Louis Theroux: The Settlers

1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:04,360 Do you want to show where we are right now? Cos I think 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,200 we're quite deep inside what are called the Palestinian territories. 3 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:10,120 What you call the Palestinian territories. 4 00:00:10,120 --> 00:00:14,080 I call it the heart of Judea. If you say the Palestinian territories, 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:18,440 you're essentially already saying that this right here, 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:20,560 right here is going to be 7 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,920 a jihadist Palestinian state 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,520 right in the heart of Israel. Not only in the heart of Israel, 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:27,988 we're talking about, like, the biblical... 10 00:00:28,071 --> 00:00:28,840 But why Jihadist? 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:29,920 Why do you say Jihadist? 12 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,000 Why couldn't it just be a Palestinian state? 13 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:34,520 OK, to understand the Arab way of thinking 14 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:36,960 that they understand, there's a war. 15 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,440 They win the war if they get territory. 16 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,448 They lose the war if they lose territory. 17 00:00:42,531 --> 00:00:43,720 You could flip that 18 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,360 and say, "Well, that's what, in a sense, you're doing." 19 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,720 That's what I aspire to do. That's what I aspire to do. 20 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,320 This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting 21 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,360 Beyond the eastern edge of Israel 22 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,280 is the Palestinian territory of the West Bank. 23 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,800 It was occupied in war by Israel in 1967. 24 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:12,840 Since then, hundreds of thousands of Jewish settlers have moved here, 25 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,200 illegally, under international law. 26 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,280 Among them, a group of religious nationalists 27 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:23,760 who see it as their divine right to build a greater Israel... 28 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:28,960 ..and drive out the Palestinians who've been here for generations. 29 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,520 I made a film about them in 2011. 30 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,440 But now, since the attack of October 7th, I'd heard 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,400 that they were accelerating the settlement process... 32 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,120 Why you filming me? 33 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,160 ..while being protected by the Israeli military. 34 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:53,960 I'd come to try to understand their mindset 35 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:58,480 and to see the consequences of their ultra-nationalist vision up close. 36 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:04,200 They don't see us as equal human being 37 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,000 who deserve the same rights they do. 38 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:15,074 Watch Online Movies and Series for FREE www.osdb.link/lm 39 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,560 I was close to Israel's southern border. 40 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:28,720 At a viewpoint, tourists were surveying the ruins of Gaza. 41 00:02:30,640 --> 00:02:34,440 The Palestinian death toll at this point was more than 43,000 42 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,720 and rising, 43 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,000 in a war that had commenced a year earlier, 44 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,720 after Hamas gunmen attacked Israeli communities, 45 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:47,000 killing more than 1,000 and taking hundreds more hostage. 46 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,240 UPBEAT MUSIC 47 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,160 Now, with bombs falling nearby, 48 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,840 settlers from across the West Bank were holding a jamboree 49 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,960 to promote the idea of putting new Jewish outposts in Gaza, 50 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:13,840 with workshops offering practical advice, 51 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,360 while a vanguard made their case in front of the world's media. 52 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,438 How are you doing? Louis. 53 00:03:19,521 --> 00:03:21,440 Nice to meet you. - What's your name? - Orit. 54 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,720 - Orit. And why are you here today? - To show support 55 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:28,240 and that I believe that Gaza's ours and that we need to be living there. 56 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,080 To those Palestinians who'd say, "Well, we'd like to live 57 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,920 "in a Palestinian state," what do you say? 58 00:03:33,920 --> 00:03:38,560 The Bible says this place was given to the Jews. This place is ours. 59 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:40,440 - Ours meaning? - It's a Jewish state. 60 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,200 - What's your name? - Aaron. - Aaron. Nice to meet you. Louis. 61 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,880 - Where are you from? - I'm from Hebron. - And before that? 62 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Until I was nine years old, lived in New York 63 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:55,920 and then my parents made Aliyah to Israel. 64 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,200 We're here to call our government to go and settle Gaza. 65 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:00,960 We're here because we have a right to be here. 66 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,480 Our right to be in this land is the Torah, is the godly promise. 67 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,640 Where we don't settle, terror grows. 68 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,000 Among the attendees were many senior political figures, 69 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,480 including Israel's Minister of National Security. 70 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,480 APPLAUSE 71 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,400 CHEERING 72 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,960 CHANTING 73 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,040 In his youth, Itamar Ben-Gvir 74 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,280 had been convicted of incitement of racism. 75 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:47,360 He is himself a settler. 76 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,880 But in a sign of the changing times, 77 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,840 he now sits in the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. 78 00:04:56,080 --> 00:05:00,000 Presiding over the event was the godmother of the settler movement, 79 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,040 Daniella Weiss. 80 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,200 Daniella, this is your event, isn't it? 81 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,680 - Tell me about what this is. - No, no, no, not now, not now, not now. 82 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,520 - Ten words. - No, no, no. Not... 83 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,120 Not now, not now... 84 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,120 SHE CHUCKLES 85 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:17,240 We, the settlement movement, 86 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:20,520 organised this event 87 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,680 in order to enhance 88 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,680 the practical idea 89 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,080 of establishing 90 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:35,280 Jewish settlements in the entire Gaza Strip. 91 00:05:35,280 --> 00:05:39,320 We very much encourage and enable 92 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,640 the population in Gaza 93 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:43,880 to go to other countries. 94 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:48,000 You will witness how Jews go to Gaza 95 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,920 and Arabs disappear from Gaza. 96 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:56,560 They lost the right to stay in this holy place, 97 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,400 please God. Thank you very much. 98 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,880 APPLAUSE 99 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,680 CHANTING AND WHISTLING 100 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,920 From up on a nearby hill, there came the sound of protesting. 101 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,080 An Israeli group demonstrating for a ceasefire 102 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,360 and the return of hostages taken by Hamas. 103 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:22,600 What are you doing here? 104 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:27,080 I think the idea of resettling Gaza is absolutely ridiculous. 105 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,520 The question is what kind of country do we want to be? 106 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:33,680 Do we want to be a colonising country, 107 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:37,760 or do we want to be a country that at least offers peace 108 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,080 and wants to live in peace with the Palestinians? 109 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,440 That has to be what we strive for. 110 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,720 I'd been hoping for a moment with Daniella, 111 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,440 but then came a warning of a possible rocket attack 112 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,240 and the event was quickly evacuated. 113 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:58,360 Let's grab the cameras and let's go. 114 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:16,840 For Jewish settlers, Gaza is the latest frontier 115 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,560 in a process that's been unfolding for decades across the West Bank. 116 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:26,120 A region of not much more than 5,000 square kilometres, 117 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:31,160 the West Bank is home to around three million Palestinians, 118 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,560 most of them living in large cities 119 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,560 with limited autonomy under the Palestinian Authority. 120 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:44,320 The Israeli military occupied the area in the Six-Day War in 1967. 121 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:47,560 Since then, hundreds of thousands of Israelis 122 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,240 have moved in to form settlements... 