Oklahoma City Bombing: American Terror

1 00:00:07,007 --> 00:00:08,298 [elevator bell dings] 2 00:00:08,299 --> 00:00:09,717 [unsettling music playing] 3 00:00:09,718 --> 00:00:11,678 - [door opens] - [woman 1] There we go. 4 00:00:13,555 --> 00:00:14,763 And everyone's wondering 5 00:00:14,764 --> 00:00:17,142 why I'm walking around with this video camera. 6 00:00:18,309 --> 00:00:21,270 There's Claudine, one of our collection people. 7 00:00:21,271 --> 00:00:24,148 Filmin' this so my mom can see where I work. 8 00:00:24,149 --> 00:00:26,484 [phone rings] 9 00:00:28,361 --> 00:00:31,780 [woman 1] This is collections department. I don't think anybody's here though. 10 00:00:31,781 --> 00:00:34,241 [laughing] I'm here, stupid. 11 00:00:34,242 --> 00:00:36,076 [woman 1] Well, I was lookin' the other way. 12 00:00:36,077 --> 00:00:39,621 And then in here is Pammy, and she is just a sweetheart. 13 00:00:39,622 --> 00:00:40,790 Oh, yeah. 14 00:00:44,252 --> 00:00:46,462 [woman 2] I was working at the credit union 15 00:00:46,463 --> 00:00:48,630 in the federal building downtown. 16 00:00:48,631 --> 00:00:51,008 {\an8}Hi, Mr. Mog. This is Amy at the credit union. 17 00:00:51,009 --> 00:00:52,593 {\an8}I was really excited 18 00:00:52,594 --> 00:00:55,596 {\an8}because I was getting ready to close on my first house. 19 00:00:55,597 --> 00:00:58,307 So when I went to work that morning, 20 00:00:58,308 --> 00:01:00,434 I was chatting about it with my friends. 21 00:01:00,435 --> 00:01:02,478 - [woman 1] There's Claudette. - Hi! 22 00:01:02,479 --> 00:01:05,607 [Amy] And just running around, talking to everybody, visiting. 23 00:01:06,608 --> 00:01:08,317 Not doing any work, you know. 24 00:01:08,318 --> 00:01:09,611 Hi, Mom. 25 00:01:10,111 --> 00:01:12,404 [Amy] I really liked the people that I worked with. 26 00:01:12,405 --> 00:01:14,573 There was a general sense of community in the building. 27 00:01:14,574 --> 00:01:15,908 She's Mary. 28 00:01:15,909 --> 00:01:17,034 Hi, Mom and Dad. 29 00:01:17,035 --> 00:01:20,412 [Amy] And my entire friend group was work. 30 00:01:20,413 --> 00:01:21,831 Those were my friends. 31 00:01:24,709 --> 00:01:25,877 I took it for granted. 32 00:01:26,377 --> 00:01:28,545 - [crow cawing] - [unsettling music continues] 33 00:01:28,546 --> 00:01:31,590 [Amy] The agencies in the federal building were 34 00:01:31,591 --> 00:01:37,971 Social Security, HUD, ATF, Secret Service, and then you had a daycare. 35 00:01:37,972 --> 00:01:40,058 [unsettling music swells] 36 00:01:41,643 --> 00:01:43,269 [muffled children's voices] 37 00:01:46,940 --> 00:01:51,193 {\an8}[woman] Little Tony was six months old at the time. 38 00:01:51,194 --> 00:01:56,950 And I was working as a judge's bailiff at the county courthouse down the road. 39 00:01:57,826 --> 00:01:59,868 {\an8}I wanted to see and check on him throughout the day. 40 00:01:59,869 --> 00:02:03,247 {\an8}So the daycare in the Murrah building was close, 41 00:02:03,248 --> 00:02:05,040 so we decided to put him there. 42 00:02:05,041 --> 00:02:06,875 [helicopter blades whirring] 43 00:02:06,876 --> 00:02:09,795 A big treat coming your way on today's Oklahoma at Four. 44 00:02:09,796 --> 00:02:12,464 We're going to be taking you into the fantasy world... 45 00:02:12,465 --> 00:02:17,761 {\an8}I was 30 years old. I had worked at Channel 9 for nine days. 46 00:02:17,762 --> 00:02:19,638 {\an8}Driving to work that morning, I was excited 47 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,683 {\an8}because I was gonna be the four o'clock anchor in the afternoon, 48 00:02:22,684 --> 00:02:26,186 and we were starting to lay the groundwork out for this new show 49 00:02:26,187 --> 00:02:28,355 that was going to be starting at Channel 9. 50 00:02:28,356 --> 00:02:30,983 I had a green jacket and this big white shirt, 51 00:02:30,984 --> 00:02:33,152 and I thought, "I'm gonna get my nice jewelry on," 52 00:02:33,153 --> 00:02:34,778 and I wanted to look good. 53 00:02:34,779 --> 00:02:37,406 And I remember driving to work just full of excitement. 54 00:02:37,407 --> 00:02:38,782 It was a beautiful day. 55 00:02:38,783 --> 00:02:40,451 [tense music building] 56 00:02:41,202 --> 00:02:42,287 Do we have any... 57 00:02:42,871 --> 00:02:44,788 {\an8}I was working at the University of Oklahoma 58 00:02:44,789 --> 00:02:47,749 {\an8}as a third-year resident in emergency medicine and trauma. 59 00:02:47,750 --> 00:02:51,628 By the time I got off at 7 in the morning, I was half-dizzy, half-nauseated, 60 00:02:51,629 --> 00:02:53,423 and wanted to go to bed. 61 00:02:54,883 --> 00:02:57,467 A friend of mine called, and he wanted to go to breakfast. 62 00:02:57,468 --> 00:03:00,597 In the four years I was at OU, I'd never gone to breakfast, 63 00:03:01,431 --> 00:03:03,224 but I agreed to this one time. 64 00:03:03,933 --> 00:03:05,101 [utensils clatter] 65 00:03:08,479 --> 00:03:12,274 [Amy] One of my coworkers, Robin, who was seven months pregnant, 66 00:03:12,275 --> 00:03:15,612 came and sat down in the desk beside me. 67 00:03:16,446 --> 00:03:18,823 - And the phone rang. - [phone rings] 68 00:03:19,449 --> 00:03:24,828 The next thing I know, I'm hearing this roaring in my head. 69 00:03:24,829 --> 00:03:27,623 - [clock ticking] - [tense music fades] 70 00:03:27,624 --> 00:03:28,665 [ticking stops] 71 00:03:28,666 --> 00:03:31,376 - [crashing explosion] - [glass shatters] 72 00:03:31,377 --> 00:03:33,046 [metal groaning] 73 00:03:35,423 --> 00:03:37,425 [sinister strings playing] 74 00:03:42,347 --> 00:03:43,389 [music stops] 75 00:03:45,808 --> 00:03:48,061 [officer] 76 00:03:48,770 --> 00:03:50,437 [dispatcher] 77 00:03:50,438 --> 00:03:52,649 [officer 1] 78 00:03:58,154 --> 00:04:01,865 [officer 2] 79 00:04:01,866 --> 00:04:03,867 [officer 3] 80 00:04:03,868 --> 00:04:05,870 [birds chirping] 81 00:04:09,415 --> 00:04:11,709 [man] April 19th was a special day. 82 00:04:12,210 --> 00:04:13,377 We had a fundraiser 83 00:04:13,378 --> 00:04:16,089 for the Special Olympics. It was a golf tournament. 84 00:04:16,965 --> 00:04:20,677 Almost all of the heads of law enforcement agencies were there. 85 00:04:21,302 --> 00:04:26,266 {\an8}We had just hit our first tee shots, and all of a sudden, my pager goes off. 86 00:04:27,767 --> 00:04:32,689 And then, all the other agency heads, their pagers started going off as well. 87 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:36,275 We were told there's been some type of a bombing 88 00:04:36,276 --> 00:04:37,567 at the federal building. 89 00:04:37,568 --> 00:04:40,529 We then proceeded back to Oklahoma City, 90 00:04:40,530 --> 00:04:45,409 but we never thought it would be at the level that actually occurred. 91 00:04:45,410 --> 00:04:47,160 {\an8}I'm Tammy Payne, at TV 9 newsroom. 92 00:04:47,161 --> 00:04:50,706 {\an8}If you are anywhere downtown, you probably heard it and felt it. 93 00:04:50,707 --> 00:04:53,917 {\an8}An explosion of some kind downtown. 94 00:04:53,918 --> 00:04:56,420 Here is a live picture from Ranger 9. 95 00:04:56,421 --> 00:04:58,046 Jesse is in Chopper 9. 96 00:04:58,047 --> 00:05:01,175 Jesse, tell us what you're seeing from the air. 97 00:05:01,676 --> 00:05:03,802 [Jesse] Tammy, you can see thick black smoke 98 00:05:03,803 --> 00:05:06,555 billowing from the federal court building downtown. 99 00:05:06,556 --> 00:05:10,267 We can see glass blown out of other downtown office buildings 100 00:05:10,268 --> 00:05:12,227 about five blocks away. 101 00:05:12,228 --> 00:05:13,979 {\an8}[dramatic percussive music] 102 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:15,023 {\an8}[Jesse] Tammy. 103 00:05:16,190 --> 00:05:17,065 Tammy. 104 00:05:17,066 --> 00:05:21,069 It looks like part of the building has been blown away. 105 00:05:21,070 --> 00:05:22,946 We'll have to bank around to the other side. 106 00:05:22,947 --> 00:05:25,032 [Tammy] It's the federal building, we're being told. 107 00:05:25,033 --> 00:05:29,703 My mic is open, is that correct? If you... Let's try to keep my mic open if we can, 108 00:05:29,704 --> 00:05:31,455 and I'll be able to talk with Jesse. 109 00:05:31,456 --> 00:05:34,958 If you are... As the chopper goes around the side of the federal building... 110 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:37,252 - [Jesse] Wow. Holy cow. - [Tammy] Look at that shot. 111 00:05:37,253 --> 00:05:39,046 It is absolutely incredible. 112 00:05:39,047 --> 00:05:42,007 The side of the federal building has been blown off. Jesse? 113 00:05:42,008 --> 00:05:45,011 [Jesse] About a third of the building has been blown away. 114 00:05:45,511 --> 00:05:50,182 And you can see this smoke and debris and fire on the ground. 115 00:05:50,183 --> 00:05:52,185 Downtown, on the ground. 116 00:05:52,685 --> 00:05:54,479 Uh, this is just devastating. 117 00:05:55,438 --> 00:05:59,149 And we are uncertain what caused the explosion at this time. 118 00:05:59,150 --> 00:06:00,901 [Carl] We were having breakfast, 119 00:06:00,902 --> 00:06:03,862 and then there was this explosion that rocked us out of our table. 120 00:06:03,863 --> 00:06:06,157 [distant sirens wailing] 121 00:06:07,158 --> 00:06:11,620 I got up and I walked to the door, and it was raining, like, paper. 122 00:06:11,621 --> 00:06:14,831 It was, like, snowing paper. And there was debris everywhere. 123 00:06:14,832 --> 00:06:16,583 [faint car alarm wailing] 124 00:06:16,584 --> 00:06:18,752 [Carl] But it was surreal. Dead quiet. 125 00:06:18,753 --> 00:06:20,253 [footsteps crunch softly] 126 00:06:20,254 --> 00:06:22,589 [Carl] There was a car alarm in the distance. 127 00:06:22,590 --> 00:06:24,716 Other than that, you could hear the birds chirping. 128 00:06:24,717 --> 00:06:25,884 [birds chirping] 129 00:06:25,885 --> 00:06:28,512 When the shockwave propagated down the street, 130 00:06:28,513 --> 00:06:31,723 it sucked all the windows out of the high-rise buildings. 131 00:06:31,724 --> 00:06:33,809 It just crushed all the cars flat. 132 00:06:33,810 --> 00:06:35,685 [eerie music playing] 133 00:06:35,686 --> 00:06:38,772 And I took off running for the federal building. 134 00:06:38,773 --> 00:06:40,816 [dramatic music playing] 135 00:06:40,817 --> 00:06:45,446 [Renee] When the explosion happened, we were in court, and you could feel it. 136 00:06:45,947 --> 00:06:48,240 The ceiling tiles came in. 137 00:06:48,241 --> 00:06:49,616 Windows shattered. 138 00:06:49,617 --> 00:06:51,743 - [man] Let's go. - [woman] Evacuate. 139 00:06:51,744 --> 00:06:54,996 People shouting, "Get out. Evacuate. Get out." 140 00:06:54,997 --> 00:06:57,165 - [sirens wailing] - [people screaming] 141 00:06:57,166 --> 00:06:58,626 [Renee] It was chaotic. 142 00:07:06,467 --> 00:07:09,553 [Renee] I could hear people saying, "What happened?" 143 00:07:09,554 --> 00:07:13,433 That was when I heard the policemen tell someone else in the crowd 144 00:07:14,183 --> 00:07:18,353 the explosion happened at the Murrah building. 145 00:07:18,354 --> 00:07:21,731 And I was like, "No," and I just remember, I started screaming. 146 00:07:21,732 --> 00:07:24,526 - [fire alarm ringing] - [music darkens] 147 00:07:24,527 --> 00:07:28,697 [Carl] When I showed up, the parking lot was completely engulfed in flames. 148 00:07:28,698 --> 00:07:32,118 The building had been cut in half, so you could see into the building. 149 00:07:33,536 --> 00:07:36,163 People had come out, and they were walking like zombies, 150 00:07:36,164 --> 00:07:39,125 and they'd walk as far as they could walk and collapse. 151 00:07:40,126 --> 00:07:41,461 They were in shock. 152 00:07:42,086 --> 00:07:45,046 One young lady made it all the way to the curb, 153 00:07:45,047 --> 00:07:46,798 and she was staring off into space. 154 00:07:46,799 --> 00:07:48,717 So I walked up and said, "Are you okay?" 155 00:07:48,718 --> 00:07:50,844 And she looked at me, and she goes, 156 00:07:50,845 --> 00:07:52,971 "I don't know. I don't know." 157 00:07:52,972 --> 00:07:55,183 She had no idea what had happened to her. 158 00:07:56,184 --> 00:07:57,434 [anchor] Robin, on the scene. 159 00:07:57,435 --> 00:07:59,561 - Robin, are you with us? - [Robin] Yes, I am. 160 00:07:59,562 --> 00:08:00,562 {\an8}It's unbelievable. 161 00:08:00,563 --> 00:08:03,523 {\an8}The thing everyone here is saying, "You would never believe 162 00:08:03,524 --> 00:08:05,735 {\an8}that this would happen in Oklahoma City." 163 00:08:06,402 --> 00:08:09,946 As a reporter, and as a person, as a human, this is my community. 164 00:08:09,947 --> 00:08:12,742 You're torn in many different directions of 165 00:08:13,242 --> 00:08:14,284 how do you do your job, 166 00:08:14,285 --> 00:08:16,661 and how are you hurting for all these people? 167 00:08:16,662 --> 00:08:20,457 You've treated people. What were they telling you, the people who were hurt? 168 00:08:20,458 --> 00:08:22,542 Just shock. They were just totally in shock. 169 00:08:22,543 --> 00:08:27,131 I remember, not too far away was a police officer, literally just 170 00:08:28,341 --> 00:08:29,257 overwhelmed. 171 00:08:29,258 --> 00:08:31,343 [distant sirens wailing] 172 00:08:31,344 --> 00:08:34,596 I think that's maybe the best word for all of us. 173 00:08:34,597 --> 00:08:37,432 Just... overwhelmed. 174 00:08:37,433 --> 00:08:40,310 [dramatic music pulsing] 175 00:08:40,311 --> 00:08:44,272 When you are involved in a major case, you know it's gonna be total chaos. 176 00:08:44,273 --> 00:08:47,401 This is just ridiculous. I mean, this... I can't believe this. 177 00:08:48,694 --> 00:08:51,821 [Bob] First thing I did was get control of the perimeter, 178 00:08:51,822 --> 00:08:54,366 because you're trying to protect a crime scene. 179 00:08:54,367 --> 00:08:56,744 How many times do I have to say it? Back up! 180 00:08:57,912 --> 00:08:59,412 [Renee] The streets were blocked off. 181 00:08:59,413 --> 00:09:03,417 I kept trying to get in. Could not get in because they wouldn't let us through. 182 00:09:03,918 --> 00:09:06,002 I remember screaming at a police officer, 183 00:09:06,003 --> 00:09:10,883 and I said, "I have to get through. I've got to get to my son." 184 00:09:11,467 --> 00:09:12,885 "He's at the daycare." 185 00:09:13,511 --> 00:09:15,845 And at that point, he said, 186 00:09:15,846 --> 00:09:18,891 "All the children are being taken to the hospital." 187 00:09:19,475 --> 00:09:22,018 {\an8}Quite hectic here. They're trying to keep it together. 188 00:09:22,019 --> 00:09:25,188 {\an8}We have not had any reports of fatalities at this point. 