"World White Hate" Das Netzwerk des rechtsextremen Terrors

1 00:00:05,520 --> 00:00:07,560 The threat from right-wing terrorists 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:09,360 is growing worldwide. 3 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:11,480 They spread propaganda, 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:13,640 lies and conspiracy theories online, 5 00:00:13,960 --> 00:00:15,720 they boast about attacks and inspire others 6 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:17,200 to copy them. 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:18,920 This creates a dangerous global network 8 00:00:19,240 --> 00:00:22,000 of far-right hatred. 9 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,360 Young men murder in the name of right-wing terror. 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:32,720 Although they often kill alone, 11 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:35,360 they are part of a global movement. 12 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:43,074 13 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,560 East Side is where I was born and raised. 14 00:01:08,960 --> 00:01:12,640 There are communities like Buffalo's East Side all over the country, 15 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,520 full of minorities that people don't invest in. 16 00:01:16,320 --> 00:01:20,040 Just... left to their own devices, basically. 17 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,080 We didn't have a grocery store in this neighbourhood 18 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,560 and Tops said, you know what, 19 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:28,080 we'll open a store. 20 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:33,840 My son worked there. 21 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,560 It was a beautiful Saturday, 22 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,160 I mean gorgeous in Buffalo. 23 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:42,160 He was only at work a couple hours. 24 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,800 Active shooter, three shots. 25 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:48,840 At least two head shots. 26 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:50,760 POLICE RADIO 14 MAY 2022 27 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:53,240 My phone rang. "Hey kid, what's up?" 28 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:56,760 There are still shots being fired. 29 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,000 He screamed. Zaire doesn't scream. 30 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,800 He's a big guy. He's a teddy bear. 31 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,520 He was screaming. And he said, 32 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,040 "Mum, mum, get here now, I got shot." 33 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:12,560 At least 10 people have been killed today 34 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,040 in a mass shooting at a supermarket in Buffalo. 35 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,920 We're told that suspect is an 18-year-old white male. 36 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:19,640 Hell yeah, 37 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,400 he shot a lot of people up in there. 38 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:23,760 Oh my God. 39 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,040 I thought the worst. I called my boss, 40 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,880 and I called the mayor. 41 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:30,440 I wanted to see my kid. 42 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:31,920 Hell yeah. 43 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,680 And they said, "You can go see him at the hospital." 44 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,120 He got shot in his neck, literally right there, 45 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,680 and the bullet exited right above his spine. 46 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,600 Zaire fell. 47 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:45,440 And then the terrorist shot 48 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:48,400 Mrs Pearl Young in the head. 49 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,800 And um, yeah, Zaire said, 50 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,040 "Her brains were all over me." 51 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:56,640 CUSTODY REVIEW PAYTON GENDRON 14 MAY 2022 52 00:02:56,840 --> 00:02:58,800 The suspect was yelling racial slurs 53 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,280 and had a racial slur written on his gun. 54 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:03,560 This is America. 55 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,920 America has a racism problem. 56 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,400 America has a white nationalist problem. 57 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,320 And no one's dealing with it. 58 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,440 Eighteen-year-old Payton Gendron 59 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:19,440 drove 350 kilometres to Buffalo, New York. 60 00:03:19,640 --> 00:03:21,560 He chose that target 61 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,000 because it was the city with the largest Black population 62 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:25,840 near him. 63 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:28,240 He had a tactical helmet on. 64 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,880 He had a camera that he was live streaming what he was doing. 65 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:38,400 Zaire's dad called me. "Have you been on Facebook?" 66 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,320 Someone tagged me in the video 67 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,280 of Zaire getting shot. 68 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:49,680 Why would any company 69 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:52,240 think that's OK? 70 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,280 How is that streaming all over the place? 71 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:56,720 I mean, it was everywhere. 72 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,840 Payton Gendron used the internet 73 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,200 to spread his ideology. 74 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,120 In his manifesto, he speculated 75 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:07,120 that whites were deliberately being replaced by migrants. 76 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,520 A white genocide was taking place. 77 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,440 You don't know a damn thing about Black people. 78 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,040 We're human. We like our kids to go to good schools. 79 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,920 We love our kids. 80 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,760 We never go in no neighbourhoods to take people out. 81 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,160 TRIAL OF PAYTON GENDRON 16 FEBRUARY 2023 82 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:34,600 SON OF A VICTIM OF TERRORISM 83 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:37,680 Our mother, she was born in Mississippi, 84 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,520 the bastion of bigotry and racism. 85 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:44,280 She was just unapologetically Black, 86 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:46,720 unapologetically proud. 87 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:50,840 She spent her whole life fighting against discrimination and racism 88 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,640 and was killed by a white supremacist. 89 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:58,160 In 2015, Dylan Rove 90 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,640 shot nine Black people in a church in Charleston. 91 00:05:00,840 --> 00:05:02,320 He was only 21 years old, 92 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,920 had been radicalised online. 93 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,640 The terrorists are often young, 94 00:05:06,840 --> 00:05:09,960 white, right-wing extremists. The victims, from minority groups. 95 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,680 EL PASO, 2019 23 DEAD 96 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,600 White supremacy is a cancer. 97 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,440 And it's metastasizing, it's growing, 98 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,080 unlike other times in our lives, these people are coming together. 99 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,920 And they've created a movement. 100 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:28,360 What's happening overseas, what's happening in America, 101 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,160 these things are not disjointed, 102 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:32,240 they are working collectively 103 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:33,760 to bring about this change. 104 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,000 GLOSSOP, GREAT BRITAIN 105 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:39,960 The Buffalo attacker, Payton Gendron, 106 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:42,880 was in close contact with another young man 107 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,400 who spread racist hatred from England. 108 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,720 The planned genocide of all European people 109 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:53,800 through ethnic replacement 110 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,240 is in its latter stages. 111 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,840 Glossop's a quiet, semi-rural countryside town, 112 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,800 we're not too far from Manchester. 113 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,760 It's a place where people get along, say hi to each other in the street. 114 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,120 Gendron's contact lived in Glossop. 115 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:18,280 A young man who, at the time of the attack 116 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,120 in Buffalo, was only 18 years old: 117 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,520 Daniel Harris. 118 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,360 By all accounts, when he was growing up, 119 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,000 him and his grandfather had a loving relationship. 120 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:31,440 Harris Senior, the grandfather, showed me upstairs 121 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,720 into Daniel's bedroom. 122 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,360 There were large canvases on the bed 123 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,000 where he'd try to replicate works by da Vinci 124 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:41,280 and then in one corner was his computer. 125 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,880 He spent all that time in his bedroom online 126 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,680 for up to 14 hours a day. 127 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:51,120 Daniel Harris wrote entire books 128 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,880 about the alleged supremacy of whites 129 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,320 and shared hate videos online. 130 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,240 Do you die on your knees a slave 131 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,360 or do you stand up and fight? 132 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,480 When he was seven, he was taken out of school, 133 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:08,640 which seems an extraordinarily young age 134 00:07:08,840 --> 00:07:11,360 to be homeschooled. He didn't have any real-life relationships 135 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,160 other than with his grandmother 136 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,520 and a distant relationship with his mother, 137 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,160 but online he had friends, he had this popularity. 138 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:20,600 Online he was somebody. 139 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,560 In the real world, he was a nobody. 140 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:29,480 The crimes of the invaders are sick and debauched. 