123 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,520 ..hoping to expand Jewish presence in the region, 124 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:57,280 or simply looking for cheap housing. 125 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:02,480 Often, they start out as a few tents or caravans, 126 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:05,880 pitched by ultra ideological settlers on hilltops 127 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,080 next to Palestinian towns. 128 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,040 These are known as outposts. 129 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,480 They are illegal under Israeli law 130 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,720 until they are authorised as settlements. 131 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:22,520 But both settlements and outposts are illegal under international law. 132 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,280 The army, nevertheless, protects them. 133 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,440 Hello. How are you? 134 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,040 - Everything's great. Where are you from? - London, England. - Oh, nice. 135 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,280 - Where are you from? - Russia. - Russia! 136 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,560 Most settlements tend to be suspicious of media. 137 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:43,760 But I'd managed to get an appointment at one, called Evyatar. 138 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,520 It had started out as on outpost 139 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:49,000 on the edge of the Palestinian town of Beita. 140 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,240 It was only recognised as a settlement by the Israeli state 141 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,000 a few months earlier. 142 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,160 - Hi, there. Good morning. - Good morning. How are you? 143 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,640 - I'm fine. How are you doing? - You must be Malkiel. - Yes, I am. 144 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:00,680 - I'm Louis. How do you do? - I'm fine, thank you. 145 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:03,600 - Thank you for having us. - Thank you for coming. 146 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:09,000 One of its founders is horse-wrangler Malkiel Bar Hai. 147 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,360 All right, so let me show you a bit about Evyatar. 148 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,960 Um, I'm just going to have to ask you not to take any films 149 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,400 of the army base. That's where they're sitting. 150 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,000 - So there's an army base there? - This is an army base. 151 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,560 That's where the dormitories are. 152 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:24,278 Really? 153 00:09:24,361 --> 00:09:26,600 And this is a house, there's people living here. 154 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,800 - The army base is for your security? - For all the region's security. 155 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,680 Uh, the story about Evyatar, this was a hilltop. 156 00:09:34,680 --> 00:09:37,760 We started from day one living in tents, 157 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,200 and by the end of the month, 158 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,800 we were 50 families living here in these houses. 159 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:45,440 All of these houses were built back then. 160 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:47,800 - Coming from where? - All over the country. 161 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,800 - Shall we go inside? - All right. 162 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,560 It is a little untidy. 163 00:09:53,560 --> 00:09:55,858 This is where you're living at the moment? 164 00:09:55,941 --> 00:09:56,680 Yes. 165 00:09:56,680 --> 00:09:59,320 This is our humble home. 166 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,720 This is our living room, our kitchen. 167 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,840 - Um... - How many children do you have? 168 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:09,640 Eight. Four boys and four girls. 169 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:12,800 - Wow. - Behind here we have another kids' room. 170 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,720 This is the girls' bedroom. 171 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,920 Two older girls, 13 and 11. They sleep here. 172 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,920 And over there, this is the laundry, bathroom and a shower. 173 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,560 So where do you stay? Mum and Dad. 174 00:10:27,560 --> 00:10:30,920 - This is me and my wife. - You and your wife are in there. 175 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,058 If it rains? 176 00:10:32,141 --> 00:10:35,640 Yeah, if it does rain, so we go into the small caravan. 177 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:41,120 Hopefully we'll finish building the house before winter's here. 178 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,400 Do you enjoy being out on the frontier 179 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:45,200 where it's a bit more rough and ready? 180 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,920 Where there's more uncertainty? 181 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,440 Our mission is to settle Israel, 182 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:55,520 new settlements all over the country. 183 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,680 So most of the world sees this as the West Bank, 184 00:10:58,680 --> 00:11:02,440 as occupied territory. It's under a military occupation. 185 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:05,200 Correct? Like, it's not part of the state of Israel, 186 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:07,440 as most nations recognise it. 187 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:12,040 The ancient name of this area is called Judea. 188 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:16,600 The meaning of Judea is it belongs to the Jews. 189 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:20,000 - Mm-hm. - So you can't take all the history, 190 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,840 put it in the garbage and say, "OK, it's not belong to the Jews." 191 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,680 The history said it belonged to the... To Israel. 192 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,960 With a selective reading of history that ignores the Palestinians 193 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,800 who have lived on the land for generations, 194 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,880 the aim for settlements like Evyatar is to become full-fledged towns, 195 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,720 guarded round the clock by soldiers, 196 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,280 walled off from the millions around them. 197 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,200 The godmother of the settler project, 198 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,840 going back more than 50 years, 199 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:04,000 is the woman I'd seen at the Gaza border event, Daniella Weiss. 200 00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:06,240 {\an8}I want to see big cities here, 201 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,480 {\an8}like a city of two million people. 202 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,280 {\an8}So, it's not a settlement. A settlement is caravans, 203 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,240 {\an8}it's trailers, it's a home here and a home there. 204 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,600 This is not what my dream is about. 205 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,200 The trailers in that video of Daniella 206 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:26,000 have now grown into the settlement of Kedumim, where she still lives. 207 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:33,480 Hi. 208 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:34,920 UNTRANSLATED RESPONSE 209 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,480 Supported by some in the Israeli government, 210 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:43,720 Daniella's viewed by others in power as a dangerous extremist. 211 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,200 She'd agreed to talk to me at home. 212 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,320 - Shalom, shalom. - Nice to see you. 213 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,280 So we've got pictures of you as a young woman. 214 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,080 Is the one of you getting married, is that the oldest one? 215 00:12:57,080 --> 00:12:59,760 This is when we got together. 216 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:03,080 I was then 15 or something. 217 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:05,480 Your parents were from...? 218 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,880 My mother was born in Warsaw. 219 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:13,600 My parents came here and invested fortunes, 220 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:17,308 believing that some day there will be a Jewish state. 221 00:13:17,391 --> 00:13:18,600 Mm-hm. 222 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,320 With their vision and their faith, 223 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:26,400 I continue to expand the Israel 224 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:30,880 and to be as close as possible to the Promised Land. 225 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,040 This is your map. 226 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:38,000 So this is what most of the world knows as the West Bank, 227 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:39,920 which you call Judea and Samaria. 228 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:43,280 This is what you call occupied West Bank. 229 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:45,000 And what the Palestinians would like to see 230 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:48,400 is a future state of their own. 231 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:53,480 No, they are not satisfied with this. But complicated issue. 232 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:57,000 These little pink wedges, what do they represent? 233 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,440 The Jewish communities 234 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,840 that were established since 1967. 235 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:10,360 I'm curious to know roughly how many settlements and outposts 236 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,960 you've been, let's say, in some way involved in the establishment of? 237 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:15,480 Almost every one. 238 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:17,320 - For real? - It's 50 years. - Mm-hm. 239 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:21,600 You know what it means? 50 years that I do what I do today. 240 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,360 Because it's territory that was won in the '67 war, 241 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:28,000 under the Geneva Convention, transferring a civilian population 242 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:32,600 into a conquered terrain, that's considered a war crime. 243 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,200 What I do here is a war crime? 