Apocalypto

1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Do you want subtitles for any video? -=[ ai.OpenSubtitles.com ]=- 2 00:00:13,890 --> 00:00:18,811 [man] Hi, this is Mel Gibson here to do the, uh, you know... 3 00:00:18,811 --> 00:00:21,480 Give you the wristwatch show on this. 4 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:27,028 Kick back, open up a soft drink, put your feet up. 5 00:00:27,111 --> 00:00:29,989 I'm here with Farhad Safinia, co-writer, 6 00:00:30,031 --> 00:00:33,701 co-producer and, uh, all-around... 7 00:00:33,784 --> 00:00:37,330 I don't know. He was there. He saw it happen. We were there. 8 00:00:37,413 --> 00:00:40,124 - [Safinia] We were. - [Gibson] This was our baby, man. 9 00:00:40,166 --> 00:00:43,044 - If two men can have a baby. - [Safinia] Don't! Please. 10 00:00:43,127 --> 00:00:45,588 [laughter] 11 00:00:45,671 --> 00:00:47,757 - [Gibson] Don't go there. OK. - [Safinia] No. 12 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,842 - Not for two hours anyway. - [Gibson] No. 13 00:00:49,884 --> 00:00:52,219 - OK, we'll try and keep it clean. - [Safinia] Yes. 14 00:00:52,303 --> 00:00:54,472 - [Gibson] You do the same. - [Safinia] I shall. 15 00:00:54,513 --> 00:01:00,227 - [Gibson] Good. No, them, I mean, them. - [Safinia] Oh, I see. [laughs] 16 00:01:01,854 --> 00:01:05,149 Do you wanna talk about how many times it took us to get this shot right 17 00:01:05,191 --> 00:01:08,694 - 'cause this is all one single shot. - [Gibson] Yeah. Got it. It's one shot. 18 00:01:08,778 --> 00:01:11,864 We had to get the tapir to pop out right on cue. 19 00:01:11,906 --> 00:01:15,368 And, of course, he's a... He's a dumb animal. 20 00:01:15,409 --> 00:01:18,537 Or maybe he's a smart animal, but he's an animal. 21 00:01:18,621 --> 00:01:22,208 Not inclined to cooperate, but, uh, he came right into the lens there. 22 00:01:22,291 --> 00:01:24,126 - It was amazing. - [Safinia] Yeah. 23 00:01:24,210 --> 00:01:27,713 Tapirs are actually notoriously, uh, shy, yeah. 24 00:01:27,755 --> 00:01:31,467 They're very afraid of things. And if you frighten them and they start to run, 25 00:01:31,550 --> 00:01:34,929 you better get outta the way, 'cause they'll take everything with 'em. 26 00:01:35,012 --> 00:01:38,182 [Gibson] They'll go right through your trees, animals, you know. 27 00:01:38,224 --> 00:01:40,267 [Safinia] They're heavily endangered, 28 00:01:40,351 --> 00:01:43,729 so we had to be very careful with our particular one. 29 00:01:43,813 --> 00:01:46,440 [Gibson] He got treated better than I did on this shoot. 30 00:01:46,524 --> 00:01:49,652 [Safinia laughs] He did, yeah. 31 00:01:49,735 --> 00:01:54,115 [Gibson] "More ice cream, Mr. Tapir?" "Why, yes, thank you." 32 00:01:54,198 --> 00:01:57,076 People don't know what it is. They think it's... What are they? 33 00:01:57,159 --> 00:02:00,037 - [Safinia] A pig? - [Gibson] A pig they call it. But... 34 00:02:00,079 --> 00:02:04,208 - It's actually closer to being a horse. - [Safinia] That's right. 35 00:02:04,250 --> 00:02:07,378 It sort of throws you off if you don't know anything about the film. 36 00:02:07,420 --> 00:02:10,923 You don't know what era, what time period you're watching and... 37 00:02:11,007 --> 00:02:14,468 - [Gibson] "Who are these guys?" - [Safinia] Yeah, "Who are these guys?" 38 00:02:14,552 --> 00:02:16,762 [Gibson] "Why aren't they wearing trousers?" 39 00:02:16,846 --> 00:02:19,598 [Safinia laughs] Yeah. 40 00:02:19,682 --> 00:02:23,561 [Gibson] And a tapir would've been the... uh, the largest game animal 41 00:02:23,602 --> 00:02:26,647 in their forest, in their world, so... 42 00:02:26,731 --> 00:02:30,317 [Safinia] Because in Central America in the period where the film is set, 43 00:02:30,401 --> 00:02:32,236 - there were no horses. - [Gibson] No. 44 00:02:32,278 --> 00:02:34,613 [Safinia] Horses arrived with conquistadors. 45 00:02:34,697 --> 00:02:37,783 [Gibson] Horses came on boats. Oh, boy. 46 00:02:40,703 --> 00:02:42,788 <i>[squealing]</i> 47 00:02:45,624 --> 00:02:48,169 - [Gibson] Sounds like a pig. - [Safinia] It does, yeah. 48 00:02:48,252 --> 00:02:50,129 [laughter] 49 00:02:51,338 --> 00:02:54,967 [Gibson] 'Course, this was a puppet. 50 00:02:55,051 --> 00:02:57,178 [Safinia] Yes, it was. 51 00:02:57,261 --> 00:02:59,972 <i>[all laughing]</i> 52 00:03:01,932 --> 00:03:04,685 [Gibson] There's our guys. Hand-chosen. 53 00:03:04,769 --> 00:03:07,188 [Safinia] For the bad teeth. Right? That's what... 54 00:03:07,271 --> 00:03:09,774 [laughter] 55 00:03:09,815 --> 00:03:11,817 <i>[men whooping, laughing]</i> 56 00:03:11,901 --> 00:03:17,406 [Gibson] Prerequisite was they had to have a terrible dentist and... 57 00:03:17,490 --> 00:03:21,118 [Safinia] These images, these were the first shoot. This is the first day. 58 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:25,372 - [Gibson] First day, yeah. - [Safinia] Everybody was nervous. 59 00:03:25,456 --> 00:03:29,001 - [Gibson] Oh, yeah, all the guys. - [Safinia] Yeah. 60 00:03:29,627 --> 00:03:32,338 [Gibson] First time in front of a camera for most of 'em. 61 00:03:34,924 --> 00:03:39,011 [Safinia] We watched a lot of, uh... a lot of, um, documentary footage 62 00:03:39,095 --> 00:03:42,264 of tribal people living in forests and stuff 63 00:03:42,348 --> 00:03:44,183 just to try and get some of this right 64 00:03:44,225 --> 00:03:48,354 because they really wouldn't have carted off the entire animal in its... 65 00:03:48,395 --> 00:03:52,399 In its original state. They would've packaged it up to take it along 66 00:03:52,483 --> 00:03:54,860 with 'em wherever they're going. 67 00:03:55,486 --> 00:03:58,489 [Gibson] The other thing that was important when we were writing 68 00:03:58,531 --> 00:04:01,450 was to create, I guess, 69 00:04:01,534 --> 00:04:05,121 an expected thing of what might one think of as... 70 00:04:05,204 --> 00:04:10,626 As primitives on a hunt and then to totally sort of go against the mood 71 00:04:10,709 --> 00:04:13,587 of what one would expect and turn it into a practical joke. 72 00:04:13,671 --> 00:04:16,799 [Safinia] Right, particularly in how they speak to each other. 73 00:04:16,882 --> 00:04:19,885 We wanted to stay clear of that thing you see in films all the time 74 00:04:19,927 --> 00:04:22,638 with the whole honor and speech stuff, you know. 75 00:04:22,721 --> 00:04:27,434 This was, uh, very much colloquial and friendly. 76 00:04:28,102 --> 00:04:30,521 [Gibson] Making the guy eat the tapir's balls. 77 00:04:30,563 --> 00:04:33,232 - [Safinia] Yeah. - [Gibson] It's a big joke. It's... 78 00:04:33,315 --> 00:04:37,570 I guess it's their version of television, you know. 79 00:04:39,738 --> 00:04:42,783 What was that show where they eat horrible things? <i>Fear Factor?</i> 80 00:04:42,867 --> 00:04:46,203 [Safinia] <i>Fear Factor,</i> yeah. This is <i>Fear Factor</i> circa 1502. 81 00:04:46,245 --> 00:04:49,748 - [Gibson]Yeah. <i>Mayan Fear Factor.</i> - [Safinia] Yeah. 82 00:04:49,790 --> 00:04:51,417 - [Gibson] Mmm. - [Safinia laughs] 83 00:04:51,500 --> 00:04:54,712 - [Gibson] That gets me. Oh! - [Safinia] Me too. It's the squirt. 84 00:04:54,753 --> 00:04:55,963 [Gibson] I gotta say. 85 00:04:56,046 --> 00:04:58,340 <i>- [gagging] - [laughter]</i> 86 00:05:00,551 --> 00:05:02,887 [Safinia] He was so good at that. 87 00:05:02,928 --> 00:05:05,139 [Gibson] Every time he gags, it cracks me up. 88 00:05:08,100 --> 00:05:10,686 - [Safinia laughs] - [Gibson] It's like a bear. 89 00:05:18,485 --> 00:05:21,989 [Safinia] One of the things that's amazing is how everything's matched 90 00:05:22,072 --> 00:05:24,450 because we shot this sequence over many, many days. 91 00:05:24,533 --> 00:05:27,786 And Dean's going hard at work here trying to make... 92 00:05:27,828 --> 00:05:31,332 Because the forest, the light's changing all the time. 93 00:05:31,415 --> 00:05:35,377 And you have the sunny hot spots and the sort of darker spots, 94 00:05:35,461 --> 00:05:38,547 and he's making it match into one sequence. It's well done. 95 00:05:38,631 --> 00:05:42,051 [Gibson] Yeah. Well, those guys with those big scrims, 96 00:05:42,134 --> 00:05:45,221 Goose and those guys, they were dragging scrims all over the place 97 00:05:45,304 --> 00:05:49,308 to block light. So it was very time-consuming. 98 00:05:49,391 --> 00:05:52,519 'Cause where the light was coming from was always very definite. 99 00:05:52,603 --> 00:05:54,146 [Safinia] That's right. 100 00:05:57,274 --> 00:05:59,443 [Gibson] But if you don't notice it, that's OK. 101 00:05:59,485 --> 00:06:01,654 - [Safinia] That's right. - [Gibson laughs] 102 00:06:01,695 --> 00:06:04,573 - Beautiful sometimes. - [Safinia] Amazing. These shots... 103 00:06:04,657 --> 00:06:06,492 [Gibson] Backlit. Beautiful stuff. 104 00:06:06,533 --> 00:06:10,120 This is Genesis at its best sometimes 'cause of the way the light looks 105 00:06:10,162 --> 00:06:11,330 in the background. 106 00:06:11,413 --> 00:06:13,916 [Gibson] Probably a lot of this was getting dark. 107 00:06:13,999 --> 00:06:17,336 - [Safinia] Yeah. Yeah. - [Gibson] But look how it just pops. 108 00:06:17,419 --> 00:06:21,173 'Cause it shows you the sensitivity to light that the stuff has, 109 00:06:21,257 --> 00:06:24,343 - and it doesn't blow it out. - [Safinia] That's right. 110 00:06:24,426 --> 00:06:26,595 [Gibson] I mean, even behind his head there. 111 00:06:26,679 --> 00:06:30,015 That's good. I mean, that was almost full sun backlight coming in. 112 00:06:30,099 --> 00:06:32,268 [Safinia] Mm-hm. 113 00:06:41,860 --> 00:06:45,406 [Gibson] Both these guys are... They're from the same tribe in Canada. 114 00:06:45,489 --> 00:06:49,243 - [Safinia] Yes, the Cree Nation, yeah. - [Gibson] From the Cree Nation. 115 00:06:49,326 --> 00:06:53,706 Rudy and Raoul come from further south. They're Native Americans. 116 00:06:53,747 --> 00:06:59,169 But the rest of the cast were Mezzo-Americans or from Mexico 117 00:06:59,211 --> 00:07:03,173 - or Guatemala or from Central America. - [Safinia] Right. 118 00:07:06,552 --> 00:07:09,305 [Safinia] I love what Morris is doing here. He's... 119 00:07:09,388 --> 00:07:12,391 Once you've seen the film and you know what he's up to... 120 00:07:12,474 --> 00:07:15,019 - [Gibson] He's just a beast. - [Safinia] He's funny. 121 00:07:15,060 --> 00:07:17,438 The looks in his eyes are just priceless. 122 00:07:17,521 --> 00:07:19,732 - [Gibson] You see him laughing... - [laughing] 123 00:07:19,815 --> 00:07:21,942 [Gibson] "I can't believe he believes this." 124 00:07:22,026 --> 00:07:23,819 [Safinia] Yeah, that's right. Yeah. 125 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:39,001 [Safinia] This part, giving him more leaves, 126 00:07:39,084 --> 00:07:43,088 you came up with that on the day. It's just hilarious. 127 00:07:53,265 --> 00:07:57,102 [Safinia] Do you remember how that meat smelled so bad on the set, yeah. 128 00:07:57,144 --> 00:08:00,814 - [Gibson] It was starting to get old. - [Safinia] Yeah, it was. [laughs] 129 00:08:02,149 --> 00:08:04,818 [Gibson] I don't even know what it was. I don't wanna know. 130 00:08:04,902 --> 00:08:07,029 [Safinia laughs] 131 00:08:12,117 --> 00:08:15,579 [Gibson] It was important that this character be singled out at this point 132 00:08:15,621 --> 00:08:20,084 as someone a little more aware or more sensitive to things than the others. 133 00:08:20,125 --> 00:08:21,377 [Safinia] Yeah. 134 00:08:21,460 --> 00:08:24,588 [Gibson] That's why he survives, in a sense, is that he's just 135 00:08:24,630 --> 00:08:28,133 a little ahead of the game. For some reason he has a sixth sense. 136 00:08:28,175 --> 00:08:30,010 [Safinia] That's right. 137 00:08:33,722 --> 00:08:35,974 [Gibson] That's what sets him apart. 138 00:08:36,058 --> 00:08:38,727 [Safinia] And also apart from us, the viewing audience, 139 00:08:38,811 --> 00:08:40,562 because we can't see what he sees. 140 00:08:40,646 --> 00:08:42,231 - [Gibson] No. - [Safinia] And... 141 00:08:42,314 --> 00:08:44,441 It's that he's got something else going on. 142 00:08:44,483 --> 00:08:46,443 [Gibson] So as he sees it, none of us can. 143 00:08:46,485 --> 00:08:48,487 It doesn't seem like the others can either, 144 00:08:48,570 --> 00:08:50,989 - but we don't go into that. - [Safinia] Right. 145 00:08:51,031 --> 00:08:55,327 [Gibson] And that was intentional. He's talking to something that we can't see, 146 00:08:55,369 --> 00:08:57,830 so he sees it before we do. 147 00:09:09,591 --> 00:09:11,593 [Safinia] I'm so glad this worked for real. 148 00:09:11,677 --> 00:09:13,429 Because I remember you talking 149 00:09:13,512 --> 00:09:16,181 - about doing it with computer help. - [Gibson] Morphing. 150 00:09:16,265 --> 00:09:19,893 [Safinia] But it worked. We put the guys out there, and they just moved it 151 00:09:19,977 --> 00:09:23,272 a little to the left, a little to the right, suddenly they disappeared. 152 00:09:23,355 --> 00:09:27,693 [Gibson] They couldn't see. You couldn't see till they moved. It's pretty scary. 153 00:09:27,734 --> 00:09:29,403 [Safinia] Yeah. 154 00:09:29,945 --> 00:09:34,533 [Gibson] Ah, Hiram, cast for his startled appearance. 155 00:09:34,616 --> 00:09:36,118 [Safinia laughs] 156 00:09:36,201 --> 00:09:38,328 [Gibson] He's got this look of being afraid. 157 00:09:38,370 --> 00:09:39,997 - [Safinia] True. - [Gibson] Did it well. 158 00:09:40,038 --> 00:09:44,001 He's got really big eyes and he looks like he's missed a few meals. 159 00:09:49,882 --> 00:09:52,217 - The fear being contagious. - [Safinia] Yeah. 160 00:09:52,259 --> 00:09:54,094 [Gibson] It makes him reach for darts, 161 00:09:54,178 --> 00:09:56,889 'cause the guy's acting weird 'cause he's afraid. 162 00:09:59,057 --> 00:10:02,561 [Safinia] You told him to behave like he's the walking dead. Remember that? 163 00:10:02,603 --> 00:10:04,688 [Gibson] Yeah, I told him to... he's dead. 164 00:10:04,730 --> 00:10:08,066 He just doesn't know it yet. Or he knows it, but he doesn't. 165 00:10:08,150 --> 00:10:09,318 [Safinia] Yeah. 166 00:10:10,194 --> 00:10:12,070 [Gibson] "Be a victim." 167 00:10:37,012 --> 00:10:40,349 [Gibson laughs] 168 00:10:41,558 --> 00:10:44,186 He's like, "What are doing looking at my refrigerator?" 169 00:10:44,269 --> 00:10:45,687 - It's like... - [both laugh] 170 00:10:45,771 --> 00:10:48,690 - [Gibson] "Yeah, nice waters, yeah." - [Safinia] Yeah. 171 00:10:49,942 --> 00:10:52,194 [Gibson] Yeah. [laughs] 172 00:10:52,277 --> 00:10:55,948 - "Two weeks, you're staying? Two?" - [Safinia] Yeah, exactly. 173 00:10:56,031 --> 00:10:58,742 - [Gibson laughs] - [Safinia] And he goes, "Go then." 174 00:10:58,784 --> 00:11:01,036 - [Gibson] "Get outta here." - [Safinia] Yeah. 175 00:11:01,119 --> 00:11:02,704 [laughter] 176 00:11:04,206 --> 00:11:06,959 [Gibson] Start catching a man's fish, he gets sensitive. 177 00:11:07,042 --> 00:11:08,502 [Safinia] Yeah. 178 00:11:09,419 --> 00:11:13,173 I think one thing that we forget here is how amazing the makeup job is. 179 00:11:13,257 --> 00:11:16,093 [Gibson] Oh, look at this. Every aspect of these guys... 180 00:11:16,134 --> 00:11:18,512 [Safinia] It looks so real. You don't notice it, 181 00:11:18,595 --> 00:11:20,806 because you buy in immediately, on... 182 00:11:20,889 --> 00:11:24,268 And these people here, these are all background extras, ostensibly. 183 00:11:24,309 --> 00:11:27,479 - They're done up so... - [Gibson] From the town of Catemaco. 184 00:11:27,521 --> 00:11:30,399 [Safinia] Right, the local town where we were shooting this, 185 00:11:30,482 --> 00:11:33,527 - in this forest nearby. - [Gibson] That guy looks kinda like... 186 00:11:33,610 --> 00:11:36,154 He's just kinda staring in the bushes. I'll show you. 187 00:11:36,238 --> 00:11:39,992 He comes back again later. He knew something like seven languages. 188 00:11:40,075 --> 00:11:42,119 - Remember that cat? - [Safinia] I do, yes. 189 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,163 [Gibson] He'd been to college, and he was a brilliant guy. 190 00:11:45,205 --> 00:11:49,585 And he looks like, you know, he looks like the village idiot. 191 00:11:55,299 --> 00:11:58,093 [Safinia] This was the day that snake had wrapped itself... 192 00:11:58,176 --> 00:12:01,680 Yeah, that guy. The snake had wrapped itself around that young boy's foot. 193 00:12:01,763 --> 00:12:04,016 - Remember, it was... - [Gibson] That's right. 194 00:12:04,057 --> 00:12:07,894 I swear it's the only cold day of the year that ever happened there. 195 00:12:07,978 --> 00:12:10,606 - [Safinia] It was freezing. - [Gibson] It was so cold. 196 00:12:10,689 --> 00:12:15,152 And I guess the snake, for warmth's sake, wrapped itself around 197 00:12:15,193 --> 00:12:19,364 a four-year-old's leg and had to be pried loose. But it was a fer-de-lance. 198 00:12:19,406 --> 00:12:21,491 [Safinia] Deadliest snake in the forest. 199 00:12:21,533 --> 00:12:25,621 [Gibson] Incidentally, the little kid that the snake wrapped around his leg, 200 00:12:25,704 --> 00:12:27,247 he lived. 201 00:12:27,331 --> 00:12:30,042 No, the snake never even bit him. The wrangler was there. 202 00:12:30,083 --> 00:12:34,171 They were able to use their expertise to extract the snake, 203 00:12:34,212 --> 00:12:37,591 who was really trying to stay warm off this little four-year-old's leg. 204 00:12:37,674 --> 00:12:39,384 I don't know how he let it get there. 205 00:12:39,426 --> 00:12:43,722 He was probably talking to it for five minutes, but it was all a happy ending. 206 00:12:44,681 --> 00:12:47,684 All these guys, I found all these actors and performers, 207 00:12:47,726 --> 00:12:52,105 they worked as artisans or painters, or some of them were dancers. 208 00:12:52,189 --> 00:12:53,732 Some of them worked in the circus. 209 00:12:53,815 --> 00:12:56,401 [Safinia] A lot of the people in that forest shot 210 00:12:56,485 --> 00:13:00,072 and now in the village you'll see had never seen a film. 211 00:13:00,155 --> 00:13:02,407 - [Gibson] Yeah. - [Safinia] Which was amazing 212 00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:06,036 because they were suddenly so able to perform and act and dramatize things. 213 00:13:06,078 --> 00:13:09,748 [Gibson] All the people in that village, and that was a function of really just 214 00:13:09,790 --> 00:13:12,918 talking to them and making them feel relaxed, I think, and just say, 215 00:13:12,959 --> 00:13:15,212 "Go about your business. Have something to do." 216 00:13:15,253 --> 00:13:18,674 [Safinia] This tree they're leaning against, it's come crashing down. 217 00:13:18,757 --> 00:13:22,386 This tree nearly took half of our crew with it. 218 00:13:22,427 --> 00:13:26,515 'Cause it was standing when we first built the set. There was a huge storm. 