141 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,720 It is therefore the individual responsibility 142 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,760 of every man of European heritage 143 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,240 who is wise of the Jewish question 144 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,520 to take action. 145 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,480 At one point, Gendron, who kills 10 people in Buffalo, 146 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,400 comments on one of Harris' videos, 147 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:48,280 "Thank you for your service" 148 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,760 which shows how much he admired what Harris was doing online. 149 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,040 Gendron's praising Harris' videos... 150 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,440 One about Brenton Tarrant, the man who slaughtered 151 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,320 a number of people in New Zealand, 152 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:05,040 in Harris' video, he calls him the Aussie saint. 153 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,080 LIVE STREAM ON FACEBOOK 15 MARCH 2019 154 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,480 Brenton Tarrant did the sort of first-person shooter that filmed it. 155 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,280 {\an5}He filmed it and was able to rapidly disseminate it 156 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:14,600 {\an5}alongside a 94-page 157 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,160 {\an5}manifesto called The Great Replacement. 158 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:19,680 He was able to codify it 159 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,040 and get thousands of people reading it 160 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,280 before the authorities even knew what was happening. 161 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,720 The terrorist killed 51 Muslims, 162 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,040 possessed by this idea 163 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:32,840 of "the great replacement". 164 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:34,800 What they're really afraid of 165 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,280 is not being replaced by us, 166 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:39,360 but them replacing us. 167 00:08:39,680 --> 00:08:41,920 They're afraid of having to live my life. 168 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,280 Without privilege, 169 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,920 without consideration, without equity, without equality. 170 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:49,840 They project their own fear. 171 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,040 At one point, Harris writes back to Gendron saying, 172 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:04,840 I can always add more to my manifesto, 173 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,640 but what's more important is going out and carrying out the action. 174 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,080 He doesn't in any way stop what Gendron is doing. 175 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,560 He seems to incite it further, 176 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,200 he seems to be enjoying it. 177 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:21,960 {\an5}Gendron, he also screenshotted 178 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,960 a video that Harris made and posted that to his Discord channel 179 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:27,840 very shortly before carrying out the attack. 180 00:09:28,160 --> 00:09:30,120 Our history is being erased 181 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:33,280 and replaced by cultural Marxist fiction 182 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:36,080 that teaches whites to hate their race. 183 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:39,320 - No! - Sorry. 184 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,520 In the hours afterwards, 185 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:44,600 Harris actually uploads a video 186 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,720 to an internet platform where he celebrates 187 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,640 the atrocity in Buffalo, so he references it directly. 188 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,600 The harsh reality is that white supremacy 189 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,600 has been an insidious cancer 190 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,160 on our society and nation 191 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,720 since its inception, cultivated and nurtured 192 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,480 by individuals and the government for centuries. 193 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,600 This is the history 194 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:15,800 that we have all inherited. 195 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,640 It has been passed down from generation to generation. 196 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:25,120 We must acknowledge that history, recognise it 197 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,440 and learn from it. 198 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,320 Or we are doomed to repeat it. 199 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:33,240 Shortly after the attack in Buffalo, 200 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:36,600 the British police struck in Glossop. 201 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,120 Within 48 hours of the attack, 202 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:45,360 half a dozen officers stormed 203 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:47,040 the grandfather's property in Glossop. 204 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:48,200 He was dragged outside, 205 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,360 he's barefoot and he's handcuffed. 206 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:53,800 The British police 207 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,400 already had Daniel Harris on their radar 208 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,000 while he was in contact with the murderer in the USA. 209 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,040 At this point, authorities have been monitoring his online activity 210 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,680 for, I think, about six or seven months. 211 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,960 From the ages of 15 to his arrest when he was 18, 212 00:11:12,680 --> 00:11:15,240 Harris had been monitored by a number of authorities 213 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,960 and ultimately, he wasn't stopped before it was too late. 214 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:21,600 He was very much the instigator rather than 215 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,120 someone who was following in the footsteps of others. 216 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,520 And he received a substantial prison sentence 217 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,000 for his age - 11.5 years. 218 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,240 In court, the public prosecutors were able to prove 219 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:34,280 that Harris' 220 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:36,600 propaganda videos had also influenced a second shooter 221 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:38,800 in the USA: 222 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,760 Anderson Lee Aldrich, 223 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,320 who shot five people 224 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:44,800 in a LGBT bar in Colorado Springs. 225 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,400 MURDER WEAPON FROM THE COLORADO SPRINGS ATTACK 226 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:49,400 So Harris' videos, 227 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,760 which had inspired Gendron, were looked at by Aldrich 228 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:55,880 before he carried out another shooting spree. 229 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:58,560 It just shows how poisonous the material was. 230 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:01,720 I did a terrible thing that day. 231 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,600 I shot and killed people because they were Black. 232 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,240 Looking back now, I can't believe I actually did it. 233 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,360 I believed what I read online and acted out of hate. 234 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:14,640 Really, it could only be a matter of time before the next 235 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:16,760 Daniel Harris surfaces. 236 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,640 We are at an inflection point. 237 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:21,880 This is a war, 238 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,640 and they've pulled out the guns. 239 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:26,000 They've taken the hoods off. 240 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:27,560 They walk around in the light of day now. 241 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:30,880 This isn't a mass of people together, 242 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,520 it's a mass of isolated individuals 243 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,400 over their computers saying, I can now project 244 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,800 this desire to go to war against my own society 245 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:41,000 into the great wide ether. 246 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:43,920 The person who is your best buddy online 247 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,200 can be next door to you or around the country. 248 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:50,160 We're no longer talking about a national problem. This is global. 249 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:53,600 Young right-wing terrorists 250 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,320 share their ideology worldwide 251 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,240 on every conceivable online platform, 252 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:00,760 without ever meeting in person. 253 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:02,600 Because far-right hatred can spread quickly 254 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,960 and without direct contact, 255 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:07,560 it has become a global threat. 256 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,800 There was a coup attempt in Germany by German right-wingers, 257 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,960 and I wonder how you put this into perspective 258 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:16,960 with the rise of right-wing ideology 259 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:18,720 in Europe and North America right now. 260 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,200 It has been demonstrated 261 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:23,880 that the biggest threat of terrorism 262 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,400 today in Western countries 263 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:28,640 comes from the extreme right, 264 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:30,800 neo-Nazism and white supremacy. 265 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,640 Since many young extremists communicate with each other 266 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:36,080 on public digital platforms, 267 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:38,360 their radicalisation can be tracked. 268 00:13:38,560 --> 00:13:39,880 Seven years ago, 269 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,520 I began looking at right-wing extremist movements. 270 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,800 When Islamic State was recruiting fighters 271 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:47,880 from all across Europe, 272 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,160 I realised how right-wing extremists 273 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,840 could exploit jihadist attacks. 