"Conversations with a Killer: The Son of Sam Tapes" No One is Safe

1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org 2 00:00:17,267 --> 00:00:21,062 After you commit a crime, would you go to work the next day? 3 00:00:22,063 --> 00:00:24,274 Yeah, I'd get up, 4 00:00:24,357 --> 00:00:27,986 and go to work. Like nothing ever happened. 5 00:00:51,843 --> 00:00:53,470 Like ordinary guys, 6 00:00:53,553 --> 00:00:55,889 I take pride in doing a good job, a day's work. 7 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:58,600 In the post office, 8 00:00:58,683 --> 00:01:01,561 they never had problems with me. I always worked hard. 9 00:01:14,074 --> 00:01:17,327 I got along very good with people there. I was sociable. 10 00:01:17,410 --> 00:01:19,454 I worked with them, drank coffee with them, 11 00:01:19,537 --> 00:01:21,122 took our lunch breaks together. 12 00:01:45,939 --> 00:01:48,399 I tried pointing out that he wasn't deranged. 13 00:01:48,483 --> 00:01:50,902 I said, "Look at the way he is doing the crimes." 14 00:01:50,985 --> 00:01:52,612 "He's too clever. He's not crazy." 15 00:01:52,695 --> 00:01:57,742 "He may be crazy in a sense, but not insane or anything, you know…" 16 00:02:17,220 --> 00:02:19,514 Was there any time you went back and got the gun 17 00:02:19,597 --> 00:02:21,808 or if you had the gun with you, you went out… 18 00:02:23,143 --> 00:02:24,018 Yeah. 19 00:02:32,193 --> 00:02:35,738 I was always upholding the image of a good, loyal citizen. 20 00:02:36,531 --> 00:02:38,199 Not all outright evil. 21 00:03:00,471 --> 00:03:03,433 Everyone has emotional outlets for anger. 22 00:03:03,516 --> 00:03:04,767 In different ways. 23 00:03:04,851 --> 00:03:07,437 You hear about people that do harm to somebody, 24 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,480 or kill somebody, and that's it. 25 00:03:10,148 --> 00:03:14,110 That released all their pent-up anger, and now they're normal again. 26 00:03:15,236 --> 00:03:16,070 That was me! 27 00:03:55,109 --> 00:03:59,489 Tonight, July 29th, is a date that clearly haunts one man in New York. 28 00:04:00,657 --> 00:04:03,159 He calls himself Son of Sam. 29 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:06,454 A year ago tonight, he shot and killed a teenage girl. 30 00:04:06,537 --> 00:04:08,998 Since then, he's struck six more times. 31 00:04:09,082 --> 00:04:11,918 Each time using the same .44-caliber revolver, 32 00:04:12,001 --> 00:04:15,046 usually choosing young women with long brunette hair. 33 00:04:18,132 --> 00:04:21,135 He's hinted in a letter to the press that he will strike again. 34 00:04:22,637 --> 00:04:23,763 Possibly tonight. 35 00:04:50,748 --> 00:04:54,711 By night, police saturate neighborhoods where the killer has struck. 36 00:05:06,848 --> 00:05:08,349 We're police officers. 37 00:05:08,433 --> 00:05:10,643 -Do you have some ID maybe? -Yeah. 38 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,230 -What type of gun is that? -A .38. 39 00:05:14,314 --> 00:05:15,189 A .38? 40 00:05:16,024 --> 00:05:18,860 You don't happen to know anybody carrying a .44, do you? 41 00:05:20,570 --> 00:05:23,156 They'll get him. Somebody's gonna get him. 42 00:06:52,787 --> 00:06:54,539 Yo brother! Brooklyn! 43 00:08:05,443 --> 00:08:07,695 If I leave now, I'll never get to know you. 44 00:08:07,778 --> 00:08:10,698 I'll never know what a wonderful, beautiful chick you are. 45 00:10:16,741 --> 00:10:19,952 The young couple were hospitalized in critical condition. 