189 00:09:25,189 --> 00:09:27,607 {\an8}Definitely, like I said, plenty of injuries. 190 00:09:27,608 --> 00:09:30,528 Obviously, we wanted to get a handle of all this, 191 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:36,616 but in this case, the savings of lives was paramount over anything else. 192 00:09:36,617 --> 00:09:38,369 [indistinct overlapping voices] 193 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:40,579 [Carl] It was going so fast. 194 00:09:40,580 --> 00:09:43,873 You'd have five, ten, fifteen seconds to assess somebody. 195 00:09:43,874 --> 00:09:46,209 [man] Okay, whenever you're ready, we're ready to-- 196 00:09:46,210 --> 00:09:49,296 [Carl] So I'm looking for signs of life. Any signs of life. 197 00:09:49,297 --> 00:09:52,299 Corneal reflexes, respirations, heart rate, pulse. 198 00:09:52,300 --> 00:09:57,096 Anything that would give me an indication that there's at least one sign of life. 199 00:09:57,722 --> 00:10:00,307 I would say which ones were gonna go first, 200 00:10:00,308 --> 00:10:02,435 and which ones could wait a few minutes. 201 00:10:03,227 --> 00:10:04,728 This is one of the critical! 202 00:10:04,729 --> 00:10:07,648 And then which ones were not gonna go. 203 00:10:08,816 --> 00:10:11,193 That's mass casualty triage right there. 204 00:10:11,861 --> 00:10:13,069 Can you tell me your name? 205 00:10:13,070 --> 00:10:15,530 [Carl] And to compound all of that, you had children. 206 00:10:15,531 --> 00:10:16,949 Can you tell me your name? 207 00:10:19,327 --> 00:10:21,996 [wailing] Our babies... 208 00:10:22,496 --> 00:10:24,498 [screaming sobs] 209 00:10:26,042 --> 00:10:28,001 [Carl] I saw only one of those children come out 210 00:10:28,002 --> 00:10:29,336 with any signs of life. 211 00:10:29,337 --> 00:10:31,504 And right behind her, there was an older lady 212 00:10:31,505 --> 00:10:35,634 they'd brought out on a gurney, and both are agonally breathing. 213 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:37,510 [siren wailing] 214 00:10:37,511 --> 00:10:40,389 But the child had catastrophic head injuries, 215 00:10:41,140 --> 00:10:44,643 so I tell 'em to wrap her up, 216 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:47,103 move her over into the temporary morgue we had, 217 00:10:47,104 --> 00:10:51,149 and somebody stay with the child until she stopped breathing. 218 00:10:51,150 --> 00:10:56,322 A lot of people didn't take that well. And they... cussed me. 219 00:10:56,822 --> 00:10:59,241 They said, "You gotta be fucking kidding me." 220 00:10:59,950 --> 00:11:03,620 And I said, "There's nothing to save. I got a woman here." 221 00:11:03,621 --> 00:11:07,082 "I've got two more coming out. We've had way too many." 222 00:11:07,083 --> 00:11:09,001 [solemn music playing] 223 00:11:10,711 --> 00:11:13,464 And when I stood up and turned around, her mother was behind me. 224 00:11:14,465 --> 00:11:16,842 She was lost. And... 225 00:11:19,470 --> 00:11:21,764 [clicks tongue, sniffles] 226 00:11:24,392 --> 00:11:26,852 She didn't go with her child. She just waved. 227 00:11:27,645 --> 00:11:28,603 She just like... 228 00:11:28,604 --> 00:11:32,857 When we took her away, she just waved... and walked off. 229 00:11:32,858 --> 00:11:34,443 [music fades] 230 00:11:42,410 --> 00:11:43,993 [inhales shakily] 231 00:11:43,994 --> 00:11:46,496 - [exhales deeply] - [helicopter blades whirring] 232 00:11:46,497 --> 00:11:48,916 [tense music playing] 233 00:11:51,085 --> 00:11:53,170 [tense music building] 234 00:12:01,637 --> 00:12:05,432 [man] Oklahoma City headquarters was dispatching one unit after another 235 00:12:05,433 --> 00:12:06,599 to the downtown area. 236 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,061 We knew something major was going on. 237 00:12:10,521 --> 00:12:12,522 {\an8}I got a radio call from my headquarters, 238 00:12:12,523 --> 00:12:15,483 {\an8}telling me to remain in my area on routine patrol. 239 00:12:15,484 --> 00:12:17,361 [indistinct radio chatter] 240 00:12:20,614 --> 00:12:24,618 [Hanger] I was driving on the interstate, coming up behind an old yellow Mercury. 241 00:12:27,329 --> 00:12:31,082 I see that there was no license plate on the rear bumper of this vehicle... 242 00:12:31,083 --> 00:12:32,167 [police siren wails] 243 00:12:32,168 --> 00:12:35,629 ...so I hit the lights and siren and pulled him over. 244 00:12:37,506 --> 00:12:40,049 And then I opened my driver's door and yelled, 245 00:12:40,050 --> 00:12:42,011 "Driver, step out of the vehicle." 246 00:12:43,471 --> 00:12:45,264 He didn't get out immediately. 247 00:12:47,349 --> 00:12:49,935 I yelled again, "Driver, exit your vehicle." 248 00:12:52,104 --> 00:12:54,565 And the driver's door of his vehicle came open. 249 00:12:56,692 --> 00:12:58,985 He was a tall, slender guy. 250 00:12:58,986 --> 00:13:00,780 A military-style haircut. 251 00:13:01,614 --> 00:13:03,907 So I ask him, "Do you have a driver's license?" 252 00:13:03,908 --> 00:13:06,075 And he went to his right rear pocket, 253 00:13:06,076 --> 00:13:09,497 and I saw a bulge under his left arm that looked like a weapon. 254 00:13:10,206 --> 00:13:13,208 I grabbed the outside of the jacket where the bulge is, 255 00:13:13,209 --> 00:13:15,418 and at the same time I'm pulling my weapon out, 256 00:13:15,419 --> 00:13:17,128 and I stick it to the back of his head. 257 00:13:17,129 --> 00:13:20,298 And he said, "Well, my weapon is loaded." 258 00:13:20,299 --> 00:13:23,426 And I nudged him in the back of the head with the barrel of my pistol, 259 00:13:23,427 --> 00:13:24,845 and I said, "So is mine." 260 00:13:26,222 --> 00:13:27,806 I searched him and handcuffed him, 261 00:13:27,807 --> 00:13:31,142 and I take his license, and I call my dispatcher. 262 00:13:31,143 --> 00:13:34,980 I ask her to run a check to see if Tim McVeigh was wanted. 263 00:13:38,818 --> 00:13:42,195 The car was not reported stolen. He's not reported wanted. 264 00:13:42,196 --> 00:13:46,283 And I can't find a criminal record, but he was carrying a loaded weapon, 265 00:13:46,951 --> 00:13:49,661 and that's why he was taken into physical custody. 266 00:13:49,662 --> 00:13:53,415 - [birds chirping] - [intense percussive music] 267 00:13:53,916 --> 00:13:55,000 [woman] I remember that day. 268 00:13:55,751 --> 00:13:58,587 {\an8}I was... glued to the TV. 269 00:13:59,713 --> 00:14:04,844 {\an8}And then, Charlie walks in with a guy that's just like anybody else, 270 00:14:06,178 --> 00:14:07,679 on misdemeanor charges. 271 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:09,264 The standard operating procedure 272 00:14:09,265 --> 00:14:11,599 for someone booked in on traffic and misdemeanors 273 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:14,227 is that they are released early the next morning. 274 00:14:14,228 --> 00:14:16,272 [Marsha] I did his fingerprints. 275 00:14:16,772 --> 00:14:17,897 He was not sweaty. 276 00:14:17,898 --> 00:14:19,732 His palms didn't perspire. 277 00:14:19,733 --> 00:14:23,361 He was calm, and he was watching TV with us. 278 00:14:23,362 --> 00:14:28,241 {\an8}Marsha Moritz and I were discussing what we were seeing on the television, 279 00:14:28,242 --> 00:14:31,703 {\an8}and McVeigh had looked up at the television a couple times, 280 00:14:31,704 --> 00:14:34,539 {\an8}but he never made any comment about what he was seeing. 281 00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:37,500 Then, after that, I took his picture. 282 00:14:37,501 --> 00:14:41,045 {\an8}[anchor] Workers are having to crawl through the wreckage to try... 283 00:14:41,046 --> 00:14:44,090 {\an8}[McVeigh] 284 00:14:44,091 --> 00:14:45,675 {\an8}[anchor] ...they're talking to victims... 285 00:14:45,676 --> 00:14:50,179 {\an8}[McVeigh] 286 00:14:50,180 --> 00:14:52,308 {\an8}[dissonant strings build] 287 00:14:54,643 --> 00:14:56,436 - [music cuts out] - [water dripping] 288 00:14:56,437 --> 00:14:59,023 - [woman moans] - [faint alarm blaring] 289 00:14:59,899 --> 00:15:01,482 [Amy] My body was numb... 290 00:15:01,483 --> 00:15:02,650 [faint coughing] 291 00:15:02,651 --> 00:15:04,028 ...and I couldn't move. 292 00:15:05,029 --> 00:15:07,031 I couldn't really feel much of anything. 293 00:15:08,198 --> 00:15:09,616 [debris creaking] 294 00:15:09,617 --> 00:15:12,118 It was hot and dark. 295 00:15:12,119 --> 00:15:13,704 I couldn't see anything. 296 00:15:15,581 --> 00:15:18,082 When I would breathe in, it would burn. 297 00:15:18,083 --> 00:15:19,501 [faint coughing] 298 00:15:20,169 --> 00:15:21,795 I thought maybe I was dead. 299 00:15:24,924 --> 00:15:27,675 But then I heard a siren going off in the distance. 300 00:15:27,676 --> 00:15:28,676 [siren wailing] 301 00:15:28,677 --> 00:15:31,096 I realized I was buried alive. 302 00:15:32,765 --> 00:15:36,477 I was screaming for help, but I didn't hear anything. 303 00:15:38,103 --> 00:15:39,897 It was the most sickening... 304 00:15:41,857 --> 00:15:43,025 terrible feeling. 305 00:15:43,943 --> 00:15:44,944 It was just... 306 00:15:47,488 --> 00:15:49,572 - I was alone. - [dramatic snare] 307 00:15:49,573 --> 00:15:51,992 - [sirens wailing] - [dramatic percussive music] 308 00:15:54,244 --> 00:15:56,955 [Bob] At this point, communications are shot. 309 00:15:56,956 --> 00:15:59,374 Phone systems themselves were non-operable. 310 00:15:59,375 --> 00:16:02,919 So we set up a command post, 311 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,339 and I'm literally having to use runners to send messages 312 00:16:06,340 --> 00:16:09,385 to the various law enforcement agencies that are there. 313 00:16:10,010 --> 00:16:13,763 And we have to determine the source of the explosion quickly. 314 00:16:13,764 --> 00:16:16,349 [anchor] The cause of the explosion, we've heard several reports. 315 00:16:16,350 --> 00:16:18,518 We've heard it might be a gas main explosion. 316 00:16:18,519 --> 00:16:19,936 We're not sure what happened. 317 00:16:19,937 --> 00:16:23,648 The fire department is looking into a gas main explosion. 318 00:16:23,649 --> 00:16:26,693 {\an8}If it wasn't a gas leak or something in that order, 319 00:16:26,694 --> 00:16:30,780 {\an8}if it was a bombing, it implies a level of sophistication. 320 00:16:30,781 --> 00:16:33,366 [Bob] In conferring with my bomb technicians, 321 00:16:33,367 --> 00:16:36,203 we had a large crater right at the front of the building, 322 00:16:37,121 --> 00:16:38,204 which would indicate 323 00:16:38,205 --> 00:16:40,748 that that was the source of the bomb itself. 324 00:16:40,749 --> 00:16:42,250 [helicopter blades whirring] 325 00:16:42,251 --> 00:16:46,046 And the direction of the blast going toward the building. 326 00:16:46,547 --> 00:16:49,716 All of that information together, it was our belief 327 00:16:49,717 --> 00:16:51,593 that this in fact was a bomb. 328 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:55,931 We'd never had a bomb like this go off in the United States. 329 00:16:56,974 --> 00:17:01,352 {\an8}Now I'm faced with a situation that is probably going to turn out to be 330 00:17:01,353 --> 00:17:04,230 the largest investigation in the history of the FBI. 331 00:17:04,231 --> 00:17:05,607 Just move out! 332 00:17:07,526 --> 00:17:09,527 [Jennings] It is now clear to the investigators 333 00:17:09,528 --> 00:17:12,155 that the enormous explosion of the federal building... 334 00:17:12,156 --> 00:17:14,657 [Frio] Still no firm numbers on the hurt and missing, 335 00:17:14,658 --> 00:17:17,618 and still no suspects or claims of responsibility... 336 00:17:17,619 --> 00:17:19,912 [reporter 1] ...responsible for the bomb attack in Oklahoma. 337 00:17:19,913 --> 00:17:21,289 As Bill Neely reported... 338 00:17:21,290 --> 00:17:23,167 [reporter 2] There are no reports... 339 00:17:24,501 --> 00:17:27,211 - [reporter 3] ...Los Angeles... - [reporter 4] ...Iran suggested suspects... 340 00:17:27,212 --> 00:17:29,922 [reporter 3] ...criminal courts building, a building that is always... 341 00:17:29,923 --> 00:17:32,885 [indistinct chatter] 342 00:17:34,845 --> 00:17:38,639 The Oklahoma City bombing was the biggest story in the world 343 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,225 from the moment it happened. 344 00:17:40,934 --> 00:17:44,562 {\an8}It was a news story unlike anything that any of us had ever covered, 345 00:17:44,563 --> 00:17:46,523 {\an8}because it was so big. 346 00:17:47,024 --> 00:17:50,944 And even before the FBI said this was a terrorist attack, 347 00:17:51,612 --> 00:17:54,280 people started looking at this and trying to figure out 348 00:17:54,281 --> 00:17:56,574 who in the hell could possibly have done this thing. 349 00:17:56,575 --> 00:18:00,996 There were so many different, crazy tips that were coming in very early on. 350 00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:03,039 {\an8}[phone dials] 351 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,334 {\an8}[woman] 352 00:18:08,712 --> 00:18:10,379 {\an8}[man 1] 353 00:18:10,380 --> 00:18:12,090 {\an8}[man 2] 354 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:14,008 {\an8}[woman] 355 00:18:14,009 --> 00:18:14,926 {\an8}[man 1 speaking] 356 00:18:14,927 --> 00:18:16,010 {\an8}[man 2] 357 00:18:16,011 --> 00:18:17,637 {\an8}[woman] 358 00:18:17,638 --> 00:18:19,263 {\an8}[man 1] 359 00:18:19,264 --> 00:18:22,350 - [woman] - [beep] 360 00:18:22,351 --> 00:18:24,310 There was an FBI bulletin 361 00:18:24,311 --> 00:18:30,066 saying they were looking for a brown SUV with two Middle Easterners in it. 362 00:18:30,067 --> 00:18:32,527 [anchor] Two suspects described as Middle Eastern men, 363 00:18:32,528 --> 00:18:36,823 20 to 25 and 35 to 38 years old, both with beards. 364 00:18:36,824 --> 00:18:39,325 All of a sudden, we were all looking to see, 365 00:18:39,326 --> 00:18:41,452 was there a Middle Eastern connection? 366 00:18:41,453 --> 00:18:43,454 {\an8}According to a US government source, 367 00:18:43,455 --> 00:18:47,750 {\an8}told CBS News that it has Middle East terrorism written all over it. 368 00:18:47,751 --> 00:18:52,505 Unofficially, the FBI is treating this as a Middle-Eastern-related incident. 369 00:18:52,506 --> 00:18:54,924 [woman 1] A Muslim woman and a child. 370 00:18:54,925 --> 00:19:00,471 She ran by very fast, at a very high, fast pace, with her daughter. 371 00:19:00,472 --> 00:19:02,765 And they were all dressed up, and I thought that was odd. 372 00:19:02,766 --> 00:19:05,519 A lot of Middle Easterners were in and out of there. 