274 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:57,640 MANCHESTER 2017 22 DEAD 275 00:13:57,840 --> 00:13:59,360 Oh my God. 276 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:01,720 Oh my God. 277 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:04,560 I reached the point 278 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,880 where I had this feeling that I couldn't understand 279 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:08,360 everything from the outside 280 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:11,200 and that I needed to actually get inside these movements 281 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,320 to better understand their tactics. 282 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,440 I created fake accounts 283 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:18,960 and was recruited, for example, 284 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:20,520 by the Identitarian movement 285 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,520 and was invited 286 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,800 to internal strategy meetings here in London. 287 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,800 Of course, I wasn't professionally trained 288 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,720 like some people in the security services. 289 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:34,360 That also meant that I had less help 290 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:36,480 or less support 291 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:38,520 and found myself in situations 292 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:40,640 where I was very afraid. 293 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,120 A British neo-Nazi with multiple previous convictions 294 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,200 threatened the researcher 295 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,080 live online. 296 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,200 Oh right now, I wanna wait here to speak to Julia. 297 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,360 No, Julia's not gonna come out until I say so. 298 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:53,520 Julia. 299 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,680 Hi. Do you mind if I ask how I'm a white supremacist? 300 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,960 I did not say that you are a white supremacist 301 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,480 at any - no, I did not say that. 302 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:02,920 You can read the exact... 303 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:05,360 After my identity was exposed, 304 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,640 I received thousands of messages, hate messages 305 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,840 and threats of violence. That's the price I paid 306 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:12,720 for this undercover research. 307 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,160 What's the matter? 308 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:15,280 What have you got to hide? 309 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,640 Come on, Julia. Let's go upstairs, Julia. 310 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:18,880 You're on camera. 311 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:20,640 Are you gonna let her... 312 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,760 I've repeatedly noticed 313 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,800 that radicalisation can sometimes happen 314 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,040 extremely quickly. 315 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,880 In some internal chat groups, 316 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:30,360 I watched minors 317 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:31,960 slide deeper and deeper 318 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,120 into this very playful subculture 319 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:37,000 and then become radicalised 320 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:38,600 in just a few weeks. 321 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,040 Terrorists in various countries, 322 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,640 some of them barely 13 years old, 323 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,160 being connected over the internet 324 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:49,800 also presents a new challenge 325 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,240 for intelligence services. 326 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,040 Today, we see 327 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,880 increasingly younger children 328 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,040 {\an5}with access to mobile phones, computers, 329 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,200 {\an5}to various social media. 330 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,440 {\an5}This access allows children 331 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,160 {\an5}to "drift away" into these 332 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:09,680 what we call "echo chambers". 333 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,000 For example, we have 10- and 11-year-olds 334 00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,720 who become radicalised online, 335 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:16,080 both in right-wing extremism 336 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:17,960 and in Islamist extremism. 337 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,800 And from a certain age, they're also capable 338 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,200 of carrying out violent attacks 339 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:24,800 and terror attacks. 340 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,000 You often see individuals merge completely 341 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:34,040 into their identity with the group, and they actually give up 342 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,480 their biological family 343 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,960 and then call each other "brother" 344 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,080 or even refer to each other as "family". 345 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,120 There are so many death threats, 346 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,280 threats of violence, hateful comments 347 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,240 and forum posts. 348 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,720 There are millions of people around the world 349 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:57,400 who share these radical ideas. 350 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,680 Of course, far fewer of them are really prepared to be violent, 351 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,440 but the number of potential attackers 352 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,480 has increased enormously 353 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:06,760 in recent years, 354 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:08,960 so much so that it is near impossible 355 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:12,320 to track down the people who actually pose a threat 356 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,080 to national security. 357 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:22,560 In the USA, 358 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,880 {\an5}the FBI deploys undercover agents 359 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:26,800 {\an5}to infiltrate and close down 360 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:28,880 {\an5}right-wing terror cells. 361 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,880 FORMER FBI AGENT 362 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,320 I was in law enforcement for 28 years. 363 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,400 I did 23 years in the FBI. 364 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:43,520 I was blessed to do a lot of undercover cases. 365 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,040 Things started shifting around the Charlottesville... 366 00:17:47,360 --> 00:17:50,720 I was seeing more opportunities to work white supremacy type cases. 367 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:53,120 It just started growing. 368 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,520 In Charlottesville in 2017, right-wing violent criminals 369 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,920 seriously injured numerous counter-protesters 370 00:17:58,120 --> 00:18:00,960 and killed a woman. 371 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,520 Benji came on our radar. 372 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,760 He was hanging out with some Ku Klux Klan, 373 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,640 and he just started scaring everybody. 374 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:08,200 He had hate in his heart. 375 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,040 He did tell me when he was naturalised into the Klan, 376 00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:16,040 which is a ceremony you get through where that 20 to 30-foot cross 377 00:18:16,360 --> 00:18:18,440 is set on fire, and now you're a Klan member. 378 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:21,720 He said, man, it just rocked his world. 379 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,160 It just felt godly to him. 380 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:26,640 Like a religious experience. 381 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:30,280 - White power! - White power! 382 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,880 And he really wanted to do something. 383 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:34,840 He wasn't an intimidating-looking guy, 384 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,680 looked like a little kid. If you would have saw a picture of 385 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:40,960 Dylann Roof before he killed anybody, 386 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:42,160 what would you have thought? 387 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:44,360 What if I showed you a picture of the Columbine kids 388 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,520 before that school massacre happened? What would you say? 389 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,160 I teach this and I've told this to the people I work with, 390 00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:54,120 I'm not gonna underestimate you 391 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,800 because dead is dead. 392 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,880 For years, a family in Boston 393 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,480 has been confronted with this question: 394 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,360 Can a teenager who is in danger 395 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,280 of suffocating on his hate be saved? 396 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:10,320 When I meet someone for the first time 397 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,640 and they ask about my, uh, siblings, 398 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,080 this is a very difficult thing to explain. 399 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:17,120 Sometimes I say I'm an only child 400 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,200 because that's the easy answer. 401 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,280 Sometimes I say I had a brother, but he passed away. 402 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:24,480 Some people ask how, 403 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,320 and then it gets more complicated. 404 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,920 When Tampa police arrived, Devon Arthurs admitted 405 00:19:31,120 --> 00:19:32,680 he killed his two roommates, 406 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,520 22-year-old Jeremy Himmelman and 18-year-old Andrew Oneschuk, 407 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,160 who he described as neo-Nazis. 408 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:45,240 Andrew was a really sweet kid. My mum taught him that, 409 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,160 you know, the Father, Son, Holy Spirit. He's like, 410 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,080 but what about the mother and the sister? 411 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:54,440 We grew up in the suburbs. We lived in a snow globe, 412 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:58,200 you know, Catholic school, largely white, if not entirely white. 