46 00:10:20,786 --> 00:10:23,247 Both shot in the head as they sat in their car 47 00:10:23,331 --> 00:10:25,416 near the ocean the Brooklyn, New York. 48 00:10:36,677 --> 00:10:38,638 What can you tell me about your son? 49 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:43,517 We brought him up the right way. 50 00:10:44,685 --> 00:10:46,812 Good boy, never any trouble. 51 00:10:55,946 --> 00:10:57,782 I told him to stay out of Queens. 52 00:10:57,865 --> 00:11:00,368 He said, "Dad, I'm gonna stay out of Queens." 53 00:11:00,451 --> 00:11:04,163 "I'll hang around in Brooklyn." And that's where they found him. 54 00:11:18,678 --> 00:11:22,890 An animal should snuff away a life of a young girl… 55 00:11:22,973 --> 00:11:29,105 …blind a young boy and has killed others and will probably go on killing. 56 00:11:29,605 --> 00:11:31,816 An animal like this has to be caught. 57 00:11:50,584 --> 00:11:53,879 The reporters followed the caravan of mourners, you know. 58 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,509 Stood by the grave as she was being buried… 59 00:12:00,594 --> 00:12:05,766 Watching the coffin, get lowered into the grave, you know. 60 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:09,854 How did you feel, watching that on TV? 61 00:12:10,479 --> 00:12:13,232 I saw the picture, I said, "Geez, look at that." 62 00:12:13,315 --> 00:12:17,695 "The whole neighborhood was there. Right next to my mother's cemetery too." 63 00:12:27,788 --> 00:12:31,083 That the killings were a way of being somebody… 64 00:12:32,668 --> 00:12:35,796 of doing something different, unique and… 65 00:12:36,297 --> 00:12:37,131 Yeah. 66 00:12:37,631 --> 00:12:41,427 You know, calling attention to yourself, something like that. 67 00:12:57,860 --> 00:13:00,905 New York City is being terrorized by a gunman 68 00:13:00,988 --> 00:13:03,282 police call the .44 Caliber Killer. 69 00:13:03,365 --> 00:13:05,367 A lot of people want to kill him. 70 00:13:05,451 --> 00:13:08,788 A lot of people wanna go out by themselves and kill him. 71 00:13:15,544 --> 00:13:18,172 Don't give him to the cops, don't give him to these boys, 72 00:13:18,255 --> 00:13:19,423 give him to us mothers. 73 00:13:19,507 --> 00:13:22,426 We want to handle him the way we want to. 74 00:13:53,332 --> 00:13:55,626 All the girls are really afraid. 75 00:13:55,709 --> 00:13:57,628 And we all have to worry about it. 76 00:14:07,429 --> 00:14:09,974 Definitely not doing the right job finding the guy. 77 00:14:10,057 --> 00:14:11,225 -The police? -Definitely. 78 00:14:11,308 --> 00:14:14,353 Maybe they have to call in help from the federal government. 79 00:14:34,206 --> 00:14:38,669 New York's Mayor Beame directed that a hundred more policemen be added 80 00:14:38,752 --> 00:14:42,381 to what's become one of the biggest manhunts in the history of this city. 81 00:14:51,390 --> 00:14:52,600 Well, how'd he act? 82 00:14:58,856 --> 00:15:02,902 He wasn't too tall of a man. He was, I guess, a medium-sized man. 83 00:15:08,574 --> 00:15:10,910 Not even a police artist will pretend 84 00:15:10,993 --> 00:15:13,913 that these sketches can pinpoint the killer. 85 00:15:13,996 --> 00:15:17,666 Sort of an oval face, medium nose, 86 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:23,130 ordinary eyes with that pensive look, and medium lips. 87 00:15:23,756 --> 00:15:25,215 And a stylish hairdo. 88 00:15:25,883 --> 00:15:28,302 -That only fits eight million people. -Right. 89 00:16:04,755 --> 00:16:07,883 As I turned, I seen a man coming out from down that tree there. 90 00:16:07,967 --> 00:16:09,760 And right here… 91 00:16:11,261 --> 00:16:13,764 we crossed each other. As he turned the corner, 92 00:16:13,847 --> 00:16:16,809 I look on his back off the side of the arm. 93 00:16:17,726 --> 00:16:21,689 He had a long thing, like a bell, sticking up his sleeve. 