373 00:19:06,103 --> 00:19:07,520 [reporter] What were they like? 374 00:19:07,521 --> 00:19:10,857 They look... I'm sorry, but they all look alike to me. 375 00:19:10,858 --> 00:19:15,696 Can somebody find out, is this the second anniversary of Waco? 376 00:19:16,196 --> 00:19:18,322 - [woman 2] Same day. - Is it the same day it blew up? 377 00:19:18,323 --> 00:19:21,117 - [woman 2] That's why it's the 19th. - [woman 3] Same day Waco happened. 378 00:19:21,118 --> 00:19:22,953 - Jesus. - [woman 3] In '93. 379 00:19:24,621 --> 00:19:28,583 {\an8}One of our reporters came out, and he pointed out it was April 19th, 380 00:19:28,584 --> 00:19:32,921 {\an8}and brought up the fact that this could be domestic terrorism. 381 00:19:33,630 --> 00:19:36,425 {\an8}I don't know that it is too soon now to rule out 382 00:19:37,551 --> 00:19:39,427 {\an8}this attack as being some sort of payback 383 00:19:39,428 --> 00:19:41,847 {\an8}for what happened in Waco on this day two years ago. 384 00:19:45,601 --> 00:19:47,519 [intense percussive music] 385 00:19:48,645 --> 00:19:51,898 [Lee] In 1993, there was a raid on the Branch Davidians 386 00:19:51,899 --> 00:19:54,650 that were led by a guy named David Koresh 387 00:19:54,651 --> 00:19:59,990 who was amassing a very large arsenal of illegal weapons in Waco. 388 00:20:00,949 --> 00:20:03,117 [dispatcher] 911, what's your emergency? 389 00:20:03,118 --> 00:20:05,953 [man] 75 men around our building, they're shooting at us. 390 00:20:05,954 --> 00:20:08,623 Tell them there are children and women in here and to call it off! 391 00:20:08,624 --> 00:20:14,670 [Lee] It ended up in a shoot-out and a 51-day siege where the FBI came in. 392 00:20:14,671 --> 00:20:17,006 Bob Ricks was one of the main agents 393 00:20:17,007 --> 00:20:21,302 that was leading what happened during the Branch Davidian siege in Waco. 394 00:20:21,303 --> 00:20:24,513 We try to focus on, are you coming out? 395 00:20:24,514 --> 00:20:27,975 It's always, "I'm waiting for a message from God." 396 00:20:27,976 --> 00:20:29,894 We knew from the beginning 397 00:20:29,895 --> 00:20:33,899 Waco was going to be extremely difficult to resolve. 398 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:36,776 [tense music playing] 399 00:20:36,777 --> 00:20:41,489 [Lee] On April 19th, they tried to force the Davidians out with tear gas, 400 00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:46,953 and a fire erupted, killing 76 people, including 22 kids. 401 00:20:46,954 --> 00:20:49,830 - [loud boom] - [blaze crackling] 402 00:20:49,831 --> 00:20:54,835 [Lee] Waco was really the lowest point in the modern history of the FBI, 403 00:20:54,836 --> 00:20:58,798 and it became a magnet for all sorts of people 404 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:02,635 who were worried about what the government was going to do with their guns. 405 00:21:02,636 --> 00:21:05,096 That's a stinking concern about them women and kids. 406 00:21:05,097 --> 00:21:06,931 Why did they go there to start with? 407 00:21:06,932 --> 00:21:10,977 Over a stinkin' gun, that he has a right to have. 408 00:21:10,978 --> 00:21:14,397 All over the country, they were having protest rallies. 409 00:21:14,398 --> 00:21:18,317 {\an8}Like the Committee of 1776, at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington. 410 00:21:18,318 --> 00:21:22,029 If you pass illegal and unjust gun laws 411 00:21:22,030 --> 00:21:26,827 that ban our right to keep and bear arms, God help you! 412 00:21:28,996 --> 00:21:31,747 {\an8}- And you had people forming militias. - [shotgun fires] 413 00:21:31,748 --> 00:21:35,419 [man] ATF are the criminals, not me. I'm a law-abiding citizen. 414 00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:38,796 I didn't murder 80-some people at Waco. 415 00:21:38,797 --> 00:21:43,301 {\an8}[Bob] There were extreme right-wing groups talking about reprisal, 416 00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:47,806 {\an8}that people have to fight back against what the federal government has done. 417 00:21:48,515 --> 00:21:51,058 Before the bombing in Oklahoma City, 418 00:21:51,059 --> 00:21:53,352 I'd had a situation with the attorney general 419 00:21:53,353 --> 00:21:54,980 when she visited out here. 420 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:01,610 I said, "You may not understand it, but Waco is still a big deal out here." 421 00:22:01,611 --> 00:22:05,156 And her response was, "I don't think people care about Waco anymore." 422 00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:06,532 [unnerving music] 423 00:22:06,533 --> 00:22:08,075 In fact, we'd been commanded 424 00:22:08,076 --> 00:22:11,121 to stand down and not talk about Waco anymore. 425 00:22:11,788 --> 00:22:14,665 [Lee] Seeing those images the day of the bombing, 426 00:22:14,666 --> 00:22:18,169 immediately it hit me, this has got to be about Waco. 427 00:22:18,170 --> 00:22:20,296 And it was just so jarring, 428 00:22:20,297 --> 00:22:23,383 I had to stop the car, and I threw up in a ditch. 429 00:22:24,968 --> 00:22:28,430 My assistant says, "Bob, today is April 19th." 430 00:22:29,556 --> 00:22:34,101 And, uh, that gave me... kind of a rush of emotion came over me, 431 00:22:34,102 --> 00:22:37,146 and at that initial time, 432 00:22:37,147 --> 00:22:43,403 I believe more than likely that this was related to Waco. 433 00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:47,698 {\an8}There are many people in this country, numbering in the thousands, 434 00:22:47,699 --> 00:22:49,325 {\an8}who consider the terrorist... 435 00:22:49,326 --> 00:22:51,744 {\an8}I say the terrorist attack, they regard it as such. 436 00:22:51,745 --> 00:22:54,538 {\an8}...the standoff in Waco and the fire that resulted from it 437 00:22:54,539 --> 00:22:57,041 {\an8}as their shot heard around the world. 438 00:22:57,042 --> 00:22:59,919 {\an8}They consider themselves to be at war with the government, 439 00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:02,046 {\an8}and they believe that was the first shot. 440 00:23:02,047 --> 00:23:04,465 {\an8}There was a very real fear 441 00:23:04,466 --> 00:23:08,010 that this was the opening salvo of something much bigger. 442 00:23:08,011 --> 00:23:12,473 - [jarring music playing] - [helicopter blades whirring] 443 00:23:12,474 --> 00:23:14,725 [man] That morning, I turned on the television, 444 00:23:14,726 --> 00:23:16,353 and I saw the plume of smoke. 445 00:23:17,145 --> 00:23:20,606 {\an8}I was an FBI agent assigned to the Oklahoma City Division. 446 00:23:20,607 --> 00:23:24,110 {\an8}The A.P. Murrah Federal Building housed a number of different agencies. 447 00:23:24,111 --> 00:23:25,695 I knew everybody there. 448 00:23:27,614 --> 00:23:30,074 When I saw the building, I hustled out in my car, 449 00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:32,368 popped the red light up, turned on the siren, 450 00:23:32,369 --> 00:23:34,287 and raced downtown to Oklahoma City. 451 00:23:34,955 --> 00:23:36,497 And I was flying. 452 00:23:36,498 --> 00:23:40,918 There's red lights going everywhere, black smoke coming from cars, 453 00:23:40,919 --> 00:23:44,797 and then I come around a corner, and I see the federal building. 454 00:23:44,798 --> 00:23:47,342 - [sirens wailing] - [eerie music playing] 455 00:23:51,054 --> 00:23:52,138 I could see it, 456 00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:55,559 but my brain wasn't really accepting what I was seeing. 457 00:23:56,059 --> 00:23:57,518 [helicopter blades whirring] 458 00:23:57,519 --> 00:24:00,938 And I went inside to find anybody that had survived the bombing 459 00:24:00,939 --> 00:24:02,607 that was still in the building. 460 00:24:04,234 --> 00:24:05,484 But it's not uncommon 461 00:24:05,485 --> 00:24:09,364 that a person who will set off an explosive device 462 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:11,866 will have a secondary device planted, 463 00:24:11,867 --> 00:24:15,078 and that secondary device is an attack on the responders. 464 00:24:16,663 --> 00:24:21,418 So there were people already looking for any kind of a secondary device. 465 00:24:21,918 --> 00:24:24,378 [fire alarm ringing] 466 00:24:24,379 --> 00:24:26,005 {\an8}[McPherson] We're looking for evidence. 467 00:24:26,006 --> 00:24:28,674 {\an8}We're looking for explosives that got kicked out, 468 00:24:28,675 --> 00:24:30,886 anything that's going to hurt people. 469 00:24:31,511 --> 00:24:34,181 The building was nine floors tall, 470 00:24:34,890 --> 00:24:38,392 where every floor was concrete about yea thick, 471 00:24:38,393 --> 00:24:40,227 and it had rebar in the middle of it. 472 00:24:40,228 --> 00:24:41,395 [tense percussive music] 473 00:24:41,396 --> 00:24:45,150 And the floors pancaked when they came down. 474 00:24:46,443 --> 00:24:50,279 The top floors hit the next floor and the next floor, until they got down 475 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,991 to where they couldn't go nowhere else, and that's what you've got to go through. 476 00:24:53,992 --> 00:24:55,326 [alarm bell ringing] 477 00:24:55,327 --> 00:24:58,371 The first thing we did was looking for wounded, 478 00:24:59,331 --> 00:25:00,873 and there was doctors came down, 479 00:25:00,874 --> 00:25:03,668 and they did amputations right there, in the building. 480 00:25:04,878 --> 00:25:07,963 When a surgeon crawled into the hole to do the amputation, 481 00:25:07,964 --> 00:25:12,176 he handed his wallet back and said, "If this collapses, give that to my wife." 482 00:25:12,177 --> 00:25:14,136 [tense music continues] 483 00:25:14,137 --> 00:25:16,931 Inside the building, it was very difficult to maneuver. 484 00:25:16,932 --> 00:25:19,767 Nobody knew if the building was gonna remain standing. 485 00:25:19,768 --> 00:25:21,727 - [siren wails] - [metal clangs] 486 00:25:21,728 --> 00:25:25,440 [Mike] There was a nurse ran in to see if she could help, 487 00:25:26,399 --> 00:25:29,485 and a piece of concrete fell and hit her in the head, 488 00:25:29,486 --> 00:25:30,861 and it ended up killing her. 489 00:25:30,862 --> 00:25:32,614 [alarm bells ringing] 490 00:25:35,116 --> 00:25:36,660 [indistinct yelling] 491 00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:42,665 [man] There's bodies here. We have a man here... 492 00:25:42,666 --> 00:25:44,292 [Amy] I heard men's voices. 493 00:25:46,086 --> 00:25:48,170 I started screaming, and he starts yelling, 494 00:25:48,171 --> 00:25:50,590 "Got a live one. We need backup." 495 00:25:51,424 --> 00:25:53,300 And he said, "We can't see you." 496 00:25:53,301 --> 00:25:56,262 "We have to follow the sound of your voice. Keep talking to us." 497 00:25:56,263 --> 00:25:58,138 - [drilling] - [overlapping voices] 498 00:25:58,139 --> 00:25:59,432 [man] We have another one! 499 00:26:00,016 --> 00:26:00,934 That's good. 500 00:26:02,352 --> 00:26:03,687 Check the line to it. 501 00:26:05,188 --> 00:26:07,190 [drilling continues] 502 00:26:07,899 --> 00:26:08,817 [faint male voice] 503 00:26:10,110 --> 00:26:12,737 [indistinct muffled voices] 504 00:26:13,321 --> 00:26:16,949 I could hear they were getting closer, and my right hand was sticking out 505 00:26:16,950 --> 00:26:18,660 of the side of the rubble pile. 506 00:26:19,578 --> 00:26:23,164 And I had a sensation that someone had brushed my hand. 507 00:26:23,665 --> 00:26:26,250 And I said, "I think you just touched my hand." 508 00:26:26,251 --> 00:26:28,460 He said, "What color shirt do you have on?" 509 00:26:28,461 --> 00:26:31,965 I said, "I don't know." And he said, "Think! What color shirt?" 510 00:26:32,924 --> 00:26:34,133 I said, "Green." 511 00:26:34,134 --> 00:26:38,263 And then as soon as I said green, I felt a hand grab my hand. 512 00:26:39,431 --> 00:26:42,600 I thought, "You know, this is it. They're, one, two, three." 513 00:26:42,601 --> 00:26:44,811 They're getting ready to pull me up and out. 514 00:26:45,353 --> 00:26:48,231 - [intense music] - [indistinct chatter on radio] 515 00:26:55,030 --> 00:26:57,448 I'm walking around the building, and then I looked up 516 00:26:57,449 --> 00:26:59,576 to the top of the debris pile, 517 00:27:00,994 --> 00:27:03,495 and that's when I saw the LAWS rocket box. 518 00:27:03,496 --> 00:27:05,248 [intense music continues] 519 00:27:06,082 --> 00:27:08,959 The LAWS rocket is a shoulder-fired rocket. 520 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,794 It shoots a big projectile. 521 00:27:10,795 --> 00:27:12,422 When it hits, it blows up. 522 00:27:13,048 --> 00:27:14,841 They take out tanks with them. 523 00:27:15,759 --> 00:27:17,468 [Bob] And all of a sudden, I get notice 524 00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:20,304 that another bomb's been found inside the Murrah building. 525 00:27:20,305 --> 00:27:21,722 This building was right in it, 526 00:27:21,723 --> 00:27:23,015 and my mom's in there. 527 00:27:23,016 --> 00:27:24,016 [man 1] There's a bomb! 528 00:27:24,017 --> 00:27:25,435 [man 2] Bomb! Let's go. 529 00:27:26,436 --> 00:27:28,271 Everybody move back, there's a bomb! 530 00:27:28,813 --> 00:27:31,023 [woman 1] There's another bomb! Oh my God! 531 00:27:31,024 --> 00:27:33,193 - [indistinct chatter on radio] - [woman 2] Stop. 532 00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:35,487 [man on radio] 533 00:27:40,367 --> 00:27:43,203 I heard a lot of commotion. 534 00:27:43,703 --> 00:27:45,704 The rubble started kind of shaking, 535 00:27:45,705 --> 00:27:49,541 and I could hear what sounded like people running on top of me. 536 00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:51,543 - [man 1] What's going on? - [man 2] Another bomb. 537 00:27:51,544 --> 00:27:54,213 They're ordering everybody out, including the command. 538 00:27:54,214 --> 00:27:57,174 Everybody is just pouring out of the building on a dead run. 539 00:27:57,175 --> 00:27:59,969 - [indistinct voices] - [faint sirens wailing] 540 00:28:04,140 --> 00:28:05,350 I refused to leave. 541 00:28:05,850 --> 00:28:09,478 I had a patrol point his gun at my leg, "I'm gonna shoot you if you don't leave." 542 00:28:09,479 --> 00:28:10,813 "But I got these patients." 543 00:28:10,814 --> 00:28:15,151 And he was like, "I will effing shoot you in the leg if you don't leave." 544 00:28:16,194 --> 00:28:17,152 So I left. 545 00:28:17,153 --> 00:28:19,947 {\an8}[anchor] Much concern down there about a secondary explosion. 