413 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,160 Things were pretty normal until my dad got deployed in 2008, 414 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:04,920 and that's when my family's story 415 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,760 departed from that of people around me. 416 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,920 I was 13, Andrew would have been nine. 417 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:21,880 It's a tough time to be without your dad. 418 00:20:22,080 --> 00:20:25,760 And then he made 14 trips to Afghanistan after that. 419 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,720 So it didn't get any easier. 420 00:20:28,360 --> 00:20:29,960 We went from being a two-parent household 421 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,640 to really being a single-parent household. 422 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,840 This is when he started spending a lot of time online. 423 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,800 Everyone was on Facebook. 424 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:39,720 People were in Skype chat rooms, 425 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,880 kids were in all these things too because they weren't regulated. 426 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:46,360 Andrew's rhetoric started becoming very aggressive, 427 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,400 but it was always backed up by "It's just a joke. 428 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:50,640 It's just a joke. I'm only meming." 429 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:51,920 He would come home, 430 00:20:52,120 --> 00:20:54,400 he would disappear to his room and would just be on the computer, 431 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,120 come down to dinner - begrudgingly - and go back on the computer 432 00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,560 because there was no belonging in the physical world. 433 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,520 He started to really struggle in middle school, 434 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,640 he would eat lunch in the bathroom by himself, 435 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,760 and he started using the N-word, which was 436 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:12,880 not something I'd ever heard in person ever, 437 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:14,840 and I was really shocked by that. 438 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,960 Racism is part of daily life in the USA. 439 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,200 Kelvin Pierce's father is one of those 440 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,360 who laid the foundations for this. 441 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,520 William Pierce, author of The Turner Diaries. 442 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,840 A man many see as the intellect 443 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,960 behind the racist movement. 444 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:40,960 So, whenever my dad was gone, 445 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,320 I would sneak into his office 446 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:44,440 and I was fascinated by the things on his desk. 447 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,040 I mean, he had a bust of Adolf Hitler. 448 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,000 He used to play German war-marching songs 449 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:54,520 on the phonograph all the time. 450 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,760 The Jewish organisation has put out the story 451 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,400 that instead of being the writer of occasional novels 452 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,400 and former university professor, 453 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,880 I'm supposed to have an ambition to be a new Hitler. 454 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,600 He had a PhD in physics. While he was a professor 455 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,360 at Oregon State, he read about the Bolshevik Revolution. 456 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:17,160 Unfortunately, he picked up a copy of Mein Kampf. 457 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,280 As a kid in high school, I wrote a paper 458 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,200 for my history class on the virtues of Adolf Hitler 459 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,320 and that history was wrong about him. 460 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:32,360 And I did that to try to impress my dad. 461 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,480 His angry rhetoric about his beliefs 462 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,560 started coming out when he was in high school, 463 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,600 you know, "I'm a nationalist socialist." 464 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,880 He started spending time on YouTube 465 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:50,600 just researching World War II, and 466 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,800 then it was, "Wow, the SS was an elite fighting division", 467 00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:55,720 and from there, I think it led him on to these online forums 468 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,320 looking for friends 469 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,480 and then it was - join your local Nazis. 470 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,320 The coldness that I got from Andrew, that's the hardest part. 471 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,600 I was going into surgery in high school, I had an injury. 472 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,080 He stared straight at me and said, 473 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:12,800 "I hope you die on the table tomorrow." 474 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:18,400 The negative energy that consumed him 475 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,960 and by extension us 476 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:25,120 was unlike anything I've ever felt before. 477 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,680 It was incredibly powerful. 478 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,200 He wasn't doing well and that just took up 479 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,480 almost all of our family conversations for... 480 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,080 until the end of his life, honestly. 481 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,720 I want to talk to you about what has 482 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,880 happened to us and why 483 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,160 and what we must do about it. 484 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,760 Most people when they listen to my dad talk, 485 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,200 they think like, oh no, it wasn't hatred. 486 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,480 This, this was... this was love. 487 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,080 This was love for his people. 488 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,360 But that's not what I witnessed as a child growing up with him. 489 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,520 When he would see a Black person on TV, 490 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:14,400 he would make these really awful disgusting sounds. 491 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,080 If he witnessed an interracial couple walking on the street, 492 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,720 that would engender an incredible burning rage 493 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,640 that was inside of him. 494 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,560 It was hate, pure and simple. 495 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,080 Andrew might have never really interacted with a Black person. 496 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,920 I would sit there for like an hour to two hours and listen 497 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:37,640 and try and understand 498 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,160 why he thought that some races are just inferior. 499 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,560 There was no room for a discussion. 500 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,720 I would liken it to like a religious fervour. 501 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,600 It guided his every waking moment of his life. 502 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,280 I asked him, isn't it exhausting 503 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,400 being this angry? And he said, no, it, it feels good. 504 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,400 Around the same time, he was sitting alone in the house 505 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,520 and asked, "Mum, how do I make friends?" 506 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,600 When I was a kid, it's really hard to explain how 507 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:18,160 incredibly isolated and alone I was. 508 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,000 I just felt utterly worthless. 509 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,440 I literally had no friends. 510 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,400 So I spent a lot of time living inside my head. 511 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:33,320 And the very first question my dad asked my mum every single day 512 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,440 when he came home from his hate work was, 513 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:36,880 what did he do today? 514 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,840 He would say, "Midget, go to your room." 515 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:41,200 And then I had to go to my room and I'd have to wait 516 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,240 and he'd come into my room and say, "Remove all your clothes" 517 00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,200 and then he would proceed to wail away 518 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,840 at me with whatever caught his fancy on that day. 519 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:50,880 Sometimes it was an electric razor cord, 520 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,960 sometimes it was a wire coat hanger, 521 00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:54,800 and he would just wail away at me 522 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000 until he was satisfied and then he would leave. 523 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,040 So, there was always no way for him to control this rage and anger? 524 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:02,000 No, there was not. 525 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,720 I believe it was my sophomore year of college 526 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,520 and there was a swastika flag hanging up in his room. 527 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,960 Yeah, it made me feel like I was falling into a black hole. 528 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,680 I ripped it off the wall. I go to rip it in half, 529 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,120 and he grabs me and I push him off of me, 530 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,760 we start like fighting. 531 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,880 This is the only time I ever got physical with Andrew, 532 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,320 and he looks at me with these like dead eyes 533 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,680 like he was trying to stare through me and was like, 534 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,480 you don't respect my beliefs, you don't understand, 535 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:38,960 and he's right, I didn't respect his beliefs 536 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,360 and I didn't want to understand. I just wanted him to change, 537 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,200 and I started to cry. I was so angry 538 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,560 and so startled, but I was also so sad 539 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,800 because I couldn't reach him at all 540 00:26:49,120 --> 00:26:51,200 and I feel like I just isolated him further. 541 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,720 Today has been the day of the rope, 542 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,480 and at practically every street corner, 543 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,280 there was a dangling corpse. 