219 00:13:26,598 --> 00:13:29,935 - [Gibson] And it keeled over. - [Safinia] Yeah, it keeled over. 220 00:13:31,061 --> 00:13:33,271 Tom Sanders made it part of the set, 221 00:13:33,355 --> 00:13:36,483 made a great entrance to the village for us with it. 222 00:13:40,737 --> 00:13:44,533 [Gibson] "The concept of fear is the biggest enemy." 223 00:14:08,932 --> 00:14:10,684 [Safinia] I love the way he says this. 224 00:14:10,767 --> 00:14:14,438 I actually love the way the words sound in this speech. 225 00:14:14,479 --> 00:14:15,731 [Gibson] Yeah. 226 00:14:38,003 --> 00:14:41,673 - [Gibson] Just a couple of bums. - [Safinia laughs] 227 00:14:43,425 --> 00:14:45,177 [Gibson] That always made me laugh. 228 00:14:45,260 --> 00:14:49,097 After he gives this "fear about" speech he tries to frighten all the kids. 229 00:14:49,181 --> 00:14:51,016 [both laugh] 230 00:14:55,937 --> 00:15:00,192 - [Safinia] The great Isabel. - [Gibson] Yes. Isabel. 231 00:15:00,233 --> 00:15:04,029 - And where did she come from? - [Safinia] I don't know. Where did...? 232 00:15:04,112 --> 00:15:09,034 [Gibson] You're heard all sorts of stories that she was on the street... 233 00:15:09,117 --> 00:15:12,454 [Safinia] I think she's a grand dame of the theater down there in Mexico. 234 00:15:12,537 --> 00:15:14,247 [Gibson] She is? 235 00:15:15,624 --> 00:15:18,543 - I don't know. - [Safinia laughs] 236 00:15:20,212 --> 00:15:24,174 - [Safinia] But she had this going on. - [Gibson] This kind of madness. 237 00:15:24,216 --> 00:15:26,635 That was what it was, that moment there. 238 00:15:26,718 --> 00:15:29,554 [Safinia] You saw that in the room, and you said, "That's it. 239 00:15:29,638 --> 00:15:33,600 - I don't wanna see anyone else." - [Gibson] The harridan mother-in-law. 240 00:15:33,683 --> 00:15:35,894 - A cliché if you like, but... - [Safinia] Yeah. 241 00:15:35,977 --> 00:15:38,104 [Gibson] And she does it well. 242 00:15:41,316 --> 00:15:42,901 [Gibson laughs] 243 00:15:52,994 --> 00:15:56,331 [Safinia] It's amazing how many characters you get to know in this film, 244 00:15:56,414 --> 00:15:58,416 - in the first half hour. - [Gibson] Yeah. 245 00:15:58,458 --> 00:16:00,961 - [Safinia] So many. - [Gibson] It has to be clear. 246 00:16:01,044 --> 00:16:05,215 That's why I think casting according to type 247 00:16:05,257 --> 00:16:07,551 or archetype even was very... 248 00:16:10,053 --> 00:16:12,514 - I'd pointedly did so, you know. - [Safinia] Mm-hm. 249 00:16:15,559 --> 00:16:18,728 [Gibson] You know, the sage father, the cute son. 250 00:16:18,770 --> 00:16:20,897 - [Safinia] Right. - [Gibson] Furry monkey. 251 00:16:20,939 --> 00:16:22,691 [both laugh] 252 00:16:22,774 --> 00:16:25,318 [Gibson] The archetypal sort of hero, you know. 253 00:16:25,402 --> 00:16:28,947 The guy who's got kind of childlike 254 00:16:28,989 --> 00:16:33,118 sort of heroism in his eyes and sort of innocent in a way, but... 255 00:16:37,205 --> 00:16:39,457 So it was important to us to have those types. 256 00:16:39,541 --> 00:16:43,086 Particularly when you're dealing with a culture so far away 257 00:16:43,128 --> 00:16:45,130 in another language, they had to be clear. 258 00:16:45,171 --> 00:16:46,715 [Safinia] Yes. 259 00:16:47,799 --> 00:16:50,385 And it's... Quick thing to say about the set dressing, 260 00:16:50,468 --> 00:16:53,096 one of the things that sold this whole thing was 261 00:16:53,138 --> 00:16:55,307 every corner you look, you see little details. 262 00:16:55,390 --> 00:16:58,143 - [Gibson] Something. - [Safinia] They did an amazing job, 263 00:16:58,226 --> 00:16:59,436 Tom's team. 264 00:16:59,477 --> 00:17:02,480 [Gibson] The forest was beautiful, but they've just adorned it 265 00:17:02,564 --> 00:17:07,694 with this little abode, this village. 266 00:17:09,988 --> 00:17:13,909 And there are villages built more primitively than this still today. 267 00:17:13,992 --> 00:17:17,329 [Safinia] Existing in the Yucatán and Chiapas and parts of Mexico 268 00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:20,832 that we, in fact, found some of our cast from there. 269 00:17:20,916 --> 00:17:22,334 [Gibson] Yeah. 270 00:17:25,253 --> 00:17:28,673 [Safinia] Do you remember he couldn't stand being upside down for longer 271 00:17:28,715 --> 00:17:31,384 - than about a few seconds. - [Gibson] Yeah. 272 00:17:31,468 --> 00:17:35,597 [Safinia] It would frighten him. So we had to be very careful with him on that. 273 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:39,225 [Gibson] Look at that makeup job. I mean, the prosthetic pregnant belly. 274 00:17:39,309 --> 00:17:42,437 - I mean, it's seamless. - [Safinia] Yeah, yeah. 275 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,690 <i>[moaning]</i> 276 00:17:46,566 --> 00:17:48,902 - [Gibson] Payoff time. - [Safinia laughs] 277 00:17:51,988 --> 00:17:54,157 [both laugh] 278 00:17:54,199 --> 00:17:57,494 [Safinia] Now, nobody knew about the joke 279 00:17:57,535 --> 00:18:01,122 that you were playing here with her, with his wife. 280 00:18:01,206 --> 00:18:06,002 Um, and when the crew saw this... 281 00:18:06,044 --> 00:18:08,171 - [Safinia laughs] - [Gibson] This? 282 00:18:08,213 --> 00:18:10,006 They laughed their heads off. 283 00:18:10,048 --> 00:18:14,219 [Safinia] 'Cause they didn't know. Mel kept it a secret from almost everybody. 284 00:18:14,260 --> 00:18:16,888 [Gibson] I filmed her. I said, "Start drinking the..." 285 00:18:16,972 --> 00:18:20,392 [Safinia] Yeah, yeah. And they couldn't believe that... 286 00:18:21,851 --> 00:18:24,437 There we go. [laughs] 287 00:18:26,481 --> 00:18:29,275 Do you remember how dark it was? It was night almost. 288 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,820 - [Gibson] Testament to Genesis. - [Safinia] Yeah. 289 00:18:31,903 --> 00:18:34,322 [Gibson] I said, "Dean, it's dark. We can't shoot." 290 00:18:34,406 --> 00:18:36,324 He says, "Right, mate. Give it a whirl." 291 00:18:36,408 --> 00:18:38,702 - [Safinia] Yeah, yeah. - [Gibson] And he's... 292 00:18:54,759 --> 00:18:58,513 - [Safinia] Jonathan's just so... - [Gibson] Laugh, cry, laugh, cry. 293 00:18:58,596 --> 00:19:00,765 [both laughing] 294 00:19:06,604 --> 00:19:08,690 [Safinia] These shots are from Costa Rica, 295 00:19:08,773 --> 00:19:12,527 these big sort of forest-scapes that we see. 296 00:19:12,610 --> 00:19:16,114 - It's a beautiful country there. - [Gibson] It is. Stunning. 297 00:19:16,197 --> 00:19:20,493 If you want those big vistas, you know, and mountains and... 298 00:19:20,577 --> 00:19:22,787 We had another crew off in Costa Rica 299 00:19:22,829 --> 00:19:25,373 - just shooting beautiful things. - [Safinia] Yeah. 300 00:19:25,457 --> 00:19:28,001 [Gibson] Sunsets, sunrises, rain. 301 00:19:30,003 --> 00:19:33,798 [Safinia] This speech, um, that the old storyteller is telling, 302 00:19:33,882 --> 00:19:35,341 we found this. 303 00:19:35,425 --> 00:19:38,970 This was an old Mayan tale 304 00:19:39,054 --> 00:19:41,473 called The Myth of the Man's Sadness. 305 00:19:41,514 --> 00:19:45,602 And we took what was there and changed it a little bit 306 00:19:45,643 --> 00:19:48,646 - to bring it up to date. - [Gibson] We modified it. 307 00:19:48,730 --> 00:19:51,232 - [Safinia] Yeah. - [Gibson] He's a real storyteller, 308 00:19:51,316 --> 00:19:54,736 a Mayan who is really missing an arm there. 309 00:19:56,362 --> 00:19:59,741 Some kind of industrial accident when he was a young man. 310 00:20:01,159 --> 00:20:02,744 [Safinia] These are the scenes? 311 00:20:02,827 --> 00:20:06,122 These are the ones where there is literally no other source of light 312 00:20:06,164 --> 00:20:08,166 - except for the fire? - [Gibson] Yeah. 313 00:20:08,249 --> 00:20:10,418 - Amazing. - [Gibson] Look at that! Wow. 314 00:20:10,502 --> 00:20:16,091 Amazing. Dean was so excited when we saw this, how it looked... 315 00:20:19,636 --> 00:20:22,222 ...and how the flames looked fluid almost. 316 00:20:22,305 --> 00:20:24,891 Because you could open the shutter, so the blur effect 317 00:20:24,974 --> 00:20:27,310 - on the movement of the flames. - [Safinia] Yeah. 318 00:20:42,992 --> 00:20:46,037 [Gibson] He had a kind of a black nose ring, but it made him look like 319 00:20:46,121 --> 00:20:49,165 he had a Charlie Chaplin look. I had to change it to white. 320 00:20:49,207 --> 00:20:52,502 - It was like... I said, yeah... - [Safinia laughs] 321 00:20:52,544 --> 00:20:54,754 - [Safinia] Like a mustache. - [Gibson] Yeah. 322 00:21:05,849 --> 00:21:10,103 [Safinia] I love this sequence where the camera's literally moving all the time. 323 00:21:10,186 --> 00:21:13,314 - [Gibson] Did it ever stop? - [Safinia] No, it didn't, not once. 324 00:21:13,398 --> 00:21:16,151 - Not in quiet scenes. - [Safinia] Slightest movements. 325 00:21:16,234 --> 00:21:19,279 [Gibson] If it did, it would seem weird. I think we did a few takes. 326 00:21:19,362 --> 00:21:22,073 Just be stock still just for the effect of being still. 327 00:21:22,157 --> 00:21:26,494 But even then there was usually someone moving in that shot. 328 00:21:36,421 --> 00:21:40,592 [Safinia] I remember that night. You got everybody to dance in this scene. 329 00:21:40,633 --> 00:21:43,761 And the entire village was dancing and dancing on the first take. 330 00:21:43,845 --> 00:21:49,392 And when they stopped, the crew standing around watching erupted into applause 331 00:21:49,434 --> 00:21:54,189 because they were so taken in by the energy of the whole thing. 332 00:21:54,272 --> 00:21:58,026 It was just such a magical moment for everybody. We just all clapped. 333 00:21:58,109 --> 00:21:59,819 [Gibson] Everybody wanted to dance. 334 00:21:59,903 --> 00:22:02,363 [Safinia] You got in the middle of the thing, but... 335 00:22:02,447 --> 00:22:05,617 [Gibson] I was running around like a lunatic. 336 00:22:30,642 --> 00:22:34,562 [Gibson] We basically started off with a very choreographed structure with people 337 00:22:34,646 --> 00:22:37,774 with functions and prosthetic makeup. 338 00:22:37,815 --> 00:22:40,735 [Safinia] Yep. Amazing. 339 00:22:43,112 --> 00:22:44,364 [Gibson] Huh. 340 00:22:44,447 --> 00:22:49,160 [Safinia] He was sound asleep, the kid. Dead to the world at that point. 341 00:23:00,588 --> 00:23:03,800 <i>[animal screeches]</i> 342 00:23:07,637 --> 00:23:12,141 [Gibson] It's amazing, the leeway you get with Genesis 343 00:23:12,183 --> 00:23:14,727 - and with digital timing too. - [Safinia] Right. 344 00:23:14,811 --> 00:23:18,773 [Gibson] You can make it virtually any time of the day or night almost. 345 00:23:18,856 --> 00:23:21,693 It's not just a matter of a couple of stops in this direction 346 00:23:21,776 --> 00:23:25,697 or that direction anymore, but now it's virtually anything you want. 347 00:23:25,780 --> 00:23:30,827 <i>- [heart beats] - [dog barks]</i> 348 00:23:32,453 --> 00:23:34,872 - Dreams are important, you think? - [Safinia] Very. 349 00:23:34,956 --> 00:23:39,127 - They tell you something. - [Gibson] Yes, like, "Hey, run." 350 00:23:39,210 --> 00:23:41,337 [Safinia laughs] 351 00:23:41,379 --> 00:23:43,631 <i>[panting]</i> 352 00:23:43,715 --> 00:23:45,800 [Gibson] Hmm. Guy's got a lot of heart. 353 00:23:45,883 --> 00:23:49,387 [Safinia] He's... [laughs] That's a great makeup job too. 354 00:23:49,470 --> 00:23:52,181 - [Gibson] It is, yeah. - [Safinia] It's just amazing. 355 00:23:53,016 --> 00:23:56,019 [Gibson] I mean, that thing actually looks like a dog, didn't it? 356 00:23:56,060 --> 00:23:58,771 - [Safinia laughs] - [Gibson] Great makeup job. 357 00:24:02,442 --> 00:24:05,486 <i>[dog barks]</i> 358 00:24:11,993 --> 00:24:13,786 <i>[groans]</i> 359 00:24:16,247 --> 00:24:18,958 [Gibson] I love this little kid's hand that slaps over. 360 00:24:19,042 --> 00:24:20,585 [Safinia] Yeah, yeah. 361 00:24:21,753 --> 00:24:26,257 You had to increase the sound on that 'cause you really wanted it heard. 362 00:24:26,299 --> 00:24:29,260 - [Gibson] Yes. He slaps her... - [Safinia] Yeah. 363 00:24:40,772 --> 00:24:43,524 [Gibson] Just when you thought you were in Happy Valley... 364 00:24:43,608 --> 00:24:44,942 [Safinia laughs] 365 00:24:44,984 --> 00:24:47,737 [Gibson] ...comes a man with human jaws on his arm. 366 00:24:47,779 --> 00:24:49,364 [Safinia] Hmm. 367 00:24:50,740 --> 00:24:53,951 [Gibson] You think he'll be nice? He's not the Fuller Brush man. 368 00:24:53,993 --> 00:24:57,997 [Safinia] No. He's not the bearer of glad tidings. 369 00:25:00,792 --> 00:25:04,212 It was so amazing to see these guys the first day they came on set, 370 00:25:04,295 --> 00:25:06,964 - quite a way into the shoot. - [Gibson] Frightening. 371 00:25:07,006 --> 00:25:10,093 I mean, they're the scariest looking dudes I've ever seen. 372 00:25:12,220 --> 00:25:15,431 I remember when we showed the film to the distributors at Disney. 373 00:25:15,473 --> 00:25:19,227 They were like, "These are the scariest guys ever." 374 00:25:19,310 --> 00:25:21,646 And it helps that you never saw any of them before. 375 00:25:21,687 --> 00:25:23,856 [Safinia] True. You have no idea what... 376 00:25:23,940 --> 00:25:27,902 [Gibson] Raoul there, you've seen him before. He was in films and TV. 377 00:25:29,487 --> 00:25:31,572 [Safinia] He was in <i>The New World</i> before this. 378 00:25:31,656 --> 00:25:35,201 [Gibson] He was, yeah. But we actually gave him a prosthetic nose. 379 00:25:35,284 --> 00:25:38,246 - [Safinia] Right. - [Gibson] He was aquiline-featured, 380 00:25:38,329 --> 00:25:42,417 and we thought to make him more Mayan-looking, à la the murals, 381 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:45,962 we thought it was good to give him more of a proboscis. 382 00:25:51,175 --> 00:25:53,177 This kid was in good shape, I have to admit. 383 00:25:53,261 --> 00:25:55,888 - [Safinia] He was. - [Gibson] He's a real athlete, 384 00:25:55,972 --> 00:25:57,849 and that's what really... 385 00:25:59,142 --> 00:26:03,646 It was down to a couple, but this guy moved like an animal when he moved. 386 00:26:04,355 --> 00:26:06,941 He had to do a lot of moving in this. [laughs] 387 00:26:11,529 --> 00:26:13,448 <i>[screaming]</i> 388 00:26:20,496 --> 00:26:22,623 All the stunt guys are Mexican stunts guys. 389 00:26:22,707 --> 00:26:23,833 [Safinia] They are. 390 00:26:30,465 --> 00:26:32,967 [Gibson] What did Frank do? A lawyer or something? 391 00:26:33,050 --> 00:26:34,552 [Safinia] No, I don't, uh... 392 00:26:34,594 --> 00:26:36,679 [Gibson] We called this guy Frank Sinatra. 393 00:26:36,721 --> 00:26:40,683 Because if you look at him, he looks like young Frank Sinatra. 394 00:26:40,725 --> 00:26:42,351 [Safinia] He does. 395 00:26:42,393 --> 00:26:46,063 [Gibson] And somebody ties you. And it's like... 396 00:26:48,232 --> 00:26:52,111 [Safinia] The visual effects here, the special effects, 397 00:26:52,195 --> 00:26:53,905 the ones done on set, the fire, 398 00:26:53,988 --> 00:26:56,908 was done by local Mexican crews as well, and they did a really... 399 00:26:56,991 --> 00:26:58,618 [both] Chucho Duran. 400 00:26:58,701 --> 00:27:03,206 [Gibson] He's a legend down there. On-site special effects man. 401 00:27:08,211 --> 00:27:10,213 [Safinia] It was raining so hard the day... 402 00:27:10,254 --> 00:27:14,091 [Gibson] That day. Oh, man. You'd have to find stuff to do indoors, you know. 403 00:27:14,133 --> 00:27:16,802 It's supposed to be outdoors, but since it was raining... 404 00:27:16,886 --> 00:27:18,304 [both laugh] 405 00:27:23,643 --> 00:27:25,686 <i>[screaming]</i> 406 00:27:32,443 --> 00:27:35,112 - [Gibson] Uh, that's good. - [Safinia] Yeah. 407 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,324 And here's Blunted. 408 00:27:39,283 --> 00:27:42,537 [Gibson] Yep. Maybe he can't father children, but he can kick ass. 409 00:27:42,620 --> 00:27:44,997 - [Safinia] Yeah. - [both laugh] 410 00:27:47,959 --> 00:27:50,336 [Safinia] This was a wonderful combination. 411 00:27:50,419 --> 00:27:54,549 You can talk to it, I guess, more than I can, about how the... 412 00:27:54,632 --> 00:27:58,803 ...combining the exterior set and the interior set. You can't even tell. 413 00:27:58,886 --> 00:28:01,681 [Gibson] You can't. 'Cause that hole there was indoors. 414 00:28:01,764 --> 00:28:05,059 [Safinia] Yeah. Yet everything from the outside was shot obviously 415 00:28:05,142 --> 00:28:07,311 - in the village set. - [Gibson] Yeah. 416 00:28:07,395 --> 00:28:10,856 So you had to both up and down, both in the pers... 417 00:28:10,940 --> 00:28:13,025 You know, the synthetic set 418 00:28:13,109 --> 00:28:16,571 and the real one. 419 00:28:16,654 --> 00:28:19,073 - And they match perfectly. - [Safinia] Perfectly. 420 00:28:40,845 --> 00:28:43,681 [Safinia] The music is really good in this sequence, I think. 421 00:28:43,764 --> 00:28:47,101 - [Gibson] Yeah. - [Safinia] It keeps your blood pumping. 422 00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:50,855 - [Gibson] Ugh. This is hard. - [Safinia] Yeah. 423 00:28:52,023 --> 00:28:56,027 [Gibson] There used to be more of that scene, but I didn't... I got out of it. 424 00:28:56,110 --> 00:28:57,612 [Safinia] Yes. 425 00:29:07,204 --> 00:29:11,208 [Safinia] This is one of the sequences I am so glad it worked the way you... 426 00:29:11,292 --> 00:29:14,879 - Remember during writing it, it...? - [Gibson] Yeah. Yeah. 427 00:29:14,962 --> 00:29:17,298 - Oop. - [Safinia] You shot so many different 428 00:29:17,381 --> 00:29:20,009 - angles to make this work. - [Gibson] Ugh. Yeah. 429 00:29:20,051 --> 00:29:22,053 Bang, feet up on the... 430 00:29:22,136 --> 00:29:25,556 [Safinia] Feet on the wall, inside, outside, close shots on this guy. 431 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,769 Him coming in POV, that, I mean, it's just, the combination is huge. 432 00:29:30,895 --> 00:29:34,940 And she hits the ground. And these were ridiculous. Remember...? 433 00:29:35,024 --> 00:29:37,485 [Gibson] You don't know whether they're gonna work. 434 00:29:37,568 --> 00:29:40,321 [Safinia] You didn't know, and then they work so great. 435 00:29:47,745 --> 00:29:50,915 [Gibson] It's amazing, you know, a lot of these actors and, you know, 436 00:29:50,998 --> 00:29:54,085 they did a lot of their own kind of physical work. 437 00:29:54,168 --> 00:29:56,379 This guy here, Javier, hanging upside down. 438 00:29:56,420 --> 00:30:00,049 That's tough to hang upside down all day, do all this stuff. 