546 00:28:19,948 --> 00:28:22,282 {\an8}They are evacuating downtown Oklahoma City. 547 00:28:22,283 --> 00:28:24,660 {\an8}Medical professionals running from the scene also. 548 00:28:24,661 --> 00:28:28,498 [Amy] The men just started saying, "There's another bomb." 549 00:28:30,583 --> 00:28:32,127 I realized what was happening. 550 00:28:34,003 --> 00:28:37,799 And I just started telling them my name, and to tell my family I love them. 551 00:28:39,426 --> 00:28:40,634 [water dripping softly] 552 00:28:40,635 --> 00:28:42,929 They were leaving me buried alive. 553 00:28:46,349 --> 00:28:47,683 [somber music] 554 00:28:47,684 --> 00:28:50,311 And I'd start thinking about my life, and... 555 00:28:52,856 --> 00:28:54,190 Relationships, and 556 00:28:55,483 --> 00:28:57,985 doing something with your life to help others, and... 557 00:28:57,986 --> 00:28:59,946 I had never been a mom. 558 00:29:01,990 --> 00:29:04,617 And all of a sudden, 559 00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:07,036 it was just so clear. 560 00:29:08,121 --> 00:29:10,373 I didn't live a life true to myself. 561 00:29:11,666 --> 00:29:15,295 Now that I'm getting ready to die, I'm thinking about it and realizing 562 00:29:16,212 --> 00:29:17,713 I don't want to live it this way. 563 00:29:17,714 --> 00:29:20,175 I want to live it differently. But it's too late now. 564 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:22,844 [somber music builds] 565 00:29:24,929 --> 00:29:28,432 [man] People, you need to go further back. Get further back. Go further back. 566 00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:31,435 - [woman] Move it, idiot! - I need you to go further back. 567 00:29:31,436 --> 00:29:33,437 [intense percussive music] 568 00:29:33,438 --> 00:29:36,733 So we walked up the ladders, me and this trooper. 569 00:29:37,609 --> 00:29:42,113 Now I've got to get it down from the 8th floor of debris 570 00:29:42,697 --> 00:29:46,701 back down this ladder quick because I don't want it going off. 571 00:29:51,539 --> 00:29:55,584 I go over there, and on the business end of this LAWS rocket, 572 00:29:55,585 --> 00:29:57,586 it indicated that it was live. 573 00:29:57,587 --> 00:29:59,671 So then we tied rope around it. 574 00:29:59,672 --> 00:30:01,673 We're carrying this box down. 575 00:30:01,674 --> 00:30:03,009 [intense music continues] 576 00:30:05,595 --> 00:30:07,012 [Mike] We did that. 577 00:30:07,013 --> 00:30:08,472 {\an8}Put it in the truck. 578 00:30:08,473 --> 00:30:13,394 {\an8}They took it to the county's bomb range, and they set it on fire. 579 00:30:16,648 --> 00:30:18,273 [Bob] It was not a real device. 580 00:30:18,274 --> 00:30:23,071 It was a fake that was gonna be used in a customs sting operation. 581 00:30:24,322 --> 00:30:26,406 And that was extremely frustrating 582 00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:29,661 because it caused interference in the rescue effort. 583 00:30:30,161 --> 00:30:33,122 And so then I was able to let people go back in. 584 00:30:33,706 --> 00:30:36,583 {\an8}We also want to pass this along. ATF agents have confirmed 585 00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:40,379 {\an8}that explosive device they found and had people scattering for 586 00:30:40,380 --> 00:30:43,465 {\an8}was a training device found in the ATF office, 587 00:30:43,466 --> 00:30:47,719 {\an8}which is one of their field offices here in Oklahoma City in that building. 588 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,596 [reporter] There are still people inside. 589 00:30:49,597 --> 00:30:52,934 They're not sure at this point whether some of them may be alive or not. 590 00:30:53,977 --> 00:30:56,812 [Walt] I'm running down the street, and I get down in this fire truck. 591 00:30:56,813 --> 00:31:00,649 I see Special Agent Matt Lotspeich, and he clearly was upset. 592 00:31:00,650 --> 00:31:02,276 I say, "Matt, what's going on?" 593 00:31:02,277 --> 00:31:04,570 He said, "I left somebody alive in the building." 594 00:31:04,571 --> 00:31:07,614 We just sort of turned, looked to the building, 595 00:31:07,615 --> 00:31:09,241 and then we both started back. 596 00:31:09,242 --> 00:31:11,327 [intense music playing] 597 00:31:15,623 --> 00:31:16,915 [man] Where is she? 598 00:31:16,916 --> 00:31:19,251 [Walt] The dust was just thick, 599 00:31:19,252 --> 00:31:22,005 and you could feel the building still moving. 600 00:31:23,047 --> 00:31:24,299 And I'm thinking, 601 00:31:25,508 --> 00:31:28,302 "I wish I could tell my kids one more time that I love them." 602 00:31:28,303 --> 00:31:29,928 [music becomes poignant] 603 00:31:29,929 --> 00:31:31,347 Because at that point... 604 00:31:33,349 --> 00:31:34,893 [music darkens] 605 00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:39,021 ...I wasn't sure that we were going to come out of there. 606 00:31:39,022 --> 00:31:40,648 [music intensifies] 607 00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:43,192 [saw whirring] 608 00:31:44,110 --> 00:31:48,865 And then we got down to where Amy was buried in this rubble. 609 00:31:49,365 --> 00:31:52,410 There was a slab of concrete that was laying like this, 610 00:31:53,286 --> 00:31:55,330 and this was Amy right down here, 611 00:31:57,624 --> 00:31:58,833 buried in tons of rubble. 612 00:32:02,253 --> 00:32:06,215 So I hear the men's voices, and one of them grabs my hand. 613 00:32:06,883 --> 00:32:07,717 I got her. 614 00:32:09,135 --> 00:32:11,386 [Walt] She was able to grab somebody's hand, 615 00:32:11,387 --> 00:32:12,930 and he was trying to work, 616 00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:18,186 so he put her hand on Matt's boot, and she was hanging on to Matt's boot. 617 00:32:19,145 --> 00:32:20,979 This time, I'm not letting go. 618 00:32:20,980 --> 00:32:22,899 [intense percussive music] 619 00:32:23,566 --> 00:32:26,360 [Walt] Matt and the firemen started handing me debris 620 00:32:26,361 --> 00:32:28,905 to hand up to the police officers that were with us. 621 00:32:30,406 --> 00:32:31,740 Then we started seeing her. 622 00:32:31,741 --> 00:32:34,786 It's just like, "How in the world could she even be alive?" 623 00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:40,792 I was stuck, and as they worked to uncover me, 624 00:32:41,292 --> 00:32:43,962 they told me I was actually still in my chair, 625 00:32:44,462 --> 00:32:47,382 upside down, buried under about ten feet of rubble. 626 00:32:47,966 --> 00:32:49,968 [indistinct voice on radio] 627 00:32:51,219 --> 00:32:52,886 Then all of a sudden, they said, 628 00:32:52,887 --> 00:32:55,097 "We'll count to three. This is probably gonna hurt." 629 00:32:55,098 --> 00:32:56,724 [distant drilling] 630 00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:04,648 And they counted to three and they pulled, and I came out from under the rubble. 631 00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:06,149 [music becomes somber] 632 00:33:06,150 --> 00:33:07,484 Yeah, everything hurt. 633 00:33:07,485 --> 00:33:09,362 Every nerve came alive, but... 634 00:33:10,238 --> 00:33:11,447 that didn't matter. 635 00:33:13,449 --> 00:33:15,827 They took me out of the back of the federal building. 636 00:33:17,078 --> 00:33:19,288 I couldn't believe what I was seeing. 637 00:33:21,207 --> 00:33:23,542 I didn't know what my injuries were. 638 00:33:23,543 --> 00:33:27,630 I didn't know about my friends, but I'll never forget... 639 00:33:29,507 --> 00:33:33,344 looking up at the sky and taking those breaths of fresh air, 640 00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:36,764 and promising God I would never live my life the same. 641 00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:38,891 [dramatic tone] 642 00:33:40,768 --> 00:33:43,270 [anchor] There's still a lot of fear in downtown Oklahoma City, 643 00:33:43,271 --> 00:33:46,023 as the authorities try and figure out who did it 644 00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,941 and what could be left of what they did. 645 00:33:47,942 --> 00:33:49,651 [tense music playing] 646 00:33:49,652 --> 00:33:53,071 Oftentimes, bombing cases are extremely difficult 647 00:33:53,072 --> 00:33:54,948 because the evidence is destroyed. 648 00:33:54,949 --> 00:33:56,616 [faint siren wailing] 649 00:33:56,617 --> 00:34:01,246 We have to do a search over roughly a ten-square-block area, 650 00:34:01,247 --> 00:34:04,250 and gathering every piece of evidence that we can. 651 00:34:05,376 --> 00:34:08,211 I was asked who I would like to give assistance, 652 00:34:08,212 --> 00:34:12,299 {\an8}and I thought Danny Coulson could be extremely helpful. 653 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:14,676 {\an8}He was head of the hostage rescue team. 654 00:34:14,677 --> 00:34:18,431 {\an8}When I drove in, I went directly to the command center to meet with Ricks. 655 00:34:18,931 --> 00:34:21,641 And he said, "Why don't you run the evidence recovery, 656 00:34:21,642 --> 00:34:23,644 and I'll run the investigation?" 657 00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:28,065 We sent in the evidence response team, and started to search the site. 658 00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:31,026 [Bob] We had in the hundreds of people working the scene, 659 00:34:31,027 --> 00:34:34,530 so we systematically could carry out the investigation. 660 00:34:35,114 --> 00:34:38,700 {\an8}Law enforcement agencies believe that it was a bomb, possibly a car bomb. 661 00:34:38,701 --> 00:34:39,910 {\an8}That hasn't been proven. 662 00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:42,496 {\an8}Forensics haven't made a determination yet. 663 00:34:42,497 --> 00:34:44,664 [Danny] We sifted through a lot of things. 664 00:34:44,665 --> 00:34:48,419 The key to it, though, was the differential to the truck. 665 00:34:49,253 --> 00:34:51,088 [Bob] The first key piece of evidence 666 00:34:51,089 --> 00:34:54,466 {\an8}was found a block away from the federal building, 667 00:34:54,467 --> 00:34:57,844 {\an8}in front of an apartment complex called the Regency Towers. 668 00:34:57,845 --> 00:34:59,179 A gentleman was outside. 669 00:34:59,180 --> 00:35:02,642 He heard this swirling noise, almost like a helicopter, 670 00:35:03,351 --> 00:35:07,062 and all of a sudden, this rear axle flies into a car. 671 00:35:07,063 --> 00:35:11,441 The FBI came to me because I'd worked auto theft 16 years. 672 00:35:11,442 --> 00:35:16,738 And when I saw that axle housing so far from the borough building, 673 00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:21,160 I knew it had to have come from the truck that blew up the building. 674 00:35:22,203 --> 00:35:24,956 [Bob] The explosion was of such intensity 675 00:35:25,456 --> 00:35:27,499 that it caused the rear axle from the truck 676 00:35:27,500 --> 00:35:31,129 that was used to deliver the bomb to blow out. 677 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:34,256 [Mike] All I could see was the very last number, 678 00:35:34,257 --> 00:35:39,261 and I took a chem tool and a wire brush, cleaned it down to the bare metal, 679 00:35:39,262 --> 00:35:41,556 and then got the number off the rear end. 680 00:35:42,181 --> 00:35:43,849 And that was a huge break. 681 00:35:43,850 --> 00:35:46,977 [Mike] And I called the National Auto Theft Bureau, 682 00:35:46,978 --> 00:35:51,941 and I told the lady, "I need you to build this confidential number to a full VIN." 683 00:35:53,442 --> 00:35:55,945 She said, "This is an active rental truck." 684 00:35:56,612 --> 00:36:00,323 [Bob] That truck had been rented two days before 685 00:36:00,324 --> 00:36:03,535 at Elliott's Body Shop, in Junction City, Kansas. 686 00:36:03,536 --> 00:36:05,955 {\an8}- [dramatic sting] - [atmospheric music] 687 00:36:08,082 --> 00:36:11,459 {\an8}[Scott] The day of the bombing, I was in a one-person office in Salina, Kansas. 688 00:36:11,460 --> 00:36:13,879 {\an8}I thought my involvement was going to be watching it on TV, 689 00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,214 {\an8}and be frustrated that I couldn't do something about it. 690 00:36:16,215 --> 00:36:18,842 But in the afternoon, about three o'clock, I got a call. 691 00:36:18,843 --> 00:36:21,970 They tell me the truck was rented out in Junction City, Kansas. 692 00:36:21,971 --> 00:36:24,472 Get over there as fast as you can, grab the documents, 693 00:36:24,473 --> 00:36:26,349 and get them back to the lab. 694 00:36:26,350 --> 00:36:29,436 And when I was reviewing the rental documents 695 00:36:29,437 --> 00:36:31,146 from Elliott's Body Shop, 696 00:36:31,147 --> 00:36:33,857 I saw that the name that was used by the renter 697 00:36:33,858 --> 00:36:34,942 {\an8}was Robert Kling. 698 00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:39,196 We started interviewing people 699 00:36:39,197 --> 00:36:40,947 from Elliott's Body Shop. 700 00:36:40,948 --> 00:36:43,659 I realized we have an opportunity to get some sketches, 701 00:36:44,285 --> 00:36:46,411 and the bureau called me and said 702 00:36:46,412 --> 00:36:48,455 that they've got a sketch artist on a plane, 703 00:36:48,456 --> 00:36:50,875 and that they should be there by morning. 704 00:36:53,252 --> 00:36:54,378 [man clears throat] 705 00:36:56,589 --> 00:36:59,674 President Clinton has declared this a federal emergency. 706 00:36:59,675 --> 00:37:01,134 There was a big debate 707 00:37:01,135 --> 00:37:04,429 over whether to release the Ryder truck information. 708 00:37:04,430 --> 00:37:08,935 Ultimately, we decided that would create thousands of leads, 709 00:37:09,644 --> 00:37:11,938 so we withheld that information. 710 00:37:12,521 --> 00:37:14,981 {\an8}We have at this time no assumptions 711 00:37:14,982 --> 00:37:19,362 {\an8}with regard to who caused this particular bombing. 712 00:37:20,529 --> 00:37:25,284 {\an8}And we have had hundreds, if not thousands, of leads 713 00:37:25,785 --> 00:37:29,788 {\an8}from individuals calling in to reputed eyewitnesses. 714 00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:32,541 {\an8}Each one of those is treated very seriously. 715 00:37:33,376 --> 00:37:37,671 {\an8}But at this point, we cannot speculate with regard to who is responsible. 716 00:37:37,672 --> 00:37:39,965 {\an8}My intent was to give assurance 717 00:37:39,966 --> 00:37:42,593 to the American public that this was gonna be solved. 718 00:37:47,765 --> 00:37:49,015 [somber music playing] 719 00:37:49,016 --> 00:37:50,977 [Renee] I ended up going to the church. 