544 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,720 The politicians, the lawyers, 545 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,680 the TV newscasters, 546 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,920 the newspaper reporters and editors, 547 00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:09,920 the judges, the teachers, 548 00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:13,880 all wearing identical placards around their necks. 549 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,720 "I betrayed my race." 550 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,160 His weapon was the pen. 551 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,800 It was about getting people to understand 552 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,680 what was going on with the white race as he believed it 553 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,880 and then to become angry enough about it to do something. 554 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,040 William Pierce's writing motivated 555 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,040 right-wing extremist terrorists. 556 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,680 Like David Copeland, 557 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,560 who detonated multiple nail bombs around London. 558 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,000 If you've read The Turner Diaries, 559 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,720 you know the year 2000, there'll be the uprising and all that, 560 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,600 racial violence on the streets. 561 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,480 In Kansas, a 73-year-old man 562 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,400 killed people he believed to be Jews. 563 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,400 He also cited William Pierce. 564 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,440 When he talked about a sniper roaming the streets of DC 565 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,640 and killing interracial couples, 566 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,040 those were direct reflections of my father's fantasies 567 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,240 of things that he wished he could do himself, 568 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,520 and he would talk about it at home. 569 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,160 You know, he has a violent mind for sure. 570 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,040 He did show me how to make a bomb. 571 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,720 We did actually make nitroglycerin in our dining room 572 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,040 with my mum standing out in the hallway 573 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,840 holding a fire extinguisher and sobbing, 574 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,560 begging him to stop, but he wouldn't. 575 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,280 Andrew asked to come stay with me for a little bit, 576 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,560 but what the asterisk to that was, was, 577 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,600 "Oh, I bought a TEC-9, can I store it at your house?" 578 00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:37,720 I was p*ssed, I was scared. 579 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,400 How can you be so stupid? 580 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,240 And he would go to the range with my dad 581 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,280 as that was one of the only things Andrew enjoyed. 582 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:46,560 So, when you have this kid that's so miserable 583 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:49,440 and the only thing he enjoys is something 584 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,280 that also brings great harm, obviously, 585 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,160 I think my mum and I had real fear of Andrew 586 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,280 because of his love of guns. 587 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,440 My dad loved weapons, 588 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,880 you know, he had lots of guns, and he taught me how to shoot. 589 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:09,960 I went shooting with him one time and 590 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,640 a few of the other people from the American Nazi Party, 591 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,200 and they hung posters of Black people. 592 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,000 He would be shooting these and he would say something like, 593 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,160 yeah, one dead jigaboo, two dead jigaboos. 594 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,160 I really believed what my dad said about non-whites, 595 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,520 that it was the Jews' mission in life 596 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,080 to bring down the white race 597 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,800 by mixing whites with non-whites. 598 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,640 And so, for me, it would have been about striking out 599 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,560 against this enemy. 600 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,920 I wonder what went through your head when you turned on the TV 601 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,840 and you saw something like Buffalo happening. 602 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,760 Uh... I could understand it. I could definitely understand it, 603 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,000 and I could understand what that person was thinking. 604 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,680 I would fantasise about going into Washington DC 605 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,440 and standing on a street corner with a machine gun 606 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,000 and mowing down Blacks. 607 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,280 I had fantasies like that all the time. 608 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,720 I would be like, oh yeah, Dad would love this. 609 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:17,360 Dad would be so proud of me if I do this. 610 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,120 I didn't have access to a machine gun - that's what I wanted to use, 611 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,560 so the opportunity really was never there. 612 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:31,960 A young radical hunting for weapons. 613 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:36,960 {\an8}This is where Scott Payne often came into play. 614 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:43,640 I was introduced to Benji as what I call a closer, somebody that's... 615 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,320 it's not a murder for hire per se, but 616 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,200 you needed a gun, I can get the gun. 617 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,080 If you need a bomb, I can get the bomb. 618 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,160 At the time, Dylann Roof was going on trial 619 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:56,960 for the murders he committed in Charleston, South Carolina. 620 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,080 Benji, he goes, I want to do something 621 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,480 in the style of Dylann Roof, but on a grander scale. 622 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,040 He even said, imagine if I killed all these people. 623 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:13,080 We're trying to find out - is he really planning on doing something? 624 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,960 He had already found a synagogue. 625 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,440 They were having like a family day on a Saturday. 626 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,960 He wanted to come over the hill and start mowing some b*tches down. 627 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,360 When I left the meeting with Benji, I went back to the case team 628 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,680 and I said, I think this guy is pretty serious. 629 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,400 A month goes by, he's still spewing hate. 630 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,400 He kept saying, I got the heart, I just don't know how to do it. 631 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:38,720 Benji, he'd already done time, 632 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,640 and if you're a convicted felon, you can't have a weapon. 633 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,400 He called me and said, hey, you mind supplying me a 40-caliber pistol? 634 00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,720 And I said, no problem, man. What do you want, a glock? 635 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,920 I gave him the gun that he had asked for. 636 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,800 I put as many rounds as he's wanted, 637 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,280 and that's when we arrested him. 638 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:57,080 Twenty-nine-year-old Benjamin McDowell 639 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,440 was arrested yesterday at a South Carolina motel 640 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,120 after allegedly trying to buy a gun 641 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:02,840 from an undercover agent. 642 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,000 I was driving back to my home station. 643 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,640 And the case team called me and he said 644 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:11,520 that he was glad that the FBI arrested him 645 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,760 because he was really gonna do something bad. 646 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,560 Someone walked right across here 9:30 Saturday night 647 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,360 and slapped a hateful flyer to the door of this PU building. 648 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,440 Many extremists can't be stopped - 649 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,520 including Emily's brother, Andrew. 650 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,400 At the age of 17, 651 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:33,920 he joined the right-wing terror group 652 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,400 Atomwaffen Division online. 653 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,160 They sticker and they put up posters on campuses, 654 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,080 but they didn't do anything real. 655 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,760 But it's his entire persona. 656 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,680 He had been kicked out of school because of it. 657 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,600 He went to two or three psychiatrists, 658 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,560 had a special like intervention team with a mentor. 659 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,040 He went on a NOLS trip to Alaska, it was like an 660 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:57,640 intensive wilderness therapy programme 661 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,000 where they come and take you in the middle of the night. 662 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:02,640 You know, we never gave up on him. 663 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,240 We did everything the best we could. 664 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,720 How do you help a kid who's so angry, 665 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:11,680 who, you know, doesn't feel at home in the world? 666 00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,840 Andrew made friends online 667 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,120 and eventually met them in real life. 668 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,560 They were united by their hatred of everything foreign. 669 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,240 We didn't know that he had met anyone online. 