244 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:39,000 - According to the UN. - And you're cooperating 245 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,000 with the person who committed war crimes? 246 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,640 Well, I'm interviewing you. 247 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:45,680 SHE LAUGHS 248 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:50,840 It's a light felony. 249 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,200 I'd read a couple of things suggesting that you were viewed 250 00:14:53,200 --> 00:14:57,080 as an extremist and possibly sympathising with Jewish 251 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:02,760 - or Israeli terror. - The confrontation is not over terror. 252 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:08,560 The confrontation is just on whether, yes or no... 253 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,640 - ..we stay here. - There's a quote. 254 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,280 "So alarming is the situation." 255 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,680 It's talking about the situation of settlers 256 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,960 and what they describe as settler extremism and violence. 257 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,080 "Last week Ronen Bar, the head of Israel's security service, 258 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:23,840 "wrote to Netanyahu, the Prime Minister, 259 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,560 "and the Defence Minister warning that what he called Jewish terror 260 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,360 "by violent settlers was doing indescribable damage to Israel." 261 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,400 The reason Ronen Bar says that I'm extremist 262 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,840 has nothing to do with terror. 263 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:41,040 Whatever I represent 264 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,840 threatens his peaceful, 265 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:46,600 secular life. 266 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:48,200 I have nothing to do with terror. 267 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:50,960 He knows I have nothing to do with terror, 268 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,000 and he insists on saying it. 269 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,560 It's a lie. 270 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,280 And he knows that it's a lie. 271 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,160 - Does that really explain... - He doesn't like me! - Mm-hm. 272 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,160 Because I have a lot of influence. Much more than he has. 273 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,760 Influence over who? 274 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,000 The young generation that is growing in Israel. 275 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,520 - And government, too? - And government what? 276 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:14,080 - Do you have influence over government? - No question. 277 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,880 Who did all this? 278 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,880 Can you call Netanyahu? 279 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:21,120 SHE CHUCKLES 280 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:23,160 What do you mean? Like this? 281 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:25,520 - Mm-hm. - No, I call his aides. 282 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,680 So the idea is to force the government 283 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,680 by putting people, it starts with small settlements, 284 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,480 then they get bigger, then they get recognised by the state of Israel 285 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,840 and basically creating a new demographic reality. 286 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:41,600 We do not force a government. 287 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:46,880 We do for governments what they cannot do for themselves. 288 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,560 Um, even if you take Netanyahu now, 289 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:56,120 he is very happy with what we do here and also about our plans 290 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,000 to build Jewish communities in Gaza. 291 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,200 He is happy about it, but he cannot say it. 292 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,520 He says the opposite. 293 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:07,120 "It's not realistic." 294 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:09,000 Good! 295 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,280 We will make it realistic. 296 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,560 It's not forcing the government. 297 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,240 It's helping the government. 298 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:19,800 It's step number one in politics. 299 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,760 You don't force the government. 300 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,480 You give the government the courage, the ability, the public support, 301 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:28,120 the political support. 302 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:34,560 I think you understand what I said, even if you disagree. 303 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,160 There was something unsettling 304 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,960 about hearing Daniella's ethno-nationalist vision 305 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,360 being laid out so plainly, especially when I considered 306 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:51,720 the support she claimed to have from some in power. 307 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:57,680 With their backing, 308 00:17:57,680 --> 00:17:59,920 the settlement project has accelerated, 309 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,240 with many of those going to live in West Bank settlements 310 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,280 coming from other countries. 311 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,680 Anyone from anywhere in the world with Jewish heritage, 312 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,040 since they qualify for Israeli citizenship, 313 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,840 can live in a settlement. 314 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:16,800 Have you ever been to Judea? 315 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,440 Well, consider this an invitation, because I could try to describe it 316 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,680 to you in words, but it would just be impossible. 317 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,720 Ari Abramowitz was born and raised in Texas. 318 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,960 He now helps run Arugot Farm, 319 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,200 a small retreat hosting birthdays, weddings and corporate events, 320 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,400 often catering to tourists. 321 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,560 The farm was established as an outpost in 2014 - 322 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,600 illegally, according to international law - 323 00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:51,000 on land deep inside the occupied West Bank. 324 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:53,880 Hi. 325 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,400 We're going to Arugot Farm. 326 00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:58,520 Thank you. 327 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,200 HORN TOOTS 328 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,360 HORN TOOTS AGAIN 329 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:06,040 - Are you Ari? - I am. - There you are. 330 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:08,480 How are you doing? Good to meet you. Welcome, welcome. 331 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,960 - Nice to meet you. - You as well. - Louis. Louis. - Louis? - Yes. 332 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:15,200 - Lewis, Louis. Louis. - Yes. Or Lewis. I don't mind too much. 333 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,960 - Welcome to Judea. - How are you doing? You've come armed. 334 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,120 - I d... - But we're so friendly. - I know how it looks. - I know. 335 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:22,440 I know, it's not true. 336 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,280 So this is our synagogue. 337 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,280 And I remember when I first came here, 338 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,960 I wanted to build my house here. And then I learned that, 339 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,920 according to Jewish law, you build the synagogue on the highest place, 340 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:44,000 which makes sense. 341 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,040 What, my home is going to be lording over the synagogue? 342 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,000 That wouldn't be right. 343 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,800 These are the Torah scrolls. 344 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:56,920 Is it weird to have your guns on in here? 345 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:04,040 No. My gun is here to protect the nation of Israel 346 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,280 from those that seek to harm us. 347 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:10,240 And during a service, would you typically wear them? 348 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,800 - Yes. - Is it that dangerous? 349 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:16,440 It is until it's not. 350 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:21,000 Thank God, never had any issues of infiltrations here. 351 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:26,000 And I think it's because they know that we're...ready for it. 352 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,480 How old were you when you came to Israel? 353 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,880 - I think I was 16. - When you moved here? 354 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,360 I came here after high school to study Torah. 355 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:36,320 It was supposed to be a few months. It's called the gap year programme. 356 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:36,948 Mm-hm. 357 00:20:37,031 --> 00:20:39,000 When you breathe the air, when you taste that, 358 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:44,120 when you feel mission and passion in life, 359 00:20:44,120 --> 00:20:46,320 you can't... You can't go back. 360 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:55,080 This is where I choose to come and pray 361 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,920 with the creator of heaven and earth. 362 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,080 I think this is the most beautiful place in the world, right here. 363 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,480 Where's the nearest Palestinian town? 364 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,480 I'm so uncomfortable using the word Palestinian 365 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,000 because I don't think that it exists. 366 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:10,960 You don't think they really exist? 367 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:15,000 I don't think that they exist as a real nation 368 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,520 with a real claim to this land. 369 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,200 - What are they, then? - They are... They're Arabs. 