94 00:18:16,345 --> 00:18:18,639 They called me a couple of times. 95 00:18:18,722 --> 00:18:21,725 I never was home, or I never answered the phone. 96 00:18:21,809 --> 00:18:24,978 How many days after the last crime was this? 97 00:18:25,771 --> 00:18:27,523 About a week or so. 98 00:18:27,606 --> 00:18:30,692 I knew it was over. I felt the punishment was coming. 99 00:18:32,986 --> 00:18:33,987 And so… 100 00:18:35,197 --> 00:18:38,826 That was when I went to Long Island. Asparagus Beach it was called. 101 00:18:38,909 --> 00:18:40,744 A hundred miles from New York City. 102 00:19:08,689 --> 00:19:11,942 This was at the end of Long Island. It's wide open. 103 00:19:12,025 --> 00:19:14,069 Full of people, all very wealthy. 104 00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:16,655 I had a machine gun type gun, you know. 105 00:19:16,738 --> 00:19:20,450 It was a rapid fire semi-automatic. I was gonna do something there. 106 00:19:38,135 --> 00:19:43,223 I sat there feeling like an outsider and became angry. 107 00:19:43,724 --> 00:19:47,978 I was emotionally charged up or psyched up to commit a crime. 108 00:19:48,645 --> 00:19:50,272 I was gonna wait till dark. 109 00:19:57,613 --> 00:20:00,908 But when it started to rain, and there was nobody around, 110 00:20:01,992 --> 00:20:04,077 I just got in my car and went home. 111 00:20:25,265 --> 00:20:29,061 -What did you when you got home? -Went to bed or something. 112 00:20:29,144 --> 00:20:30,312 It was a long day. 113 00:20:30,395 --> 00:20:32,731 You never answered when the police called? 114 00:20:33,232 --> 00:20:34,233 Right. 115 00:20:34,316 --> 00:20:37,819 I had a feeling what it would be about, but I just didn't answer. 116 00:21:59,735 --> 00:22:05,615 ATTENTION: SUFFOLK POLICE P.D.N.Y. AND PRESS 117 00:25:16,556 --> 00:25:19,392 Did you say to the cops, "What took you so long?" 118 00:25:19,476 --> 00:25:20,310 Yeah. 119 00:25:21,144 --> 00:25:21,978 Yeah. 120 00:25:22,562 --> 00:25:25,899 "Okay, you got me" and "What took you so long?" 121 00:25:26,399 --> 00:25:29,152 Like, finally! They couldn't have been more happy. 122 00:25:29,236 --> 00:25:31,321 I couldn't have made their job any easier. 123 00:25:32,322 --> 00:25:35,325 At the same time, I wanted to make the public aware it was me. 124 00:25:35,408 --> 00:25:37,369 That I was responsible, you know. 125 00:25:37,869 --> 00:25:39,704 You arranged to get caught? 126 00:25:40,372 --> 00:25:42,499 I left signs, hints and things. 127 00:25:44,084 --> 00:25:46,586 Did you get that parking ticket on purpose? 128 00:25:47,087 --> 00:25:48,004 Yes. 129 00:25:48,088 --> 00:25:52,717 The news media were haranguing these police officials constantly. 130 00:25:52,801 --> 00:25:55,136 "When are you going to get him?" 131 00:25:55,637 --> 00:25:57,889 The commissioner said, "He'll probably make 132 00:25:57,973 --> 00:26:00,600 some type of mistake, a parking ticket or something." 133 00:26:01,142 --> 00:26:02,394 I saw the cops there. 134 00:26:02,894 --> 00:26:05,814 So, I stood across the street in a darkened spot, 135 00:26:05,897 --> 00:26:09,067 and one guy wrote out a ticket and just put it on my window. 136 00:26:09,150 --> 00:26:14,447 And about 45 minutes later or so, the shooting happened. 137 00:27:30,523 --> 00:27:33,151 I'm very pleased to announce that the people 138 00:27:33,234 --> 00:27:34,611 of the city of New York… 139 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,822 …can rest easy this morning 140 00:27:38,406 --> 00:27:43,286 because of the fact that the police have captured a man 141 00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:45,497 whom they believe to be the Son of Sam. 142 00:27:46,206 --> 00:27:49,250 The successful conclusion of this case was the culmination… 143 00:27:49,876 --> 00:27:54,881 …of a tremendous amount of dogged, persistent, day in and day out work 144 00:27:55,632 --> 00:27:59,260 by uniformed officers and by our detectives. 