439 00:30:00,091 --> 00:30:03,427 You drag him up now and then, so his head wouldn't explode, but... 440 00:30:03,511 --> 00:30:08,140 And then to take all the the fake hits with the rubber club and... 441 00:30:30,121 --> 00:30:33,040 - [Gibson laughs] Desperation. - [Safinia] Hmm. 442 00:30:42,133 --> 00:30:44,677 [Gibson] This girl gave it everything, man. 443 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,139 - [Safinia] She did, out of nowhere. - [Gibson] Yeah, she was... 444 00:30:48,222 --> 00:30:51,976 She didn't have any dialogue or anything. She was just, you know... 445 00:30:52,435 --> 00:30:55,730 But she really gave it everything, 446 00:30:55,813 --> 00:30:58,190 Screaming, I mean, you know. 447 00:31:03,654 --> 00:31:06,657 - [Gibson] That was Mrs. Sinatra. - [Safinia] Yes. 448 00:31:11,078 --> 00:31:12,747 [Safinia] Yeah. 449 00:31:15,666 --> 00:31:18,919 See the nets here and the clubs that can be used on both sides. 450 00:31:19,003 --> 00:31:21,797 These were designed specifically to capture these guys, 451 00:31:21,839 --> 00:31:25,926 and Simon Atherton put a lot of work into figuring out what kinds of weaponry 452 00:31:26,010 --> 00:31:29,889 would be used actually to subdue people and capture them, 453 00:31:29,972 --> 00:31:33,934 as opposed to necessarily kill them. Or if they got in your way... 454 00:31:34,018 --> 00:31:37,188 [Gibson] One of my favorites is coming up. It's like a hook thing 455 00:31:37,271 --> 00:31:41,525 that you can just choke somebody out with and not necessarily kill 'em. 456 00:31:41,609 --> 00:31:44,862 The other thing like that hook that goes through the wall of the hut 457 00:31:44,945 --> 00:31:47,323 and drags the guy right through the wall. 458 00:31:47,364 --> 00:31:50,451 That was Simon, came up, "Pull him right through the walls." 459 00:31:50,534 --> 00:31:52,244 That's great, you know. 460 00:31:52,703 --> 00:31:54,997 - [Safinia] This is all Rudy... - [Gibson] Yeah. 461 00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:59,710 No, these guys, they did their own stuff, man. They're tough boys, yeah. 462 00:31:59,794 --> 00:32:04,340 - [Safinia] Rolling around... - [Gibson] Head butts. They look real. 463 00:32:07,927 --> 00:32:11,013 [Safinia] I love these drumbeats. They're so good. 464 00:32:21,357 --> 00:32:23,692 [Gibson] That screamed out for percussion. 465 00:32:23,734 --> 00:32:25,027 [Safinia] It did, yeah. 466 00:32:26,487 --> 00:32:31,408 [Gibson] That's the choke-out weapon. It's like two things combined. Oop. 467 00:32:31,492 --> 00:32:33,786 - [both laugh] - [Gibson] Had many uses. 468 00:32:37,164 --> 00:32:41,210 [Safinia] This cracked us up, Raoul's look here. 469 00:32:41,252 --> 00:32:43,379 - [Gibson] The tantrum. - [Safinia] Then... 470 00:32:43,420 --> 00:32:45,714 [Gibson] It's like, "That's my boy." "What?" 471 00:32:46,090 --> 00:32:48,092 - That tells you a lot. - [Safinia] It does. 472 00:32:48,175 --> 00:32:52,137 It's true character stuff, this, establishing who these guys are 473 00:32:52,221 --> 00:32:56,934 in relation to each other and who they are in themselves, yeah. 474 00:32:56,976 --> 00:33:00,688 [Gibson] He's like a spoiled child that has to obey, but he doesn't like it. 475 00:33:00,771 --> 00:33:04,149 - [Safinia] He will break the rules. - [Gibson] He's seriously troubled. 476 00:33:05,317 --> 00:33:08,654 [Safinia] Gerardo Taracena is one of the best actors they have 477 00:33:08,737 --> 00:33:11,448 - south of the border. He's... - [Gibson] This guy? Yeah. 478 00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:14,118 Oh, he plays a lunatic great. Look at this. 479 00:33:14,201 --> 00:33:17,371 [Safinia] Amazing, but the face and the way he uses it, you know. 480 00:33:17,454 --> 00:33:20,124 [Gibson] I don't know why, he reminds me of Robert Duvall. 481 00:33:20,207 --> 00:33:23,460 I know he doesn't really look like him, but he just reminds me of... 482 00:33:23,502 --> 00:33:27,006 [Safinia] It's that off thing, playing it off a little bit, and it's... 483 00:33:29,008 --> 00:33:33,137 - [Gibson] Almost anemic. - [Safinia] And his tone is so flip, 484 00:33:33,178 --> 00:33:36,974 just not... disregard for the moment itself. 485 00:33:37,057 --> 00:33:39,602 - [Gibson] I love this look on Morris. - [Safinia] Yes. 486 00:33:39,643 --> 00:33:42,271 - [Gibson] Next look. That one. - [Safinia] Yeah. 487 00:33:42,313 --> 00:33:44,148 - [Gibson] Amazing. - [Safinia] It is. 488 00:33:44,189 --> 00:33:46,942 [Gibson] It's like four things happening right there. 489 00:34:13,969 --> 00:34:16,180 [Safinia] Stay well away from it. 490 00:34:16,221 --> 00:34:19,642 [Gibson] Yeah. I love that, going way wide for that. 491 00:34:19,683 --> 00:34:21,435 - He's standing. - [Safinia] Yeah. 492 00:34:21,518 --> 00:34:23,312 [Gibson] Like, really, it's cool. 493 00:34:23,354 --> 00:34:25,689 [Safinia] It's the only way to do it really. 494 00:34:25,773 --> 00:34:28,108 - [Gibson] It was cool. - [Safinia] Only good way. 495 00:34:41,538 --> 00:34:45,209 [Safinia] And this is the voice of Rahat Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, yeah? 496 00:34:45,292 --> 00:34:48,045 - [Gibson] That's his nephew. - [Safinia] Yeah, Rahat... 497 00:34:48,128 --> 00:34:49,922 - Rahat, yeah. - [Gibson] Rahat, yeah. 498 00:34:50,005 --> 00:34:52,841 [Safinia] And he is a great Pakistani vocalist. 499 00:34:52,883 --> 00:34:54,426 [Gibson] Yeah. 500 00:34:57,846 --> 00:35:03,394 And it's not just... It's years, this stuff. 501 00:35:03,435 --> 00:35:06,772 [Safinia] Hours of practice every day to keep that voice tuned. 502 00:35:06,855 --> 00:35:08,691 [Gibson] Before he could record. 503 00:35:08,732 --> 00:35:13,612 He'd sit there for ten minutes and warm up... or longer. 504 00:35:13,696 --> 00:35:15,781 Half an hour sometimes. 505 00:35:36,927 --> 00:35:39,304 <i>[wailing, chattering]</i> 506 00:35:57,031 --> 00:35:58,782 [Gibson] Jonathan was great here. 507 00:35:58,866 --> 00:36:01,910 His heart's so out there with what he does. He's just so raw. 508 00:36:01,952 --> 00:36:05,080 [Safinia] With everything, with everything he does, yeah. 509 00:36:05,122 --> 00:36:10,335 [Gibson] Really vulnerable. The big vulnerable guy. He's really like that. 510 00:36:10,419 --> 00:36:12,838 [Safinia] In fact, this scene works because of him. 511 00:36:12,921 --> 00:36:16,508 Not because of what's happening here. It's because what's going on with him. 512 00:36:16,592 --> 00:36:19,303 [Gibson] But his compassion and his... 513 00:36:20,137 --> 00:36:22,139 - But Rudy too. - [Safinia] Yeah, yeah. 514 00:36:22,222 --> 00:36:24,767 [Gibson] You know, the sadness of everything. 515 00:36:27,728 --> 00:36:28,812 <i>[screaming]</i> 516 00:36:35,110 --> 00:36:37,154 [Safinia] It was rough shooting this stuff. 517 00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:39,782 [Gibson] Yeah, I know. It was hard to do. 518 00:36:39,823 --> 00:36:42,326 <i>[crying, sobbing]</i> 519 00:37:05,099 --> 00:37:07,810 - [Gibson] Aw, poor little fellow. - [Safinia] Yeah. 520 00:37:07,851 --> 00:37:09,394 [Gibson] I think he was hungry. 521 00:37:09,478 --> 00:37:11,897 [Safinia] He had ice cream. He wanted ice cream. 522 00:37:11,980 --> 00:37:14,858 - [Gibson] He got up early. - [Safinia] That's Mayra Serbulo. 523 00:37:14,942 --> 00:37:19,613 [Gibson] Mayra Serbulo. Beautiful actress. Really. She's really great. 524 00:37:21,406 --> 00:37:23,992 - She's from Oaxaca. - [Safinia] Oaxaca, that's right. 525 00:37:24,034 --> 00:37:28,080 She's from the Zapotec extraction. 526 00:37:38,257 --> 00:37:40,217 [Safinia] This shot, I wanna point it out 527 00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:44,847 because of how the next one, about how you can tell a story with one shot. 528 00:37:44,888 --> 00:37:47,349 - You start behind the beam. - [Gibson] Yeah. 529 00:37:47,391 --> 00:37:50,811 [Safinia] And you follow this guy through to the other side here. 530 00:37:50,894 --> 00:37:53,063 It's... There we go. It's... 531 00:37:53,147 --> 00:37:55,190 [Gibson] Thank goodness for Technocrane. 532 00:37:55,232 --> 00:37:58,193 [Safinia] Exactly. It really tells you a lot in one shot. 533 00:38:15,752 --> 00:38:19,923 [Safinia] Rodolfo Palacios, who plays Snake Ink, had to spend something like 534 00:38:19,965 --> 00:38:23,677 six hours a day in makeup just to apply all those tattoos 535 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,761 and scars on his body. 536 00:38:24,803 --> 00:38:28,599 [Gibson] Scarifications to make it look like he's snakeskin. 537 00:38:34,605 --> 00:38:38,358 [Gibson] Timing. [laughs] The kid's great here. 538 00:38:38,442 --> 00:38:40,444 [Safinia] Yeah. 539 00:39:00,797 --> 00:39:03,717 [Gibson] It's interesting. I'm just looking at Rodolfo here. 540 00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,761 He was fit... he was a pretty fit guy. 541 00:39:05,802 --> 00:39:08,889 - [Safinia] That's true, yeah. - [Gibson] But a lot of the cast... 542 00:39:08,972 --> 00:39:10,974 - [Safinia] Soft. - [Gibson] They had 543 00:39:11,016 --> 00:39:13,936 - a little 20th century blubber on 'em. [Safinia] That's true. 544 00:39:13,977 --> 00:39:17,564 [Gibson] We put them on special diets of more hard foods like meat 545 00:39:17,648 --> 00:39:21,151 and vegetables and just more natural stuff, and they all leaned out 546 00:39:21,193 --> 00:39:24,905 - and got muscular and more angular. - [Safinia] Yeah. 547 00:39:24,988 --> 00:39:26,740 They all looked good in the end. 548 00:39:26,823 --> 00:39:28,742 They were happy with the bodies they got. 549 00:39:28,825 --> 00:39:33,455 - [Gibson] They were like, "Look at me." - [Safinia laughs] Yeah. 550 00:39:33,497 --> 00:39:37,584 [Gibson] 'Cause Raoul, the main Holcane here, 551 00:39:37,668 --> 00:39:40,796 the guy with the headgear, the scary-looking guy... 552 00:39:41,964 --> 00:39:44,967 - [Safinia] Here he is. - [Gibson] He's in good shape, 553 00:39:45,008 --> 00:39:47,469 - and he's not a youngster. - [Safinia] No, he's not. 554 00:39:48,512 --> 00:39:52,432 [Gibson] Think he dropped about 30 pounds and really got tight, you know. 555 00:39:52,516 --> 00:39:54,559 [Safinia] We made him run around a lot. 556 00:39:54,643 --> 00:39:55,936 [Gibson] Yeah, running. 557 00:39:56,019 --> 00:39:58,397 [Safinia] Joints, complaining about his knees. 558 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:01,149 He said, "Please." [laughs] 559 00:40:03,527 --> 00:40:05,821 But he did a great job running around like that. 560 00:40:05,862 --> 00:40:08,949 Trying to keep up with Rudy was no easy task. 561 00:40:09,032 --> 00:40:12,160 [Gibson] Kidding me? You can't. 562 00:40:13,328 --> 00:40:15,956 I got one of these guys when we were just talking to 'em. 563 00:40:16,039 --> 00:40:19,459 I said, "OK, I'll take you out in the parking lot and have a race with you." 564 00:40:19,543 --> 00:40:21,169 Kid's like 20 years old. 565 00:40:21,211 --> 00:40:25,340 And, uh... I mean, I used to be pretty fast. 566 00:40:25,382 --> 00:40:28,093 And I thought, "Yeah, I'll probably beat the kid." 567 00:40:28,176 --> 00:40:30,178 - He smoked me. - [Safinia laughs] 568 00:40:30,220 --> 00:40:32,139 [Gibson] He was so fast. 569 00:40:32,222 --> 00:40:35,934 Think I gave him the part just 'cause he could run like a deer. 570 00:40:45,902 --> 00:40:50,115 [Gibson laughs] Some of these shots. I love the movement coming over... 571 00:40:50,198 --> 00:40:52,784 [Safinia] It's huge, and the fire's in the background. 572 00:40:52,868 --> 00:40:56,121 [Gibson] There's a lot going on, a lot of elements, a lot of elements. 573 00:40:56,204 --> 00:40:59,207 [Safinia] One thing people don't realize when they watch films 574 00:40:59,249 --> 00:41:01,877 is the amount of work required to run a set and the AD crew. 575 00:41:01,918 --> 00:41:02,919 [Gibson] Adrian. 576 00:41:03,003 --> 00:41:06,214 [Safinia] The AD crew is, like, really the unsung heroes of any film 577 00:41:06,256 --> 00:41:09,426 - of this scale and size. - [Gibson] You don't see 'em. 578 00:41:09,509 --> 00:41:12,179 They're constantly at it. I think I said it at... 579 00:41:12,262 --> 00:41:16,141 When the screening happened, I spotted Adrian's bald head in the dark. 580 00:41:16,224 --> 00:41:18,935 - [Safinia laughs] - [Gibson] I said, "Adrian Grunberg, 581 00:41:19,019 --> 00:41:21,772 - hardest working man in Mexico." - [Safinia] Absolutely. 582 00:41:21,813 --> 00:41:24,775 [Gibson] Gotta be true. Never see anybody put so much into it. 583 00:41:24,858 --> 00:41:26,693 That guy was flat-out... 584 00:41:26,777 --> 00:41:29,613 [Safinia] Every single thing we're looking at, in terms of 585 00:41:29,654 --> 00:41:32,366 where people are, what the fires are doing, what... 586 00:41:32,449 --> 00:41:35,619 He's gotta run all that and make it happen at the right time. 587 00:41:35,660 --> 00:41:38,455 - And it's a tough job. - [Gibson] It's like, "More people." 588 00:41:38,497 --> 00:41:42,334 - "OK." Go and get some more people. - [Safinia laughs] Yeah. Yeah. 589 00:41:42,417 --> 00:41:45,962 - [Gibson] I love this shot. - [Safinia] Yeah. She's alone. 590 00:41:49,591 --> 00:41:52,260 [Gibson whispers] The horror is sinking in. 591 00:41:53,136 --> 00:41:56,306 Great the way you just catch her eyes at the bottom there. 592 00:41:58,767 --> 00:42:02,312 - [Gibson] Which is the word for "ma." - [Safinia laughs] 593 00:42:02,354 --> 00:42:05,065 - [Gibson] "Na" means "ma." - [Gibson] Remarkable. 594 00:42:05,148 --> 00:42:08,652 - [Gibson] And "ma" means "no." - [Safinia] That's right. Exactly. 595 00:42:11,988 --> 00:42:14,408 [Gibson] So to say, "No, mother," you say, "Na, ma." 596 00:42:14,491 --> 00:42:16,827 - [Safinia] "Na, ma." - [Gibson] Or, "Ma, na." 597 00:42:21,581 --> 00:42:24,292 [Safinia] That's the kid who smoked you in the parking... 598 00:42:24,334 --> 00:42:26,503 [Gibson] The guy who killed me in a footrace. 599 00:42:26,545 --> 00:42:30,590 - [Safinia] Yeah. - [Gibson] Incredible athlete, this kid. 600 00:42:31,174 --> 00:42:34,386 Nineteen, he just... I think he was... 601 00:42:34,469 --> 00:42:36,721 Worked with a dance troupe or something. 602 00:42:37,472 --> 00:42:39,474 I say, "Come join us." 603 00:42:39,516 --> 00:42:43,728 And he had a very good natural ability with intention with a camera. 604 00:42:43,812 --> 00:42:45,480 It's really nice. 605 00:42:50,610 --> 00:42:54,698 - Oop, there he is, terrified as always. - [Safinia] Yeah. 606 00:42:56,450 --> 00:42:59,119 - [Gibson] Like Lee Marvin there. - [Safinia laughs] 607 00:43:03,540 --> 00:43:08,420 [Safinia] These shots are amazing. That's the jungle in Catemaco. 608 00:43:08,503 --> 00:43:13,049 [Gibson] Yeah. And Technocrane, being able to just come down on that. 609 00:43:14,801 --> 00:43:17,929 You couldn't use the whole shot, because it just takes too long. 610 00:43:18,013 --> 00:43:20,265 But, you know, it's a shame. 611 00:43:20,348 --> 00:43:22,392 [Safinia] You chose this jungle because... 612 00:43:22,476 --> 00:43:24,853 Because you could... It is so thick and lush, 613 00:43:24,895 --> 00:43:27,063 - yet you can see so far. - [Gibson] Into it. 614 00:43:27,105 --> 00:43:29,191 [Safinia] You couldn't in other countries. 615 00:43:29,232 --> 00:43:31,359 In Costa Rica, you can't see as deep as this. 616 00:43:31,401 --> 00:43:34,404 [Gibson] As deep, yeah, and you needed to have depth of field, 617 00:43:34,488 --> 00:43:37,240 and to be able to see things. But that said, 618 00:43:37,282 --> 00:43:40,243 I have to say that the greens department were amazing. 619 00:43:40,285 --> 00:43:43,246 [Safinia] Unbelievable. They are hard-working. 620 00:43:43,330 --> 00:43:47,459 [Gibson] Man, they never stopped. And this kid here, wow, amazing. 621 00:43:48,418 --> 00:43:51,922 - [Safinia] This girl. - [Gibson] Lorena. I was impressed. 622 00:43:51,963 --> 00:43:57,385 She's 11 years old and she lived in Catemaco, you know, 623 00:43:57,427 --> 00:44:01,723 the farmer's daughter, whatever, and had just... 624 00:44:01,765 --> 00:44:04,184 Was just perfectly honest in front of the camera. 625 00:44:04,267 --> 00:44:06,686 - [Safinia] And so beautiful. - [Gibson] Oh, yeah. 626 00:44:06,770 --> 00:44:09,898 She's one of the faces that reminded me of those frozen kids 627 00:44:09,940 --> 00:44:12,108 they found on the mountain... Where was this? 628 00:44:12,192 --> 00:44:16,404 Where did they find 'em? Somewhere in Asia. I can't remember. 629 00:44:17,697 --> 00:44:20,325 - Like near Tibet or something. - [Safinia] Yeah, yeah. 630 00:44:24,162 --> 00:44:27,832 [Safinia] This scene always makes me think of how truly subtle and great 631 00:44:27,916 --> 00:44:29,876 Gerardo is as Middle Eye. 632 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,547 [Gibson] Yeah. Even sorta, like, gags. Oh! 633 00:44:33,630 --> 00:44:37,425 "Look, the poor guy's hurt. Quick." 634 00:44:37,467 --> 00:44:40,554 - Has a drink himself. I mean... - [Safinia laughs] 635 00:44:44,641 --> 00:44:46,977 [Safinia] And Rudy's doing a great job too. 636 00:44:47,018 --> 00:44:49,479 [Gibson] They all are. This guy, out of drama school. 637 00:44:49,563 --> 00:44:53,525 - [Safinia] Israel. - [Gibson] Yeah. From drama school. 638 00:44:53,608 --> 00:44:57,279 There's two Israels on the post, the one down and the one in front of Rudy. 639 00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,780 [Safinia] Yeah. 640 00:45:03,076 --> 00:45:05,620 [Gibson] You call one of 'em, and they both turn up. 641 00:45:05,662 --> 00:45:08,456 [Safinia] They'd both turn and look at you. [laughs] 642 00:45:09,082 --> 00:45:11,960 [Gibson] So we had to find other names for 'em. 643 00:45:12,002 --> 00:45:14,170 - Cocoa. - [Safinia] Cocoa Leaf. 644 00:45:14,254 --> 00:45:16,965 - [Gibson] Cocoa and Smoky. - [Safinia] That's right. 645 00:45:25,265 --> 00:45:27,475 <i>[groaning]</i> 646 00:45:48,121 --> 00:45:49,873 - [Gibson] Love it. - [Safinia] Yeah. 647 00:45:49,956 --> 00:45:53,251 [Gibson] Technocrane again. Look at this shot. Great. 648 00:45:56,463 --> 00:45:59,382 - [Safinia] And again, the music. - [Gibson] Yeah. 649 00:46:01,051 --> 00:46:04,095 - The river wasn't as rough as it looks. - [Safinia] That's right. 650 00:46:04,179 --> 00:46:07,057 [Gibson] We roughed it up. I put some boulders in there 651 00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:09,392 to make it spill, crash a bit. 652 00:46:09,476 --> 00:46:13,897 And we dug a trench so that it would appear deeper. 653 00:46:13,938 --> 00:46:15,940 [Safinia] Right. There's a safety line. 654 00:46:16,024 --> 00:46:19,361 - [Gibson] Everyone's got a safety line. - [Safinia] Just to make sure. 655 00:46:19,402 --> 00:46:22,030 [Gibson] But it looks, uh, looks pretty rugged. 656 00:46:49,599 --> 00:46:52,727 - [Gibson] So great, this actress. - [Safinia] I just love her. 657 00:46:52,769 --> 00:46:55,814 You ought to make every film you ever make with her in it. 658 00:46:55,897 --> 00:46:58,233 [Gibson] I know. It's funny. So dignified too. 659 00:46:58,274 --> 00:47:01,194 [Safinia] Yeah, she really is. And look at that shot. 660 00:47:01,277 --> 00:47:04,656 - [Gibson] Yeah... - [Safinia] Cliff in the background. 