720 00:37:51,769 --> 00:37:55,022 It was set up as the emergency site for everybody to go wait. 721 00:37:56,023 --> 00:37:57,483 All the families were there. 722 00:37:59,402 --> 00:38:01,611 Everybody that had somebody in the building. 723 00:38:01,612 --> 00:38:03,531 [somber music continues] 724 00:38:07,285 --> 00:38:09,245 I remember Tony coming in. 725 00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:11,956 And... 726 00:38:13,082 --> 00:38:15,542 all I could... all I remember is his face. 727 00:38:15,543 --> 00:38:17,877 And we couldn't even talk. 728 00:38:17,878 --> 00:38:19,379 We just held each other. 729 00:38:19,380 --> 00:38:21,007 [somber music continues] 730 00:38:22,633 --> 00:38:24,259 [Robin] By the time nightfall came, 731 00:38:24,260 --> 00:38:27,971 my job was to talk to all these parents who were there, 732 00:38:27,972 --> 00:38:30,349 who didn't know the fate of their loved one. 733 00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:32,726 Now we need to check in with Robin Marsh. 734 00:38:32,727 --> 00:38:34,394 She's with some family members 735 00:38:34,395 --> 00:38:38,482 who are one of, some of many, who are waiting for news. Robin? 736 00:38:39,108 --> 00:38:41,443 {\an8}Yes. With us right now are the Cooper family. 737 00:38:41,444 --> 00:38:43,778 {\an8}We've got a picture of little Antonio. 738 00:38:43,779 --> 00:38:45,448 {\an8}He is six months old. 739 00:38:46,490 --> 00:38:49,368 This is the baby we're all praying for right now. 740 00:38:50,536 --> 00:38:54,289 {\an8}What we've heard is that, possibly, a child, 741 00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:58,084 {\an8}a John Doe that has not been named, could be the Cooper baby. 742 00:38:58,085 --> 00:39:01,212 {\an8}Mrs. Cooper, you work downtown. Tell me about your morning. 743 00:39:01,213 --> 00:39:05,676 {\an8}Is that a routine to take baby Antonio to the daycare center? 744 00:39:06,927 --> 00:39:09,846 {\an8}Yes, every day I drop him off, and... 745 00:39:09,847 --> 00:39:13,558 {\an8}I go see him every day at lunch, and today I didn't get to go. 746 00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,477 {\an8}[somber music continues] 747 00:39:15,478 --> 00:39:18,064 And I remember that first night, it got really cold. 748 00:39:18,564 --> 00:39:20,691 The temperatures dropped down. [sniffles] 749 00:39:22,735 --> 00:39:26,613 It started raining, and I'm just like, "Lord, please don't let my baby 750 00:39:26,614 --> 00:39:29,658 be in that building, cold and hungry, and... 751 00:39:31,118 --> 00:39:32,369 and hurt." 752 00:39:32,370 --> 00:39:34,371 It was the worst night ever. 753 00:39:34,372 --> 00:39:36,457 [wind billowing] 754 00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:42,587 {\an8}The last thing anyone needed down here, we're now getting, and that is rain. 755 00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:45,840 {\an8}But you can see back behind me sort of an eerie sight. 756 00:39:45,841 --> 00:39:47,717 Rescue efforts continue this evening, 757 00:39:47,718 --> 00:39:51,179 and while they are holding out hope that they will find survivors, 758 00:39:51,180 --> 00:39:55,600 {\an8}one lady who had spent all day helping pull victims out of the rubble 759 00:39:55,601 --> 00:39:59,312 {\an8}said she fears that the death toll will be in the hundreds. 760 00:39:59,313 --> 00:40:01,273 [somber music continues] 761 00:40:03,442 --> 00:40:04,484 [music fades] 762 00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:06,612 [soft poignant music playing] 763 00:40:09,657 --> 00:40:12,784 There's a story with a happy ending this morning in Oklahoma City. 764 00:40:12,785 --> 00:40:15,453 The story of Amy Petty, trapped for five hours 765 00:40:15,454 --> 00:40:18,873 in the rubble of the Murrah building before finally being rescued. 766 00:40:18,874 --> 00:40:20,917 This morning, she's at Presbyterian Hospital 767 00:40:20,918 --> 00:40:22,252 in Oklahoma City. 768 00:40:22,253 --> 00:40:23,504 How are you feeling? 769 00:40:24,213 --> 00:40:26,756 {\an8}Sore, but very fortunate to be alive. 770 00:40:26,757 --> 00:40:29,260 {\an8}[anchor] What are doctors telling you about your condition? 771 00:40:30,052 --> 00:40:34,557 Um, I'm just gonna be sore, and I have a large cut on my leg. 772 00:40:35,141 --> 00:40:36,183 But I'll be fine. 773 00:40:38,185 --> 00:40:43,982 The phone was ringing nonstop, 774 00:40:43,983 --> 00:40:46,651 with family members of my coworkers 775 00:40:46,652 --> 00:40:48,987 calling to ask if I had seen... 776 00:40:48,988 --> 00:40:50,280 [inaudible] 777 00:40:50,281 --> 00:40:53,659 ...that person at work that day. Did I see what they had on? 778 00:40:56,036 --> 00:40:57,872 And I don't remember. 779 00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:02,333 I hope that they find them. 780 00:41:02,334 --> 00:41:04,545 I hope they find them, and they're alive. 781 00:41:05,129 --> 00:41:07,089 - [music brightens] - [grinding] 782 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:15,074 783 00:41:18,142 --> 00:41:20,269 [Jenifer] April 19th was a terrible day, 784 00:41:21,061 --> 00:41:25,483 {\an8}and April 20th was the moment where people... 785 00:41:27,234 --> 00:41:28,277 {\an8}came together. 786 00:41:30,488 --> 00:41:34,074 People were bringing food. People were bringing all kinds of things. 787 00:41:34,575 --> 00:41:38,077 {\an8}[anchor] You can see it by the sign. People are lining up to help. 788 00:41:38,078 --> 00:41:40,121 {\an8}[woman] Even though we have our differences, 789 00:41:40,122 --> 00:41:43,417 {\an8}at least we can come together as one to help someone. 790 00:41:46,378 --> 00:41:50,715 [Jenifer] You began to see that for this one act 791 00:41:50,716 --> 00:41:52,801 of madness and terror, 792 00:41:53,636 --> 00:41:56,555 there were hundreds and eventually thousands 793 00:41:57,056 --> 00:41:58,473 of acts of kindness. 794 00:41:58,474 --> 00:42:02,269 Of people reaching out and trying to make it better. 795 00:42:03,521 --> 00:42:06,231 [Danny] They set up a shopping center inside our perimeter. 796 00:42:06,232 --> 00:42:08,191 If you didn't have boots, they'd give you boots. 797 00:42:08,192 --> 00:42:11,319 If you wanted something to eat, they had it. Would not take a nickel. 798 00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,155 {\an8}The people of Oklahoma were unbelievable. 799 00:42:14,156 --> 00:42:16,283 I think it's what kept everybody going. 800 00:42:22,456 --> 00:42:24,832 {\an8}[intense pulsating music playing] 801 00:42:24,833 --> 00:42:26,334 [Scott] The sketch artist arrived 802 00:42:26,335 --> 00:42:28,545 {\an8}and started working with the three witnesses 803 00:42:28,546 --> 00:42:29,921 {\an8}from Elliott's Body Shop. 804 00:42:29,922 --> 00:42:31,799 [intense music continues] 805 00:42:34,093 --> 00:42:37,512 He was surprised because the first witness was describing 806 00:42:37,513 --> 00:42:40,056 a white male that looks like he'd been in the military. 807 00:42:40,057 --> 00:42:41,767 Not a Middle Eastern male. 808 00:42:43,352 --> 00:42:45,395 And it's seven o'clock. 809 00:42:45,396 --> 00:42:46,854 We had two sketches. 810 00:42:46,855 --> 00:42:49,190 John Doe one, and the other, John Doe two. 811 00:42:49,191 --> 00:42:50,985 [music darkens] 812 00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:57,907 And then I got teams of agents to go out and do a canvas of the Junction City area, 813 00:42:57,908 --> 00:43:00,410 to see if there was any sightings of these two people. 814 00:43:00,411 --> 00:43:02,412 [man] Did you notice a Ryder truck, or a large... 815 00:43:02,413 --> 00:43:03,746 [Bob] We set up roadblocks. 816 00:43:03,747 --> 00:43:06,958 We interviewed everybody that might have seen the Ryder truck 817 00:43:06,959 --> 00:43:10,128 or seen anybody suspicious operating in that area. 818 00:43:10,129 --> 00:43:11,839 [intense music continues] 819 00:43:13,424 --> 00:43:15,926 {\an8}[Marsha] That morning, I called the court clerk's office. 820 00:43:17,386 --> 00:43:20,347 {\an8}I was trying to get Timothy McVeigh in court that day. 821 00:43:21,223 --> 00:43:25,644 And they said, "We can't get him in today. We're busy." So I said, "Okay." 822 00:43:27,187 --> 00:43:29,106 We kept Timothy McVeigh in another day. 823 00:43:31,025 --> 00:43:33,651 How are you doing? We're conducting an investigation 824 00:43:33,652 --> 00:43:35,612 on the Oklahoma City bombing. 825 00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:39,365 {\an8}Agents took copies of the sketch and went to restaurants, 826 00:43:39,366 --> 00:43:42,327 auto parts stores, or hotels. 827 00:43:42,328 --> 00:43:45,163 [Lee] FBI agents literally went door to door, 828 00:43:45,164 --> 00:43:48,666 asking, "Have you seen this? Do you know these guys?" 829 00:43:48,667 --> 00:43:51,544 [Scott] They covered a lot of businesses in four hours. 830 00:43:51,545 --> 00:43:53,379 And then we got very lucky 831 00:43:53,380 --> 00:43:56,466 when one team went into the Dreamland Hotel, 832 00:43:56,467 --> 00:43:58,761 and spoke to the owner, Lea McGowan. 833 00:43:59,386 --> 00:44:02,889 When he asked her, "Have you had anybody in here recently with a Ryder truck?" 834 00:44:02,890 --> 00:44:05,058 She says, "As a matter of fact, I did." 835 00:44:05,059 --> 00:44:09,937 We show her the artist's conception from Elliott's Body Shop, 836 00:44:09,938 --> 00:44:12,815 and she says, "Yeah, that looks a lot like the person 837 00:44:12,816 --> 00:44:15,151 who was here that had the Ryder truck." 838 00:44:15,152 --> 00:44:18,072 It was the overall picture of Mr. McVeigh. 839 00:44:18,739 --> 00:44:21,574 And they looked at me, and, "McVeigh?" like I'm lying. 840 00:44:21,575 --> 00:44:24,078 I'm not lying. He wrote down Mr. McVeigh. 841 00:44:24,703 --> 00:44:27,164 This is the first time we heard the name Tim McVeigh. 842 00:44:28,374 --> 00:44:31,918 {\an8}I asked, "Has anybody done an NCIC offline search?" 843 00:44:31,919 --> 00:44:35,672 NCIC is the database for every arrest made in the country. 844 00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:37,590 [intense music continues] 845 00:44:37,591 --> 00:44:42,178 [Walt] In 1995, there were actual computer tapes that would tell you 846 00:44:42,179 --> 00:44:44,681 if a person had been pulled over. 847 00:44:44,682 --> 00:44:48,018 It'll tell you where they got pulled over, when they got pulled over. 848 00:44:48,852 --> 00:44:52,188 But if you want something off that offline data, 849 00:44:52,189 --> 00:44:56,485 you have to ask the computer to find this name. 850 00:44:58,612 --> 00:45:00,614 Then you load a tape, it searches it. 851 00:45:01,115 --> 00:45:03,450 Unload it, load another one, it searches it. 852 00:45:04,243 --> 00:45:05,702 Like it was in slow motion. 853 00:45:05,703 --> 00:45:07,496 [whirring] 854 00:45:08,330 --> 00:45:10,833 [Bob] At the same time, we check phone records. 855 00:45:11,834 --> 00:45:17,840 Any calls that have been made from room 25 at the Dreamland Motel, rented by McVeigh. 856 00:45:19,633 --> 00:45:23,928 On Saturday night, he made a call to a local restaurant, 857 00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:28,684 where an order had been placed by a Robert Kling. 858 00:45:29,685 --> 00:45:33,814 We know that Robert Kling is the name that was used to rent the Ryder truck. 859 00:45:34,314 --> 00:45:38,276 So now we know that either Timothy McVeigh is Robert Kling 860 00:45:38,277 --> 00:45:41,113 or is associated with a Robert Kling. 861 00:45:42,281 --> 00:45:47,327 We have zeroed in on at least one of the conspirators of this bombing. 862 00:45:47,911 --> 00:45:49,037 [music stops] 863 00:45:57,004 --> 00:45:58,463 [indistinct voices] 864 00:45:58,464 --> 00:46:00,883 {\an8}Investigators have identified a vehicle 865 00:46:01,550 --> 00:46:04,511 {\an8}that was used in connection with yesterday's attack 866 00:46:05,179 --> 00:46:07,473 on the federal building here in Oklahoma City. 867 00:46:08,849 --> 00:46:11,058 Further investigation has determined 868 00:46:11,059 --> 00:46:14,729 that two white males were associated with this vehicle. 869 00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:16,023 [journalists chattering] 870 00:46:16,690 --> 00:46:19,651 Composite sketches of these two men have been prepared. 871 00:46:20,736 --> 00:46:22,862 Anyone with information about these two men 872 00:46:22,863 --> 00:46:26,116 should provide it immediately to the nearest FBI office. 873 00:46:26,867 --> 00:46:29,286 [Jenifer] It blew my mind when we saw the sketches. 874 00:46:29,995 --> 00:46:31,788 {\an8}Looks like a couple of Bubbas! 875 00:46:31,789 --> 00:46:34,540 {\an8}It looks like some guys wanted for a beer truck robbery. 876 00:46:34,541 --> 00:46:36,375 {\an8}This does not look like the guys 877 00:46:36,376 --> 00:46:39,754 you think have masterminded this incredible explosion. 878 00:46:39,755 --> 00:46:42,715 And I think we wanted to think someone else did it to us. 879 00:46:42,716 --> 00:46:45,593 And again, Mitch and Jenifer, what a change this is, 880 00:46:45,594 --> 00:46:47,136 from when all of the spin, 881 00:46:47,137 --> 00:46:50,223 and the sense of the thing seemed to be Islamic fundamentalists, 882 00:46:50,224 --> 00:46:54,602 and now, suddenly, the focus of attention is back on Waco. 883 00:46:54,603 --> 00:46:57,146 [Jenifer] The focus is back on domestic terrorism 884 00:46:57,147 --> 00:46:58,981 as opposed to international terrorism. 885 00:46:58,982 --> 00:47:02,318 And you realize... [huffs] 886 00:47:02,319 --> 00:47:05,197 Wow. But that's us. 887 00:47:13,914 --> 00:47:15,289 [anchor] Sadness is still great, 888 00:47:15,290 --> 00:47:18,167 {\an8}and it is growing by the hour here in Oklahoma City. 889 00:47:18,168 --> 00:47:21,337 {\an8}The anger is too. We hear it from people who are calling our station. 890 00:47:21,338 --> 00:47:23,798 Let's look at the suspect information we have, 891 00:47:23,799 --> 00:47:25,884 put out by the FBI yesterday afternoon. 892 00:47:26,385 --> 00:47:29,637 [anchor 2] Firstly, the media unveiled a white male, about 5'10". 893 00:47:29,638 --> 00:47:33,267 [McVeigh] 894 00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:54,162 [metal clangs] 895 00:47:54,955 --> 00:47:56,957 [whirring] 896 00:48:00,168 --> 00:48:02,170 [intense music plays] 897 00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:05,965 [Walt] Get up the next morning, come to the command post. 898 00:48:05,966 --> 00:48:09,136 Everybody's excited, and I'm like, "What's going on?" 899 00:48:09,928 --> 00:48:12,013 [Bob] Walt Lamar comes into my office 900 00:48:12,014 --> 00:48:14,140 and says, "Boss, you're not gonna believe it." 901 00:48:14,141 --> 00:48:17,727 "Timothy McVeigh was arrested in Perry, Oklahoma, 902 00:48:17,728 --> 00:48:20,021 about an hour after the bombing." 