370 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,960 - With a connection to this land? - Yes, they have a connection to it. 371 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:27,720 It's nowhere near the depth and... 372 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,400 I mean, we were in this land planting vineyards 373 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,840 before Muhammad was in the third grade. 374 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,320 Is that a settlement there? 375 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,840 That is a Jewish settlement called Pnei Kedem. 376 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,600 - Pnei Kedem. - Which means facing the east. 377 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,160 "Face to the east." 378 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,911 Would that be considered legal under Israeli law? 379 00:21:44,994 --> 00:21:46,000 I don't know. 380 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,480 - You don't really care. - I don't, I don't care at all. 381 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,482 At all. I don't care at all. Um, I mean... 382 00:21:51,565 --> 00:21:52,720 Why don't you care? 383 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,680 This land here in the heart of Judea, 384 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:01,920 there's some things that transcend the whims of legislation, 385 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,960 and this is one of those things. 386 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:16,120 For millions of Palestinians up and down the West Bank, 387 00:22:16,120 --> 00:22:19,160 the presence of settlers makes life precarious. 388 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,000 They live under Israeli military law, 389 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,440 restricted from most Israeli roads, 390 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,480 subject to frequent run-ins with the authorities 391 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,960 and detention without trial, 392 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,840 in a legal system that is opaque and arbitrary. 393 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,840 Israel says the measures are necessary for security. 394 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:47,520 I was in the South Hebron Hills during the olive harvest, 395 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,920 a time when tensions run high, with Palestinians prevented 396 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,120 from getting to trees they say they've harvested for years. 397 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,800 How are you doing? 398 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,760 VOICEOVER: I was curious to see the interactions for myself. 399 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,480 I'd heard from an Israeli activist group, 400 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,920 they were trying to help a farmer named Isaac Jabereen. 401 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,360 Louis. Salam. What's happening here today? 402 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:51,200 The army arrived. 403 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,560 A nearby settlement had allegedly called them 404 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,360 to report the olive picking. 405 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,600 One of those on the scene was a long-time Israeli activist, 406 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,000 mathematician Kobi Snitz. 407 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,600 Kobi, do you know... Do you know what they're doing right now? 408 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,000 The army has said, "You got to leave in five minutes." 409 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:40,040 And now the landowner has to make a choice, uh, 410 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,160 if to try to insist on staying here and taking a risk. 411 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:48,520 They're liable to do anything. 412 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,440 They could arrest the Palestinians. They can arrest us. 413 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:52,760 Who knows what they might do? 414 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,520 Have you been arrested before? 415 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,960 Do you think he would have been arrested? 416 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,400 40% of all Palestinian men have been arrested, so probably. 417 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,040 Where are you from? 418 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:06,960 British television. 419 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,480 Passport. 420 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,840 Can I ask why you're taking my passport? 421 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,640 - I need to check. - Check what? 422 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,080 QUIETLY: Check what? 423 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,760 Nothing. They don't check nothing. They just want to scare us. 424 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,880 If he'd kept picking, he would have been arrested? 425 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,360 No, it's not to arrest. 426 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:37,640 It's just to evacuate the area. 427 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,480 Meaning what, though, if he says, "I'm not leaving"? 428 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,120 I'm grateful we didn't get to that part. 429 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:46,160 Because what would happen? 430 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,440 I actually don't... 431 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,248 As a soldier, you would have to, what, detain him? 432 00:25:53,331 --> 00:25:54,240 That's... 433 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:57,800 I rather not speaking it. 434 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,440 SCREAMING 435 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,120 Alongside their interactions with the army, 436 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:15,880 Palestinians throughout the West Bank 437 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,040 also suffer attacks by settlers. 438 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,960 INDISTINCT SHOUTING 439 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,400 These videos come from the South Hebron Hills, 440 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,520 where I'd seen the olive picking. 441 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,960 In the town of Tuwani, a settler was caught on camera 442 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,880 shooting and severely injuring a Palestinian man. 443 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,440 SCREAMING 444 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,240 The shooter had his gun licence revoked, but he was never arrested. 445 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,280 I'd heard of other similar incidents. 446 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:46,600 SCREAMING 447 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,080 In the same town of Tuwani, 448 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,120 I'd made contact with a 20-year-old Palestinian student 449 00:26:56,120 --> 00:26:59,200 and local activist named Mohammad Hureini. 450 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,600 He'd offered to take me to the top of the hill 451 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:07,160 to meet his neighbour who lives at a spot closest to a settlement. 452 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,720 Louis. Nice to meet you. 453 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,040 Thank you for having us. 454 00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,600 Musahb Rabaee's house still bears the scars 455 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,400 of what he says were settler attacks. 456 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,158 So there's bullets that have come through here? 457 00:27:30,241 --> 00:27:31,000 Yeah. 458 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,080 Where that bright light is? 459 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:49,480 So what is that? Is that an outpost or... What is that? 460 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,160 Is there anyone in there? 461 00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:53,200 VEHICLE APPROACHES Hang on, something's happening. 462 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,680 What is it? 463 00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:58,760 Are they coming in? 464 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,440 SOLDIERS SHOUT 465 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,080 That's a laser on the rifles. 466 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:29,840 What do we do? Just stay in here? 467 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,680 Matan, what do you think? 468 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,040 It's not safe at the moment. 469 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,520 There's obviously multiple guns pointing at us. 470 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,000 Let's wait. 471 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,000 What can we do? Can we call the police? 472 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,800 This doesn't worry you? 473 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,720 After more than an hour, the soldiers appeared to lose interest, 474 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,000 and the crew and I slipped away. 475 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:42,440 The violence committed by some settlers is often justified by them 476 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,000 as a response to violence they experience from Palestinians, 477 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,960 which is much less frequent. 478 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,000 Nevertheless, it's hard to disentangle it 479 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,080 from an ideology of the superiority of one group 480 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,680 and their rights over another, 481 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,200 promoted by leaders like Daniella Weiss. 482 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,800 Hiya, how are you? 483 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,080 Come in. 484 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,760 Hoping for more insight into her and her work, I was back. 485 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,040 I have a meeting, so... 486 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,680 - But do have a seat. - Thank you. 487 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,040 - So we'll just wait. - Great. 488 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,000 - OK. From now on, follow me... - OK. - ..if you want to know. 489 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,040 Are we leaving? 490 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,480 So we're going to meet you there? All right. 491 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,280 I was joining Daniella and some friends of hers 492 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:49,080 in a convoy heading towards Gaza. 493 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,040 Mission unclear. 