661 00:47:06,783 --> 00:47:09,119 - [Gibson] Costa Rica once again. - [Safinia] Yes. 662 00:47:10,745 --> 00:47:12,872 [Gibson] I believe that's the faker hole. 663 00:47:12,956 --> 00:47:14,290 [both laugh] 664 00:47:17,711 --> 00:47:19,629 [Gibson] This wasn't in the script. 665 00:47:19,713 --> 00:47:22,757 [Safinia] No, you came up with this just the day before 666 00:47:22,799 --> 00:47:24,092 we were going to shoot it. 667 00:47:24,134 --> 00:47:26,720 You said, "You know, I think they do this thing with..." 668 00:47:26,803 --> 00:47:30,306 - [Gibson] Ants. - [Safinia] To suture wounds, yeah. 669 00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:32,392 - Soldier ants. - [Safinia] We looked it up. 670 00:47:32,475 --> 00:47:33,643 They used to do it... 671 00:47:33,727 --> 00:47:38,398 As far back as ancient Egypt they actually used to use various forms 672 00:47:38,481 --> 00:47:43,486 of army ants, 'cause the ant would clamp down shut around the wound. 673 00:47:43,570 --> 00:47:47,407 And you just cut its head off, and you'd have a suture right there. 674 00:47:47,490 --> 00:47:48,700 - Hmm. - [Safinia] And... 675 00:47:48,783 --> 00:47:50,827 [Gibson] Mezzo-American natives still do. 676 00:47:50,910 --> 00:47:52,662 - [Safinia] Right. - [Gibson] Some. 677 00:47:52,704 --> 00:47:54,664 [Safinia] In the Amazon too. 678 00:47:55,248 --> 00:47:57,125 - He's wonderful. - [Gibson] The kid. 679 00:47:57,167 --> 00:47:59,669 - [Safinia] Carlos. - [Gibson] Four years old, yeah. 680 00:47:59,753 --> 00:48:04,340 - [Safinia] Carlito. Yeah, he'd... - [Safinia laughs] 681 00:48:04,382 --> 00:48:06,426 - [Gibson] Look at that. - [Safinia] Yeah. 682 00:48:06,509 --> 00:48:07,677 [Gibson] Yeah. 683 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,346 I said, "Don't cry, but you don't like it. Be brave." 684 00:48:10,388 --> 00:48:12,307 - [Safinia] Yeah. - [Gibson laughs] 685 00:48:26,321 --> 00:48:29,574 [Gibson] Oof. Boy, this was hot. 686 00:48:29,657 --> 00:48:32,202 - [Safinia] This was hot. - [Gibson] 135 degrees. 687 00:48:32,243 --> 00:48:36,164 - [Safinia] That wall behind them... - [Gibson] Like an oven, cooking. 688 00:48:36,206 --> 00:48:38,249 - [Safinia] Cooking. - [Gibson] These guys. 689 00:48:38,333 --> 00:48:42,253 Even these guys, with their wonderful sorta brown complexions, 690 00:48:42,337 --> 00:48:45,173 - even they got sunburned. - [Safinia] They did. You can see it 691 00:48:45,215 --> 00:48:47,050 on a couple of them. 692 00:48:48,092 --> 00:48:51,304 [Safinia] We should make a quick mention here of Ted Rae's job 693 00:48:51,387 --> 00:48:53,932 because this scene is one in which a lot of these guys 694 00:48:54,015 --> 00:48:56,476 are wearing wires so that they wouldn't fall over. 695 00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:59,312 And, um, a lot of the special effects done in this film 696 00:48:59,395 --> 00:49:02,398 were to remove wires and things like that. And you just... 697 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,568 It's so seamless if you look at it now, that, you know, 698 00:49:05,610 --> 00:49:08,696 he and his team did a really wonderful job with that. 699 00:49:10,573 --> 00:49:14,244 [Gibson] Yeah, all the falls, all the dangling over a high spot. 700 00:49:14,285 --> 00:49:16,287 All safe. Looks precarious. That's good. 701 00:49:16,371 --> 00:49:18,039 [Safinia] Yeah. 702 00:49:22,794 --> 00:49:25,088 [laughter] 703 00:49:26,673 --> 00:49:30,426 [Safinia] In case you didn't know Middle Eye was crazy, here he is again. 704 00:49:30,510 --> 00:49:33,429 [Gibson] Yeah. He's a sociopath. It's Frank Sinatra. 705 00:49:33,513 --> 00:49:35,723 [Safinia laughs] 706 00:49:38,476 --> 00:49:40,937 [Safinia laughs] That makes me laugh. 707 00:49:41,020 --> 00:49:42,313 [Gibson] I know. 708 00:49:43,815 --> 00:49:45,942 <i>[screaming]</i> 709 00:49:54,033 --> 00:49:57,078 [Safinia] I remember you were telling Gerardo to look at this 710 00:49:57,120 --> 00:50:01,082 as though a beautiful daisy was flowering in the spring. 711 00:50:01,124 --> 00:50:04,210 - That was your direction to him. - [Gibson] Yeah. 712 00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:08,673 [Gibson] At his handiwork after he pushed the guy off? 713 00:50:08,756 --> 00:50:10,592 Yeah, look at that flower. 714 00:50:10,633 --> 00:50:13,469 - [Safinia] Oh. - [Gibson] It's nice. Ugh. 715 00:50:15,597 --> 00:50:17,640 <i>[panting]</i> 716 00:50:27,817 --> 00:50:29,152 [Safinia] Deeply troubled. 717 00:50:29,235 --> 00:50:31,195 [Gibson] That wasn't as good as I thought. 718 00:50:31,279 --> 00:50:32,363 [Safinia] Exactly 719 00:50:32,447 --> 00:50:36,326 [Gibson] It's like, "Oh, well, next episode." 720 00:50:46,961 --> 00:50:48,838 [Gibson] Oop, the dad's here. 721 00:51:13,154 --> 00:51:16,240 - [Gibson] Pauses were important. - [Safinia] Mm-hm. 722 00:51:26,584 --> 00:51:29,963 [Safinia laughs] Just great. 723 00:51:36,594 --> 00:51:39,389 [Safinia laughs] Most of it is not speaking, you know. 724 00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:42,892 [Gibson] It's just looking at him. He's like boring holes. I love it. 725 00:51:51,317 --> 00:51:52,944 [Safinia] The knife. 726 00:51:54,612 --> 00:51:56,781 That's the first time you see that knife. 727 00:51:57,740 --> 00:52:00,326 - [Gibson] It's not. - [Safinia] Saw it in the village? 728 00:52:00,410 --> 00:52:03,830 [Gibson] Yeah. I think he sliced and diced somebody there. 729 00:52:03,913 --> 00:52:05,081 [Safinia] He does, yes. 730 00:52:05,164 --> 00:52:08,418 - [Gibson] So you know he's handy. - [Safinia] Knows how to use it. 731 00:52:08,501 --> 00:52:11,921 I love the way you didn't put a subtitle on that. It's not necessary. 732 00:52:11,963 --> 00:52:14,549 Everybody knows what he's saying when he goes, "No." 733 00:52:30,606 --> 00:52:34,485 - [Gibson] He threw that one in extra. - [Safinia] Yeah, he did. 734 00:52:34,569 --> 00:52:37,864 <i>[groaning, straining]</i> 735 00:52:47,206 --> 00:52:49,167 <i>[woman singing]</i> 736 00:52:49,250 --> 00:52:52,336 - [Gibson] Miriam's lullaby. - [Safinia] Hmm. 737 00:52:54,672 --> 00:52:59,135 [Safinia] This is an old... It's an old Zapotecan lullaby that we translated 738 00:52:59,218 --> 00:53:04,182 into Yucatec Mayan and goes... 739 00:53:04,265 --> 00:53:06,684 It's a very, very old lullaby. 740 00:53:08,227 --> 00:53:13,441 Something about how the kids will play when the parents are away or something. 741 00:53:19,113 --> 00:53:22,408 <i>[woman continues singing]</i> 742 00:53:37,173 --> 00:53:39,425 [Gibson] That guy talking is named Richard Can. 743 00:53:39,509 --> 00:53:42,553 He's from... Is he from the Yucatan? 744 00:53:42,637 --> 00:53:47,183 - [Safinia] He is, yes. - [Gibson] He speaks fluent Yucatec 745 00:53:47,225 --> 00:53:49,852 and is a kindergarten teacher, and he looks vicious. 746 00:53:49,936 --> 00:53:53,815 [Safinia] Very vicious, yeah. Very nice guy though. 747 00:53:53,856 --> 00:53:55,566 - [Gibson] Hell. - [Safinia laughs] 748 00:53:55,650 --> 00:53:58,236 - He's not vicious at all. - [Gibson] Oh. Mr. Can? 749 00:53:58,319 --> 00:53:59,862 [Safinia] Yeah. 750 00:54:07,203 --> 00:54:10,665 [Safinia] I remember the makeup artists were having all sorts of trouble 751 00:54:10,706 --> 00:54:14,585 because the prosthetic part of the ears of these characters 752 00:54:14,669 --> 00:54:16,295 didn't have blood, obviously. 753 00:54:16,379 --> 00:54:20,049 So when the firelight's shining behind it you couldn't see any red. 754 00:54:20,133 --> 00:54:23,177 So they actually had to put fake red pigments in these ears 755 00:54:23,219 --> 00:54:25,680 to make them look real. That's the level of detail 756 00:54:25,721 --> 00:54:29,308 to which they went to make everything look so real. 757 00:54:43,447 --> 00:54:45,908 [Safinia laughs] 758 00:54:47,201 --> 00:54:49,162 [Gibson] You could get busted, Farhad. 759 00:54:49,245 --> 00:54:50,246 [Safinia laughs] 760 00:55:10,349 --> 00:55:13,769 [Safinia] This is another one of those great moments with Jonathan. 761 00:55:17,356 --> 00:55:21,152 [Gibson] Yeah, I love the profile shot and the flames. 762 00:55:43,633 --> 00:55:46,844 [Safinia] It's so beautifully lit, and all by fire. 763 00:55:46,928 --> 00:55:48,304 [Gibson] Yeah. 764 00:56:31,931 --> 00:56:34,225 [Gibson] It's kinda like the end of act one. 765 00:56:34,308 --> 00:56:36,352 [Safinia] Yeah, I know. It is. 766 00:56:36,435 --> 00:56:40,022 And it's so great how you immediately go into this new setup, you know, 767 00:56:40,064 --> 00:56:42,275 this new environment. 768 00:56:46,529 --> 00:56:48,948 [Gibson] And devastation of the landscape. 769 00:56:50,825 --> 00:56:52,743 You say, "How come there's no trees?" 770 00:56:52,827 --> 00:56:55,413 - [Safinia] Yeah. - [Gibson] You go, "Oh, this is why." 771 00:56:55,496 --> 00:56:57,039 [Safinia laughs] 772 00:57:00,543 --> 00:57:04,338 [Gibson] A big setup this one, the special effects guys. 773 00:57:04,380 --> 00:57:08,551 - [Safinia] They built that tree, yeah. - [Gibson] Whew. Yeah. It's a... 774 00:57:08,634 --> 00:57:09,635 [Safinia] Real. 775 00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:15,433 [Gibson] Something on a hinge they could drop. Amazing. Impactful. 776 00:57:15,516 --> 00:57:18,978 [Safinia] I think what you were willing to go with here, 777 00:57:19,061 --> 00:57:22,481 in terms of telling the story visually, what they were doing to themselves 778 00:57:22,565 --> 00:57:25,901 from a industrial perspective and... is really great. 779 00:57:25,985 --> 00:57:27,945 Because you never really stop. 780 00:57:28,029 --> 00:57:31,866 Nobody ever stops to really explain anything in terms of exposition. 781 00:57:31,907 --> 00:57:34,910 You're just watching a series of visuals 782 00:57:34,952 --> 00:57:37,747 that tell you a story of what they were up to, you know, 783 00:57:37,830 --> 00:57:40,249 - what they were doing. - [Gibson] You get land, 784 00:57:40,333 --> 00:57:44,587 and then you get people affected by it. They're ill. 785 00:57:44,670 --> 00:57:47,006 They have lesions for some reason. 786 00:57:48,591 --> 00:57:51,719 They were... And there were periods during Maya, 787 00:57:51,761 --> 00:57:54,180 sort of rise and fall of their civilizations 788 00:57:54,263 --> 00:57:58,726 in which disease would come and be one of the factors that eventually would 789 00:57:58,768 --> 00:58:03,689 precipitate the downfall. Um... Who knows where these came from? 790 00:58:03,773 --> 00:58:07,902 It could be from a combination of bad malnourishment or lack of food, 791 00:58:07,943 --> 00:58:11,280 - hygiene. - [Gibson] Hygiene. All sorts of stuff. 792 00:58:13,699 --> 00:58:17,703 This little kid was amazing. She's a little girl from the Yucatec. 793 00:58:17,787 --> 00:58:19,789 She only spoke Mayan. 794 00:58:19,872 --> 00:58:25,336 She came from a very primitive village. Very sweet kid. 795 00:58:25,419 --> 00:58:27,797 - [Safinia] Seven years old. - [Gibson] I chose her, 796 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,216 because, look at her. I mean, just look at her. 797 00:58:30,299 --> 00:58:34,970 She's like an old soul. She's seven years old, but she's like an old soul. 798 00:58:36,138 --> 00:58:38,724 She used to have 799 00:58:38,808 --> 00:58:42,812 millennium of knowledge back there. It's like kinda spooky. 800 00:58:51,654 --> 00:58:53,572 - [Safinia] Brave girl. - [Gibson] Yeah. 801 00:58:53,656 --> 00:58:55,699 [Safinia] Didn't know about filmmaking... 802 00:58:55,783 --> 00:58:58,536 - [Gibson] Anything. - [Safinia] ...had never seen a floor 803 00:58:58,619 --> 00:59:02,248 - and a car or a road or anything. - [Gibson] Or an ice cream. 804 00:59:02,331 --> 00:59:05,418 [Safinia] And here she was and doing all this stuff. 805 00:59:07,837 --> 00:59:10,005 Now this sequence with the prophecy, 806 00:59:10,047 --> 00:59:14,260 this is actually something that was very true to research that we did 807 00:59:14,343 --> 00:59:17,012 that came from the <i>Popul Vuh</i> and other sources. 808 00:59:17,054 --> 00:59:21,183 The Mayans, as a people, were very much obsessed almost 809 00:59:21,225 --> 00:59:24,562 with predicting and prophesizing 810 00:59:24,645 --> 00:59:29,483 the rise and the fall of their times. And who knows? 811 00:59:29,525 --> 00:59:32,445 Once you become so obsessed with something prophetic, 812 00:59:32,528 --> 00:59:37,032 whether it's self-fulfilling or whether it's genuinely 813 00:59:37,116 --> 00:59:40,035 a prophecy of the future. 814 00:59:40,077 --> 00:59:43,038 But she gives 'em a few clues as to what the countdown is 815 00:59:43,122 --> 00:59:46,792 from a mythic perspective. 816 00:59:48,419 --> 00:59:52,047 [Gibson] And I always thought that because she was so close to death 817 00:59:52,089 --> 00:59:56,218 and that they were leaving her out there to die... 818 00:59:56,302 --> 00:59:59,972 ...that she had some kind of link to the beyond. 819 01:00:01,223 --> 01:00:03,350 - It's spooky. - [Safinia] You asked her... 820 01:00:03,392 --> 01:00:06,479 You really tried very hard, even though she was only seven, 821 01:00:06,562 --> 01:00:09,982 to get her to switch into a different mode here as she said these lines, 822 01:00:10,065 --> 01:00:13,444 as opposed to just being a regular kid crying, you know. 823 01:00:13,527 --> 01:00:15,237 [Gibson] Yeah. 824 01:00:18,449 --> 01:00:20,618 [Safinia] And they're a little worried. 825 01:00:22,411 --> 01:00:25,748 [Gibson] Yeah, I'd leave too. I mean, that is disturbing. 826 01:00:25,789 --> 01:00:27,708 - [Safinia] Back away. - [both laugh] 827 01:00:36,425 --> 01:00:40,387 [Gibson] That someone so little could, you know, speak to them like that. 828 01:00:40,429 --> 01:00:41,889 [Safinia] Yeah. 829 01:00:41,931 --> 01:00:44,934 [Gibson] They were very superstitious, and they would have... 830 01:00:45,017 --> 01:00:49,605 [Safinia] They would have believed that and looked for those signs then. 831 01:00:51,982 --> 01:00:55,569 [Gibson] Even if they didn't believe it wholly, they'd be disturbed by it. 832 01:00:55,611 --> 01:00:57,947 - [Safinia] Would be, yes. - [Gibson laughs] 833 01:00:57,988 --> 01:01:01,784 - Ah, yes, the lime quarry. - [Safinia] Yeah. 834 01:01:01,825 --> 01:01:04,078 [Gibson] The logs from trees that get chopped. 835 01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:06,163 [Safinia] Right. This is visual storytelling 836 01:01:06,247 --> 01:01:10,125 that we just saw these trees being cut and burnt down. 837 01:01:10,209 --> 01:01:12,503 And what are they doing with the wood? 838 01:01:12,586 --> 01:01:14,964 [Gibson] They're heating up a bunch of rocks... 839 01:01:16,966 --> 01:01:20,010 - ...so that they can pulverize it. - [Safinia laughs] 840 01:01:20,094 --> 01:01:22,429 [Gibson] Turn it into white powder which they cart 841 01:01:22,471 --> 01:01:27,142 into their cities and make a slurry of. 842 01:01:27,476 --> 01:01:32,106 [Safinia] Now this is all a real set. This is all completely built. 843 01:01:38,654 --> 01:01:42,283 - This was my favorite set. - [Gibson] Beautiful, yeah. 844 01:01:42,324 --> 01:01:47,162 [Safinia] Just the way they constructed this to make it feel 845 01:01:47,204 --> 01:01:48,998 - like you have... - [Gibson] Nothing. 846 01:01:49,081 --> 01:01:51,542 [Safinia] ...devastation right into the horizon. 847 01:01:51,625 --> 01:01:54,044 [Gibson] And with the deforestation, of course, 848 01:01:54,128 --> 01:01:56,171 the rains would come and wash the topsoil. 849 01:01:56,255 --> 01:02:00,009 - [Safinia] That's right. - [Gibson] The clay and less desirable 850 01:02:00,050 --> 01:02:04,513 kind of growing stuff would run off into the arability of their fields 851 01:02:04,597 --> 01:02:09,476 and start to make their crops not yield, be unhealthy. 852 01:02:10,519 --> 01:02:12,605 [Safinia] Because this earth here at the... 853 01:02:12,688 --> 01:02:14,982 Was so thin, everything would run out. 854 01:02:15,024 --> 01:02:17,568 [Gibson] Yeah, and all to build the temples bigger. 855 01:02:17,651 --> 01:02:18,902 [Safinia] Yeah. 856 01:02:18,986 --> 01:02:21,238 [Gibson] They burned trees to heat rocks to pulverize 857 01:02:21,322 --> 01:02:25,200 to make the temples big, kill their crops, everyone would get diseases. 858 01:02:27,036 --> 01:02:30,706 [Safinia] Here's that sediment washing 859 01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:33,751 into their fields, crops. 860 01:02:36,795 --> 01:02:40,883 And almost instantly, you see the famine that's associated with that. 861 01:02:42,134 --> 01:02:45,262 - [Gibson] There are wonderful faces. - [Safinia] Yeah. 862 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,894 [Safinia] This was historically genuinely the way that these cities 863 01:02:51,935 --> 01:02:54,647 were in that the remnants of them that we have today 864 01:02:54,730 --> 01:02:58,317 are these large stone edifices. 865 01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,111 But at the time, at their height, they had huts... 866 01:03:01,195 --> 01:03:03,155 [Gibson] All sorts of peripheral stuff. 867 01:03:03,238 --> 01:03:05,658 [Safinia] And shanty towns all over the outskirts 868 01:03:05,741 --> 01:03:09,161 and the poor trying to survive on the outskirts and the edges. 869 01:03:09,411 --> 01:03:12,581 [Gibson] Abel, one of the famous character actors in Mexico. 870 01:03:12,665 --> 01:03:16,669 When I met him he was a robust man, and by the time we wanted to film him, 871 01:03:16,752 --> 01:03:19,254 he was... He had very short time to live. 872 01:03:19,338 --> 01:03:23,258 But he wanted, with everything he had, to do this part. 873 01:03:37,439 --> 01:03:41,443 [Safinia] Here they are moving closer and closer to the heart of the city. 874 01:03:41,485 --> 01:03:44,446 - [Gibson] Getting more prosperous. - [Safinia] You can see 875 01:03:44,530 --> 01:03:48,951 a little more trade going on, a little more of the industry 876 01:03:48,992 --> 01:03:50,494 that we know they had. 877 01:03:50,577 --> 01:03:53,831 [Gibson] There was a scene, in that last scene where there was nothing, 878 01:03:53,914 --> 01:03:57,084 except for there was this one green plant that a guy was watering, 879 01:03:57,126 --> 01:03:59,795 which I thought was... I just thought it was hilarious. 880 01:03:59,878 --> 01:04:01,547 [Safinia] Right. I remember. 881 01:04:01,630 --> 01:04:04,341 [Gibson] You only see it for a second. 882 01:04:04,425 --> 01:04:07,803 [Safinia] And this is where Tom Sanders' set really is shining, 883 01:04:07,886 --> 01:04:13,809 because the depth of the set, you could shoot in any direction you wanted, yeah. 884 01:04:13,892 --> 01:04:17,771 [Gibson] And it just kept going. There was industry. 