903 00:48:20,022 --> 00:48:21,355 [intense music continues] 904 00:48:21,356 --> 00:48:24,817 [Charlie] Mid-morning, I receive a telephone call from the FBI, 905 00:48:24,818 --> 00:48:27,738 and they want to know if Tim McVeigh is still in jail. 906 00:48:28,447 --> 00:48:29,614 And so I said, 907 00:48:29,615 --> 00:48:32,199 {\an8}"McVeigh has already been taken to the courtroom, 908 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,454 {\an8}and is standing before the judge as we speak." 909 00:48:36,330 --> 00:48:39,833 He was 35, 45 minutes away from walking out the door. 910 00:48:41,418 --> 00:48:42,835 [Bob] He is the linchpin 911 00:48:42,836 --> 00:48:45,671 that is gonna hold this whole investigation together. 912 00:48:45,672 --> 00:48:48,090 I direct Danny to go up to Perry 913 00:48:48,091 --> 00:48:52,178 and to prepare for transportation of McVeigh back to Oklahoma City. 914 00:48:52,179 --> 00:48:53,721 He said, "Danny, go get him." 915 00:48:53,722 --> 00:48:54,806 [music continues] 916 00:48:58,226 --> 00:48:59,894 [indistinct overlapping voices] 917 00:48:59,895 --> 00:49:02,021 [Robin] We start hearing that there's an arrest, 918 00:49:02,022 --> 00:49:05,483 {\an8}and that someone is in Perry, Oklahoma, at the Noble County Courthouse. 919 00:49:05,484 --> 00:49:07,152 [engine starts, revs] 920 00:49:07,778 --> 00:49:11,322 So I get in the car with the photographer and we go to Perry. 921 00:49:11,323 --> 00:49:13,867 - [engine revving] - [tires screeching] 922 00:49:15,243 --> 00:49:18,788 {\an8}We have a special report from CBS, a possibility of one arrest. 923 00:49:18,789 --> 00:49:20,873 {\an8}Let's see if we can go to that right now. 924 00:49:20,874 --> 00:49:25,836 {\an8}We're told that a suspect, a person is under arrest in Perry, Oklahoma, 925 00:49:25,837 --> 00:49:28,589 {\an8}that meets the description of one of the suspects, 926 00:49:28,590 --> 00:49:31,343 a composite picture of which was released yesterday. 927 00:49:32,219 --> 00:49:34,720 {\an8}And then, simultaneous to Perry, 928 00:49:34,721 --> 00:49:37,724 {\an8}we found out about a raid in Decker, Michigan. 929 00:49:38,934 --> 00:49:41,477 Because on his jail booking card, 930 00:49:41,478 --> 00:49:45,649 McVeigh used a Decker address as his home address. 931 00:49:46,316 --> 00:49:48,442 [Bob] And at the Dreamland Motel, 932 00:49:48,443 --> 00:49:52,489 Timothy McVeigh used the same address in Michigan. 933 00:49:53,031 --> 00:49:57,160 So someone in that house is directly connected to the bomb itself. 934 00:49:57,744 --> 00:50:00,663 [Lee] That very quickly got out to national media. 935 00:50:00,664 --> 00:50:04,125 {\an8}[anchor] The authorities have located a possible suspect in a house 936 00:50:04,126 --> 00:50:05,126 {\an8}in a rural area 937 00:50:05,127 --> 00:50:10,256 {\an8}and is surrounded by federal authorities, local authorities, state authorities. 938 00:50:10,257 --> 00:50:13,384 {\an8}[Lee] We've got televisions all over the newsroom, and you look up, 939 00:50:13,385 --> 00:50:17,263 {\an8}and there are live shots of a farmhouse in Decker, Michigan, 940 00:50:17,264 --> 00:50:19,348 {\an8}where a raid is going down. 941 00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:23,853 {\an8}[Bob] We learn that that farmhouse is owned by a James Nichols, 942 00:50:23,854 --> 00:50:27,440 {\an8}and he has a brother named Terry Nichols, that also lives there. 943 00:50:27,441 --> 00:50:29,942 {\an8}[anchor 1] This house or the outbuilding behind it 944 00:50:29,943 --> 00:50:34,697 {\an8}may have either a Jerry Lynn Nichols, a James Douglas Nichols, some brothers, 945 00:50:34,698 --> 00:50:37,491 {\an8}one, both of them, or some family members of them. 946 00:50:37,492 --> 00:50:42,204 And they are two possible suspects in this Oklahoma City bombing. 947 00:50:42,205 --> 00:50:44,832 That's the connection here, you see, to Decker, Michigan. 948 00:50:44,833 --> 00:50:46,959 And we've learned, too, the name of the man 949 00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,254 arrested in Perry, Oklahoma. A Timothy McVeigh. 950 00:50:50,255 --> 00:50:53,841 That is the person that was arrested today in Perry, Oklahoma. 951 00:50:53,842 --> 00:50:57,219 We surround the house, and it gets all on national TV, 952 00:50:57,220 --> 00:51:00,556 {\an8}so it was extremely dangerous. 953 00:51:00,557 --> 00:51:03,350 {\an8}[anchor 2] They're going into the house. Walking into the house. 954 00:51:03,351 --> 00:51:06,146 {\an8}You can probably see it even better than I can. 955 00:51:07,606 --> 00:51:09,857 {\an8}Looks like they're going into the house. 956 00:51:09,858 --> 00:51:15,071 {\an8}The FBI went into the house in Decker, and they didn't find anybody. 957 00:51:15,072 --> 00:51:17,115 {\an8}[dark suspenseful music] 958 00:51:18,867 --> 00:51:19,784 [music fades] 959 00:51:19,785 --> 00:51:23,037 {\an8}[anchor 2] Right now we want to go live to Perry, Oklahoma, with Robin Marsh. 960 00:51:23,038 --> 00:51:24,121 {\an8}Robin. 961 00:51:24,122 --> 00:51:26,791 {\an8}[Robin] In the meantime, while we're there broadcasting live, 962 00:51:26,792 --> 00:51:29,543 more people come, and I then look around me, 963 00:51:29,544 --> 00:51:31,420 and there's thousands of people there. 964 00:51:31,421 --> 00:51:34,131 And there are media from all across the world 965 00:51:34,132 --> 00:51:35,883 in this small Oklahoma town. 966 00:51:35,884 --> 00:51:39,804 {\an8}And you're watching some plainclothes officials coming in 967 00:51:39,805 --> 00:51:41,388 {\an8}to the Noble County Jail. 968 00:51:41,389 --> 00:51:43,974 {\an8}They were just driven up by the Oklahoma Highway Patrol. 969 00:51:43,975 --> 00:51:46,227 {\an8}McVeigh was very close to getting out. 970 00:51:46,228 --> 00:51:47,812 {\an8}He was gonna get out of there. 971 00:51:47,813 --> 00:51:50,564 {\an8}But we were lucky to get there before he was released. 972 00:51:50,565 --> 00:51:53,943 {\an8}If we had not found Timothy McVeigh when we did, 973 00:51:53,944 --> 00:51:57,488 it would've been an excruciating period of time 974 00:51:57,489 --> 00:51:58,948 for everybody involved. 975 00:51:58,949 --> 00:52:00,116 [intense music playing] 976 00:52:00,117 --> 00:52:02,618 {\an8}[Danny] I remember walking up the stairs, 977 00:52:02,619 --> 00:52:04,995 {\an8}and there was a gentleman there, with a cowboy hat. 978 00:52:04,996 --> 00:52:07,289 {\an8}He walked up and said, "You boys from the FBI?" 979 00:52:07,290 --> 00:52:08,457 I said, "Yes, sir." 980 00:52:08,458 --> 00:52:10,668 He said, "If you have trouble with the evidence, 981 00:52:10,669 --> 00:52:13,255 {\an8}put that boy out the back gate, we'll have him." 982 00:52:13,755 --> 00:52:16,675 {\an8}Tensions were high. This crowd wanted to see him. 983 00:52:17,342 --> 00:52:20,178 They should let him loose out front, let everybody have at him. 984 00:52:20,762 --> 00:52:23,055 {\an8}[man] If they're guilty, kill the son of a bitches. 985 00:52:23,056 --> 00:52:24,724 - [woman] Go tell the camera. - Kill him. 986 00:52:25,433 --> 00:52:27,853 - Kill him. - [boy] I think they should kill him too. 987 00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,940 [Robin] I look up, there's a SWAT team on the top of the Noble County Courthouse. 988 00:52:32,941 --> 00:52:36,319 I just kept thinking, "They got to get this guy out." 989 00:52:37,112 --> 00:52:41,323 I was really concerned about a bad guy trying to take him or kill him. 990 00:52:41,324 --> 00:52:43,784 I mean, if he's part of an organization, 991 00:52:43,785 --> 00:52:46,620 if I was running it, the first thing I'd kill would be him. 992 00:52:46,621 --> 00:52:48,581 I don't want him spilling the beans. 993 00:52:48,582 --> 00:52:50,207 [crowd chatters indistinctly] 994 00:52:50,208 --> 00:52:54,295 We just waited and waited. The anticipation was getting very high. 995 00:52:54,296 --> 00:52:55,672 [music intensifies] 996 00:52:56,464 --> 00:52:59,259 The first time I saw McVeigh, he looked like the composite. 997 00:52:59,759 --> 00:53:01,636 [McVeigh] 998 00:53:08,185 --> 00:53:10,311 It's my duty to protect McVeigh. 999 00:53:10,312 --> 00:53:13,480 I don't want to protect him, but it's my job. 1000 00:53:13,481 --> 00:53:16,902 [McVeigh] 1001 00:53:28,038 --> 00:53:29,163 [music fades] 1002 00:53:29,164 --> 00:53:30,789 - [chatter] - [distant barking] 1003 00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:31,708 Thank you. 1004 00:53:47,682 --> 00:53:49,434 [crowd members wailing] 1005 00:53:51,019 --> 00:53:53,063 [crowd booing, yelling] 1006 00:53:56,274 --> 00:53:57,984 [McVeigh] 1007 00:54:10,956 --> 00:54:13,374 [Robin] Mr. McVeigh just sped away, 1008 00:54:13,375 --> 00:54:16,962 here from the Noble County Courthouse, in small Perry, Oklahoma. 1009 00:54:17,462 --> 00:54:20,839 He was brought here on a traffic charge and a weapons charge, 1010 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,426 but the DA and the judge here did not realize who this man was. 1011 00:54:24,427 --> 00:54:28,013 {\an8}Due to other matters the judge and I had, we had to wait until this morning. 1012 00:54:28,014 --> 00:54:31,850 {\an8}We've said all day long, in most cases, this guy would've bonded out yesterday. 1013 00:54:31,851 --> 00:54:35,437 {\an8}- [man] How do you feel about that now? - Uh, God was watching us. 1014 00:54:35,438 --> 00:54:37,690 {\an8}- [dramatic tone] - [intense music plays] 1015 00:54:37,691 --> 00:54:41,151 {\an8}At the same time, the FBI did start collecting evidence. 1016 00:54:41,152 --> 00:54:44,363 {\an8}It was at the home of James Nichols and his brother, Terry. 1017 00:54:44,364 --> 00:54:46,907 {\an8}The Nichols brothers are very anti-government. 1018 00:54:46,908 --> 00:54:49,660 {\an8}They don't believe in our government system, our banks. 1019 00:54:49,661 --> 00:54:52,330 {\an8}They're full of this government hatred. 1020 00:54:52,914 --> 00:54:55,165 [Bob] We learn a lot about Terry Nichols, 1021 00:54:55,166 --> 00:54:59,211 who is one of Timothy McVeigh's closest associates. 1022 00:54:59,212 --> 00:55:01,297 [Lee] The FBI found out really quickly 1023 00:55:01,298 --> 00:55:04,550 that this guy named Tim McVeigh had lived up there for a time, 1024 00:55:04,551 --> 00:55:07,136 and had been an army buddy with Terry Nichols. 1025 00:55:07,137 --> 00:55:08,721 {\an8}- [dramatic sting] - [music continues] 1026 00:55:08,722 --> 00:55:10,347 {\an8}[Scott] And we found a company photo 1027 00:55:10,348 --> 00:55:14,269 {\an8}that had both Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh in that photograph. 1028 00:55:14,894 --> 00:55:17,646 At that point, I set every bit of my attention 1029 00:55:17,647 --> 00:55:20,483 on trying to figure out where Terry Nichols might be. 1030 00:55:21,192 --> 00:55:26,156 We learned about a former wife of Terry Nichols named Lana Padilla. 1031 00:55:27,073 --> 00:55:30,744 Lana Padilla told us that Terry was living in Herington, Kansas, now. 1032 00:55:31,494 --> 00:55:33,787 Herington's only a short drive down the road 1033 00:55:33,788 --> 00:55:36,832 from where the Ryder truck was rented in Junction City, Kansas, 1034 00:55:36,833 --> 00:55:39,044 so we're really interested in Terry Nichols now. 1035 00:55:40,086 --> 00:55:42,212 So we set up on Terry Nichols' house 1036 00:55:42,213 --> 00:55:44,007 with the instructions of, 1037 00:55:44,591 --> 00:55:48,303 "Try not to get noticed, but don't let him get away." 1038 00:55:50,013 --> 00:55:51,638 [Scott] The agents sat there a while, 1039 00:55:51,639 --> 00:55:55,684 until they saw Terry Nichols and his wife and child come out, 1040 00:55:55,685 --> 00:55:58,146 and get in the truck and start to drive off. 1041 00:55:58,646 --> 00:55:59,898 As the agents follow, 1042 00:56:00,398 --> 00:56:04,234 Terry Nichols turned around and passed the street that he lived on, 1043 00:56:04,235 --> 00:56:07,864 and headed down toward the Herington Department of Public Safety. 1044 00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:11,283 [Bob] It looks like he makes the surveillance, 1045 00:56:11,284 --> 00:56:13,619 and he goes into the local police department 1046 00:56:13,620 --> 00:56:15,079 and turns himself in. 1047 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:19,625 {\an8}He has been tentatively identified as Terry Nichols of Michigan. 1048 00:56:19,626 --> 00:56:23,003 {\an8}He surrendered to local police, we are told, in Herington, Kansas. 1049 00:56:23,004 --> 00:56:24,839 [sirens wailing] 1050 00:56:39,604 --> 00:56:41,897 [Danny] McVeigh was with me in the backseat. 1051 00:56:41,898 --> 00:56:43,857 He starts to get up and I sat him down, 1052 00:56:43,858 --> 00:56:47,487 and I said, "You will behave on this trip, or I'll hurt you." 1053 00:56:48,238 --> 00:56:51,074 "Be a gentleman, and we'll be a gentleman." He said, "Yes, sir." 1054 00:56:52,492 --> 00:56:55,994 So I handcuffed him to the floor in the center of the helicopter 1055 00:56:55,995 --> 00:56:59,081 because I didn't want him bailing out and killing himself. 1056 00:56:59,082 --> 00:57:02,043 We want this guy alive. We don't want him dead. 1057 00:57:02,919 --> 00:57:05,088 But we don't know exactly what we have here. 1058 00:57:05,588 --> 00:57:07,798 This is one guy. This is a guy. 1059 00:57:07,799 --> 00:57:11,468 Is he part of a bigger conspiracy, and there's people trying to kill him? 1060 00:57:11,469 --> 00:57:15,556 We didn't know. So I got on the intercom with the pilot. 1061 00:57:15,557 --> 00:57:16,849 [rotor blades chopping] 1062 00:57:16,850 --> 00:57:20,394 I said, "Put this thing on the deck. I don't want a LAW rocket up my ass." 1063 00:57:20,395 --> 00:57:21,354 And he went... 1064 00:57:22,188 --> 00:57:26,734 We literally jumped over fences. We were that low on the deck. 1065 00:57:27,235 --> 00:57:29,194 And McVeigh never blinked. 1066 00:57:29,195 --> 00:57:30,321 He sat just like... 1067 00:57:31,281 --> 00:57:33,158 Didn't look left. Didn't look right. 1068 00:57:33,658 --> 00:57:35,576 Stone cold. 1069 00:57:35,577 --> 00:57:37,454 [intense pulsating music playing] 1070 00:57:44,377 --> 00:57:47,213 Bob Ricks arranged for us to take him to Tinker Air Force Base. 1071 00:57:47,797 --> 00:57:50,508 Plus, he sent an FBI SWAT team for security. 