145 00:27:59,344 --> 00:28:01,846 I am Detective Edward Zigo. 146 00:28:02,722 --> 00:28:04,683 Detective John Falotico. 147 00:28:06,434 --> 00:28:07,977 Sergeant William Gardella. 148 00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:22,909 Police did a tremendous job. 149 00:28:22,992 --> 00:28:25,078 They're the best police force in the world. 150 00:28:36,047 --> 00:28:36,881 Good evening. 151 00:28:36,965 --> 00:28:40,969 The most intensive manhunt in New York City's history is over. 152 00:28:41,052 --> 00:28:45,265 David Berkowitz accused this morning as the .44 Caliber Killer. 153 00:28:47,767 --> 00:28:50,019 CHARLES LOMINO JOANNE LOMINO'S BROTHER 154 00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:11,916 I feel much safer walking the streets of New York. 155 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,336 Much safer. I can go out at night, go to the discotheques. 156 00:29:27,849 --> 00:29:30,560 Now I feel so much safer about going out at night. 157 00:29:30,643 --> 00:29:32,437 They could be young again. 158 00:29:59,506 --> 00:30:02,801 As news of the arrest of the .44 Caliber Killer spread, 159 00:30:02,884 --> 00:30:05,345 New Yorkers were generally relieved. 160 00:30:05,428 --> 00:30:07,722 But at the Brooklyn home of Robert Violante, 161 00:30:07,806 --> 00:30:09,766 who was blinded in the killer's last attack, 162 00:30:09,849 --> 00:30:14,062 Violante's mother said the arrest left one question unanswered. 163 00:30:16,064 --> 00:30:19,150 Would be one word, why? Just why? 164 00:30:46,427 --> 00:30:51,349 I AM THE "SON OF SAM." 165 00:31:06,739 --> 00:31:10,034 I have nothing against these victims. Who were they to me? 166 00:31:10,618 --> 00:31:14,163 Just people! I didn't hate them. I wasn't angry against them. 167 00:31:15,456 --> 00:31:17,000 So why'd you do it? 168 00:31:17,542 --> 00:31:20,044 Sam did it through me! He used me. 169 00:31:20,837 --> 00:31:24,048 He made me go out there and do it. I did it for him, for blood. 170 00:33:08,653 --> 00:33:10,613 Berkowitz will be brought here 171 00:33:10,697 --> 00:33:13,408 to the state courthouse in Brooklyn this morning. 172 00:33:13,491 --> 00:33:16,828 And, unless he changes his mind, he's expected to plead guilty 173 00:33:16,911 --> 00:33:20,164 to at least one of the Son of Sam murder charges. 174 00:33:58,202 --> 00:34:03,958 The so-called Son of Sam, in court today, pleaded guilty to all six of the murders 175 00:34:04,042 --> 00:34:06,544 that frightened New York City for about a year. 176 00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:17,513 I never took this to trial. I pled guilty, is one, 177 00:34:17,597 --> 00:34:19,348 because I knew was guilty. 178 00:34:19,432 --> 00:34:22,435 And two, I wanted to call attention to myself, you see, 179 00:34:22,518 --> 00:34:25,480 as a criminal, a killer. I wanted to be somebody. 180 00:34:47,126 --> 00:34:49,754 In addition to being the black sheep, 181 00:34:49,837 --> 00:34:53,341 in addition to being an outcast and stigmatized for adoption 182 00:34:54,133 --> 00:34:57,011 and being somewhat of a loner as I got older, 183 00:34:57,845 --> 00:35:01,349 doing all these things, I couldn't seem to fit into society. 184 00:35:01,849 --> 00:35:05,812 I got to a point where I was so angry, I blamed others, you see. 185 00:35:06,437 --> 00:35:08,397 And I started committing my crimes. 