885 01:04:18,772 --> 01:04:21,191 It had meaning and a purpose. There were districts, 886 01:04:21,275 --> 01:04:24,820 like this is the garment district. And it was like that. 887 01:04:24,862 --> 01:04:26,488 It was really amazing. 888 01:04:27,656 --> 01:04:32,369 And these are just some people from Veracruz that you find. 889 01:04:32,453 --> 01:04:33,996 They're just... Look at them. 890 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:36,707 These extras, they're beautiful, and they really... 891 01:04:36,790 --> 01:04:39,668 - They really put out emotionally. - [Safinia] Right. 892 01:04:45,507 --> 01:04:48,218 [Safinia] The dyers, the dye makers, and... 893 01:04:50,846 --> 01:04:53,849 - [Gibson] The goat head corner. - [Safinia] Right. And I love... 894 01:04:53,932 --> 01:04:56,935 I love the little vignettes you put in here with, you know, 895 01:04:57,019 --> 01:04:59,313 telling a little story here and there all the time 896 01:04:59,354 --> 01:05:04,151 about the kind of environment we're in, where things aren't quite so good. 897 01:05:04,193 --> 01:05:05,569 [Gibson] Yeah. 898 01:05:12,701 --> 01:05:16,580 [Safinia] This is the end point for the lime powder that they've been carrying 899 01:05:16,663 --> 01:05:18,916 - from the quarry. - [Gibson] You see what they do. 900 01:05:18,999 --> 01:05:21,376 [Safinia] They're applying to palaces and temples. 901 01:05:21,460 --> 01:05:23,712 [Gibson] It was used as flooring and roads... 902 01:05:23,796 --> 01:05:28,467 [Safinia] Right. They covered roads with feet deep thick of lime plaster. 903 01:05:28,550 --> 01:05:30,636 [Gibson] Conspicuous consumption. 904 01:05:32,513 --> 01:05:35,599 [Safinia] Do you remember the choosing of this pigment? 905 01:05:35,682 --> 01:05:38,977 The makeup team came to you and said... They gave you three choices 906 01:05:39,061 --> 01:05:40,979 - for the blue that... - [Gibson] Four. 907 01:05:41,063 --> 01:05:42,147 [Safinia] Right. 908 01:05:42,231 --> 01:05:45,609 [Gibson] They said, "Which one do you like?" And I said, "That one." 909 01:05:45,692 --> 01:05:46,944 [Safinia] It was the one. 910 01:05:47,027 --> 01:05:49,780 [Gibson] That was the pigment, the shade that they had used. 911 01:05:49,863 --> 01:05:52,115 [Safinia] Actually used. Yeah, they used to coat 912 01:05:52,199 --> 01:05:55,494 the sacrificial victims in this particular shade of blue 913 01:05:55,577 --> 01:05:58,121 to earmark them for that purpose. 914 01:06:06,630 --> 01:06:10,092 [Gibson] Whew, boy, remember how hot this place was? 915 01:06:14,596 --> 01:06:17,140 [Safinia] What's remarkable here in these sequences 916 01:06:17,224 --> 01:06:21,436 is there isn't one false image anywhere, or false visual. 917 01:06:21,478 --> 01:06:25,023 All the extras, as deep, as far as back you can go in the background 918 01:06:25,107 --> 01:06:28,569 have the right makeup, the right prosthetics, 919 01:06:28,610 --> 01:06:31,947 the right clothing to really sell this to you. 920 01:06:32,030 --> 01:06:33,949 And that's an enormous job. 921 01:06:34,032 --> 01:06:37,661 The makeup teams, during these sequences, had to start literally 922 01:06:37,744 --> 01:06:40,372 at midnight every day, so that by 8:00, 923 01:06:40,455 --> 01:06:44,668 when we were going to shoot, they had enough people ready to go 924 01:06:44,751 --> 01:06:46,628 with all the right kind of... 925 01:06:46,712 --> 01:06:50,048 [Gibson] The makeup team was like 300, 400 strong sometimes, 926 01:06:50,132 --> 01:06:52,759 many of them students from Mexico City. 927 01:06:52,801 --> 01:06:55,637 - [Safinia] Many students. - [Gibson] Wonderful work. 928 01:06:57,806 --> 01:07:00,225 They'll never work on a show with this makeup again. 929 01:07:00,309 --> 01:07:02,269 [Safinia] Never, no. 930 01:07:02,311 --> 01:07:06,607 Because it was more just the sheer will to do this. 931 01:07:06,648 --> 01:07:10,235 [Gibson] My hat's off to those guys. They worked harder than... 932 01:07:10,986 --> 01:07:15,115 Whew, look at this. Scarification on the foreheads. Unbelievable stuff. 933 01:07:15,157 --> 01:07:16,783 [Safinia] Jade jewelry. 934 01:07:16,825 --> 01:07:18,827 - [Gibson] Jade teeth. - [Safinia] Teeth. 935 01:07:18,869 --> 01:07:22,497 [Gibson] Inlays in their teeth. Look at this. 936 01:07:22,581 --> 01:07:26,335 Paint, tattoos, scarifications, everything. 937 01:07:32,424 --> 01:07:35,344 [Safinia] That man was cast for his laughing ability. 938 01:07:35,427 --> 01:07:38,263 [Gibson laughs] Yeah. 939 01:07:43,936 --> 01:07:47,940 [Gibson] And the slave trader are both real Mayans. 940 01:07:49,691 --> 01:07:52,986 But the woman slave trader was our dialogue coach, 941 01:07:53,028 --> 01:07:57,032 the most demure little woman, shy. 942 01:07:57,115 --> 01:08:01,536 And then when she got to be the slave trader she became this callous harridan 943 01:08:01,578 --> 01:08:05,791 who was trading in human misery. 944 01:08:06,541 --> 01:08:09,252 [Safinia] Miriam Tun. Everybody knows about you, Miriam. 945 01:08:09,336 --> 01:08:11,546 - [Gibson] Yeah. - [Safinia laughs] 946 01:08:25,602 --> 01:08:30,399 [Gibson] A lot of this bamboo and kind of woodwork that they did 947 01:08:30,440 --> 01:08:34,987 that go upon the stone was really great. 948 01:08:35,070 --> 01:08:39,157 And it must have been there. It was there to be... 949 01:08:54,589 --> 01:08:57,009 - [Safinia] I love how packed it is. - [Gibson] Yeah. 950 01:08:57,092 --> 01:09:00,262 - [Safinia] How deep you see. - [Gibson] This was almost nighttime. 951 01:09:00,345 --> 01:09:02,556 [Safinia] Yes. Dean Semler, light magician. 952 01:09:02,597 --> 01:09:05,517 [Gibson] Yeah, and he threw a light back there. 953 01:09:06,643 --> 01:09:08,437 Amazing. 954 01:09:09,271 --> 01:09:12,441 But this, look at this stuff, the light in here. 955 01:09:12,482 --> 01:09:14,317 - [Safinia] Yeah. - [Gibson] Whew! 956 01:09:20,032 --> 01:09:21,992 [Safinia] These are the murals we chose 957 01:09:22,075 --> 01:09:25,787 that were from San Bartolomé, which were a discovery that was quite recent, 958 01:09:25,871 --> 01:09:28,540 only during the pre-production of the film. 959 01:09:28,623 --> 01:09:31,251 And we chose to go with them 960 01:09:31,293 --> 01:09:34,546 because they were so evocative of what we were trying to tell. 961 01:09:34,629 --> 01:09:36,965 [Gibson] Not only that, but we'd painted murals. 962 01:09:37,049 --> 01:09:40,469 - We replaced them with these. - [Safinia] 'Cause the discoveries... 963 01:09:40,510 --> 01:09:45,307 [Gibson] The colors and the images. So it was pretty cool. 964 01:09:48,769 --> 01:09:51,396 - Yeah, the reveal. - [Safinia] The big reveal. 965 01:09:51,480 --> 01:09:55,901 [Gibson] Yeah. And all the buildings you see... 966 01:09:56,943 --> 01:09:59,696 ...in the foreground, one, two, three, four. 967 01:09:59,780 --> 01:10:02,449 There were four real buildings in that shot. 968 01:10:02,491 --> 01:10:04,326 [Safinia] In that shot, yeah. 969 01:10:04,409 --> 01:10:07,079 - [Gibson] That's real. - [Safinia] Everything's real. 970 01:10:09,331 --> 01:10:12,167 [Gibson] And a cast of what seems like thousands. 971 01:10:12,250 --> 01:10:13,710 [Safinia laughs] 972 01:10:27,682 --> 01:10:30,143 [Gibson] Dancing people. I love the way they looked. 973 01:10:30,185 --> 01:10:33,814 Their hair and everything. They're kinda spooky. 974 01:10:39,444 --> 01:10:42,447 [Safinia] There are some very detailed accounts of this stuff, 975 01:10:42,531 --> 01:10:46,368 this kind of ritualized sacrificial ceremony occurring right up 976 01:10:46,409 --> 01:10:48,203 until the arrival of the Europeans. 977 01:10:48,286 --> 01:10:52,332 In fact, we have firsthand European accounts of these types of ceremonies 978 01:10:52,374 --> 01:10:55,127 in a book by Diego de Landa. 979 01:10:55,210 --> 01:10:58,505 But it describes the various ceremonies they engaged in 980 01:10:58,547 --> 01:11:02,217 and specific ones in which there was human sacrifice 981 01:11:02,300 --> 01:11:04,719 in the form of cardiectomies, or removal of hearts. 982 01:11:04,803 --> 01:11:05,929 [Gibson] Yeah. 983 01:11:06,012 --> 01:11:09,391 [Safinia] And they were for various purposes, to appease the gods, 984 01:11:09,432 --> 01:11:13,270 to appeal for better crops for a good year, 985 01:11:13,353 --> 01:11:15,647 - so on and so forth. - [Gibson] Or for suffering 986 01:11:15,730 --> 01:11:19,484 to appease the gods. Just, you know, bloodletting for the sake of it. 987 01:11:19,568 --> 01:11:21,570 They used to bloodlet on themselves. 988 01:11:21,611 --> 01:11:24,406 [Safinia] This platform you saw with the head spikes in them 989 01:11:24,489 --> 01:11:27,284 is a take from Chichén Itzá. 990 01:11:27,367 --> 01:11:30,287 And the platforms, the square type platforms, are very much 991 01:11:30,370 --> 01:11:33,748 post-classic architecture that we put in here 992 01:11:33,832 --> 01:11:36,626 because the period of the film obviously is set at that time. 993 01:11:36,710 --> 01:11:38,837 [Gibson] There is a mixture of architecture. 994 01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:40,338 [Safinia] Correct. There is. 995 01:11:40,422 --> 01:11:43,925 The pyramid styles are mostly classic, and they helped more. 996 01:11:43,967 --> 01:11:45,719 I remember you making that choice 997 01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,638 because it was much better for the composition of the frame 998 01:11:48,722 --> 01:11:52,017 to have these high-rising pyramids that were really overpowering 999 01:11:52,100 --> 01:11:55,145 the central characters of our story and terrifying them, 1000 01:11:55,228 --> 01:11:57,397 as opposed to the more squat, flat pyramids 1001 01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:00,901 that existed in the post-classic period. 1002 01:12:00,942 --> 01:12:03,945 [Gibson] But we did introduce post-classic elements to them. 1003 01:12:04,029 --> 01:12:06,615 - [Safinia] Like... - [Gibson] The intricacy of the top. 1004 01:12:06,698 --> 01:12:09,868 [Safinia] And the snake head that you see at the top, yeah. 1005 01:12:09,951 --> 01:12:11,995 And here, this is my favorite VFX shot. 1006 01:12:12,078 --> 01:12:13,079 [Gibson] I love it. 1007 01:12:13,121 --> 01:12:16,291 [Safinia] When you see that city in the background. Oh! 1008 01:12:16,374 --> 01:12:17,959 [Gibson] Just for an instant. 1009 01:12:18,043 --> 01:12:21,129 [Safinia] That's all you need to make people realize these cities 1010 01:12:21,171 --> 01:12:24,216 would go on for as far as the eye could see. 1011 01:12:24,299 --> 01:12:26,801 [Gibson] There's better shots coming up. 1012 01:12:26,885 --> 01:12:31,473 This guy. Now Farhad found this guy 'cause we didn't have a king. 1013 01:12:31,556 --> 01:12:33,308 They kept bringing guys from the gym. 1014 01:12:33,350 --> 01:12:36,770 And they were very nice guys, but they looked like guys from the gym. 1015 01:12:36,811 --> 01:12:39,231 I said, "I need a guy that I wanna know in one look, 1016 01:12:39,314 --> 01:12:41,983 'cause he doesn't say anything, why he's the king." 1017 01:12:42,067 --> 01:12:44,653 Farhad went to the docks and brought me back three guys, 1018 01:12:44,736 --> 01:12:47,530 and, by golly, he had the king with him. 1019 01:12:47,614 --> 01:12:49,199 [Safinia] That was a funny day. 1020 01:12:49,282 --> 01:12:53,328 [Gibson] He wanted to know on sight he murdered his brother for the job. 1021 01:12:53,370 --> 01:12:55,997 - [Safinia] He's got that look. - [Gibson] Got that look. 1022 01:12:56,039 --> 01:12:59,167 - [Safinia] What did you call it? - [Gibson] Sneer of cold command. 1023 01:12:59,251 --> 01:13:00,835 [Safinia] Sneer of cold command. 1024 01:13:00,919 --> 01:13:03,755 [Gibson] I borrowed that from Percy Bysshe Shelley, 1025 01:13:03,838 --> 01:13:05,840 <i>- Ozymandias.</i> - [Safinia] That's right. 1026 01:13:05,882 --> 01:13:08,635 [Gibson] The sneer of cold command. 1027 01:13:08,677 --> 01:13:13,056 - But he certainly had it. - [Safinia] Yeah, he did. 1028 01:13:13,139 --> 01:13:15,141 - [Gibson] Green eyes. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1029 01:13:15,183 --> 01:13:17,852 - [Gibson] Almost Egyptian. - [Safinia] Yeah, yeah. 1030 01:13:19,980 --> 01:13:22,774 [Safinia] Look at that, as far as the eye can see. 1031 01:13:28,446 --> 01:13:31,074 [Safinia] He couldn't have been better. He just... 1032 01:13:31,157 --> 01:13:32,993 - [Gibson] This guy? - [Safinia] Yeah. 1033 01:13:33,034 --> 01:13:36,371 - [Gibson] The politician. - [Safinia] Absolutely. 1034 01:13:36,454 --> 01:13:39,040 - [Gibson] Who does he remind you of? - [Safinia laughs] 1035 01:13:39,124 --> 01:13:41,376 - Which century? - [Gibson] Which congressman? 1036 01:13:41,418 --> 01:13:43,878 - [Safinia] That's right. - [both laugh] 1037 01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:46,715 [Safinia] Throughout every century, every civilization, 1038 01:13:46,756 --> 01:13:50,176 there's always one of these guys up there doing his little thing. 1039 01:13:50,218 --> 01:13:54,139 [Gibson] I mean, we told them to watch the tapes of Mussolini 1040 01:13:54,222 --> 01:13:57,767 and the dictator Hitler and just look at their ugly body language 1041 01:13:57,851 --> 01:13:59,561 - and that... - [Safinia] Right. 1042 01:13:59,602 --> 01:14:02,480 - [Gibson] And it was... - [Safinia] It's the demagoguery, 1043 01:14:02,564 --> 01:14:05,191 - the ability to whip... - [Gibson] There's Mussolini. 1044 01:14:05,233 --> 01:14:07,110 - Perfect. - [Safinia] He's loving it. 1045 01:14:07,193 --> 01:14:10,572 They're both exchanging these looks of, yeah... 1046 01:14:10,655 --> 01:14:13,241 They're whipping the crowd up into a frenzy. 1047 01:14:25,795 --> 01:14:28,465 [Gibson] All these people down here, they're folks, 1048 01:14:28,548 --> 01:14:31,384 regular working folks from Veracruz. They got so into it. 1049 01:14:31,426 --> 01:14:34,387 They were so cooperative, so uncomplaining, 1050 01:14:34,429 --> 01:14:39,601 - and honestly, they were wonderful. - [Safinia] One thing to notice... 1051 01:14:39,642 --> 01:14:43,146 [Gibson] I really found out a lot about the people of Mexico from this. 1052 01:14:43,229 --> 01:14:45,190 They're so gracious. 1053 01:14:46,024 --> 01:14:47,609 Amazing. They just went for it. 1054 01:14:47,692 --> 01:14:51,196 They just went for it, you know. It's great. 1055 01:14:51,279 --> 01:14:53,823 <i>[crowd cheering]</i> 1056 01:14:59,871 --> 01:15:01,956 [Gibson] It was not comfortable. It was hot. 1057 01:15:01,998 --> 01:15:04,417 - [Safinia] It was very hot. - [Gibson] Scorching. 1058 01:15:04,459 --> 01:15:07,379 [Safinia] We had to have little Red Cross tents 1059 01:15:07,462 --> 01:15:10,298 with air conditioners in them so that people could cool down. 1060 01:15:10,382 --> 01:15:11,841 [Gibson] Mm-hm. 1061 01:15:13,259 --> 01:15:16,513 The food bills were heavy, I tell you. [laughs] 1062 01:15:19,099 --> 01:15:21,643 This guy, he's a farmer from Catemaco. 1063 01:15:21,684 --> 01:15:22,685 [Safinia] Yeah. 1064 01:15:22,769 --> 01:15:25,480 [Gibson] He's doing a performance thing. It's amazing. 1065 01:15:25,563 --> 01:15:26,856 [Safinia] Close up. 1066 01:15:26,940 --> 01:15:31,152 [Gibson] He's like, "Whoa, me?" "Yeah, why not?" 1067 01:15:34,739 --> 01:15:37,283 [Safinia] I love how you stay well back from that. 1068 01:15:37,325 --> 01:15:41,955 The expectation is to go right in, but it's just shot from far away. 1069 01:15:41,996 --> 01:15:45,583 [Gibson] Well, you know, it doesn't pay to sort of focus too much on that. 1070 01:15:45,667 --> 01:15:48,461 - It is a cardiectomy after all. - [Safinia laughs] 1071 01:15:48,503 --> 01:15:52,465 [Gibson] Look at that town. Ooh! Chicago. 1072 01:15:55,343 --> 01:15:57,929 [Safinia] One of the things Tom was trying very hard to do 1073 01:15:58,012 --> 01:16:02,934 was to give you the impression that the town was always under construction. 1074 01:16:03,017 --> 01:16:06,354 There's always something being built somewhere or renewed somewhere, 1075 01:16:06,438 --> 01:16:09,774 so you'll see the pyramid that's got the scaffolding around it, 1076 01:16:09,858 --> 01:16:14,195 people working on it and still participating in the ceremony. 1077 01:16:14,279 --> 01:16:15,697 - [Gibson] Ugh. - [both laugh] 1078 01:16:15,738 --> 01:16:17,699 [Gibson] Just awful. 1079 01:16:19,367 --> 01:16:21,035 But it was far worse than that. 1080 01:16:21,119 --> 01:16:23,621 They used to cut their hands and their feet off as well. 1081 01:16:23,705 --> 01:16:27,375 [Safinia] They did. And once these bodies were rolled down, 1082 01:16:27,459 --> 01:16:30,253 they would actually flay them, rip the skin off and wear it. 1083 01:16:30,336 --> 01:16:32,213 - [Gibson] Wear skin. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1084 01:16:32,297 --> 01:16:34,090 [Gibson] We're letting you off light, 1085 01:16:34,174 --> 01:16:37,427 no matter what anyone tells you about inaccuracy. 1086 01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:41,723 [Safinia]This here is the <i>Guinness Book of Records</i> longest stair fall, ever. 1087 01:16:42,474 --> 01:16:44,893 Started at the top of that pyramid... 1088 01:16:44,976 --> 01:16:47,061 - [Gibson] 80 steps. - [Safinia] Rolled down. 1089 01:16:47,145 --> 01:16:49,355 [Gibson] Whatever it was. 1090 01:16:49,397 --> 01:16:51,357 <i>[panting]</i> 1091 01:16:53,026 --> 01:16:55,987 <i>[grunting]</i> 1092 01:17:08,333 --> 01:17:10,877 [Gibson] Funny, when you turn these guys upside down. 1093 01:17:10,919 --> 01:17:15,423 [Safinia] It looks even worse. [laughs] If it can, and it does. 1094 01:17:19,677 --> 01:17:21,679 <i>[gasping]</i> 1095 01:17:30,271 --> 01:17:35,193 [Gibson] They were very adept at keeping people alive while removing things. 1096 01:17:35,276 --> 01:17:40,156 They used to cauterize them and take out their whole system almost. 1097 01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:43,576 [Safinia] There's an account of the king of Copán being captured 1098 01:17:43,618 --> 01:17:47,914 and kept alive and tortured for nine years, during which time 1099 01:17:47,956 --> 01:17:51,334 they disemboweled him and removed various parts of his body, 1100 01:17:51,417 --> 01:17:54,546 and also managed to keep him alive for that entire time... 1101 01:17:54,629 --> 01:17:57,173 [Gibson] Nine years! Unbelievable. 1102 01:17:57,257 --> 01:18:01,511 [Safinia] Mostly, it was so that they could humiliate somebody, 1103 01:18:01,594 --> 01:18:05,807 especially a ruler of an opposing city. It was all about the humiliation. 1104 01:18:05,890 --> 01:18:08,226 [Gibson] Mostly humiliation. No mercy on a ruler. 