670 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,280 This whole sphere of his life was never in person 671 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,600 until those Trump rallies with Jeremy. 672 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:37,880 Nearly 180,000 illegal immigrants with criminal records 673 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,240 ordered deported from our country 674 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,840 are tonight roaming free 675 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,160 to threaten peaceful citizens. 676 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,440 But it gave Andrew legitimacy to his ideas. 677 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:00,320 Andrew and Jeremy wanted to move somewhere 678 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,720 specifically with relaxed gun laws 679 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,280 and ended up going to Florida as a last resort. 680 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,000 They can go to the range, 681 00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,440 so the videos I have of Andrew is him shooting with these guys. 682 00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,000 I think it was moving towards something serious. 683 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,600 Andrew lived with another neo-Nazi. 684 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,840 Their third flatmate was a radical Islamist. 685 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,080 It was a Sunday morning and I get a call from my dad. 686 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,000 He says something happened to Andrew, 687 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,160 he got shot. 688 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,720 I said, is he alive? And he said no. 689 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,840 And I... screamed really loud. 690 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:38,680 He had just turned 18. 691 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,920 My family and I flew down right after we got the news. 692 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:54,240 I had to work with the detective and the FBI. 693 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:59,080 I think Andrew and Jeremy probably pushed him to a point of snapping. 694 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,080 In hindsight, it's very stupid what I've done, 695 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,480 and honestly, it feels almost like 696 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,280 all of this feels very surreal, like a dream. 697 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,040 We were in the apartment, my dad and I. 698 00:35:11,240 --> 00:35:14,040 But it was this weird mix of like a neo-Nazi cell 699 00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:17,720 and then just like a bunch of dumb teenage boys living together 700 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:19,280 in like minor squalor. 701 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,280 SOURCE: FBI PHOTOS OF THE CRIME SCENE, 2017 702 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,800 There was Atomwaffen flags, 703 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,480 The Turner Diaries, boxes of literature. 704 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,760 They had guns, they had explosives. 705 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,600 I wouldn't have been surprised if he was on a wanted list, 706 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,200 but because his anger and violence was always directed outward 707 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,200 and because he was always alone in it, 708 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,760 I never envisioned it coming back at him. 709 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:57,400 There was this strange sense of relief when he died. 710 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,680 So, I was shocked that Andrew was shot, 711 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,520 but I would have been less surprised had he done the shooting, 712 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:10,480 which I think is... scarier. 713 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,560 In summer 2011, the world was left shaken 714 00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:18,600 by a terror attack in Norway. 715 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,200 It still motivates young attackers today. 716 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:24,480 The global and often digital wave of hate 717 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:26,400 started here. 718 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,840 {\an8}I became a member of the Labour Youth Party when I was 13 719 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,200 {\an8}because I thought it was interesting trying to also make sense of it all, 720 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,400 trying to see how politics worked. 721 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,680 {\an8}The summer camp consisted of hanging out with your friends, 722 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,600 {\an8}listening to debates. Most of the youths who were there 723 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,040 {\an8}were probably more interested in, I don't know, flirting. 724 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,440 It was the first time I was alone 725 00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:58,800 without any of my family there. 726 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,240 My parents trusted the older youth in my group to take care of me. 727 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,720 It was really good days, warm nights, warm days, 728 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,600 happiness. It was fun. And then the rain starts, 729 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,080 everything was muddy and the mood changed. 730 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:19,080 SURVEILLANCE CAMERA OSLO, 22 JULY 2011 731 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,040 The then 32-year-old right-wing extremist 732 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:22,760 Anders Breivik 733 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,880 planted a car bomb in Oslo's government quarter. 734 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,840 We were all asked to gather in this one room, 735 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,600 then the message came that there had been an explosion in Oslo. 736 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,080 Breivik then drove to the camp on the island of Utøya. 737 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,440 I remember talking to my friends and then... 738 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:53,000 some explosion sounds started happening. 739 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,280 It was so loud, I had never heard anything like that in my life. 740 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,160 He came over and he started shooting down 741 00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:03,240 on some young people in front of the cafe building. 742 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:04,440 Everyone started running. 743 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,760 I just felt my feet moving, 744 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,080 and when I finally get out of the tent area, 745 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,000 I fall in the mud, 746 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:15,000 and then I see a bullet going over my head. 747 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,880 So, I just saw it hitting the mud and... 748 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,160 just, it was kind of like splashing up. 749 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,000 That's the moment I realised that someone's actually shooting at us, 750 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,560 this is not like a drill, 751 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,160 it's real, someone is trying to kill us right now. 752 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,160 I got on my feet and started running into the forest. 753 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,960 I have no idea where I'm going. 754 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,400 Then I get onto the path that goes around the island, 755 00:38:37,720 --> 00:38:39,840 a group of people sitting sort of in a line, 756 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,520 and in front of that line, there is a hole in a fence 757 00:38:43,720 --> 00:38:47,200 and then we just started crawling, trying to squeeze under this rock, 758 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,440 but the people who were late, there wasn't room for them. 759 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,000 I just laid outside of the rock 760 00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,960 and then I realised I'm completely visible 761 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:00,880 from the path, no cover at all. 762 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,000 At that point, he started getting closer 763 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,800 to us. We could hear him because he was shooting some people. 764 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,840 I'm trying to get down. 765 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,920 Then he comes over and he starts shooting down at us. 766 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,520 I got shot in the shoulder here 767 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,840 and I guess just pushed forward, I basically fly, 768 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:27,280 I feel like, and fall down and touch my shoulder and 769 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,800 just looked at my hand, and it was all red and I realised that 770 00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,440 this has actually happened, I'm actually shot right now. 771 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,880 I was 100% certain that now I'm dead. 772 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,520 And then I get shot in the stomach, like in the middle of the stomach, 773 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,480 and then I get shot in both my legs. 774 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:52,400 You know, I'm shot four times, this is not gonna go well for me. 775 00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,440 He walked around and shot people who were maybe not dead. 776 00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,440 I've carried out an operation 777 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,200 in the name of the Knights Templar. 778 00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,080 OK... 779 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,080 In Europe and Norway. 780 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,120 Since the mission is complete, 781 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,760 it is justifiable to surrender to Delta. 782 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:26,600 I think I had about 15 minutes left 783 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,160 with blood. They were just in time for me. 784 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,840 Two policemen are carrying me to a boat 785 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:34,200 with some other survivors, some shot, 786 00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,760 and that is the last I remember before waking up at the hospital 787 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:39,640 two weeks later. 788 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,800 Breivik killed a total of 77 people, 789 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,200 69 of them on Utöya. 790 00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:50,240 After a couple of weeks, they rolled me down in my wheelchair 791 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,120 to the kiosk at the hospital. 792 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:54,480 He was on all of the newspapers. 793 00:40:58,200 --> 00:40:59,520 The trial was really big. 794 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:01,720 I was kind of overwhelmed with the amount 795 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:03,760 of people I felt were in there. 796 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,400 I looked at him almost the whole time, I think. 