186 00:35:08,898 --> 00:35:12,568 You know, to make people pay attention to me. 187 00:35:38,970 --> 00:35:41,556 Do you think justice can be done in this case? 188 00:35:42,265 --> 00:35:45,768 Not unless they bring back the death penalty. And he burns for it. 189 00:37:10,728 --> 00:37:12,980 I mean, that animal, he is a sick bastard. 190 00:37:13,064 --> 00:37:15,358 I don't care what… He is a sick son of a bitch. 191 00:37:15,858 --> 00:37:18,069 I felt like killing him, scratching his eyes out. 192 00:37:18,152 --> 00:37:20,279 I really couldn't control myself. 193 00:37:26,994 --> 00:37:30,206 The idea of being sentenced to prison, right? 194 00:37:30,289 --> 00:37:31,958 It's terribly frightening. 195 00:37:32,458 --> 00:37:35,419 And it was just an act of desperation to… 196 00:37:36,879 --> 00:37:40,049 I guess, get attention, hope that somebody would intervene 197 00:37:40,132 --> 00:37:42,134 and say, "Oh, he is a madman." 198 00:37:49,809 --> 00:37:51,352 Sentencing went ahead. 199 00:37:51,435 --> 00:37:54,814 Berkowitz receiving a series of 25-year sentences 200 00:37:54,897 --> 00:37:56,857 totaling hundreds of years. 201 00:37:56,941 --> 00:38:00,861 But under the law, David Berkowitz may apply for parole in 25 years. 202 00:38:28,389 --> 00:38:30,766 ATTICA CORRECTIONAL FACILITY 203 00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:46,073 How much time is left on that, by the way? 204 00:38:46,157 --> 00:38:47,158 Quite a bit. 205 00:38:47,241 --> 00:38:50,870 There is something I wanted to tell you that came to my mind. 206 00:39:00,504 --> 00:39:05,009 Here I was committing crimes of violence against innocent people. 207 00:39:05,092 --> 00:39:08,846 I didn't, at that time, understand any motives for what I was doing. 208 00:39:08,929 --> 00:39:11,057 I needed some type of justification. 209 00:39:11,140 --> 00:39:12,558 I had to convince myself 210 00:39:12,641 --> 00:39:16,020 that, no, I'm not the man that's doing this. 211 00:39:21,067 --> 00:39:24,862 It's some sinister force that's controlling me. 212 00:39:34,705 --> 00:39:37,375 And what about the demon thing? When did that… 213 00:39:37,875 --> 00:39:41,962 Did it happen about the same time as the identity of Son of Sam? 214 00:39:42,046 --> 00:39:42,963 Tell me about it. 215 00:39:43,047 --> 00:39:46,509 It just came to me, 'cause I've always had a wild imagination. 216 00:39:46,592 --> 00:39:50,346 Suddenly I started to blame Sam Carr for everything. 217 00:39:50,429 --> 00:39:51,430 That he was at fault, 218 00:39:51,514 --> 00:39:53,808 and that his dog was giving me orders and things. 219 00:39:53,891 --> 00:39:57,812 And it was all just a sham, to be quite frank with you. 220 00:39:59,855 --> 00:40:03,234 When the police, I guess, went over to my apartment, 221 00:40:03,317 --> 00:40:04,819 after I was arrested… 222 00:40:07,488 --> 00:40:12,118 You notice how, if you recall, all these scrawls of magic marker 223 00:40:12,201 --> 00:40:13,577 that were on the walls? 224 00:40:14,412 --> 00:40:16,997 You tried to make it look like you were a madman? 225 00:40:17,081 --> 00:40:17,915 Yeah. 226 00:40:18,874 --> 00:40:21,919 That somehow this was the home of the devil or something. 227 00:40:22,002 --> 00:40:26,006 I knew I was going to be captured, and I had set all these things up. 228 00:40:47,695 --> 00:40:50,614 Today, an Inside Edition exclusive. 229 00:40:50,698 --> 00:40:52,324 In a shocking confession, 230 00:40:52,408 --> 00:40:54,994 the .44 Caliber Killer tells of devil worship, 231 00:40:55,077 --> 00:40:59,081 of cult members who helped him carry out his gruesome string of killings. 232 00:40:59,165 --> 00:41:01,167 And he reveals chilling details. 