494 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,320 Two hours later, we were 1km from the Gaza border 495 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,280 in the Israeli town of Sderot, 496 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,000 arriving at a yeshiva, a religious school, 497 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,040 where Daniella took part in an assembly 498 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,200 alongside two prominent rabbis. 499 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,320 What's happening next, Daniella? 500 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,160 Shall we follow you? We'll follow her. 501 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,320 Our next stop was a memorial for the victims of October 7th. 502 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,720 Sderot had seen heavy fighting during the Hamas attacks 503 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,040 and suffered many losses. 504 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,040 For some passersby, Daniella held a degree of celebrity status. 505 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,720 Then the settler convoy arrived at what seemed to be its destination. 506 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,560 A viewpoint overlooking the war zone. 507 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,960 Daniella had told me she'd signed up 800 families 508 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,360 who were ready to move into Gaza. 509 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,680 One of her team explained how it would work. 510 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,640 The idea seemed to be to get spiritual buy-in 511 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,800 from the two rabbis. 512 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,920 One of them was next to speak, Rabbi Dov Lior. 513 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,040 SINGING 514 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,960 As the day ended, we were following Daniella's car, 515 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,320 driving on what seemed to be army-controlled land, 516 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,880 approaching ever closer to the Gaza border. 517 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,520 You can see the destroyed houses. 518 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,520 It had previously been reported that Daniella had been illegally escorted 519 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,560 into Gaza by soldiers who supported her, 520 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,080 to recce locations for settlement. 521 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,040 Suddenly her vehicle broke away. 522 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,040 HORN BLARES 523 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,240 On this occasion, she was intercepted. 524 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,040 So, basically, she had a military escort 525 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:05,560 and then she just peeled away 526 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,458 and made a sprint for the border of Gaza? 527 00:35:08,541 --> 00:35:09,480 Yeah. 528 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,638 She's just tried to run away from the army, hasn't she? 529 00:35:13,721 --> 00:35:14,560 Yeah. 530 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:25,360 Did you try and make a dash for the Gaza border? 531 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,040 What was happening down there? 532 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,040 DANIELLA LAUGHS 533 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,760 I enjoyed it so much. 534 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,240 Our two jeeps were... Drew too much attention. 535 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:39,120 But what's the idea? Why do you want to go down to... 536 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,600 - I wanted to... - You wanted to enter Gaza? - No. 537 00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:45,160 What I wanted to do, 538 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,200 I wanted to show the rabbis 539 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,520 that Gaza 540 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:55,480 is not something beyond reach. 541 00:35:56,720 --> 00:36:00,440 Would you say October 7th made people more receptive 542 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,160 to your message and to your point of view? 543 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:04,600 No doubt. 544 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,200 The October 7th 545 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:10,680 naturally made people more receptive 546 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,320 to the idea of the great Israel. 547 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,360 But the next step, 548 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,480 Jewish settlements in Gaza, 549 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,000 is a very difficult step 550 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,600 that demands a lot of work. 551 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:28,040 You have to influence the leftists, the government, 552 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:35,400 the nations of the world, using the magic system, Zionism. 553 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,120 You redeem the land, 554 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,680 you establish communities, 555 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,240 you bring Jewish families. 556 00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:47,920 You live...live Jewish life. 557 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:52,600 And this will bring light instead of darkness. 558 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,200 And this is how the state of Israel was established. 559 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,040 And this is what we want to do in Gaza. 560 00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:05,680 This process of making the whole of the West Bank and Gaza Jewish, 561 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,120 do you feel like it's moving more quickly? 562 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,000 As far as Judea and Samaria is concerned, 563 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,840 so we want to move from one million to two million. 564 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,680 So this is the next step. 565 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,360 This is my vision. 566 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,360 Not so complicated. 567 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,520 Daniella's vision has been made possible by the Israeli occupation. 568 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,800 But it in turn has led to the creation 569 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,400 of a vast military infrastructure, 570 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,960 which impacts every aspect of Palestinian life. 571 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,840 Nowhere is it more evident than in Hebron. 572 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,320 Hebron is an ancient biblical city, 573 00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,960 home to some 200,000 Palestinians, 574 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,080 a place holy to three major religions. 575 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,120 - Hi, how are you? - Fine, thank you. Where you guys from? 576 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,600 We're from a British TV crew. 577 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,000 In 1968, the year after it was occupied by Israel, 578 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,400 a community of Jewish settlers moved in illegally. 579 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,360 They now number around 700, 580 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,520 existing in a cordon of military protection. 581 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,320 I visited in 2010, 582 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,880 when I'd spent time with a settler leader. 583 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,560 Now 14 years on, I was curious 584 00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:43,040 about life within the Palestinian community. 585 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,400 - I'm Louis. - Hi, Louis. Nice to meet you. Welcome. 586 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:46,880 Thank you for having us. 587 00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,640 Issa Amro, a Palestinian activist, 588 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,840 was born here in a settler-occupied area. 589 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,280 - You've got fences all around? - All around. 590 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,320 - Fences from here... - Yeah. 591 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,240 - Who lives on the other side? - Israeli settlers. 592 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,280 You've got army there. What are they doing? Have they come for a reason? 593 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,040 No. They come for intimidation. 594 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,480 How are you? 595 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,000 They're not speaking but I think what they would say is, 596 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,280 "Well, we're here to provide security for the settlers 597 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,000 "who live here, and want to live in peace, 598 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,280 "and experience animosity from the Palestinians." 599 00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:34,320 So they want to live in peace at the expense of my basic human rights. 600 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,600 I didn't choose to live in Hebron. I was born in Hebron. It's my land. 601 00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,680 - It's my homeland. - Mm-hm. - The settlers chose to come here, 602 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,480 and if it's not safe for them, 603 00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,280 why they continue building more and more settlements in my own city? 604 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,240 By international law, the settlements are illegal. 605 00:39:49,240 --> 00:39:52,320 They don't see us as equal human beings 606 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,920 who deserve the same rights they do. 607 00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,880 - Lead the way. - Yeah. 608 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:02,360 For nearly 20 years, Issa has been an advocate 609 00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,240 for nonviolent resistance against the occupation. 610 00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:09,400 He is one of around 30,000 Palestinians living inside 611 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:14,160 the high-security area of Hebron, the so-called sterile zone. 612 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:18,040 For them, just doing their shopping, going to work, or going to school 613 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,920 means passing through military checkpoints. 614 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,600 Let's see how it works. 615 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,840 - Hi. - Hi. - How are you guys doing? 616 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,680 - Good. How are you? - Fine. - Everything OK? 617 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:30,440 I need your passport, please. 618 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,320 All of you. OK? 619 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:36,120 - Uh, sure. What for? - Why? - Check. 