797 00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,400 And he didn't meet my gaze. 798 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,200 I thought that was a cowardly move. 799 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,520 At least you can look the girl you shot in the back, basically, 800 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,920 in the eye while she's talking about what you did to her. 801 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,520 Mr Breivik, you wanted to speak. 802 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,120 I do not recognise the Norwegian court. You've gotten 803 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,280 your mandate from political parties 804 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,360 who support multiculturalism. 805 00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,760 I don't think we spoke enough 806 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:44,680 about why exactly was the Labour Youth being attacked. 807 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,000 The reason for people not paying attention that much 808 00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,480 to his political views in court 809 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,640 was because everyone just labelled him 810 00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,560 crazy. It didn't make sense. 811 00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:57,760 He had a completely different worldview than us, 812 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,440 so they didn't wanna listen to him. 813 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,680 You can't put it all on being crazy 814 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,280 {\an8}and then you have to be confronted with saying, OK, 815 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,680 {\an8}so he has political opinions. 816 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,440 {\an8}The fact that he attacked the Labour Party is also 817 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,640 {\an8}something that I think made it hard for people to understand 818 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,760 the hate towards Muslims that he feels. 819 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,400 I acknowledge the acts, but I do not plead guilty, 820 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,440 and I claim that I was doing it in self-defence. 821 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,480 That's why he targeted the Labour Party 822 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,360 because he believed that they were responsible 823 00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,560 for the immigration to Norway. 824 00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,480 He believed that he sacrificed himself 825 00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,240 because he had to save Norway. 826 00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,280 22nd of July happened, Norway as a nation 827 00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,360 were in grief, they were in shock 828 00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,480 that this happened from one of our own 829 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,000 with white skin, blue eyes. 830 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,480 It took a bit a while before 831 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,480 the society in Norway were able to talk 832 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,360 about the political aspects of this terror attack. 833 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,440 All the attention was on that side of coming back 834 00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,800 and showing resilience, showing unity in the pain. 835 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,120 We showed love against hate. 836 00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:14,400 We forgot to talk about the ideology behind it 837 00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:15,840 and why he actually did it. 838 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,000 It left a vacuum there for 839 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,960 people who eventually became inspired by Breivik to grow. 840 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,080 We know that others share his ideology 841 00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,760 and it evolves. They inspire each other. 842 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,640 You can ask yourself how can Breivik inspire 843 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:35,640 a guy on the other side of the Earth, 844 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,200 in New Zealand, to commit a terrorist attack like this, 845 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,560 and he again also inspired another guy in Norway. 846 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,080 In 2019, Philip Manshaus killed his sister 847 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,480 and then attacked the Al Noor mosque 848 00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:53,960 in Bærum, very close to Oslo. 849 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,320 All of these three people had their names on a gun 850 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,280 which was used in the Buffalo terrorist attack. 851 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,680 Breivik spent many years planning this attack 852 00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,400 while Philip Manshaus was radicalised 853 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,200 unfortunately in a very, very short time. 854 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,080 As time has moved on, 855 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,800 the radicalisation process has also become a lot quicker. 856 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,640 We've seen at least 10 terrorist attacks 857 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,480 who have very specifically cited Breivik. 858 00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,960 The people that I think are ignoring the problem 859 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,000 are the big tech companies. 860 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:35,000 It took us five seconds to look at prescribed terrorist material here. 861 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,000 All it takes is typing in "Breivik in 2083" 862 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:39,880 into a Google search engine, 863 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,000 but it is literally three clicks away. 864 00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,720 {\an5}And I think that until that problem is properly addressed, 865 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,160 {\an5}this issue is not going to go away 866 00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,080 but will continue getting worse. 867 00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,320 - More people will die. - We know that more people will die. 868 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,080 BRATISLAVA, SLOVAKIA 869 00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,960 Murderers and copycats connect 870 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,560 while this online hate 871 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,360 looks for new groups to target. 872 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:13,800 I'm working as an LGBT+ activist for almost 13 years. 873 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,200 I was always trying to create like more safe space. 874 00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,640 For years, Roman and his bar had been hounded online. 875 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,640 I was about to meet my boyfriend, go for dinner. 876 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,080 Some friends of us started to call us if we are OK 877 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,440 because there was a shooting. 878 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:35,400 SURVEILLANCE CAMERA 12 OCTOBER 2022 879 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:36,800 The murderer had shot 880 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,320 two of Roman's friends in front of the bar. 881 00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:42,800 I just took a cab and arrived here. 882 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:49,280 They started to ask me like one million questions. 883 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,400 It was unclear like who was the murderer and who was the target, 884 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,720 and so I was worried about my life as well. 885 00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:02,160 When I wake up after two hours sleeping, 886 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,960 it was somehow a relief when I heard that he committed suicide. 887 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:12,160 JOURNALIST 888 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,640 He was a 19-year-old student 889 00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:16,760 who went to high school. 890 00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,280 He hasn't had many friends, 891 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,440 so that's why his like real world 892 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:25,240 was the online one. 893 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:27,560 We were able to secure the tweets 894 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,560 with the photos of possible targets 895 00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:33,200 including Tepláreň where he made selfies 896 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,600 just two months before the attack. 897 00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,520 This was his ideology 898 00:46:37,720 --> 00:46:40,680 to strike the LGBTQI bar. 899 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:41,800 It's not random. 900 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,320 Only hours after the attacker 901 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,280 had struck in Bratislava, 902 00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:50,800 his actions and his manifesto 903 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,560 were being celebrated by an international online community. 904 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,840 Academics also analysed the online posts 905 00:46:57,160 --> 00:46:58,880 by the far-right perpetrator. 906 00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,960 I'm a tactical and forensic linguist. 907 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,120 I've studied a tonne of manifestos 908 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,440 from a number of far-right lone actors. 909 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,000 I was mainly devastated that there was yet another case. 910 00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,280 The Bratislava perpetrator 911 00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,640 referred online to the Buffalo attacker 912 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,720 and his offence in May 2022. 913 00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,240 I created the file on December 2, 2022. 914 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,960 It lay dormant for months until May of this year 915 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,360 when I picked it up and began seriously working on it again. 916 00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:32,480 He specifically thanked the Terrorgram Collective 917 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,240 in his manifesto. 918 00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:39,920 Terrorgram is a really important place for extremist ideas 919 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:43,760 because this platform is not really moderated in any way. 920 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,160 They can just spread instructions 921 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,000 how to make a sabotage, how to kill someone. 922 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,200 He's the first one 923 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,760 who was inspired and motivated by the Terrorgram community, 924 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,360 the first saint of Terrorgram. 925 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,320 The attacker from Halle an der Saale 926 00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,800 was also referred to as a saint by the Terrorgram Collective. 927 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,760 He killed two people. 928 00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,680 Leave the door open. 929 00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,080 F*ck. 930 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,040 Stephan Balliet, when he committed his attack, 931 00:48:13,240 --> 00:48:16,880 there was a discussion if he was a loser or a saint. 