233 00:41:01,250 --> 00:41:04,462 I did not pull the trigger at every single one of them. 234 00:41:20,895 --> 00:41:22,813 Donna Lauria in the Bronx. Was that you? 235 00:41:22,897 --> 00:41:23,731 Yeah. 236 00:41:24,899 --> 00:41:27,610 Carl Denaro, Rosemary Keenan in Queens. 237 00:41:27,693 --> 00:41:29,320 -No. -That wasn't you. 238 00:41:42,583 --> 00:41:46,837 A cult that called itself the Twenty Two Disciples of Hell. 239 00:41:51,509 --> 00:41:55,221 Other Son of Sam killers are still lurking on the loose. 240 00:41:55,304 --> 00:41:58,432 As soon as he joined that cult, the .44 was put into his hand. 241 00:47:30,389 --> 00:47:34,434 The most intensive manhunt in New York City's history is over. 242 00:47:34,518 --> 00:47:38,981 David Berkowitz accused this morning as the .44 Caliber Killer. 243 00:50:09,297 --> 00:50:12,050 -How you doing, Dave? -Yeah. All right. 244 00:50:15,387 --> 00:50:20,434 The reason we're here, it sort of centers around a woman. 245 00:50:20,517 --> 00:50:22,102 She's 87 years old. 246 00:50:22,185 --> 00:50:26,648 And she discussed with us an incident that occurred to her. 247 00:50:26,732 --> 00:50:28,984 On April 9th of '76. 248 00:50:29,568 --> 00:50:32,195 Now at the time, she draws a sketch. 249 00:50:32,279 --> 00:50:35,741 -There is a chance-- -It's an uncanny resemblance. 250 00:50:35,824 --> 00:50:37,743 I obviously admit that. 251 00:50:38,618 --> 00:50:40,370 Did you ever own a .32 caliber? 252 00:50:40,454 --> 00:50:46,793 No. The only handgun I owned was the .44-caliber revolver. 253 00:50:47,377 --> 00:50:51,048 Ever borrow one from a cop friend that used it as an off-duty? 254 00:50:51,131 --> 00:50:54,968 No. I was not involved, and I don't know what to say. 255 00:50:55,052 --> 00:50:57,471 Your position is "absolutely not," correct? 256 00:50:57,554 --> 00:51:01,641 Yeah, right, I would like to do what I can to just clear that. 257 00:51:01,725 --> 00:51:06,396 At the end of the day, our opinion based on evidence, is investigative. 258 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:10,025 It's just… we're probably going to close this case as is. 259 00:51:10,817 --> 00:51:13,737 That's ridiculous. I don't know who this person is. 260 00:54:02,155 --> 00:54:04,407 Hey David, how are you doing? 261 00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:07,494 I'm hanging in there, by God's grace. 262 00:54:07,577 --> 00:54:09,120 I'm doing okay. Thank you. 263 00:54:10,205 --> 00:54:11,957 I'm just curious. 264 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,876 What do you want people to know about your story? 265 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,254 I'm so very sorry for what happened. 266 00:54:17,337 --> 00:54:20,674 I was in a very dark space in my life. 267 00:54:21,258 --> 00:54:24,844 Things were falling apart for me mentally, spiritually. 268 00:54:25,428 --> 00:54:27,097 My life spun out of control. 269 00:54:28,223 --> 00:54:31,643 And I just couldn't get on that right path. 270 00:54:32,602 --> 00:54:37,315 If you could go back in time, what advice would you say to that David? 271 00:54:38,358 --> 00:54:41,611 I would say, "Dave, run for your life. Get help." 272 00:54:42,404 --> 00:54:45,282 I could have gone to my dad. I could have gone to my sister. 273 00:54:45,365 --> 00:54:49,327 But I kept everything to myself thinking, "I can handle everything." 274 00:54:49,411 --> 00:54:51,579 But the pull was too strong. 275 00:54:52,289 --> 00:54:55,792 I wish I could start all over again and take a better path in life. 276 00:54:55,875 --> 00:54:58,086 But it just didn't work out that way. 277 00:58:03,855 --> 00:58:07,650 Subtitle translation by: 277 00:58:08,305 --> 00:59:08,651