620 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,875 Why? - Hi, Issa. How are you doing, mate? 621 00:40:37,958 --> 00:40:39,040 How you doing? - Hi. 622 00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,000 Why you cover your faces? 623 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,400 - Because of the cold. - No! 624 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,280 Come on, guys. Don't hide. 625 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,280 Only gangs hide their faces. 626 00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:51,000 You are a military. You should have your faces obvious to everybody. 627 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,400 - You know Issa? - He lives here. - Yes. - Yeah, he lives here. 628 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,320 He says it's making life very difficult 629 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,680 - to have the military presence here. - What are you doing here? 630 00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,743 What are you all doing here? 631 00:40:59,826 --> 00:41:01,640 What am I doing here? Making a documentary. 632 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,425 A documentary? - Yeah, for British television. 633 00:41:03,508 --> 00:41:04,360 Of what? Of what? 634 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,640 - About settlers in the West Bank. - Settlers in the West Bank? - Yes. 635 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,160 OK. And what do you tell to the television about the settlements? 636 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:15,400 It's not about what I'm telling them, it's about what I'm hearing 637 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,440 from the people who I speak to. Where do you live? 638 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,000 - I don't... I don't want to tell you. - OK. 639 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,800 I told you where I was staying. UNTRANSLATED 640 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,560 Say that again. 641 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:24,560 UNTRANSLATED 642 00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:26,560 What does that mean? 643 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,994 It's, "Enjoy from the trip in Hebron here." 644 00:41:29,077 --> 00:41:29,920 Thank you. 645 00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,960 Wish you all the best, guys. 646 00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:33,560 How is life here? Is it... 647 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,600 It's like... You're very well-armed. 648 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,400 Do you... Do you... 649 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,320 Is there a situation here that needs careful control? 650 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,760 - Of course. - What is it? Tell me about it. 651 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,160 What was he saying about Arabi? 652 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,280 No, he wanted to see if you're an Arab. 653 00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:56,200 He asked you if you speak Arabic. 654 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,040 - Hello, how are you doing? What's up? - Hey, how are you doing? 655 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,200 - I'm doing excellent. - American? - What do I look, Chinese? 656 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,120 Yeah. From Brooklyn? 657 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,688 You bet. Let me just pull over to the side. 658 00:42:07,771 --> 00:42:08,600 OK. 659 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,320 - Do you know him? - No, he doesn't live here. 660 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,440 You OK? 661 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,880 - Do you need help? Are you OK? - No. 662 00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,720 Are you stuck? Are you in a rut? 663 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:27,240 Why are you filming me? 664 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,200 SOLDIER SIGHS 665 00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,200 It's all good, don't worry, 666 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,400 we can't even see your face. Look, you're obscured. 667 00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,800 No-one can even see who you are. 668 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,960 - Don't worry. - I don't know what to do with you. 669 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,560 - I have work to do. - Get on with your work, you're fine. 670 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,800 You stay here in the check post and filming everything. 671 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,360 You can't do this here, OK? 672 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,240 - Come with me. - No, you can't do that. 673 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:46,728 Come with me. 674 00:42:46,811 --> 00:42:48,360 No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't touch me. 675 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:48,878 No violence. 676 00:42:48,961 --> 00:42:50,600 You just touched me. Don't touch me. - No violence. 677 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,000 - Listen to me. - Yeah, I'm listening. 678 00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,840 - Come, come. - No. 679 00:42:54,840 --> 00:43:00,200 - I'm from the military, OK? - Mm-hm. - IDF, Israel Defence Forces. 680 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:02,078 I'm above the police here in the West Bank. 681 00:43:02,161 --> 00:43:02,760 OK. 682 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,040 - I'm the highest responsibility of law. - OK. 683 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,120 We'll tell it like this, OK? 684 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:13,560 And as this man, IDF, I need to tell you, 685 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,480 - not staying here. - OK. We'll move along. That's fine. 686 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,480 OK. Leave. Leave this place. Leave this area, OK? 687 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,120 - Yeah, we'll move along. - Right now. Yalla. - Louis, let's go. 688 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,120 - OK. - Yalla. Let's go. 689 00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,840 - So who lives here? - Palestinian families. 690 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:34,080 - And where are they? - They are hiding behind their doors. 691 00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,280 What would stop these shops from being open? 692 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:42,240 It's closed by military orders 693 00:43:42,240 --> 00:43:46,080 and marked as closed shops. It's marked. 694 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,080 From this shop would be five families, at least, 695 00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,560 live and earn their living. 696 00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,440 Look, this is something new. 697 00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,280 This, not to hire Arab workers in Israel. 698 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:02,560 Two faces, the faces of an Arab and a face of a terrorist. 699 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,400 This is how they stereotype us. 700 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,480 Middle finger. 701 00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,000 - He gave you the middle finger? - Yes, to you, too. 702 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,640 - You think it was to me? - To you. - I think it was to you. - To you. 703 00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,320 To both of us. Because you deserve the middle finger 704 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,520 if you report about Palestinians. 705 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:27,800 UNTRANSLATED 706 00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,360 Wait, wait. ID, please. 707 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,840 For what reason? 708 00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,000 It's the policies. 709 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,080 Yes. 710 00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,080 That one? 711 00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,120 Why can't he... Why can't he be with us? 712 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,040 How come Palestinians can't come down here? 713 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,360 It seems ironic that that's the visitor's centre, right? 714 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:24,760 For tourists and whatnot? 715 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:29,880 And he can't actually visit in his own...in his own city. 716 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:37,720 You knew that was going to happen. 717 00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:42,160 No, it's new that they asked me to come back to here. 718 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,800 He told me that I'm allowed only to here. 719 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,240 So they expanded the closed area for me. 720 00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:49,800 What's it all about? 721 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,160 Taking more and more land. 722 00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:55,280 It's about fragmented life, restricted life for Palestinians. 723 00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,640 No quality life. 724 00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:58,760 You live with the basics, with the basics, 725 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,480 even with less than basics of a family need... 726 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,080 ..to make you leave. And they are doing well. 727 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,200 The majority of the houses are empty. 728 00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,520 Families are leaving. 729 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,000 You could flip it and say, well, if they really wanted 730 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:19,320 to occupy the whole of Hebron, or at least this area, 731 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,400 they could literally deport Palestinians. 732 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,040 They do it slowly. 733 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,760 But now, they are speeding up. 734 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:31,840 They want approval from their allies and their partners in the world. 735 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,240 Is it worth going through to see the other side? 736 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,920 - Yes, I can show you. - To see what it looks like? 737 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:51,520 This gives you a little flavour of what it was like in there before? 738 00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:56,520 Yes. The market was much more busy inside. 739 00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,520 It was our Oxford Street inside. 740 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:01,400 So busy, my father used to hold my arm not to lose me. 741 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,800 Not any more. It's closed completely. Restricted. 742 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:06,880 In order to get back in, we can't go through there now, 743 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,781 cos they've closed it. - It's closed now. 744 00:47:08,864 --> 00:47:10,280 So how do we get back in? 745 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,040 - You try from another checkpoint. - Mm-hm. 746 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,440 - Through here? - Yes. 747 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:26,240 Louis. 