932 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:21,000 Krajcik was labelled as a saint almost instantly after 933 00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,880 the attack, despite his low kill count. 934 00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,680 The Bratislava perpetrator 935 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,320 had supporters worldwide - 936 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,160 including in Austria. 937 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,760 {\an8}There is a global exchange here, 938 00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:35,360 {\an8}regardless of which attacks 939 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,960 {\an8}happened around Europe in recent years. 940 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,760 There are also connections to Austria in Bratislava. 941 00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,200 You also mentioned that the operators of these platforms 942 00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,480 are not subject to be obligated to cooperate 943 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,200 with the authorities. 944 00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,640 Telegram is a special case here. 945 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,440 There has never been any real support 946 00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,040 from Telegram 947 00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:59,280 for us here in Austria. 948 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,640 The members of Terrorgram were therefore able to spread hate 949 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,720 worldwide and unhindered for years. 950 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,840 A woman from the USA played a key role in this. 951 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,160 There is a female narrator explaining 952 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:12,280 what kind of methods were used during the attack. 953 00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,680 She was from California, from Bakersfield. 954 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,400 Between 1968 and 2021, 955 00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,920 105 white men and women of action 956 00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:22,480 have taken it upon themselves 957 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,280 to wage war against the system and our racial enemies. 958 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,080 Our saints are the best of our brothers, and this is our legacy 959 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:33,320 of white terror. 960 00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,640 And there are further indications 961 00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,400 that the Bratislava perpetrator was assisted 962 00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:40,480 by people on Terrorgram. 963 00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,160 When I read the Bratislava manifesto, 964 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,800 I was very surprised at just the language. 965 00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:49,560 It was pretty clear to me that this was not written 966 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:53,080 by a 19-year-old native Slovak speaker. 967 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,720 It had very formal vocabulary, 968 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,760 minimal grammatical mistakes. 969 00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,000 It showed me that we're potentially dealing with a hidden author 970 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:04,400 that provided language for certain sections of the manifestos, 971 00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:06,440 likely an American, 972 00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,200 possibly older and educated. 973 00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,600 In summer 2024, the FBI arrested 974 00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,080 the narrator and an accomplice. 975 00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,960 The woman had offered the Bratislava perpetrator a reward: 976 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,120 If he were to murder, 977 00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:22,600 she would read his terror manifesto as an audio book. 978 00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,520 She kept her promise. 979 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,440 Hail the saints and hail our glorious 980 00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:30,000 and bloody legacy of white terror. 981 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,480 Investigators claim they are leaders of the Terrorgram Collective, 982 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,720 a white supremacist transnational terrorist group. 983 00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,520 The group allegedly plotted to kill high value targets, 984 00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:43,920 including a US senator. 985 00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:47,040 Some of these attacks have already been carried out, 986 00:50:47,240 --> 00:50:49,920 including a man in Slovenia who killed two people, 987 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,280 a man in Turkey who stabbed five people 988 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:53,840 and a New Jersey teen 989 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,320 who the FBI says plotted to attack the power grid. 990 00:50:57,520 --> 00:51:00,440 Ex-FBI agent Scott Payne knows 991 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,320 an arrest or a tamed platform 992 00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,560 doesn't change anything about the problem as a whole. 993 00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,320 It's basically a cat-and-mouse game, 994 00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,920 you know, the old Tom and Jerry cartoon. 995 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,000 If you're spewing your stuff and gab shuts down your channel, 996 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:16,280 well, you'll recreate it, but then you'll say, hey, 997 00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,720 well, let's go to Riot 998 00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,280 or let's go to Threema or let's go to Discord 999 00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,400 or 4chan, 8chan, 12chan. 1000 00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,800 Hate spreads online like a virus. 1001 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:29,160 Non-whites also kill 1002 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,040 in the name of white supremacy ideology. 1003 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,000 Hugo Jackson was 15 at the time. 1004 00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,560 A non-white perpetrator. 1005 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,520 Self-radicalised online, 1006 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:44,720 being sucked into this world. 1007 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,600 In Allen, Texas, a Latino boy 1008 00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:52,560 killed eight people. 1009 00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,920 Yes, we have a victim. 1010 00:51:57,960 --> 00:51:59,520 A boy with Iranian roots 1011 00:51:59,720 --> 00:52:01,800 shot nine people 1012 00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,080 in Munich in 2016. 1013 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,160 In 2022, hate and terror 1014 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,640 also shook Brazil - 1015 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,320 three people died. 1016 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,360 Officers say the 16-year-old suspect 1017 00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:17,320 targeted his former school. 1018 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,640 Victims had little time to escape. 1019 00:52:24,240 --> 00:52:26,200 In Nashville, a Black boy killed 1020 00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,560 in the name of the racist idea of white supremacy. 1021 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,840 On the internet, hate finds ideal conditions 1022 00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,240 to spread unhindered. 1023 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:39,040 I'm kinda glad that my dad's not alive anymore. 1024 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:43,640 There's a huge amount of hatred, rage, anger. 1025 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,480 I think my dad would have done 1026 00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,080 a masterful job of tapping into that. 1027 00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,640 We will immediately detonate more than 500 nuclear devices 1028 00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,160 by hitting New York and Israel. 1029 00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:57,960 We have completely knocked out 1030 00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,120 two of World Jewry's principle nerve centres, 1031 00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:05,000 and the total death toll, including those who have died of burns, 1032 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,040 other wounds and radiation in the last 10 days, 1033 00:53:08,240 --> 00:53:10,960 is approximately 60 million. 1034 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,320 He said the only thing that's gonna make a difference 1035 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,680 is if everybody comes together 1036 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:18,800 and plans an actual war. 1037 00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:24,480 He truly believed that if you're going to have a war, 1038 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:26,520 that you should fight the war to win it 1039 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,840 and that if we were really going to have a war, 1040 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:31,320 that we should use every weapon at our disposal, 1041 00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:32,600 including nuclear weapons. 1042 00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,200 - It's about killing millions. - Yes, it is. 1043 00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,040 - Cleansing the whole world. - Yes, 1044 00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:39,880 because it's millions of people who are their enemy. 1045 00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:46,960 These people would love to be part of the grand war 1046 00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:48,720 and they're gonna get impatient 1047 00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,560 and so be like, OK, I'm tired of waiting, 1048 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,400 you know, I'm gonna do something myself. 1049 00:53:54,720 --> 00:53:55,880 The energy has to go somewhere. 1050 00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:05,400 Do I think there's more? There's hundreds more, 1051 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,400 probably thousands. 1052 00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:09,760 Yeah, I think they're out there. 1053 00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:12,800 911. Where's your emergency? 1054 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,560 {\an8}The complaint says they have an active shooter in the building. 1055 00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:17,520 {\an8}There are still shots being fired 1056 00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:21,720 {\an8}from the lobby, possibly 20 to 30 shots. 1057 00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,240 There are several people hiding. 1058 00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:28,920 Automatic weapon, gunshots firing up. 1059 00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:32,960 If they take fire, 1060 00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:34,880 it's gonna go right through their police car. 1061 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,360 Use that vehicle as a shield and get the hell out of there. 1062 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,280 Go straight up the street and get out of there. 1063 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:43,880 We're moving. 1064 00:54:44,305 --> 00:55:44,763 Watch Online Movies and Series for FREE www.osdb.link/lm