there is indeed a hereafter 827 01:19:39,108 --> 01:19:42,278 with which we must all reckon, 828 01:19:42,945 --> 01:19:45,197 in light of which we must live our lives, 829 01:19:45,364 --> 01:19:52,204 and there is that inevitability of the transformation of the spirit. 830 01:19:52,788 --> 01:19:54,498 As a consequence, 831 01:19:54,665 --> 01:19:59,295 I find all here-and-now philosophies quite repellent, 832 01:19:59,461 --> 01:20:00,754 lax, if you will. 833 01:20:01,505 --> 01:20:06,093 I realize, however, that there's a great temptation 834 01:20:06,260 --> 01:20:11,557 to formulate a comfortable theory about eternal life 835 01:20:11,724 --> 01:20:15,561 so as to reconcile oneself to the inevitability of death. 836 01:20:15,728 --> 01:20:19,231 But... I'd like to think that's not what I'm doing. 837 01:20:19,398 --> 01:20:22,568 I don't believe I'm trying to create for myself 838 01:20:22,735 --> 01:20:26,989 a deliberate self-reassuring process. 839 01:20:27,156 --> 01:20:29,992 It just seems intuitively right. 840 01:20:31,035 --> 01:20:35,789 I've never had to work very hard at convincing myself of a hereafter. 841 01:20:36,999 --> 01:20:40,919 After all, don't you think it seems infinitely more plausible 842 01:20:41,086 --> 01:20:43,756 than its opposite, oblivion? 843 01:20:53,015 --> 01:20:55,476 Hello, Jessie? It's me. 844 01:20:55,642 --> 01:20:58,937 I wonder, could indulge me for a moment? I'm in a bit of a state. 845 01:21:00,898 --> 01:21:03,025 Well, I was driving along 846 01:21:03,192 --> 01:21:05,819 when I suddenly remembered that story about Schoenberg. 847 01:21:06,695 --> 01:21:07,696 Schoenberg. 848 01:21:08,947 --> 01:21:12,493 Remember, he was obsessed with numerology, numbers and so forth. 849 01:21:12,659 --> 01:21:15,245 So much so that when he turned 65, 850 01:21:15,746 --> 01:21:20,042 he was terrified that he was going to die because his age was divisible by 13. 851 01:21:20,751 --> 01:21:25,547 So he consulted an astrologer friend, who assured him that he would survive 852 01:21:25,714 --> 01:21:28,717 until the next time the numbers conspired against him. 853 01:21:28,884 --> 01:21:34,223 "Well, great," he thought, "Another 13 years. 854 01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:36,266 I'll be fine until I'm 78." 855 01:21:36,934 --> 01:21:40,020 Well, 11 years later, however, when he was 76, 856 01:21:40,521 --> 01:21:43,357 the astrologer wrote back to warn him that it's not only numbers 857 01:21:43,524 --> 01:21:46,652 that are divisible by 13 that he ought to watch out for 858 01:21:46,819 --> 01:21:49,780 but also those whose digits add up to 13. 859 01:21:50,656 --> 01:21:52,908 For example, 76. 860 01:21:54,701 --> 01:21:58,497 Needless to say, he was petrified, but not for long. 861 01:21:59,623 --> 01:22:01,500 Three months later, he died. 862 01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,045 July 13th, 1951. 863 01:22:06,797 --> 01:22:08,257 I can't help it. Um... 864 01:22:09,091 --> 01:22:11,510 I'm 49 tomorrow, 865 01:22:12,094 --> 01:22:15,139 and Schoenberg's still talking to me. 866 01:22:18,642 --> 01:22:19,560 Jessie? 867 01:22:20,727 --> 01:22:21,854 Jessie, are you there? 868 01:22:25,566 --> 01:22:29,611 The week before he died, I remember it in great detail. 869 01:22:30,112 --> 01:22:31,655 And it's funny that-- 870 01:22:31,822 --> 01:22:35,451 It's peculiar that I do remember it in such detail, 871 01:22:35,617 --> 01:22:39,705 because many of the times, our conversations were light 872 01:22:40,164 --> 01:22:42,875 and just banter between two good friends. 873 01:22:43,041 --> 01:22:46,128 But that week before Glenn died, 874 01:22:46,295 --> 01:22:48,755 everything was serious. 875 01:22:48,922 --> 01:22:54,678 He couldn't control the birthday that was coming up, the celebration. 