1105 01:18:08,309 --> 01:18:11,145 The higher you're ranked, the more they humiliated you. 1106 01:18:11,854 --> 01:18:13,731 <i>[gasps]</i> 1107 01:18:13,815 --> 01:18:17,193 [Gibson] I think it's a little bit the same now, don't you? 1108 01:18:17,277 --> 01:18:19,195 [Safinia laughs] 1109 01:18:21,864 --> 01:18:26,411 [Safinia] Did they look inside their mouths and look for their teeth? 1110 01:18:33,710 --> 01:18:35,795 [Gibson whispers] Where did that come from? 1111 01:18:35,837 --> 01:18:38,339 - [Safinia] She's so good. - [Gibson laughs] Yeah. 1112 01:18:38,381 --> 01:18:40,425 [Safinia] She found it. 1113 01:18:41,217 --> 01:18:43,636 - So did he. - [Gibson] Yeah. 1114 01:18:43,678 --> 01:18:47,348 They all found it. They were good, these kids. 1115 01:18:48,766 --> 01:18:51,436 I'm proud of 'em. [chuckles] 1116 01:18:53,688 --> 01:18:55,815 <i>[crowd cheering]</i> 1117 01:19:42,070 --> 01:19:44,238 [Safinia] So it's a well-known fact 1118 01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:47,742 - that the Mayans were... astrologers. - [Gibson] Astrologers. 1119 01:19:47,784 --> 01:19:51,412 [Safinia] Knew about the planetary movements, the movement of the sun. 1120 01:19:52,580 --> 01:19:56,876 And I think the thing that we were trying to say here was, well, 1121 01:19:56,918 --> 01:20:01,464 within any society, civilization, who holds the information, 1122 01:20:01,547 --> 01:20:04,050 who is aware of it, and if they do have it...? 1123 01:20:04,092 --> 01:20:07,095 - [Gibson] How do they use it? - [Safinia] How do they use it? Yeah. 1124 01:20:07,178 --> 01:20:10,807 [Gibson] Even though Papa Smurf has gone through some shenanigans, 1125 01:20:10,890 --> 01:20:13,101 - it's like... - [Safinia] It's clearly a... 1126 01:20:13,142 --> 01:20:15,103 [Gibson] It's a dumb show. 1127 01:20:15,895 --> 01:20:20,692 And, you know, the educated always... Knowledge is power. 1128 01:20:20,775 --> 01:20:24,570 [Safinia] That's right. If you're able to manipulate that information 1129 01:20:24,612 --> 01:20:29,951 to achieve your own political ends, then I think you're saying something 1130 01:20:30,034 --> 01:20:34,872 that's quite universal, across all societies. 1131 01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:41,045 [Gibson] Even if everybody knew about it, it's still amazing. 1132 01:20:41,129 --> 01:20:44,298 - [Safinia] Yes. - [Gibson] An eclipse, "What is it?" 1133 01:20:51,139 --> 01:20:53,182 Look at this guy. [laughs] 1134 01:20:53,850 --> 01:20:56,978 [Safinia] Just these shots, these completely still. [laughs] 1135 01:20:57,061 --> 01:21:01,315 - [Gibson] "Hey, uh, uh, fellows?" - [Safinia] Yeah. [laughs] 1136 01:21:03,276 --> 01:21:05,486 <i>[clamoring]</i> 1137 01:21:07,530 --> 01:21:12,243 [Safinia] An eclipse, a solar eclipse, looks like a 360 degree sunset, 1138 01:21:12,326 --> 01:21:14,495 which is very weird. 1139 01:21:18,166 --> 01:21:19,709 Yeah, that's enough. 1140 01:21:28,843 --> 01:21:33,598 [Safinia] I love the way he does that. [laughing] It's so frightening. 1141 01:21:33,681 --> 01:21:35,767 - [Gibson] I love this. - [Safinia] This shot. 1142 01:21:35,850 --> 01:21:37,351 [Gibson] The silhouette. 1143 01:21:53,034 --> 01:21:55,161 <i>[cheering]</i> 1144 01:22:04,796 --> 01:22:08,883 [Gibson] Dean had a special rig here with the lighting on the people. 1145 01:22:08,966 --> 01:22:14,055 He was able to raise and lower the light in the daytime. 1146 01:22:14,096 --> 01:22:17,225 - [Safinia] Yeah. - [Gibson] And bring it down. 1147 01:22:17,266 --> 01:22:20,102 [Safinia] He had a screen that would slide across the... 1148 01:22:20,186 --> 01:22:22,647 - [Gibson] Musco Light. - [Safinia] The Musco Light. 1149 01:22:22,730 --> 01:22:26,234 And the screen would come across the Musco Light and effectively create 1150 01:22:26,317 --> 01:22:28,236 the effect of an eclipse happening, 1151 01:22:28,277 --> 01:22:32,198 and then remove itself and make it look like the sun was coming back. 1152 01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,243 [Gibson] I don't know anyone's done an eclipse on film before. 1153 01:22:35,284 --> 01:22:37,912 - [Safinia] I haven't seen one. - [Gibson] No. 1154 01:22:37,995 --> 01:22:40,289 <i>[crowd cheering]</i> 1155 01:22:47,129 --> 01:22:49,924 [Safinia] Beautiful costumes. 1156 01:22:50,007 --> 01:22:52,760 - Mayes Rubeo. - [Gibson] Yeah. 1157 01:22:56,389 --> 01:22:59,767 [Safinia] And the jewelry and the makeup is just... 1158 01:23:20,913 --> 01:23:23,875 [Gibson] Amazing how seamless that was, in different places. 1159 01:23:23,958 --> 01:23:26,377 [Safinia] Yes, totally different. 1160 01:23:26,460 --> 01:23:32,008 Now this is something, again, that we have some historical records for. 1161 01:23:32,091 --> 01:23:37,847 The... When the Holcanes would capture victims from other cities, 1162 01:23:37,930 --> 01:23:41,350 they would often use them for target practice, but they never... 1163 01:23:41,434 --> 01:23:43,644 We're not sure they would allow them to run. 1164 01:23:43,728 --> 01:23:47,815 What we do know is they would hook them up to these scaffolds and fire at them. 1165 01:23:47,857 --> 01:23:50,902 - Yeah. As targets. - [Gibson] Pepper 'em with arrows, 1166 01:23:50,985 --> 01:23:52,987 different distances, like a target range. 1167 01:23:53,070 --> 01:23:56,407 [Safinia] Yeah. There are images of it too that show this. The... 1168 01:23:56,490 --> 01:23:59,285 What we did here for this scene was obviously to... 1169 01:23:59,327 --> 01:24:03,331 - [Gibson] Make it compelling. - [Safinia] Set it free, so they ran. 1170 01:24:06,459 --> 01:24:10,546 [Gibson] You said, "Why wouldn't they want a moving target now and then? 1171 01:24:10,630 --> 01:24:14,884 It must have got boring just using a guy like a pin cushion." 1172 01:24:14,967 --> 01:24:17,094 [Safinia] Makes it more fun, yeah. 1173 01:24:18,095 --> 01:24:21,349 And this kind of arena exists all over the Mayan world. 1174 01:24:21,390 --> 01:24:25,353 Most of them, and the Aztecs too, engage in this sport, this ball game. 1175 01:24:25,436 --> 01:24:28,397 And they had lots of ball courts everywhere that would allow 1176 01:24:28,481 --> 01:24:30,900 for this kind of activity. 1177 01:25:26,414 --> 01:25:29,625 - [Safinia] Remember how that happened? - [Gibson] Kid with the arm. 1178 01:25:29,709 --> 01:25:31,627 [Safinia] The 14-year-old with the arm. 1179 01:25:31,711 --> 01:25:33,546 [Gibson] Nobody could hit this guy. 1180 01:25:33,587 --> 01:25:36,757 - He had a balloon with... - [Safinia] With red blood, and he... 1181 01:25:36,841 --> 01:25:38,592 - [Gibson] Fluid. - [Safinia] He threw it 1182 01:25:38,676 --> 01:25:41,929 - and hit him every time. [laughs] - [Gibson] Yeah. 1183 01:25:43,222 --> 01:25:45,141 CGI. 1184 01:25:46,642 --> 01:25:47,727 <i>[groans]</i> 1185 01:25:49,687 --> 01:25:52,857 [Safinia] A lot of those arrows coming in, actually flying in, 1186 01:25:52,940 --> 01:25:55,901 that was Simon Atherton, the armorer, chasing these guys 1187 01:25:55,943 --> 01:26:00,614 just off-camera and throwing arrows at them. [laughs] 1188 01:26:03,909 --> 01:26:07,371 - [Gibson] And some of them are CG. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1189 01:26:07,455 --> 01:26:10,541 - [Gibson] Others are already there. - [Safinia] That's right. 1190 01:26:10,624 --> 01:26:13,127 <i>[gasping]</i> 1191 01:26:25,639 --> 01:26:28,059 [Gibson] They did use captives as target practice, 1192 01:26:28,142 --> 01:26:33,355 but for the purposes of being compelling in film, we invented this little game. 1193 01:26:33,439 --> 01:26:35,274 [Safinia] Yeah, so that they'd run. 1194 01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:50,873 [Gibson] Probably, if they had made it to the cornfield, they'd let him go. 1195 01:26:50,956 --> 01:26:53,375 - [Safinia] It's very possible. - [Gibson] The guy 1196 01:26:53,459 --> 01:26:55,503 does the inexcusable before he gets away. 1197 01:26:55,586 --> 01:26:57,379 [Safinia] He certainly does, yeah. 1198 01:27:16,190 --> 01:27:17,441 <i>Ah!</i> 1199 01:27:17,525 --> 01:27:19,360 [Safinia laughs] Ouch. 1200 01:27:22,696 --> 01:27:24,865 - [Gibson] Why not? - [Safinia] Why not? 1201 01:27:30,371 --> 01:27:33,040 <i>- [grunts] - [cheering]</i> 1202 01:27:37,545 --> 01:27:40,172 <i>[grunting]</i> 1203 01:28:16,125 --> 01:28:19,837 [Safinia] The combination of the shots you're using here are so interesting, 1204 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:23,132 'cause you're doing very long wide shots 1205 01:28:23,215 --> 01:28:26,135 and lots of handheld close-up shots, 1206 01:28:26,218 --> 01:28:29,263 and trying to tell the story in a way that hasn't been done before. 1207 01:28:29,305 --> 01:28:32,266 You don't see the things happening up-close necessarily. 1208 01:28:32,349 --> 01:28:35,102 [Gibson] You try and tell it without actually showing it. 1209 01:28:35,186 --> 01:28:36,562 [Safinia] That's right. 1210 01:28:38,063 --> 01:28:39,398 <i>Ah!</i> 1211 01:28:40,107 --> 01:28:44,403 - [Gibson] I love this. - [Safinia] Ooh. Oh! [laughs] 1212 01:28:54,580 --> 01:28:57,791 <i>[gagging, choking]</i> 1213 01:29:23,567 --> 01:29:25,736 [Gibson] Raoul was great here. So was the kid. 1214 01:29:25,819 --> 01:29:28,948 - [Safinia] Really great. - [Gibson] Amazing. [laughs] 1215 01:29:28,989 --> 01:29:31,450 [Safinia] This is where he really makes 'em human. 1216 01:29:31,492 --> 01:29:34,495 - [Gibson] Yeah. - [Safinia] Therefore, more frightening. 1217 01:29:34,578 --> 01:29:35,663 [Gibson] Yeah. 1218 01:29:55,766 --> 01:29:59,395 [Safinia] Sometimes you've also got to know when not to play any music, right? 1219 01:29:59,478 --> 01:30:01,021 [Gibson] Mm-hm. 1220 01:30:08,570 --> 01:30:11,865 [Safinia laughs] He's freaked out. 1221 01:30:11,949 --> 01:30:14,201 - [Gibson] He's great. - [Safinia] He really is. 1222 01:30:14,243 --> 01:30:18,455 Bernardo Ruiz, who is a woodworker, right? 1223 01:30:18,539 --> 01:30:21,959 - [Gibson] Yeah. - [Safinia] Carpenter from Oaxaca. 1224 01:30:24,503 --> 01:30:26,463 [Gibson] Cool shot. 1225 01:30:39,435 --> 01:30:42,980 [Safinia] It's a good shot with our Steadicam operator running backwards. 1226 01:30:43,063 --> 01:30:45,566 - [Gibson] Yeah. Fast. - [Safinia laughs] Yeah. 1227 01:30:45,607 --> 01:30:47,401 [both laugh] 1228 01:30:58,120 --> 01:31:00,039 - [Gibson] I love this. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1229 01:31:00,080 --> 01:31:04,668 [Gibson] It's the big... bird's-eye view. 1230 01:31:12,426 --> 01:31:14,011 <i>Ah!</i> 1231 01:31:14,094 --> 01:31:16,263 [Gibson] Phew. 1232 01:31:21,435 --> 01:31:23,729 <i>[flies buzzing]</i> 1233 01:31:35,449 --> 01:31:37,284 [Safinia] This was a fantastic set. 1234 01:31:37,326 --> 01:31:41,413 Because what it was was hollow, really, 1235 01:31:41,455 --> 01:31:44,750 and the impression the camera gives with the right lens 1236 01:31:44,792 --> 01:31:46,585 - that it's flat. - [Gibson] Yeah. 1237 01:31:46,627 --> 01:31:48,837 - Like it goes on forever. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1238 01:31:48,921 --> 01:31:51,507 [Gibson] And it was a pretty big area. 1239 01:31:51,590 --> 01:31:53,926 [Safinia] It was built on the edge of the jungle. 1240 01:31:53,967 --> 01:31:58,514 A lot of this, it's amazing how much it was created for real. 1241 01:32:05,062 --> 01:32:07,981 And we're starting to uncover some archaeological records 1242 01:32:08,023 --> 01:32:12,111 of these great mass graves, too, in places like Cancuén, 1243 01:32:12,152 --> 01:32:17,366 which was a classic site in which they uncovered something, 1244 01:32:17,449 --> 01:32:22,121 a grave that contained bodies that had been shown to be ritually killed. 1245 01:32:23,372 --> 01:32:24,581 [Gibson] How many? 1246 01:32:24,665 --> 01:32:26,917 [Safinia] I don't remember, but that was Mayan. 1247 01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:30,170 - We found more in the Aztec area. - [Gibson] Yeah. 1248 01:33:04,663 --> 01:33:08,792 [Gibson] I like the musical change that happens here. It goes all quiet. 1249 01:33:10,836 --> 01:33:12,254 Lyrical. 1250 01:33:14,882 --> 01:33:17,759 <i>[groaning]</i> 1251 01:33:43,702 --> 01:33:46,538 [Gibson] He looks really scared. [laughs] 1252 01:33:46,580 --> 01:33:49,666 [Safinia] We have to mention the job that John Wright has done. 1253 01:33:49,750 --> 01:33:53,712 - [Gibson] Editing? You kidding me? - [Safinia] To build this sequence, 1254 01:33:53,754 --> 01:33:56,757 in terms of all the elements of seeing them and seeing the blood, 1255 01:33:56,840 --> 01:33:59,176 - going back to them and... - [Gibson] Oh, no, John 1256 01:33:59,259 --> 01:34:03,764 is a grade-A editor. I worked with him on <i>The Passion,</i> 1257 01:34:03,847 --> 01:34:08,852 and, uh... his abilities, 1258 01:34:08,936 --> 01:34:13,524 if I didn't say it before, I'm sorry. It's just, he's an amazing editor. 1259 01:34:13,607 --> 01:34:16,860 [Safinia] It's so seamless, and when you're working with visuals, 1260 01:34:16,944 --> 01:34:20,614 particularly like this, that don't have dialogue attached to them, 1261 01:34:20,656 --> 01:34:24,993 you really have to rely on how you want to build the story, yeah. 1262 01:34:25,077 --> 01:34:27,120 [Gibson] How you see it, yeah. 1263 01:34:27,162 --> 01:34:29,915 And he's, uh... he's good like that. 1264 01:34:29,957 --> 01:34:31,833 <i>[growling]</i> 1265 01:34:35,629 --> 01:34:38,966 [Safinia] Three days old? Three or four days old, this little thing. 1266 01:34:39,049 --> 01:34:41,343 - [Gibson] Yeah. Cute. - [Safinia] It was so cute. 1267 01:34:41,426 --> 01:34:45,514 It was so young that it couldn't focus, because, like babies, 1268 01:34:45,597 --> 01:34:48,475 human babies can't focus when they're young, with their eyes. 1269 01:34:48,559 --> 01:34:50,769 This one couldn't either. 1270 01:34:54,731 --> 01:34:59,611 Aside from being the namesake of the central character, the jaguar was also 1271 01:34:59,653 --> 01:35:02,781 the... a very, very important animal 1272 01:35:02,823 --> 01:35:06,618 in the mythic pantheon of animals that the Mayans had. 1273 01:35:06,660 --> 01:35:08,161 [Gibson] King of their jungle. 1274 01:35:08,245 --> 01:35:11,665 [Safinia] It was king of their jungle, sort of god of the underworld 1275 01:35:11,748 --> 01:35:15,544 and had many, many religious significances for them. 1276 01:35:15,627 --> 01:35:20,924 To kill one, if you ever should do, was an incredibly bad omen. 1277 01:35:21,008 --> 01:35:23,802 [Gibson] Not necessarily. They did it sacrificially. 1278 01:35:23,844 --> 01:35:26,638 [Safinia] Well, that's right. But it depend... Yes, it did. 1279 01:35:26,680 --> 01:35:30,142 [Gibson] You had to have a good reason. You had to do it right. 1280 01:35:30,183 --> 01:35:33,520 - If you just kinda bump one... - [Safinia laughs] 1281 01:35:33,604 --> 01:35:36,523 - Things aren't looking good. - [Gibson] That was like, "Ooh." 1282 01:35:36,565 --> 01:35:40,986 - [Safinia] They really believed that. - [Gibson] Supposed to let it eat you. 1283 01:35:41,028 --> 01:35:45,198 [Safinia] These are the bits where Rudy's ability as an athlete shine. 1284 01:35:45,282 --> 01:35:46,950 - He's just... - [Gibson] Guy runs. 1285 01:35:47,034 --> 01:35:50,370 [Safinia] He's running at that distance from a jaguar chasing him. 1286 01:35:50,454 --> 01:35:53,999 [Gibson] That's really there. It's not CGI. [laughs] 1287 01:35:54,041 --> 01:35:57,711 Mind you, there were restraints. 1288 01:35:57,794 --> 01:36:01,923 He would never have been eaten by the jaguar. 1289 01:36:02,007 --> 01:36:05,344 - [Safinia] No. - [Gibson] Maybe if he tripped. 1290 01:36:05,385 --> 01:36:06,803 [Safinia laughs] 1291 01:36:06,887 --> 01:36:09,056 [Gibson] I'm kidding. There were safeguards. 1292 01:36:09,139 --> 01:36:12,225 - [Safinia] Yeah. - [Gibson] Many safeguards. 1293 01:36:12,309 --> 01:36:14,394 But I'm not gonna bother to explain that. 1294 01:36:14,478 --> 01:36:15,896 [Safinia laughs] Trade secrets? 1295 01:36:15,979 --> 01:36:19,191 [Gibson] Oh, brother. Trade secrets. Mostly just patience. 1296 01:36:19,232 --> 01:36:20,734 [Safinia] Yeah. [laughs] 1297 01:36:20,776 --> 01:36:24,196 Gosh, it took us a long time to figure out how to do that. 1298 01:36:24,237 --> 01:36:25,572 [Gibson] Yes, it did. 1299 01:36:28,909 --> 01:36:31,745 - This is my favorite sequence. - [Safinia] In the whole film. 1300 01:36:31,828 --> 01:36:36,083 [Gibson] I wanted to make a car... like a foot chase like a car chase. 1301 01:36:37,793 --> 01:36:40,629 It starts to get that kind of speed going on it. 1302 01:36:40,712 --> 01:36:43,423 - [Safinia] The collision aspect. - [Gibson] Yeah. 1303 01:36:45,509 --> 01:36:47,844 [Safinia] Marco was a really fast runner himself. 1304 01:36:47,928 --> 01:36:50,597 [Gibson] All these guys, all these kids were fit. 1305 01:36:50,639 --> 01:36:52,808 - They're in their 20s. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1306 01:36:52,891 --> 01:36:54,351 [Gibson] Fit as fiddles. 1307 01:36:54,434 --> 01:36:57,813 [Safinia] Remember you asked him to interject between Rudy and the jag? 1308 01:36:57,896 --> 01:37:00,273 - [Gibson] The cat? No problem. - [Safinia laughs] 1309 01:37:00,357 --> 01:37:03,193 - "And don't look back, Marco." - [Gibson] "Don't look back." 1310 01:37:03,276 --> 01:37:04,736 [both laugh] 1311 01:37:04,778 --> 01:37:07,072 [Safinia] Here he is not looking back. 1312 01:37:07,114 --> 01:37:09,282 - [Gibson] Unbelievable. - [Safinia laughs] 1313 01:37:10,909 --> 01:37:11,910 <i>[screaming]</i> 1314 01:37:11,952 --> 01:37:14,496 [Gibson] What happened to a guy who doesn't look back. 1315 01:37:14,579 --> 01:37:17,416 [Safinia] Right. Should've looked back, Marco. [laughs] 1316 01:37:18,875 --> 01:37:21,795 [Gibson] Of course, there was... As with the tapir, 1317 01:37:21,878 --> 01:37:25,298 and the jaguar also, 1318 01:37:25,382 --> 01:37:28,260 there was a lot of... You know, we had puppets. 1319 01:37:29,469 --> 01:37:31,972 - [Safinia] Ow! - [Gibson] Yeah. 1320 01:37:35,934 --> 01:37:39,312 Some of those shots where they're stabbing, where you just see the head 1321 01:37:39,396 --> 01:37:42,107 and the paw, that's me sort of clawing at those guys 1322 01:37:42,149 --> 01:37:45,402 and them stabbing me with their spears. 1323 01:37:45,736 --> 01:37:49,197 [Safinia] I love this bit when they just stop, like... 1324 01:37:49,281 --> 01:37:52,200 - [Safinia laughs] - [Gibson] Yeah, it's, "Whoa." 1325 01:37:52,284 --> 01:37:54,161 [Safinia] It's really a "whoa" moment. 1326 01:37:54,202 --> 01:37:56,997 - [Gibson] Yeah, it is. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1327 01:37:59,499 --> 01:38:01,960 That, Genesis... That is the Genesis streak. 