748 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:28,040 - Coming through? - Yes. - All right. 749 00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,160 OK, just a moment, just a moment. 750 00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,400 When it's green. With the green light, go in. 751 00:47:37,640 --> 00:47:39,480 This one, please. 752 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,400 So now we're on the other side of the area 753 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,120 - where you couldn't walk before, right? - Yes. 754 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,400 Where they stopped you from walking in front of the visitors' centre. 755 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,520 - But you need to get home. - Yes. - So what will you do? 756 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,520 I will go around again. 757 00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:55,640 I will go outside this checkpoint, 758 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:59,160 go around, to enter from another checkpoint, 759 00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:03,320 and wait till the checkpoint opens, to get into my house with my son. 760 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,080 You definitely can't come this way? 761 00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,080 - I can't come this way. - OK. 762 00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:11,240 - I can... - They won't let you through? - No, they will not. 763 00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:12,925 I'm not allowed. I was happy to meet you. 764 00:48:13,008 --> 00:48:13,960 Thank you so much. 765 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,440 - Bye-bye. - Take care. - Bye-bye. 766 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,840 On the drive back from Hebron, 767 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,960 I reflected on the separate lives lived by Israelis and Palestinians 768 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,680 and the unequal system of rights and justice. 769 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,240 We ran into a traffic jam, caused by a bomb scare. 770 00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,760 The road, the main artery in the West Bank, 771 00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,640 is one of the few shared by Israelis and Palestinians. 772 00:48:57,600 --> 00:49:00,160 For once, all were subject to delay. 773 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:08,360 It was a sobering experience visiting Hebron again. 774 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,360 Issa had told me he believed life was being made intolerable 775 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,960 for Palestinians deliberately 776 00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,920 to make them leave 777 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,040 and that the process was speeding up since October 7th. 778 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:25,000 And it was true that some settlers I'd met supported the deportation 779 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,480 of Palestinians who won't submit to Jewish authority. 780 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,640 One of them was Ari, a Texan, born and raised in Houston, 781 00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,000 now resident deep inside the occupied West Bank. 782 00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,078 Good to see you. 783 00:49:42,161 --> 00:49:45,120 Good to see you. How are you? - I'm all right. 784 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,600 - A little under the weather. - I'm sorry to hear that. 785 00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:49,960 Thank you for having us back. 786 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,040 Hoping to understand a little better, 787 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,560 I'd returned to see him again. 788 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,640 OK. We're ready for the coffee. 789 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,280 I really hope I do this right. 790 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,560 I never know if you wear those guns just for effect. 791 00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,280 I don't know what effect I'm looking for. 792 00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,800 Do I want to look more militant? 793 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,200 Yeah, no, I'm not wearing it just for effect. Do you want to sit down? 794 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,600 We've talked a lot about how you see the, uh... 795 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,760 the importance of Jewish presence 796 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,480 in what was termed the biblical land of Israel. 797 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,480 Are you saying that you see Israel 798 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,880 as playing a role for modelling a new kind of, 799 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,840 what, nationalism? Is that... Is that right? 800 00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,000 I think that all of what's happening in the world right now is leading us 801 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,920 as a nation to open our eyes to who we are. 802 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,240 We are the tip of the spear fighting the battles of America 803 00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:41,680 in defending 804 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,280 the entire Western world. 805 00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:45,920 And not just the Western world, 806 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,400 anyone who wants any semblance of liberty and freedom in their lives. 807 00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:53,520 Nevertheless, there are millions of people up and down the area, 808 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:57,680 uh, Arabs, Muslims, who aren't living free, right? 809 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,280 They're enclosed without the same rights, 810 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,240 without national self-determination 811 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,320 and, in many respects, feeling besieged. 812 00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,520 And I just wonder, do you see that? 813 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,760 I don't have tremendous compassion for a society that has 814 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:18,160 an unquenchable, genocidal, 815 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:21,640 theological bloodlust. It's like a death cult. 816 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,040 It seems to me there's a danger with that characterisation 817 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:26,560 of Palestinians. You define them as eliminationist 818 00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:30,040 and hateful and...and genocidal. 819 00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,680 - Yeah, I used the words death cult also. - As a death cult. 820 00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,040 Um... That that then permits you to almost create a mirror image 821 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,720 of that, that you say, "Well, if they want to do that to us, 822 00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:43,600 "then we need to do that to them." 823 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,560 I think that when you're living amongst people 824 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:51,320 who have perpetually proven, not only by word but by deed, 825 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,640 that they want your blood spilled in the streets, 826 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,280 that they want to murder your children, 827 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:58,200 that they want to slay all of you, kill all of you 828 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,480 in the most horrific genocidal way... 829 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,720 All of the polls showed after October 7th that these people 830 00:52:03,720 --> 00:52:06,320 who you continuously call the Palestinian people, 831 00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,320 that I reject the very premise 832 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:13,680 that they are actually a real nation for a lot of reasons. I mean... 833 00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,680 But the millions of people who have nothing to do with October 7th, 834 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,840 right? Who actually just would like to live free, full lives. 835 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:24,880 If that's really what they wanted, 836 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,760 they would have had it a long time ago. 837 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,000 They want to wipe Israel off the map. 838 00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,200 They want every last Jew dead. 839 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,920 - Because... - So what's the answer? 840 00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:36,000 The answer is for us to declare sovereignty 841 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,720 over all of Judea and Samaria, 842 00:52:38,720 --> 00:52:42,480 and all of the land of Israel, and Gaza. 843 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,800 And to settle Gaza and all of Judea and Samaria 844 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,880 with Jews in the land of Israel. 845 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,200 Did the question annoy you? 846 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:56,120 Annoy me? I just... I hear it so often. 847 00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:00,240 And it feels like it's being addressed again and again and again. 848 00:53:00,240 --> 00:53:03,480 Even if the entire world is pointing accusing fingers 849 00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:06,000 and gnashing their teeth in rage and anger, 850 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,360 we know the righteousness and the truth of our cause, 851 00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:10,000 even if we stand alone. 852 00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,240 That's what it means to be a Hebrew. That's what it means to be a Jew. 853 00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:16,080 If we know the truth of our cause, that's all we need. 854 00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,200 For Ari, it was clear that nothing is greater than the word of God. 855 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,840 And that word had led him to believe that it was the divine right 856 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:31,760 of the Jewish people to settle and rule this land. 857 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,200 - Good to see you. - See you later. 858 00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,400 God should bless and protect you. Amen. 859 00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:44,080 The Bible was, as he saw it, a land deed to the West Bank. 860 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,200 With an afternoon free, 861 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:55,000 I stopped for coffee in the Palestinian city of Nablus... 862 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:03,880 ..surrounded by the ancient architecture of the old city, 863 00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,840 and the undeniable fact of the hundreds of thousands of people 864 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:10,320 living there, and their aspirations for statehood. 865 00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,840 At the edge of the city, we were held up at one of the many 866 00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:20,000 checkpoints that control the people entering and leaving. 