876 01:22:54,845 --> 01:22:57,181 He couldn't-- He seemed to think 877 01:22:57,347 --> 01:23:00,559 everything was slipping away from his control. 878 01:23:01,059 --> 01:23:05,647 And he was obsessed with this feeling that he wondered, 879 01:23:05,814 --> 01:23:10,319 would people recognize him and come to a funeral? 880 01:23:10,486 --> 01:23:14,406 And we'd never talked about anything like that before. 881 01:23:17,117 --> 01:23:19,411 But he said that he wanted-- 882 01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:22,998 He didn't-- He would like to be like Huckleberry Finn 883 01:23:23,165 --> 01:23:25,167 and come to his own funeral, 884 01:23:25,834 --> 01:23:30,047 because he didn't think that there would be people who came. 885 01:23:30,214 --> 01:23:34,468 He didn't think that the world loved him like they did, and... 886 01:23:34,968 --> 01:23:37,888 He knew about how the records were selling. 887 01:23:38,430 --> 01:23:40,432 He knew that they were very... 888 01:23:41,558 --> 01:23:45,395 That Japanese people bought a lot of them, 889 01:23:45,562 --> 01:23:49,900 that people in Central Europe 890 01:23:50,067 --> 01:23:52,819 and in Asia bought a lot of them. 891 01:23:52,986 --> 01:23:58,408 But he just didn't think that he was that important. 892 01:23:59,326 --> 01:24:02,955 And it never surfaced, to me at least, 893 01:24:03,121 --> 01:24:05,624 that he felt his own... 894 01:24:09,586 --> 01:24:10,504 fame. 895 01:24:11,838 --> 01:24:15,259 His humility was beyond everything. 896 01:24:17,261 --> 01:24:20,264 And when I saw the people pour into the... 897 01:24:22,724 --> 01:24:24,434 St. Paul's Cathedral, 898 01:24:24,601 --> 01:24:28,146 I couldn't help but believe, "Oh, Glenn, you were wrong, 899 01:24:28,313 --> 01:24:31,316 for probably the first time in your life." 900 01:24:31,483 --> 01:24:35,779 You know, 'cause he always liked to think he never was wrong. 901 01:26:22,636 --> 01:26:25,055 Hello, Jessie? It's me. 902 01:26:25,681 --> 01:26:29,893 I was just out driving along, and guess what came on the radio. 903 01:26:30,686 --> 01:26:31,561 Here. 904 01:26:38,110 --> 01:26:39,027 Well? 905 01:26:40,237 --> 01:26:43,448 Yes, sure, it's one of the French Suites, but which one? 906 01:26:49,705 --> 01:26:52,666 And there you have it, Johann Sebastian Bach, 907 01:26:52,833 --> 01:26:54,876 the "Sarabande from French Suite No. 1," 908 01:26:55,043 --> 01:26:58,338 performed with the unmistakable genius of the young Glenn Gould. 909 01:26:59,715 --> 01:27:03,301 Tragically, Mr. Gould passed away this morning at the age of 50. 910 01:27:03,468 --> 01:27:07,681 He died in hospital in Toronto after suffering a stroke last week. 911 01:27:07,848 --> 01:27:10,559 Since that time, he had been on a life-support system 912 01:27:10,726 --> 01:27:12,686 and never regained consciousness. 913 01:28:22,672 --> 01:28:24,966 In the fall of 1977, 914 01:28:25,133 --> 01:28:30,180 the U.S. government sent two ships, Voyagers 1 and 2, into space, 915 01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:34,184 <i>where they are eventually destined to reach the edge of our galaxy.</i> 916 01:28:35,602 --> 01:28:39,731 <i>In the hope that someone, somewhere, would intercept these craft,</i> 917 01:28:40,232 --> 01:28:43,151 a variety of messages were placed on board 918 01:28:43,318 --> 01:28:45,821 that would be capable of communicating the existence 919 01:28:45,987 --> 01:28:50,450 of an intelligent creature living on a planet called Earth. 920 01:28:51,952 --> 01:28:56,331 Among these was included a short prelude by Johann Sebastian Bach, 921 01:28:57,833 --> 01:29:00,043 as performed by Glenn Gould. 922 01:29:02,921 --> 01:29:07,008 Voyagers 1 and 2 left our solar system, respectively, 923 01:29:07,175 --> 01:29:10,720 in 1987 and 1989. 923 01:29:11,305 --> 01:30:11,594