1328 01:38:02,002 --> 01:38:03,920 [Gibson] Yeah. 1329 01:38:04,004 --> 01:38:07,507 [Safinia] When Dean would open the shutter to 360 degrees 1330 01:38:07,549 --> 01:38:10,927 and move the camera at high speed, it would create this streaking effect 1331 01:38:11,011 --> 01:38:14,097 where the character in the middle of the frame would be sharp, 1332 01:38:14,181 --> 01:38:16,183 but everything around it would be blurry. 1333 01:38:16,224 --> 01:38:18,477 [Gibson] Yeah, strobe. 1334 01:38:24,191 --> 01:38:26,651 [Safinia] That's another one of the classic lines. 1335 01:38:26,693 --> 01:38:29,321 - [Gibson] Definition of a sociopath. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1336 01:38:32,699 --> 01:38:36,453 [Gibson] There's a lot of camerawork not done on the Genesis too. 1337 01:38:36,536 --> 01:38:41,208 Anything that's high speed, where the camera's over-cranked a great deal, 1338 01:38:41,291 --> 01:38:45,962 had to have been done on a Panavision orArriflex. 1339 01:38:46,046 --> 01:38:51,426 And, um, indeed, even some of the more intimate running shots, Rudy, 1340 01:38:51,510 --> 01:38:57,474 uh, running with a four-pound handheld A camera, 16-millimeter. 1341 01:38:57,557 --> 01:38:58,934 And all these... 1342 01:38:59,017 --> 01:39:01,436 [Safinia] Chad, camera operator, was chasing him 1343 01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:03,230 with a handheld 16-mil camera, 1344 01:39:03,271 --> 01:39:07,150 which gave us some of that really frenetic stuff that you mix in 1345 01:39:07,234 --> 01:39:09,361 with the rest of it, and it works great. 1346 01:39:09,402 --> 01:39:14,449 [Gibson] Yeah, it melds right in with it. These days, it's amazing. 1347 01:39:14,533 --> 01:39:17,702 [Safinia] Here we're harking back a little bit to the old prophecy. 1348 01:39:17,744 --> 01:39:22,082 - And the thing that's great... - [Gibson] Bush medicine here. 1349 01:39:22,123 --> 01:39:25,460 [Safinia] The thing that's great about these sequences is the sound. 1350 01:39:25,544 --> 01:39:27,546 The sound guys here are just, you know... 1351 01:39:27,587 --> 01:39:30,340 There's the background of the jungle and the music. 1352 01:39:43,436 --> 01:39:46,606 [Gibson] I like this next bit. You take all natural sound out 1353 01:39:46,690 --> 01:39:48,900 - and go with the music. - [Safinia] Right. 1354 01:39:48,942 --> 01:39:50,026 [Gibson] So it's cool. 1355 01:40:01,997 --> 01:40:06,084 [Safinia] You almost never ever cut back to the same angle on this film, do you? 1356 01:40:06,126 --> 01:40:09,796 - [Gibson] No. There's so many angles. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1357 01:40:17,721 --> 01:40:20,140 [Gibson] Love this. Yeah. 1358 01:40:20,223 --> 01:40:22,559 [Safinia] This is Rahat again, yeah. 1359 01:40:31,151 --> 01:40:33,987 <i>[panting]</i> 1360 01:40:44,497 --> 01:40:50,378 [Safinia] One of the few night scenes in films that you see that are not blue. 1361 01:40:50,462 --> 01:40:54,841 Nights are always blue in movies, and Dean made this one... 1362 01:40:54,925 --> 01:40:58,511 - [Gibson] Not blue. - [Safinia] Made it real. [laughs] 1363 01:40:58,553 --> 01:41:02,223 [Gibson] Yeah. The night looked real. 1364 01:41:09,522 --> 01:41:13,818 This was just firelight. Yeah. 1365 01:41:15,862 --> 01:41:17,697 Look at that. 1366 01:41:18,949 --> 01:41:21,701 [Safinia] You kept wanting them to get those fires closer 1367 01:41:21,743 --> 01:41:24,329 - to their faces. - [Gibson] And they're like, "No!" 1368 01:41:24,371 --> 01:41:26,289 - [laughter] - [Gibson] "What's wrong?" 1369 01:41:26,373 --> 01:41:29,876 - [Safinia] "My hair is burning." - [both laugh] 1370 01:41:29,918 --> 01:41:31,461 [Gibson] Yeah. 1371 01:41:34,214 --> 01:41:36,091 <i>[animal screeches]</i> 1372 01:41:43,306 --> 01:41:45,725 <i>- [screeching] - [gasping]</i> 1373 01:41:53,817 --> 01:41:56,695 [Safinia] Those howler monkeys actually do make this sound. 1374 01:41:56,736 --> 01:41:59,698 - It's a shrieking kind of awful. - [Gibson] Horrible. [growls] 1375 01:41:59,739 --> 01:42:03,743 Like that. Now you might think a howler monkey's cute, but... 1376 01:42:03,827 --> 01:42:05,745 - [Safinia laughs] - I'll tell you, 1377 01:42:05,829 --> 01:42:08,415 you don't want one on your case, especially injured. 1378 01:42:08,498 --> 01:42:09,666 [Safinia] That's right. 1379 01:42:09,749 --> 01:42:13,003 [Gibson] Hopefully you'll have a stalactite when he comes a-calling. 1380 01:42:13,086 --> 01:42:14,963 [Safinia] Nearby. 1381 01:42:17,507 --> 01:42:19,926 <i>[animal growls]</i> 1382 01:42:35,942 --> 01:42:37,986 [Gibson] There's a lot of puppets at work... 1383 01:42:38,069 --> 01:42:39,779 [Safinia] As well as real monkeys. 1384 01:42:39,821 --> 01:42:41,489 - Real monkey. - [Gibson] Intercut. 1385 01:42:41,573 --> 01:42:44,784 [Safinia] Yeah. This little boy really did not like the puppet. 1386 01:42:44,868 --> 01:42:46,202 [Gibson] Hated the puppet. 1387 01:42:46,286 --> 01:42:48,913 - It was like... - [Safinia] So these looks are genuine. 1388 01:42:48,955 --> 01:42:50,665 [Gibson] "I don't like that thing." 1389 01:42:50,749 --> 01:42:54,335 - [Safinia] He's really not impressed. - [Gibson] "I don't dig that puppet." 1390 01:42:54,419 --> 01:42:58,673 I didn't like the puppet. It came around me, but I'd say, "Get it away from me." 1391 01:42:58,757 --> 01:43:00,759 <i>[panting]</i> 1392 01:43:14,314 --> 01:43:16,983 [Gibson] You thought it was ten minutes before the next 1393 01:43:17,067 --> 01:43:20,236 - "cat out of the closet" moment. - [Safinia laughs] 1394 01:43:20,320 --> 01:43:21,738 [Gibson] But no. 1395 01:43:23,990 --> 01:43:26,910 [Safinia] Again, that's a real snake launching... 1396 01:43:26,993 --> 01:43:29,370 - [Gibson] Into plastic. - [Safinia] Into plastic. 1397 01:43:29,454 --> 01:43:31,081 [Gibson] Into a prosthetic. 1398 01:43:31,706 --> 01:43:34,793 - [Safinia] That's not a real snake. - [Gibson] No. That's a faker. 1399 01:43:34,834 --> 01:43:36,878 [Safinia] Yeah. 1400 01:43:39,005 --> 01:43:41,466 - [Gibson] It's a real guy though. - [Safinia laughs] 1401 01:43:44,344 --> 01:43:47,347 [Safinia] Something interesting about the line he says, 1402 01:43:47,388 --> 01:43:52,769 which is that the original Mayan language is actually a carnal language. 1403 01:43:52,852 --> 01:43:55,188 - [Gibson] Yeah. - [Safinia] He's actually saying 1404 01:43:55,230 --> 01:43:59,109 that sentence in Mayan, which exists and is used quite commonly. 1405 01:43:59,192 --> 01:44:02,070 One of the things that I've heard from people is asking us... 1406 01:44:02,153 --> 01:44:04,572 - [Gibson] "How come you put that in?" - [Safinia] "Something 1407 01:44:04,656 --> 01:44:08,118 so idiosyncratic and weird that was clearly not part of what they'd say?" 1408 01:44:08,201 --> 01:44:10,995 In fact, if you listened to Mayan, 1409 01:44:11,037 --> 01:44:13,498 they referred to these kinds of words all the time, 1410 01:44:13,540 --> 01:44:15,542 and it's very much part of their language. 1411 01:44:15,583 --> 01:44:17,043 [Gibson] Inguinal language. 1412 01:44:17,085 --> 01:44:20,338 [Safinia] Very much, and I think it's a reflection upon us today 1413 01:44:20,380 --> 01:44:24,551 and our sensibilities, that we think they wouldn't have used these words, 1414 01:44:24,634 --> 01:44:27,720 whereas, in truth, why wouldn't they? 1415 01:44:49,576 --> 01:44:52,704 [Safinia] That fer-de-lance would kill a man if you couldn't find 1416 01:44:52,745 --> 01:44:56,916 the appropriate anti-venom within a few hours. 1417 01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:58,668 [Gibson] Oh, less than a few. 1418 01:44:58,751 --> 01:45:00,545 If you go for an hour, you're a croaker. 1419 01:45:00,587 --> 01:45:04,507 - [Safinia] You're pretty much. - [Gibson] Depends where he bites you. 1420 01:45:10,388 --> 01:45:12,932 [Safinia] Richard was handy with that bow and arrow. 1421 01:45:12,974 --> 01:45:15,935 [Gibson] He was into archery. He was the kindergarten teacher. 1422 01:45:15,977 --> 01:45:18,062 [Safinia] Right, man with the bow and arrow. 1423 01:45:18,104 --> 01:45:19,647 [Gibson] Mean-looking guy. 1424 01:45:19,731 --> 01:45:23,818 Apparently his kids'll never go back to school with him again now. 1425 01:45:23,902 --> 01:45:27,947 [Safinia] Now a lot of these shots, you actually shot them backwards, right? 1426 01:45:27,989 --> 01:45:29,324 [Gibson] A lot of them, yeah. 1427 01:45:29,407 --> 01:45:32,493 [Safinia] To get the right effect, then played the film forward. 1428 01:45:32,577 --> 01:45:35,538 [Gibson] Right. Like with that ball hitting the tree and stuff, 1429 01:45:35,622 --> 01:45:40,126 you had to get Rudy to run backwards and then rip the ball out of the tree, 1430 01:45:40,168 --> 01:45:43,171 and just, you know, those kinds of weird tricks. 1431 01:45:44,130 --> 01:45:45,965 Did that a few times. 1432 01:45:46,841 --> 01:45:50,887 [Safinia] And I think what is quite cool here is that this music that's playing 1433 01:45:50,970 --> 01:45:56,351 is the same music underneath that we hear during the tapir hunt, 1434 01:45:56,434 --> 01:45:59,479 - at the beginning. - [Gibson] Man as tapir. 1435 01:46:00,355 --> 01:46:02,440 I love this shot. 1436 01:46:02,482 --> 01:46:05,485 We almost ran out of time for this shot here. 1437 01:46:05,568 --> 01:46:07,695 [Safinia] They're going down the tree. 1438 01:46:08,071 --> 01:46:10,490 [Gibson] This was Dean's concept. He wanted to do it, 1439 01:46:10,573 --> 01:46:12,492 but he was saying, "We haven't got time." 1440 01:46:12,533 --> 01:46:16,996 I said, "Dean, we gotta do it." And he said, "Oh, righto." [laughs] 1441 01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:18,373 But it's beautiful. 1442 01:46:19,958 --> 01:46:24,003 [Safinia] This location is also not far from where we shot the jungle location. 1443 01:46:24,045 --> 01:46:28,675 In fact, it's in the same state where they have this waterfall. 1444 01:46:28,758 --> 01:46:32,178 [Gibson] Massive waterfall, yeah. It's a whopper. 1445 01:46:33,680 --> 01:46:35,974 [Safinia] Everybody asks me how you did this. 1446 01:46:36,015 --> 01:46:39,185 - [Gibson] Really? - [Safinia] How did you do this shot? 1447 01:46:39,269 --> 01:46:41,854 - [Gibson] Well, let me tell you. - [Safinia laughs] 1448 01:46:41,896 --> 01:46:43,982 [Gibson] Called SpiderCam. 1449 01:46:45,358 --> 01:46:47,902 Just hook a few cranes up and have some wires, 1450 01:46:47,986 --> 01:46:50,989 and you can make the camera do that all in one. 1451 01:47:01,541 --> 01:47:06,212 [Safinia] And there have been stories on the Internet, which are true, 1452 01:47:06,296 --> 01:47:08,214 of when we were shooting here. 1453 01:47:08,256 --> 01:47:10,967 - A real cow... - [Gibson] Fell over the waterfall. 1454 01:47:11,050 --> 01:47:14,512 [Safinia] ...fell over that waterfall and survived. 1455 01:47:14,554 --> 01:47:19,517 [Gibson] Mm-hm. But people have jumped off there and not survived. 1456 01:47:19,559 --> 01:47:22,520 - [Safinia] Yeah. - [Gibson] Come up weeks later as soup. 1457 01:47:22,562 --> 01:47:25,982 - [Safinia] Yeah. - [Gibson] And, uh... 1458 01:47:26,065 --> 01:47:28,860 ...big jump. It's about 175 feet. 1459 01:47:30,445 --> 01:47:33,156 So in order to get that effect, 1460 01:47:33,239 --> 01:47:36,951 we had to jump Rudy off a 175-foot building in a harness. 1461 01:47:37,035 --> 01:47:39,245 [Safinia] It's a good example, this sequence, 1462 01:47:39,329 --> 01:47:41,873 of the marriage between stunts, 1463 01:47:41,914 --> 01:47:46,169 visual effects and camera work, 1464 01:47:46,252 --> 01:47:50,548 because, uh, the shaky effects 1465 01:47:50,590 --> 01:47:53,676 and the steam and everything really sell it. 1466 01:47:58,264 --> 01:48:00,475 Of course, the rest of this is all real. 1467 01:48:01,893 --> 01:48:04,228 [Gibson] Not all. There's a few jumps that aren't. 1468 01:48:04,270 --> 01:48:07,857 [Safinia] Oh, that's right. I know. [laughing] 1469 01:48:07,940 --> 01:48:10,360 [Gibson] But they look good, dynamic. 1470 01:48:10,443 --> 01:48:13,279 But that is a real waterfall. It's a beauty. 1471 01:48:36,260 --> 01:48:38,596 - [Gibson]Remember <i>Get Smart?</i> - [Safinia] Yeah. 1472 01:48:38,638 --> 01:48:41,849 [Gibson] When he used to say something arrogant like this to... 1473 01:48:41,933 --> 01:48:44,185 The other guy would get the upper hand, he'd say, 1474 01:48:44,268 --> 01:48:48,773 "Hey, I hope I didn't get to you with that crack about this being my forest." 1475 01:48:48,815 --> 01:48:51,275 - [Safinia laughs] - [Gibson] It's like... 1476 01:48:57,615 --> 01:49:00,201 [Safinia] I love the other guys in this. Look at them... 1477 01:49:00,284 --> 01:49:02,995 - [Gibson] They're like... Lookit. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1478 01:49:03,037 --> 01:49:04,747 - [Gibson] Huh. - [Safinia laughs] 1479 01:49:04,831 --> 01:49:08,000 [Gibson] Like, "What did he...?" Yikes. [giggles] 1480 01:49:22,557 --> 01:49:26,978 [Safinia] Again, another real jump, this one, off another... a crane. 1481 01:49:27,019 --> 01:49:29,647 - [Gibson] Real jump off another area. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1482 01:49:29,689 --> 01:49:34,277 - [Gibson] Of course, that's all real. - [Safinia laughs] Yeah. 1483 01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:36,696 - [Gibson] He's happy he made it. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1484 01:49:36,737 --> 01:49:39,365 You wanted a big smile there. He just... 1485 01:49:42,702 --> 01:49:44,495 This... People... Oh! 1486 01:49:44,537 --> 01:49:46,080 [Gibson] Worst part of the film. 1487 01:49:46,164 --> 01:49:49,208 - [Safinia] It is. It's just... - [Gibson] That's a primal fear. 1488 01:49:49,292 --> 01:49:51,544 Jump in the water. There could be something... 1489 01:49:51,627 --> 01:49:53,212 [Safinia] Something down there. 1490 01:49:59,218 --> 01:50:02,930 - [Safinia] This is actual stunt work. - [Gibson] Guys are taking the ride. 1491 01:50:03,014 --> 01:50:06,309 That wasn't easy. You get banged around in there. 1492 01:50:06,893 --> 01:50:09,520 - [Safinia] So is he here. - [Gibson] Oh, yeah. 1493 01:50:10,897 --> 01:50:13,608 Oh, yeah. Oh, the mud hole. Oof. 1494 01:50:20,573 --> 01:50:24,535 [Safinia] Again, I have to say, testament to the work of the... 1495 01:50:24,577 --> 01:50:28,247 - [Gibson] Chucho Duran. - [Safinia] Also the makeup people. 1496 01:50:28,331 --> 01:50:31,751 To ask a makeup crew to create prosthetics and makeup 1497 01:50:31,834 --> 01:50:34,921 that you can put through water and mud and jungle... 1498 01:50:34,962 --> 01:50:38,257 - [Gibson] I see what you're saying. - [Safinia] Amazing. 1499 01:50:40,259 --> 01:50:42,720 - And Rudy... - [Gibson] Love the way he looks around. 1500 01:50:42,762 --> 01:50:45,223 [Safinia] Just goes down under that thing. 1501 01:50:45,973 --> 01:50:47,767 [Safinia laughs] 1502 01:50:52,355 --> 01:50:54,815 - [Safinia] Greens. - [Gibson] Isn't it something? 1503 01:50:54,899 --> 01:50:56,984 - [Safinia] Amazing. - [Gibson] Beautiful. 1504 01:50:57,068 --> 01:50:59,487 [Safinia] There's an observatory there and they... 1505 01:50:59,570 --> 01:51:01,656 - [Gibson] Doesn't look real. - [Safinia] No. 1506 01:51:01,739 --> 01:51:04,492 - [both laugh] - [Safinia] No. They did a great job. 1507 01:51:04,575 --> 01:51:05,618 [Gibson] I love this. 1508 01:51:05,701 --> 01:51:08,120 [Safinia] This is my favorite moment in the film. 1509 01:51:08,204 --> 01:51:10,289 [Gibson] When he pops out... [screeches] 1510 01:51:10,373 --> 01:51:13,584 [Safinia] Primal kind of the rebirth of man kind of thing, 1511 01:51:13,626 --> 01:51:16,587 - coming out of the earth. - [Gibson] Reborn of mud and earth. 1512 01:51:16,629 --> 01:51:18,631 [Safinia] And it was prophesized too... 1513 01:51:18,714 --> 01:51:20,967 - [Gibson] The kid. - [Safinia] Can you believe it? 1514 01:51:21,050 --> 01:51:22,802 - [Gibson] How about that? - [Safinia laughs] 1515 01:51:22,885 --> 01:51:25,555 [Gibson] How about that? Must be self-fulfilling prophecy. 1516 01:51:25,638 --> 01:51:27,598 [both laugh] 1517 01:51:29,308 --> 01:51:33,187 [Safinia] But I think honestly that the visuals here are just wonderful. 1518 01:51:33,271 --> 01:51:35,022 - [Gibson] Pretty. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1519 01:51:35,106 --> 01:51:38,317 He went for it. He did it. He just went under and came up. 1520 01:51:38,359 --> 01:51:40,653 - [Gibson] Yeah. - [Safinia] Mud in his mouth... 1521 01:51:40,736 --> 01:51:43,197 [Gibson] His eyes, I mean, ugh. 1522 01:51:43,281 --> 01:51:46,284 - He had scratches on his irises. - [Safinia] And he looks like... 1523 01:51:46,325 --> 01:51:49,829 - [Gibson] A jaguar. - [Safinia] That's right. Yeah. 1524 01:52:00,214 --> 01:52:02,633 [Safinia] They were chasing that flare all day. 1525 01:52:02,675 --> 01:52:04,343 [Gibson] Yeah. 1526 01:52:06,262 --> 01:52:09,473 I kept making him jump, or, "Now do it over here. Get that flare." 1527 01:52:09,515 --> 01:52:11,642 We just get a hint of it. 1528 01:52:25,656 --> 01:52:28,993 [Safinia] I love the way you always said that the most important moment 1529 01:52:29,035 --> 01:52:33,456 in this character's arc, you played on the back of his head. 1530 01:52:33,539 --> 01:52:37,543 - You don't even see him. - [Gibson] Yeah. You see it there. Ooh. 1531 01:52:55,728 --> 01:52:57,730 - [Gibson] So private. - [Safinia] Mm-hm. 1532 01:52:57,772 --> 01:53:00,399 - [Gibson] He's talking to himself. - [Safinia] Right. 1533 01:53:00,483 --> 01:53:02,902 - Don't want to be on the other side. - [Gibson] No. 1534 01:53:12,662 --> 01:53:15,706 - [Gibson] Kind of looks like Gumby. - [Safinia] Yeah, yeah. 1535 01:53:34,892 --> 01:53:38,020 [Gibson] And the beautiful Dalia, and the kid is adorable. 1536 01:53:38,104 --> 01:53:40,356 - Everything. - [Safinia] This is his scene. 1537 01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:43,526 [Gibson] Yeah. Oh, absolutely. He doesn't do anything. [laughs] 1538 01:53:43,609 --> 01:53:45,152 [Safinia] This, yeah. 1539 01:53:53,619 --> 01:53:56,789 [Safinia] You work really hard to create something between them 1540 01:53:56,872 --> 01:54:00,876 that was, you know, on a more level footing than... 1541 01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:04,588 - [Gibson] But that's right. - ...than a mother/son relationship. 1542 01:54:04,630 --> 01:54:07,758 [Gibson] This, I mean, you can imagine she had him when she was 14. 1543 01:54:07,800 --> 01:54:10,010 They practically are like... 1544 01:54:15,099 --> 01:54:17,017 <i>[grunts]</i> 1545 01:54:25,818 --> 01:54:27,862 [Safinia] Dalia's quite athletic too. 1546 01:54:27,945 --> 01:54:32,283 She's a dancer from Jalapa in Veracruz. 1547 01:54:32,324 --> 01:54:33,826 She's a dance student. 1548 01:54:35,077 --> 01:54:36,787 [Gibson] We saw her in action. 