867 00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,080 Can you put the gun down? 868 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,320 - Where are you from? - From London. - London. 869 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,200 - You've been in the market? - Yes. 870 00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:33,680 You also? 871 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,160 - Yes. - Yes. 872 00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,320 - She work with you? - Yes. - She's American. 873 00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:38,680 Can you show me ID? 874 00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,200 Me? 875 00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,320 Everyone. 876 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:42,720 Yeah, sure. 877 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,200 It's very slow going. 878 00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,040 We're in there... in that queue for an hour or more. 879 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,560 What, uh... 880 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,720 How much time you going to stay in Israel? 881 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,720 Hang on, but I don't think we're in Israel. 882 00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:57,000 - Huh? - Are we in Israel? 883 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,800 - You're in Israel now. - Are we? - Yes. 884 00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,640 In the West Bank, no? 885 00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:08,200 In the north of the West Bank, 886 00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:11,000 I was heading back to the settlement of Evyatar, 887 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,400 where I'd been hosted by Malkiel, the horse-wrangler. 888 00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:19,240 Since my visit, I'd learned a little more about the settlement's 889 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:22,720 relations with its neighbouring Palestinian town of Beita. 890 00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,800 How Beita had been subject to settler attacks 891 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:32,120 and how it, in turn, had organised regular protests of the settlement. 892 00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:37,720 Demonstrators had been killed and others wounded during the clashes. 893 00:55:37,720 --> 00:55:38,840 SIREN WAILS 894 00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,640 One of the deaths of a Turkish-American volunteer, 895 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,040 Aysenur Ezgi Eygi, made headlines. 896 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,680 Now the settlement was holding a festival 897 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,480 to celebrate its recent recognition by the Israeli State. 898 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,200 MUSIC PLAYS 899 00:56:02,040 --> 00:56:03,600 Entertainments had been laid on 900 00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:06,280 and families from settlements from around the West Bank 901 00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:10,200 had converged for a day of music and activities. 902 00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:15,880 One of those speaking was Daniella. 903 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,360 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 904 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:53,560 How are you? 905 00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:56,560 - You want to go there? - Yeah, it's a bit quieter. 906 00:56:57,640 --> 00:57:01,120 As the festivities wound down, I had a moment to speak to Daniella 907 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,600 on a hilltop overlooking the Palestinian town of Beita. 908 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,920 So you've been talking about settling. 909 00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,720 You've talked about displacing, wanting the Palestinians to go, 910 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,640 you said, to Africa, to Canada, to England, 911 00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:15,160 - you don't care where. - Turkey. - Mm-hm. 912 00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:17,280 What would be wrong with either a two-state solution 913 00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:20,920 or a one-state solution where everyone had the same rights? 914 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:27,000 We want to have a Jewish state based on Jewish rules, 915 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,520 on Jewish values. 916 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,000 - It's not a relationship of neighbours. - Why not? 917 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,400 Cos we are two different nations. 918 00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,560 - Different. - I just wonder whether you feel, 919 00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:41,840 or you're aware that, um...you know, 920 00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,400 they're really suffering. And there's been settlers 921 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,440 rampaging through the area of the West Bank, 922 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,960 - so there's all this... - Agitation. 923 00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:54,280 - ..death. Tragedy. Right? - Tragedy. 924 00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,960 When a people is invaded, right? 925 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,040 And then put under a military occupation, 926 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:01,800 deprived of their rights, 927 00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:05,760 that anger seems to be an understandable response, 928 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,320 an appropriate response. 929 00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:10,640 There is no such thing as settler violence. 930 00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:14,560 Did I speak... I don't know if... I don't mind saying it again. 931 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:15,458 Mm-hm. 932 00:58:15,541 --> 00:58:18,320 And I don't mind... I will be glad to explain. 933 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,400 You don't believe it's real? There are videos. You can see them. 934 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,720 You see what? OK. 935 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:25,600 - Let's say... - Mm-hm. 936 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,920 - ..we have a camera here. - Yes. 937 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,760 - And I do this. - Yeah. 938 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,480 Do something. You don't mind what I did to you? 939 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,560 - You don't... - Well, I won't do that to you. 940 00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:38,960 - You won't do that. - No. 941 00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:42,000 And then the camera takes just part. 942 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:43,440 Mm-hm. 943 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:45,960 You don't have the full picture. 944 00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,200 Then I say you're violent. 945 00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:50,560 You're violent against a woman. 946 00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:56,360 This is exactly what is going on all the time with what you call, 947 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,760 - er... - Settler violence. - Settler violence. 948 00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:03,240 Settlers do not wake up in the morning, 949 00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:08,120 or do not go and wait for sundown to attack. 950 00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,760 No, no, no, no. 951 00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:15,000 Why should we wake up in the morning and think about violence? 952 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,000 Why? Our life is good! 953 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,880 Because you want the Palestinians to leave. 954 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,760 - No! No, no, no! - You've said so. 955 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,120 I said that what is on my mind all the time... 956 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:32,640 ..is how to bring more people to settle the land. 957 00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:36,800 This a new development by Jews. 958 00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,960 This is Yitzhar, this we can... 959 00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,240 Here we can develop. Here we cannot develop. 960 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:48,600 I never think in terms of... I know this is Beita. 961 00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:49,368 Mm-hm. 962 00:59:49,451 --> 00:59:51,840 I don't think in... I don't think about Beita. 963 00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,480 - Why not? - Because I think about, I am a Jew. 964 00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:59,040 - They're people. - I'm a settler. - They're people. - I'm a human being. 965 00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:04,080 - Yes, you are. And so are they. - So I do not think about this. 966 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,520 You're thinking about tribalism. Thinking of your own people 967 01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,360 to the exclusion... It would be understandable 968 01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,960 to think of your own people or your own children first. 969 01:00:10,960 --> 01:00:15,000 But to think about other people, other children not at all? 970 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,120 That seems sociopathic. 971 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:18,640 DANIELLA CHUCKLES 972 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:20,200 - I can, uh... - Doesn't it? 973 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,480 No, not at all. This is normal. 974 01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,640 To my children, I give everything 975 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:30,600 because I... The normal thing, normal thing for me 976 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:34,040 is to pray for my own people. 977 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,600 That's it. So now I continue. 978 01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:41,120 I hoped you'd push me back. 979 01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,920 And so I said goodbye to Daniella 980 01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:55,240 and her extreme ideology delivered with a smile. 981 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,200 14 years on from my first visit, 982 01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,000 with the horror of October 7th in the interim 983 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:10,280 and the ongoing devastation of Gaza, 984 01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,800 the settler dream shows no sign of abating... 985 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,600 ..along with the dislocation, displacement and death 986 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:21,000 that follows inevitably in its train. 987 01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:22,840 Advanced by ideologues, 988 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:24,880 backed up by those in power 989 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,320 and accountable only to God. 989 01:01:28,305 --> 01:02:28,752