1072 00:57:58,975 --> 00:58:00,058 [music fades] 1073 00:58:00,059 --> 00:58:03,813 Tonight, the arrest of one American, another American being questioned. 1074 00:58:06,149 --> 00:58:08,192 [Danny] In the police department there in Herington, 1075 00:58:08,193 --> 00:58:11,236 {\an8}they interview Terry Nichols for ten hours. 1076 00:58:11,237 --> 00:58:12,779 {\an8}[suspenseful music playing] 1077 00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:14,365 [Scott] We start talking to him. 1078 00:58:14,991 --> 00:58:17,577 He did not seem flustered. He did not seem nervous. 1079 00:58:19,996 --> 00:58:22,164 He was cold and calm. 1080 00:58:22,165 --> 00:58:23,290 [music builds] 1081 00:58:23,291 --> 00:58:26,627 We kept going back over them going to gun shows, 1082 00:58:26,628 --> 00:58:28,962 and them talking about building bombs. 1083 00:58:28,963 --> 00:58:31,215 It was the longest interview I'd ever done. 1084 00:58:31,216 --> 00:58:33,927 We were able to hit him with some pretty hard stuff. 1085 00:58:35,011 --> 00:58:39,015 I said, "Do you think there's any chance that McVeigh could've done this?" 1086 00:58:40,350 --> 00:58:42,227 And his response was, 1087 00:58:42,727 --> 00:58:44,979 "He could've done it without me knowing about it." 1088 00:58:45,563 --> 00:58:47,356 But then, Terry made the statement, 1089 00:58:47,357 --> 00:58:51,110 "I know as much as Tim McVeigh does about how to make bombs." 1090 00:58:52,403 --> 00:58:55,989 We never did get him to say "I did it" or "We did it," 1091 00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:59,160 but when I heard those two things, as far as I'm concerned, 1092 00:58:59,911 --> 00:59:01,245 that's what I needed. 1093 00:59:01,246 --> 00:59:03,039 [suspenseful music intensifies] 1094 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,457 Now there is no doubt 1095 00:59:05,458 --> 00:59:09,879 that if we put this guy before a jury, they would find him guilty. 1096 00:59:11,047 --> 00:59:13,632 [crowd yelling indistinctly] 1097 00:59:13,633 --> 00:59:14,926 [music fades out] 1098 00:59:19,264 --> 00:59:22,140 First, we'll take a look at the news headlines this morning. 1099 00:59:22,141 --> 00:59:25,852 Federal agents are moving forward in their investigation of the bombing. 1100 00:59:25,853 --> 00:59:27,688 Some would say with amazing speed. 1101 00:59:27,689 --> 00:59:30,399 {\an8}One man has now been charged, others are being questioned. 1102 00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,651 {\an8}There is a hint of more arrests to come. 1103 00:59:32,652 --> 00:59:34,278 [moody tense music plays] 1104 00:59:34,279 --> 00:59:39,576 While Terry has turned himself in, the FBI agents are searching his home. 1105 00:59:40,076 --> 00:59:42,619 The question became, is he the only one? 1106 00:59:42,620 --> 00:59:46,790 Is he a part of a group? And is this going to happen again? 1107 00:59:46,791 --> 00:59:48,418 [tense music continues] 1108 00:59:50,253 --> 00:59:52,379 They didn't know if there might be tripwires 1109 00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:54,590 or anything that might set off an explosion. 1110 00:59:54,591 --> 00:59:57,718 [indistinct male voice on radio] 1111 00:59:57,719 --> 00:59:59,804 [indistinct radio message continues] 1112 01:00:01,472 --> 01:00:04,558 So the search warrant teams were using an abundance of caution 1113 01:00:04,559 --> 01:00:06,977 before they finally started executing the search. 1114 01:00:06,978 --> 01:00:10,063 - [man on radio] Come over here. - [crackling] 1115 01:00:10,064 --> 01:00:12,066 [indistinct chatter on radio] 1116 01:00:14,277 --> 01:00:17,196 We find a trove of evidence inside that house. 1117 01:00:17,780 --> 01:00:20,490 We found five rolls of primer det, blasting caps. 1118 01:00:20,491 --> 01:00:22,409 {\an8}We found a calling card, 1119 01:00:22,410 --> 01:00:25,455 and a receipt for 2,000 pounds of ammonium nitrate. 1120 01:00:26,247 --> 01:00:30,125 After the bombing, Nichols was trying to get rid of this stuff. 1121 01:00:30,126 --> 01:00:34,129 And he was throwing so much ammonium nitrate fertilizer in his yard, 1122 01:00:34,130 --> 01:00:36,256 the neighbors said it looked like it was snowing. 1123 01:00:36,257 --> 01:00:40,093 [Jon] Now we're starting to put together a good case against Terry Nichols 1124 01:00:40,094 --> 01:00:41,262 as well as Tim McVeigh. 1125 01:00:41,763 --> 01:00:44,848 But we knew, in a case like this, we needed an insider. 1126 01:00:44,849 --> 01:00:46,559 [music becomes ominous] 1127 01:00:49,228 --> 01:00:50,062 [music fading] 1128 01:00:50,063 --> 01:00:53,357 I call the division in Buffalo, that's where McVeigh was from, 1129 01:00:53,358 --> 01:00:55,360 and I had them get his father. 1130 01:00:56,778 --> 01:00:59,738 {\an8}And I'm feeling a lot of sympathy for him. 1131 01:00:59,739 --> 01:01:01,407 {\an8}I mean, if this had been my son, 1132 01:01:01,908 --> 01:01:04,410 I couldn't have stood that. That would've been horrible. 1133 01:01:06,204 --> 01:01:10,040 So I ask him, I said, "Who would your son do this with?" 1134 01:01:10,041 --> 01:01:11,208 [dark music playing] 1135 01:01:11,209 --> 01:01:13,920 He said, "Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier." 1136 01:01:15,171 --> 01:01:16,004 Bingo. 1137 01:01:16,005 --> 01:01:17,297 {\an8}[dramatic tone] 1138 01:01:17,298 --> 01:01:19,299 [Bob] Michael Fortier, Terry Nichols, 1139 01:01:19,300 --> 01:01:22,594 and Tim McVeigh served in the military at the same time, 1140 01:01:22,595 --> 01:01:25,180 and they were like three peas in a pod. 1141 01:01:25,181 --> 01:01:29,602 They were very close to each other, shared anti-government beliefs. 1142 01:01:30,103 --> 01:01:32,521 And he's now living in Arizona. 1143 01:01:32,522 --> 01:01:35,607 [Danny] Bob Ricks, he said, "We need to approach Michael Fortier." 1144 01:01:35,608 --> 01:01:36,650 "I want you to do it." 1145 01:01:36,651 --> 01:01:39,570 {\an8}- [intense music pulsating] - [airplane engine roars] 1146 01:01:44,283 --> 01:01:47,912 {\an8}We arranged with the sheriff to have him brought in to talk to me. 1147 01:01:49,455 --> 01:01:51,207 And he looked like a rat. 1148 01:01:53,418 --> 01:01:56,420 We said, "We want to talk to you about the bombing in Oklahoma." 1149 01:01:56,421 --> 01:01:57,671 And he got indignant. 1150 01:01:57,672 --> 01:02:01,842 I do not believe that Tim blew up any building in Oklahoma. 1151 01:02:01,843 --> 01:02:04,761 [anchor] McVeigh lived in Kingman off and on the past year. 1152 01:02:04,762 --> 01:02:06,805 Fortier helped him find a job. 1153 01:02:06,806 --> 01:02:08,056 I don't want to talk. 1154 01:02:08,057 --> 01:02:11,268 [anchor 2] Kingman resident Mike Fortier, army buddy of McVeigh, 1155 01:02:11,269 --> 01:02:14,146 some sources say, potentially a major witness in the case, 1156 01:02:14,147 --> 01:02:16,314 {\an8}his trailer raided by the FBI. 1157 01:02:16,315 --> 01:02:18,692 His life in recent weeks turned upside down 1158 01:02:18,693 --> 01:02:20,695 by federal agents and the media. 1159 01:02:21,195 --> 01:02:24,072 The problem was that we didn't have enough information 1160 01:02:24,073 --> 01:02:25,700 to charge Michael Fortier. 1161 01:02:28,911 --> 01:02:30,413 [music becomes sinister] 1162 01:02:31,998 --> 01:02:35,417 The most important thing that we found at Terry Nichols' house 1163 01:02:35,418 --> 01:02:38,880 that really tied Michael Fortier to the bombing was the calling card. 1164 01:02:39,464 --> 01:02:42,883 You have to go back in time because we all didn't have cell phones, 1165 01:02:42,884 --> 01:02:45,886 but you could get a calling card that was prepaid, 1166 01:02:45,887 --> 01:02:48,639 and every so often, you'd have to replenish those funds. 1167 01:02:49,182 --> 01:02:50,432 They got that calling card 1168 01:02:50,433 --> 01:02:52,809 'cause they thought that'd hide their identity. 1169 01:02:52,810 --> 01:02:55,271 We used that calling card as a roadmap. 1170 01:02:56,147 --> 01:02:59,357 [Lee] This calling card was the key piece 1171 01:02:59,358 --> 01:03:03,779 that allowed the FBI to map the entire spider web. 1172 01:03:03,780 --> 01:03:07,324 But it led them to places that they wouldn't have known about otherwise. 1173 01:03:07,325 --> 01:03:09,659 [dialing on phone] 1174 01:03:09,660 --> 01:03:13,163 [Bob] And now we can go back to trace where they were 1175 01:03:13,164 --> 01:03:15,373 whenever they'd travel around the country, 1176 01:03:15,374 --> 01:03:17,876 when they were purchasing components for the bombing. 1177 01:03:17,877 --> 01:03:20,378 - [dramatic rumbling sting] - [music continues] 1178 01:03:20,379 --> 01:03:22,506 The other thing this calling card told us 1179 01:03:22,507 --> 01:03:25,926 was that instead of this big, broad conspiracy 1180 01:03:25,927 --> 01:03:27,762 that we suspected initially, 1181 01:03:28,554 --> 01:03:31,432 it was limited to just a small group of people. 1182 01:03:32,391 --> 01:03:36,521 But we needed to gather evidence that's sufficient for a prosecution. 1183 01:03:37,021 --> 01:03:40,148 [Jon] You have an insider telling what happened. It goes a long ways, 1184 01:03:40,149 --> 01:03:43,945 especially if you corroborate everything they're telling you. 1185 01:03:44,570 --> 01:03:48,031 We had a lot of arguments about that, but we all came to the conclusion. 1186 01:03:48,032 --> 01:03:50,618 Sometimes you have to make a deal with the devil. 1187 01:03:51,244 --> 01:03:53,788 I remember he said, "You don't understand. We're at war." 1188 01:03:54,288 --> 01:03:56,832 I said, "No, we're not. I'd have killed you already." 1189 01:03:56,833 --> 01:04:00,001 He said, "It's about the Constitution." I said, "It is." 1190 01:04:00,002 --> 01:04:02,420 "We're gonna arrest you under the Constitution." 1191 01:04:02,421 --> 01:04:04,881 "I'm gonna convict you under the Constitution." 1192 01:04:04,882 --> 01:04:05,799 "And one day, 1193 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:09,219 we're gonna strap you to a gurney, stick a needle in your arm, 1194 01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:12,306 and we're going to execute you under the Constitution." 1195 01:04:13,140 --> 01:04:16,727 And while we all can't stomach the deal with Michael Fortier, 1196 01:04:17,436 --> 01:04:18,937 we knew it needed to be made. 1197 01:04:18,938 --> 01:04:20,939 He gave us a lot of information. 1198 01:04:20,940 --> 01:04:23,817 That may've been the biggest break in the whole case. 1199 01:04:23,818 --> 01:04:26,904 He talked about meeting with McVeigh in his kitchen, 1200 01:04:27,989 --> 01:04:31,116 and how McVeigh talked about how he was going to construct the bomb. 1201 01:04:31,117 --> 01:04:32,784 And he used soup cans 1202 01:04:32,785 --> 01:04:36,664 to show how McVeigh was gonna try to make a shaped charge. 1203 01:04:37,164 --> 01:04:41,293 After Terry Nichols and Tim McVeigh had acquired the bomb components, 1204 01:04:41,294 --> 01:04:44,547 they showed Michael Fortier the bomb components. 1205 01:04:45,464 --> 01:04:46,548 [music continues] 1206 01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:50,260 [Bob] Tim McVeigh convinces him to take a trip to Oklahoma City, 1207 01:04:50,261 --> 01:04:53,388 and he shows him where the bombing is going to take place. 1208 01:04:53,389 --> 01:04:57,268 After that occurred, I think Michael Fortier realized, this is real. 1209 01:04:57,852 --> 01:05:01,021 [Jon] He absolutely knew what Tim McVeigh was going to do. 1210 01:05:01,022 --> 01:05:04,775 He could've stopped all of this with an anonymous phone call. 1211 01:05:05,443 --> 01:05:07,736 [anchor] Charged with having prior knowledge of the bombing, 1212 01:05:07,737 --> 01:05:10,655 he will testify against McVeigh and Nichols 1213 01:05:10,656 --> 01:05:12,657 in hopes of getting a lighter sentence. 1214 01:05:12,658 --> 01:05:14,869 - [dramatic tone] - [somber music plays] 1215 01:05:23,419 --> 01:05:27,130 [Jon] It was tough for all of us, and we realized that there's a possibility 1216 01:05:27,131 --> 01:05:29,341 {\an8}of three infants still being in that building. 1217 01:05:29,342 --> 01:05:33,595 {\an8}We're zeroing in on now an area possibly where those infants will be found. 1218 01:05:33,596 --> 01:05:35,389 [somber music continues] 1219 01:05:42,146 --> 01:05:43,772 [Renee] I remember the day they announced 1220 01:05:43,773 --> 01:05:47,777 that they were able to get to the area where the babies' bodies were. 1221 01:05:48,569 --> 01:05:53,157 We were so overjoyed that they were just able to find him. 1222 01:05:53,866 --> 01:05:56,034 Not that he was alive, but they found him. 1223 01:05:56,035 --> 01:05:58,536 That was what it turned into, 1224 01:05:58,537 --> 01:06:01,666 you know, just, "Please just let him all be there." 1225 01:06:03,042 --> 01:06:04,126 [inhales sharply] 1226 01:06:09,215 --> 01:06:11,801 After that, at night, 1227 01:06:12,468 --> 01:06:16,180 I would drive down to the prison where he was. 1228 01:06:17,056 --> 01:06:18,933 Just sit out there. 1229 01:06:27,858 --> 01:06:29,694 Just sit out there in the dark, 1230 01:06:30,903 --> 01:06:34,240 wondering how I could get in so I could hurt him. 1231 01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:37,410 [somber music continues] 1232 01:06:40,413 --> 01:06:43,665 The arrest of Tim McVeigh was the result of an extraordinary combination 1233 01:06:43,666 --> 01:06:46,793 of skill, luck, and timing on the part of the very government 1234 01:06:46,794 --> 01:06:49,129 he allegedly detests for incompetence. 1235 01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:50,755 There are so many questions. 1236 01:06:50,756 --> 01:06:53,675 One of the most puzzling, if he is guilty as charged, 1237 01:06:53,676 --> 01:06:55,636 what led him to do this? 1238 01:06:56,137 --> 01:07:01,725 {\an8}Everybody wanted to find out who he was, and why he did what he did. 1239 01:07:01,726 --> 01:07:06,688 {\an8}And there was a reporter from Buffalo named Lou Michel who got the scoop 1240 01:07:06,689 --> 01:07:10,443 {\an8}that everybody in the world was after as they were covering the bombing. 1241 01:07:11,652 --> 01:07:13,654 - [buzzer] - [metal clanging] 1242 01:07:14,196 --> 01:07:15,865 [man] While he was in prison, 1243 01:07:16,615 --> 01:07:22,079 {\an8}Dan Herbeck and I recorded about 60 hours of conversations with him. 1244 01:07:22,830 --> 01:07:24,373 And for the most part, 1245 01:07:24,874 --> 01:07:29,420 the depth of these conversations has never been heard by anyone before. 1246 01:07:30,421 --> 01:07:34,424 There was word that he was an army veteran from the first Gulf War, 1247 01:07:34,425 --> 01:07:38,428 that he liked guns, but he was really a mystery to everybody. 1248 01:07:38,429 --> 01:07:41,724 - [ominous music playing] - So we started with his childhood. 1249 01:07:42,892 --> 01:07:46,312 [McVeigh] 1250 01:07:46,812 --> 01:07:50,441 The bully theme runs so deep in his DNA 1251 01:07:51,275 --> 01:07:55,738 because he was this skinny little kid who got picked on. 1252 01:07:56,238 --> 01:07:58,074 [McVeigh] 1253 01:08:09,585 --> 01:08:13,756 We can't find that he ever had a meaningful relationship with a woman. 1254 01:08:14,256 --> 01:08:17,593 He almost fit the description of a school shooter. 1255 01:08:18,177 --> 01:08:20,428 [Lou] He had comic book collections, 1256 01:08:20,429 --> 01:08:22,889 and he wound up selling that comic book collection 1257 01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:28,229 so that he could buy guns, because guns made him feel secure. 1258 01:08:28,854 --> 01:08:32,607 [Lee] From a really young age, he was fascinated with guns. 1259 01:08:32,608 --> 01:08:36,861 There's a photograph of McVeigh hanging from a tree 1260 01:08:36,862 --> 01:08:39,281 with a shoulder holster with a pistol in it. 1261 01:08:39,782 --> 01:08:45,412 That fits into this macho type of military guy that he's trying to be. 1262 01:08:46,372 --> 01:08:48,414 [George Bush Sr.] As commander in chief, 1263 01:08:48,415 --> 01:08:52,168 I can report to you, aggression is defeated. 1264 01:08:52,169 --> 01:08:54,255 - The war is over. - [applause] 1265 01:08:55,464 --> 01:08:57,715 He came home from the first Gulf War. 1266 01:08:57,716 --> 01:08:59,300 He had a Bronze Star. 1267 01:08:59,301 --> 01:09:01,720 He'd killed a couple of Iraqis. 1268 01:09:02,471 --> 01:09:06,015 But even in the army, he was an outsider. 1269 01:09:06,016 --> 01:09:08,978 [McVeigh] 1270 01:09:16,610 --> 01:09:19,864 After the first Gulf War, he was a lost soul. 1271 01:09:20,614 --> 01:09:22,073 Wandering around the country, 1272 01:09:22,074 --> 01:09:25,618 bouncing from Decker, Michigan, with the Nichols brothers, 1273 01:09:25,619 --> 01:09:28,873 over to Kingman, Arizona, to Michael Fortier. 1274 01:09:29,373 --> 01:09:31,041 [McVeigh] 1275 01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:42,552 As McVeigh was roaming the country, going from gun show to gun show, 1276 01:09:42,553 --> 01:09:47,849 he was listening constantly to these right-wing radio hosts, 1277 01:09:47,850 --> 01:09:52,771 that were peddling conspiracy theories and spewing this anti-government rhetoric. 1278 01:09:53,272 --> 01:09:56,733 [Lou] "We hate the government. They're gonna take our guns away." 1279 01:09:56,734 --> 01:09:58,903 And McVeigh was in that fringe. 1280 01:09:59,653 --> 01:10:01,447 Dead. Right in the heart. 1281 01:10:02,364 --> 01:10:04,365 They're taking away our rights. 1282 01:10:04,366 --> 01:10:05,325 [man] What rights? 1283 01:10:05,326 --> 01:10:06,744 Our rights for guns. 1284 01:10:07,369 --> 01:10:11,664 [Lee] His anger toward the government was just building and building. 1285 01:10:11,665 --> 01:10:15,251 So he turned to the book that he idolized, The Turner Diaries. 1286 01:10:15,252 --> 01:10:17,253 [mysterious music playing] 1287 01:10:17,254 --> 01:10:18,838 [Lee] The Turner Diaries is a book 1288 01:10:18,839 --> 01:10:21,174 that was written by a man named William Pierce, 1289 01:10:21,175 --> 01:10:23,344 who was a longtime neo-Nazi. 1290 01:10:25,054 --> 01:10:29,015 It told the story of a white supremacist revolutionary 1291 01:10:29,016 --> 01:10:33,812 that led an insurrection against the federal government. 1292 01:10:36,190 --> 01:10:40,443 And it's regarded as a bible for right-wing extremists. 1293 01:10:40,444 --> 01:10:43,739 [McVeigh] 1294 01:10:51,413 --> 01:10:55,125 {\an8}Probably the most important idea expressed in The Turner Diaries 1295 01:10:55,626 --> 01:11:01,214 {\an8}is that each person has to stop being a spectator and start being a participant. 1296 01:11:01,215 --> 01:11:02,382 [Lee] In The Turner Diaries, 1297 01:11:02,383 --> 01:11:06,010 you have an illustration of the main character 1298 01:11:06,011 --> 01:11:09,472 blowing up the FBI headquarters with a truck bomb. 1299 01:11:09,473 --> 01:11:13,768 The truck is loaded with the same kind of ammonium nitrate explosives 1300 01:11:13,769 --> 01:11:15,645 that McVeigh used in his bombing. 1301 01:11:15,646 --> 01:11:19,691 {\an8}Then, Waco happens in '93. 1302 01:11:19,692 --> 01:11:21,402 {\an8}Just arrived today. 1303 01:11:23,237 --> 01:11:25,530 Somebody told me a lot of people would be scared 1304 01:11:25,531 --> 01:11:27,408 to put something on like this. 1305 01:11:28,575 --> 01:11:29,742 [loud boom] 1306 01:11:29,743 --> 01:11:33,663 [anchor] As many as 86 people are thought to have died in yesterday's inferno, 1307 01:11:33,664 --> 01:11:35,581 including some 17 children. 1308 01:11:35,582 --> 01:11:37,500 [anchor 2] There remain serious questions 1309 01:11:37,501 --> 01:11:40,253 of why the FBI chose to go in in such force. 1310 01:11:40,254 --> 01:11:41,713 [reporter] It's hard to remember 1311 01:11:41,714 --> 01:11:43,965 that all of this started with a search warrant 1312 01:11:43,966 --> 01:11:46,676 and a cache of allegedly illegal weapons. 1313 01:11:46,677 --> 01:11:50,471 [Lee] And for somebody like McVeigh, this was absolute evidence 1314 01:11:50,472 --> 01:11:54,392 that the feds were after people like him. 1315 01:11:54,393 --> 01:11:58,521 And now he has his sense of purpose. 1316 01:11:58,522 --> 01:12:01,108 [McVeigh] 1317 01:12:13,412 --> 01:12:15,872 He thought that he could be the hero, 1318 01:12:15,873 --> 01:12:19,042 to alert everybody in America that it was time 1319 01:12:19,043 --> 01:12:21,669 to take on the government before they came for your guns. 1320 01:12:21,670 --> 01:12:25,924 The bombing, he had hoped that that would spark a revolution. 1321 01:12:26,467 --> 01:12:29,595 [McVeigh speaking] 1322 01:12:36,018 --> 01:12:37,186 [music becomes eerie] 1323 01:12:39,688 --> 01:12:41,231 [eerie music continues] 1324 01:12:42,608 --> 01:12:45,276 [anchor] The grand jury delivered its indictment at a courthouse 1325 01:12:45,277 --> 01:12:48,488 across the street from the site of the worst terrorist attack 1326 01:12:48,489 --> 01:12:50,198 ever in the United States. 1327 01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:51,324 The indictment alleges 1328 01:12:51,325 --> 01:12:54,535 that Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols alone 1329 01:12:54,536 --> 01:12:56,496 planned and executed the bombing. 1330 01:12:56,497 --> 01:12:58,998 Also indicted today, Michael Fortier. 1331 01:12:58,999 --> 01:13:01,459 Charged with having prior knowledge of the bombing, 1332 01:13:01,460 --> 01:13:04,462 he will testify against McVeigh and Nichols 1333 01:13:04,463 --> 01:13:06,714 in hopes of getting a lighter sentence. 1334 01:13:06,715 --> 01:13:09,592 [Jon] With what he told us, by the time we got in the courtroom, 1335 01:13:09,593 --> 01:13:11,469 the case was really overwhelming. 1336 01:13:11,470 --> 01:13:13,514 [moody tense music plays] 1337 01:13:14,139 --> 01:13:16,891 Today, the government's star witness against Timothy McVeigh 1338 01:13:16,892 --> 01:13:19,268 takes the stand at the Oklahoma City bombing trial. 1339 01:13:19,269 --> 01:13:21,437 Michael Fortier is expected to tell the jury 1340 01:13:21,438 --> 01:13:25,066 that McVeigh told him in detail how he was going to build a bomb 1341 01:13:25,067 --> 01:13:27,402 and blow up the federal building in Oklahoma City. 1342 01:13:27,403 --> 01:13:30,279 I really struggled with the trial. 1343 01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:32,698 I didn't want any part of the trial. 1344 01:13:32,699 --> 01:13:34,575 {\an8}I did not want to go to it. 1345 01:13:34,576 --> 01:13:37,286 {\an8}I just almost tried to pretend it wasn't happening. 1346 01:13:37,287 --> 01:13:40,873 {\an8}[anchor] In just 11 days of testimony, the prosecution has presented 1347 01:13:40,874 --> 01:13:42,750 {\an8}more than 90 witnesses, 1348 01:13:42,751 --> 01:13:45,963 {\an8}giving McVeigh a motive and tracing his movements. 1349 01:13:46,463 --> 01:13:49,757 Ultimately, McVeigh wanted to take credit for the bombing 1350 01:13:49,758 --> 01:13:51,217 that he'd carried out. 1351 01:13:51,218 --> 01:13:53,846 [McVeigh] 1352 01:14:08,861 --> 01:14:10,361 [moody music continues] 1353 01:14:10,362 --> 01:14:11,864 [foreboding dull hammering] 1354 01:14:16,743 --> 01:14:18,203 {\an8}[woman] We, the jury, 1355 01:14:19,037 --> 01:14:21,665 find as follows in the case of Timothy McVeigh, count one. 1356 01:14:22,458 --> 01:14:23,792 {\an8}- [spluttering sobs] - Conspiracy. 1357 01:14:24,418 --> 01:14:25,418 {\an8}Guilty. 1358 01:14:25,419 --> 01:14:26,795 [whooping and cheering] 1359 01:14:28,922 --> 01:14:30,841 - Guilty. - [crowd cheers, applauds] 1360 01:14:31,675 --> 01:14:33,218 {\an8}[Amy] When the verdict was read, 1361 01:14:34,094 --> 01:14:36,596 {\an8}it was like somebody let air out of a tire. 1362 01:14:36,597 --> 01:14:39,099 It's over. It's over. 1363 01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:44,479 [woman] Based upon these considerations, the jury recommends, by unanimous vote, 1364 01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,689 that the following sentence be imposed, 1365 01:14:46,690 --> 01:14:50,568 that defendant Timothy McVeigh will be sentenced to death. 1366 01:14:50,569 --> 01:14:52,905 - [woman] Guilty. - [crowd cheers, applauds] 1367 01:14:53,614 --> 01:14:55,324 [unnerving string music plays] 1368 01:15:01,121 --> 01:15:04,500 I didn't want him to die when they decided to execute him. 1369 01:15:05,459 --> 01:15:06,876 I wanted to protest. 1370 01:15:06,877 --> 01:15:09,295 {\an8}[anchor] Timothy McVeigh showed no reaction, 1371 01:15:09,296 --> 01:15:12,840 {\an8}never flinched as he heard the jury vote for death. 1372 01:15:12,841 --> 01:15:14,175 [music becomes somber] 1373 01:15:14,176 --> 01:15:16,511 [Renee] This is not right. It's not fair. 1374 01:15:16,512 --> 01:15:20,598 He's taking the easy road out. We have to live with this. He doesn't. 1375 01:15:20,599 --> 01:15:22,351 [somber music continues] 1376 01:15:24,853 --> 01:15:28,190 [church bells tolling] 1377 01:15:31,777 --> 01:15:33,195 [somber music continues] 1378 01:15:41,119 --> 01:15:42,538 [music becomes poignant] 1379 01:15:49,169 --> 01:15:52,214 [Walt] When I talk about the Oklahoma Standard, it's real. 1380 01:15:56,843 --> 01:15:59,972 {\an8}Hundreds of stories of people that day 1381 01:16:00,681 --> 01:16:01,723 {\an8}that responded. 1382 01:16:02,474 --> 01:16:05,810 I just wanted to help the people, the victims and their families. 1383 01:16:05,811 --> 01:16:07,688 [Walt] They stood up for one another. 1384 01:16:10,691 --> 01:16:12,400 They looked after one another. 1385 01:16:12,401 --> 01:16:14,903 Let him know there's still some good in the world. 1386 01:16:15,654 --> 01:16:17,197 [Walt] They saved one another. 1387 01:16:20,242 --> 01:16:22,076 They prayed for each other. 1388 01:16:22,077 --> 01:16:25,080 Yeah, a prayer for people who've lost loved ones. 1389 01:16:26,164 --> 01:16:29,792 And you think about what that collective response means. 1390 01:16:29,793 --> 01:16:34,798 People need someone just to lean on, someone to hold their hand, to hug them. 1391 01:16:36,008 --> 01:16:38,719 [Walt] Neighbors, friends, relatives, moms and dads. 1392 01:16:39,636 --> 01:16:40,637 Their children. 1393 01:16:45,267 --> 01:16:46,768 That's us. 1394 01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:55,776 [Charlie] The Oklahoma Standard shined brightly. 1395 01:16:55,777 --> 01:16:58,238 {\an8}It shows what Oklahoma people are about. 1396 01:16:58,989 --> 01:17:00,449 {\an8}That they're caring people. 1397 01:17:01,074 --> 01:17:02,701 [somber music playing] 1398 01:17:09,374 --> 01:17:11,375 - [blast of air] - [explosion thunders] 1399 01:17:11,376 --> 01:17:12,918 [metal groans] 1400 01:17:12,919 --> 01:17:14,962 [somber music continues] 1401 01:17:14,963 --> 01:17:16,632 [explosions echo] 1402 01:17:17,716 --> 01:17:19,384 - [bell tolls] - [rumbling] 1403 01:17:21,219 --> 01:17:25,349 - [somber music continues] - [distant explosion thunders] 1404 01:17:27,184 --> 01:17:29,018 [Carl] All this mass casualty training I'd had, 1405 01:17:29,019 --> 01:17:32,564 never once did anyone train me on the human factor. 1406 01:17:33,857 --> 01:17:36,151 The one thing I didn't know going into that 1407 01:17:37,527 --> 01:17:39,404 was what it was gonna do to me. 1408 01:17:41,782 --> 01:17:44,910 That bothers me still, and that little girl I triaged. 1409 01:17:45,535 --> 01:17:46,787 That I had to let go. 1410 01:17:48,246 --> 01:17:49,665 That really bothers me. 1411 01:17:50,290 --> 01:17:51,833 [somber music continues] 1412 01:18:00,008 --> 01:18:05,305 [Renee] My second son, Carlos Moore Jr., was born on Little Tony's birthday. 1413 01:18:06,682 --> 01:18:09,851 And I was a helicopter mom for a long time, and many years. 1414 01:18:10,352 --> 01:18:14,106 [chuckles] So, it's okay. I'm okay with that. 1415 01:18:14,606 --> 01:18:16,441 [somber music continues] 1416 01:18:17,401 --> 01:18:20,569 He is the love of my life. [chuckles] 1417 01:18:20,570 --> 01:18:23,990 Yeah. He's 22 now. I can't believe it. 1418 01:18:25,242 --> 01:18:27,994 But yeah, I love him. [giggles] 1419 01:18:33,041 --> 01:18:37,295 [Amy] I'm very blessed to have a second chance. 1420 01:18:40,382 --> 01:18:41,883 And I hope that it honors 1421 01:18:44,094 --> 01:18:47,138 the lives of the people that don't have a second chance, 1422 01:18:47,139 --> 01:18:48,640 that I'm embracing mine. 1423 01:18:49,224 --> 01:18:50,767 [music builds] 1424 01:18:58,191 --> 01:19:00,026 [moody percussive music] 1425 01:19:35,645 --> 01:19:38,482 - [light drum snare] - [music becomes solemn] 1426 01:20:01,046 --> 01:20:02,756 [solemn music continues] 1427 01:20:22,567 --> 01:20:23,567 [music stops] 1428 01:20:23,568 --> 01:20:25,070 [silence] 1429 01:20:35,831 --> 01:20:37,207 [solemn music plays] 1430 01:21:41,146 --> 01:21:42,856 [solemn music continues] 1431 01:22:08,882 --> 01:22:10,383 [music darkens] 1432 01:22:25,148 --> 01:22:26,900 [music fades to silence] 1432 01:22:27,305 --> 01:23:27,310 Watch Online Movies and Series for FREE www.osdb.link/lm