1549 01:54:36,829 --> 01:54:39,415 She used to get on the floor and do the salsa dancing. 1550 01:54:39,498 --> 01:54:42,168 Unbelievable. That gal can move. 1551 01:54:42,877 --> 01:54:46,172 - [Safinia] This music cue is fantastic. - [Gibson] Great music cue. 1552 01:54:46,213 --> 01:54:49,258 [Safinia] James Horner really did a good job on this. 1553 01:54:50,009 --> 01:54:52,011 [Gibson] This is a great cue. 1554 01:55:11,238 --> 01:55:13,741 [Safinia] Everything is told visually, completely. 1555 01:55:13,824 --> 01:55:16,368 Nothing is... He hasn't got anyone to speak to. 1556 01:55:16,452 --> 01:55:18,329 He's not gonna say anything to the frog. 1557 01:55:18,370 --> 01:55:21,207 [Gibson] Ain't much dialogue after the cornfields. 1558 01:55:21,290 --> 01:55:22,792 [Safinia] No, nothing really. 1559 01:55:29,256 --> 01:55:33,928 And that was really always a goal. It was an aim to create that kind of thing. 1560 01:55:34,303 --> 01:55:37,389 Ariel, who plays Hanging Moss. 1561 01:55:37,473 --> 01:55:40,976 - [Gibson] He's allergic to wasps. - [Safinia laughs] Allergic to wasps. 1562 01:55:48,734 --> 01:55:52,571 Again, a great combination of greens work and set design here 1563 01:55:52,655 --> 01:55:55,115 to create this tree with the water underneath it, 1564 01:55:55,199 --> 01:55:56,659 in the rest of the forest 1565 01:55:56,742 --> 01:55:59,411 - and blend it in. - [Gibson] To make it distinguished. 1566 01:55:59,453 --> 01:56:01,497 You haven't seen it before, 1567 01:56:01,580 --> 01:56:05,125 and when you see it again, hopefully it will tell you that the man's just run 1568 01:56:05,209 --> 01:56:07,503 - around in a big circle. - [Safinia] Mm-hm. 1569 01:56:07,586 --> 01:56:10,965 [Gibson] Not just that, but traveling from left to right, right to left, 1570 01:56:11,048 --> 01:56:13,050 - on the overhead shot. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1571 01:56:13,092 --> 01:56:16,303 - [Gibson] Hopefully we get the story. - [Safinia] I think so. Yeah. 1572 01:56:29,775 --> 01:56:33,112 [Gibson] I love this build to nothing. 1573 01:56:33,904 --> 01:56:35,739 [Safinia] It takes you somewhere else. 1574 01:56:35,781 --> 01:56:40,452 'Cause you think he's waiting for them, but then... oops. 1575 01:56:40,494 --> 01:56:43,163 [Gibson] He don't like thunder. "What's up?" 1576 01:57:00,973 --> 01:57:03,183 [Safinia] Dalia also had a great stunt double. 1577 01:57:03,267 --> 01:57:05,227 - [Gibson] Tough gal. - [Safinia] Nayeli. 1578 01:57:05,311 --> 01:57:08,731 Yeah, whose... There aren't many stunt women in Mexico. 1579 01:57:08,814 --> 01:57:10,774 - And... - [Gibson] I think there was one. 1580 01:57:10,816 --> 01:57:12,651 - [Safinia] We got her. - [both laugh] 1581 01:57:12,693 --> 01:57:14,570 And here she is doing her... 1582 01:57:14,653 --> 01:57:17,573 [Gibson] No, there were three, at least, working with us, yeah. 1583 01:57:17,656 --> 01:57:20,409 - [Safinia] True. - [Gibson] Probably six, at that rate. 1584 01:57:20,492 --> 01:57:22,453 [Safinia laughs] 1585 01:57:26,040 --> 01:57:29,126 [Gibson] She was up for it, man, taking the falls with it. 1586 01:57:57,738 --> 01:58:00,199 [Gibson] That was done the old-fashioned way. 1587 01:58:01,867 --> 01:58:04,286 - [Safinia] The zoom-in move. - [Gibson] Yeah. 1588 01:58:06,080 --> 01:58:09,583 [Safinia] I love this, when he looks at it. [laughs] 1589 01:58:09,667 --> 01:58:11,710 [Gibson] "What the...?" 1590 01:58:14,713 --> 01:58:17,925 [Safinia] Remember you told him, "You're losing a limb at a time, 1591 01:58:18,008 --> 01:58:23,055 in terms of your ability to use them." He started failing. 1592 01:58:23,138 --> 01:58:25,975 <i>[choking]</i> 1593 01:58:31,563 --> 01:58:34,191 - [Gibson] I just love this sequence. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1594 01:58:34,233 --> 01:58:38,612 - [Gibson] Took a long time to film it. - [Safinia] A very long time. 1595 01:58:43,117 --> 01:58:48,080 [Gibson] And this is an example of the Genesis and film going hand-in-hand. 1596 01:58:48,122 --> 01:58:51,417 You can't tell where one begins and the other... 1597 01:58:56,422 --> 01:58:59,425 [Safinia] It's about the number of angles you show in this thing. 1598 01:58:59,508 --> 01:59:03,262 - Everything is different. - [Gibson] There's a million of them. 1599 01:59:26,201 --> 01:59:27,786 [Gibson] Ooh. 1600 01:59:29,121 --> 01:59:31,665 The sound too, the sound work here. 1601 01:59:31,749 --> 01:59:35,377 [Safinia] Yep, slowing it down, taking a little bit surreal. 1602 01:59:36,128 --> 01:59:37,755 [Gibson] It's good. 1603 01:59:37,796 --> 01:59:40,466 - What you take out, what you leave in. - [Safinia] Mm-hm. 1604 01:59:41,425 --> 01:59:43,802 <i>- [yelling] - [grunting]</i> 1605 01:59:51,310 --> 01:59:54,688 [Safinia] Now this shot here, I remember, Rudy was trying very hard... 1606 01:59:54,772 --> 01:59:56,148 [Gibson] Not to laugh. 1607 01:59:56,190 --> 01:59:58,484 [Safinia] Gerardo was pulling all these faces. 1608 01:59:58,567 --> 02:00:02,112 - Look at him there. He's... - [both laugh] 1609 02:00:02,946 --> 02:00:04,823 [Safinia] Look, he's trying so hard. 1610 02:00:04,907 --> 02:00:07,367 <i>[grunting]</i> 1611 02:00:11,330 --> 02:00:13,665 [Gibson] Oh, just from nowhere. 1612 02:00:20,923 --> 02:00:23,133 <i>[thunder rumbles]</i> 1613 02:00:37,689 --> 02:00:40,651 [Gibson] See, it's the only thing he's afraid of now, rain. 1614 02:00:40,692 --> 02:00:42,611 [Safinia] All that's left. The rain here 1615 02:00:42,694 --> 02:00:45,739 is the work of Chucho Duran's team down in Mexico. 1616 02:00:45,823 --> 02:00:48,242 Making it look like it's raining everywhere is... 1617 02:00:48,325 --> 02:00:51,036 - [Gibson] Boy, that was tough. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1618 02:00:51,078 --> 02:00:53,080 - [Gibson] A lot of area. - [Safinia] A lot. 1619 02:00:53,163 --> 02:00:55,707 Some of these shots are very wide. 1620 02:01:10,556 --> 02:01:12,558 <i>[gasping]</i> 1621 02:01:30,951 --> 02:01:33,162 - [Gibson] Cool. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1622 02:01:33,245 --> 02:01:37,457 [Gibson] Love that close-up. Love these close-ups with the light here. 1623 02:01:37,749 --> 02:01:40,586 - [Safinia] This one, the taking away. - [Gibson] Oh, yeah. 1624 02:01:40,627 --> 02:01:43,046 - [Safinia] Taking off. - [Gibson] That guy can run. 1625 02:01:43,088 --> 02:01:44,590 [both laugh] 1626 02:02:04,109 --> 02:02:08,906 [Safinia laughs] It's the boy. A boy's just... 1627 02:02:08,947 --> 02:02:12,659 - [Gibson] He's having pains too. - [Safinia laughs] He is. 1628 02:02:12,743 --> 02:02:15,871 - He loved being in there, though. - [Gibson] Oh, yeah. 1629 02:02:15,954 --> 02:02:19,499 [Safinia] When we turned the water on, it was like we just... it was all 1630 02:02:19,583 --> 02:02:22,878 - happening at the same time. - [Gibson] He'd play and swim around. 1631 02:02:24,963 --> 02:02:26,465 It's a great shot. 1632 02:02:48,904 --> 02:02:52,699 [Gibson] Love the water dripping off his eyeball there, really ominous. 1633 02:02:52,783 --> 02:02:55,285 [Safinia] It's hard. We realized, making this, 1634 02:02:55,327 --> 02:02:57,412 how hard it is to keep eyes open in the rain. 1635 02:02:57,496 --> 02:02:59,915 - [Gibson] You kidding? - [Safinia] These guys did. 1636 02:02:59,998 --> 02:03:01,333 [Gibson] We tried. Brutal. 1637 02:03:01,416 --> 02:03:03,669 [Safinia] You bribed people with ice creams... 1638 02:03:03,752 --> 02:03:08,048 - [Gibson laughs] Houses, cars. - [Safinia] Houses, cars. 1639 02:03:08,131 --> 02:03:11,343 [Gibson] I said they won't actually be life-size, any of them. 1640 02:03:24,856 --> 02:03:29,236 - [Gibson] I forgot about that trap. - [Safinia] Great sound job. 1641 02:03:29,319 --> 02:03:31,196 - [Gibson] Yeah. - [Safinia] Amazing. 1642 02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:35,075 There's so many different sounds you hear at the same time on that trap. 1643 02:03:35,158 --> 02:03:37,536 So that you know what's coming. 1644 02:04:16,408 --> 02:04:21,121 [Safinia] Another really cool cue here from James on the music. 1645 02:04:21,204 --> 02:04:25,959 [Gibson] Yeah. Oh, yeah. Good cues. All this music is great. 1646 02:04:26,043 --> 02:04:27,461 [Safinia] Mm-hm. 1647 02:05:12,089 --> 02:05:14,466 <i>[groaning]</i> 1648 02:06:06,184 --> 02:06:09,062 [Safinia] So this is, um... 1649 02:06:09,146 --> 02:06:12,566 This is where the story started really, isn't it? 1650 02:06:12,649 --> 02:06:15,193 [Gibson] Yeah, this is the first thing I thought of. 1651 02:06:15,235 --> 02:06:17,821 [Safinia laughs] You said it was a joke. 1652 02:06:17,863 --> 02:06:18,864 [Gibson] Yeah. 1653 02:06:18,947 --> 02:06:23,869 [Safinia] You said there's a guy being chased by ten really bad guys 1654 02:06:23,952 --> 02:06:26,288 and he comes out onto this beach and he collapses 1655 02:06:26,371 --> 02:06:29,541 and he's exhausted and he looks up. 1656 02:06:29,583 --> 02:06:31,835 [Gibson] It's the end, Columbus is arriving... 1657 02:06:31,877 --> 02:06:33,795 [Safinia] Christopher Columbus. 1658 02:06:33,879 --> 02:06:36,715 And we laughed. We thought, gosh, that's really funny. 1659 02:06:36,756 --> 02:06:39,968 But, you know, in truth, 1660 02:06:40,051 --> 02:06:43,889 the first encounter of Europeans with mainland... 1661 02:06:43,972 --> 02:06:46,558 - Any mainland civilization... - [Gibson] Was Mayans. 1662 02:06:46,600 --> 02:06:50,228 [Safinia] ...was Mayans in 1502 when Columbus had his fourth expedition. 1663 02:06:50,270 --> 02:06:53,440 [Gibson] Right here. And I believe it was four ships. 1664 02:06:53,523 --> 02:06:56,193 [Safinia] It was, and he actually got back only with one. 1665 02:06:56,234 --> 02:06:58,361 - He had a rough time. - [Gibson] Ooh, rugged. 1666 02:06:58,403 --> 02:07:02,699 - [Safinia] Yeah. - Had a rougher time when he got back. 1667 02:07:02,741 --> 02:07:04,993 [Safinia] So people have said to me, 1668 02:07:05,076 --> 02:07:07,579 "Is this conquistadors?" It doesn't really matter. 1669 02:07:07,662 --> 02:07:10,790 In truth, the first encounter was, yes, Spanish. 1670 02:07:10,874 --> 02:07:13,793 And it was Columbus in 1502, when he ran into a Mayan... 1671 02:07:13,877 --> 02:07:17,464 [Gibson] Everyone calls it "conquistadors." They don't know... 1672 02:07:17,547 --> 02:07:19,466 [Safinia laughs] They don't. 1673 02:07:19,549 --> 02:07:22,260 [Gibson] They presume to know what they're talking about. 1674 02:07:22,344 --> 02:07:24,137 Maybe if they did their damn homework. 1675 02:07:24,221 --> 02:07:27,349 [Safinia] We never said anything. You see these people twice. 1676 02:07:27,432 --> 02:07:28,433 [Gibson] Yeah. 1677 02:07:28,517 --> 02:07:31,394 [Safinia] The, uh... Those ships were real again. 1678 02:07:31,436 --> 02:07:34,773 [Gibson] Yeah. And by the way, the conquistador was the set designer. 1679 02:07:34,856 --> 02:07:36,066 [Safinia] Tom Sanders. 1680 02:07:36,107 --> 02:07:39,110 [Gibson] And the Franciscan was Simon Atherton, the weapon guy. 1681 02:07:39,194 --> 02:07:40,779 [Safinia] The weapons master. 1682 02:07:40,862 --> 02:07:42,614 <i>[crying]</i> 1683 02:07:42,656 --> 02:07:45,784 - [Gibson] And that's not a real baby. - [Safinia laughs] 1684 02:07:48,453 --> 02:07:50,622 [Safinia] But the thing here is Dalia's look. 1685 02:07:50,664 --> 02:07:53,083 - Where did she find that? Amazing. - [Gibson] Beautiful. 1686 02:07:53,124 --> 02:07:55,794 [Safinia] She's amazing. 1687 02:07:55,877 --> 02:08:00,465 - [Gibson] That's a real baby. - [both laugh] 1688 02:08:31,496 --> 02:08:34,457 [Safinia] She's really wonderful in this scene. 1689 02:08:34,499 --> 02:08:35,834 So is he. 1690 02:08:35,917 --> 02:08:39,170 [Gibson] She didn't know it, but she has the soul of an actress. 1691 02:08:39,254 --> 02:08:42,424 [Safinia] Yes. Actually, what they're both able to do is... 1692 02:08:44,009 --> 02:08:46,678 Is allow you to read into a lot more that's going on 1693 02:08:46,720 --> 02:08:49,389 - underneath the words. - [Gibson] Yeah, it's great. 1694 02:09:32,098 --> 02:09:35,226 [Gibson] Hmm. Nice music cue at the end. 1695 02:09:36,311 --> 02:09:38,229 Hmm. 1696 02:09:41,733 --> 02:09:43,485 Interesting. 1697 02:09:45,737 --> 02:09:49,157 - See, there's Farhad. - [Safinia laughs] 1698 02:09:49,240 --> 02:09:51,826 - [Gibson] There's... - [Safinia] That's you, though. 1699 02:09:51,910 --> 02:09:54,079 - [Gibson] There's Bruce. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1700 02:09:54,162 --> 02:09:57,123 - [laughter] - [Safinia] Ned and Vicki. 1701 02:10:00,085 --> 02:10:05,340 - [Gibson] Ah, yes, Dean's the man. - [Safinia laughs, coughs] 1702 02:10:05,423 --> 02:10:06,591 [Gibson] Tom Sanders. 1703 02:10:06,675 --> 02:10:09,552 [Safinia] Tom Sanders grew his beard for a year, 1704 02:10:09,594 --> 02:10:12,472 vying for that part of the guy in the boat. 1705 02:10:12,555 --> 02:10:15,266 [Gibson] We had a bet, but I couldn't take it anymore. 1706 02:10:15,308 --> 02:10:17,268 - [Safinia laughs] - [Gibson] Yeah. 1707 02:10:17,352 --> 02:10:19,938 No, everyone did a sterling job. 1708 02:10:22,065 --> 02:10:24,984 [Safinia] Carla with her casting, searching almost, I think, 1709 02:10:25,068 --> 02:10:28,613 something like three continents looking for people. 1710 02:10:30,281 --> 02:10:33,535 - [Gibson] Hey, you were on there twice. - [Safinia laughs] 1711 02:10:41,376 --> 02:10:43,878 [Safinia] And, of course, all the Mexican crew. 1712 02:10:43,962 --> 02:10:46,715 - [Gibson] Oh, wow. - [Safinia] With Anna Roth and... 1713 02:10:46,798 --> 02:10:49,008 [Gibson] Unbelievable. 1714 02:10:49,092 --> 02:10:54,222 The effort and the ability down there is... It's amazing. 1715 02:10:55,849 --> 02:10:57,976 The grips. You were always blown away by... 1716 02:10:58,059 --> 02:11:00,770 [Safinia] I couldn't believe. I kept describing things. 1717 02:11:00,812 --> 02:11:03,982 The amazing thing about this film, I think, everybody remembers 1718 02:11:04,023 --> 02:11:07,652 is the chase, you know, and the insane velocity 1719 02:11:07,736 --> 02:11:10,321 with which you're shooting and capturing everything. 1720 02:11:10,363 --> 02:11:13,658 And I think if you try and think about sometimes there's a guy pushing 1721 02:11:13,742 --> 02:11:17,829 an actual dolly at that pace and having to stop it. 1722 02:11:17,912 --> 02:11:20,165 - [Gibson] Yeah. - [Safinia] That's the thing, 1723 02:11:20,206 --> 02:11:23,084 trying to stop the dolly as it's going along at whatever it is, 1724 02:11:23,168 --> 02:11:25,336 - 15 miles an hour. - [Gibson] One time, 1725 02:11:25,420 --> 02:11:28,631 the dolly came off the tracks, and one of the grips, 1726 02:11:28,673 --> 02:11:31,509 he caught the whole piece right in his lap, didn't he? 1727 02:11:31,593 --> 02:11:33,011 [Safinia] Oh, that's right. 1728 02:11:33,052 --> 02:11:36,639 [Gibson] Lucky he was an enormous man. I think it would have squished him. 1729 02:11:36,681 --> 02:11:37,682 [Safinia] I know. 1730 02:11:37,766 --> 02:11:40,268 [Gibson] I don't think he was feeling too good. 1731 02:11:43,021 --> 02:11:44,063 [Safinia] The grips, 1732 02:11:44,147 --> 02:11:48,193 because also they had to deal with that jungle terrain, and it's not easy to do. 1733 02:11:48,276 --> 02:11:50,570 It's very rocky and difficult to work in. 1734 02:11:50,653 --> 02:11:53,448 But I think also, the other thing for me 1735 02:11:53,531 --> 02:11:57,869 was it's the most amazing combination of set design, makeup, 1736 02:11:57,911 --> 02:12:01,372 costume and visual effects that I've seen in anything. 1737 02:12:01,414 --> 02:12:03,500 You don't realize, when you watch this film, 1738 02:12:03,541 --> 02:12:05,543 and we didn't point everyone out, 1739 02:12:05,585 --> 02:12:08,797 but there's something like 400 visual effects shots in this film. 1740 02:12:08,880 --> 02:12:11,341 - [Gibson] That's right. - [Safinia] And you're... 1741 02:12:11,382 --> 02:12:13,927 - ...hard-pressed to find one. - [Gibson] If you see. 1742 02:12:14,010 --> 02:12:16,262 That's Ted Rae. He's, uh... He likes to... 1743 02:12:16,346 --> 02:12:18,723 He likes to cover his tracks. 1744 02:12:22,060 --> 02:12:24,938 Hopefully, if you know the action's going along 1745 02:12:25,021 --> 02:12:27,732 and you're involved in the story, you won't think of that. 1746 02:12:27,774 --> 02:12:29,067 [Safinia] Won't think about it. 1747 02:12:29,108 --> 02:12:31,402 [Gibson] Every department did an excellent job. 1748 02:12:31,486 --> 02:12:34,197 - [Safinia] There are the sound guys. - [Gibson] Oh. 1749 02:12:34,239 --> 02:12:37,992 [Safinia] Hopefully, 19th is the lucky one for Kevin O'Connell. 1750 02:12:38,076 --> 02:12:40,453 - [Gibson] For Kevin O'Connell. - [Safinia laughs] 1751 02:12:40,537 --> 02:12:44,749 [Gibson] He's been nominated 19 times for an Oscar in sound and never won. 1752 02:12:44,833 --> 02:12:48,169 He's the most nominated man ever, but... 1753 02:12:48,253 --> 02:12:50,755 Not that he didn't deserve it. He's done great work. 1754 02:12:50,839 --> 02:12:53,633 - [Safinia] That's true. - [Gibson] I've used him twice, 1755 02:12:53,716 --> 02:12:57,804 and he's the ant's pants. And he'll probably get it. 1756 02:12:57,887 --> 02:13:00,223 [Safinia] I hope so. [clears throat] 1757 02:13:00,265 --> 02:13:03,935 And here we go with the makeup crew. 1758 02:13:03,977 --> 02:13:05,311 Look at these names. 1759 02:13:05,395 --> 02:13:09,983 [Gibson] Look at this. Whew, keep on going. 1760 02:13:10,066 --> 02:13:11,734 [Safinia] They just keep on going. 1761 02:13:11,776 --> 02:13:15,530 Every single one of them deserves to be there and... because they just... 1762 02:13:15,613 --> 02:13:18,616 The sheer grit with which they came back every single day 1763 02:13:18,658 --> 02:13:22,287 and put in the effort is really what is up there on the screen 1764 02:13:22,370 --> 02:13:24,747 for us to all see, and the hairstylists as well. 1765 02:13:24,789 --> 02:13:29,294 Aldo Signoretti designed those insane hair... [laughs] 1766 02:13:29,377 --> 02:13:31,045 [Gibson] He's good at big hair. 1767 02:13:31,129 --> 02:13:34,632 [Safinia laughs] He's good at big hair. No, but the detail, 1768 02:13:34,716 --> 02:13:38,052 and thank God for the Genesis, because you could pick up... 1769 02:13:38,136 --> 02:13:40,555 - [Gibson] Textures. - ...textures within the hair 1770 02:13:40,638 --> 02:13:43,558 - of those women in the city. - [Gibson] Just amazing. 1771 02:13:43,641 --> 02:13:47,312 I remember Anna Roth, our Mexico unit manager, 1772 02:13:47,353 --> 02:13:53,109 who said to me, the day that we shot the first scene at the top of the temple, 1773 02:13:53,151 --> 02:13:56,946 and she saw the king and the queen and all the nobility up there 1774 02:13:56,988 --> 02:14:00,950 with all the adornment and the dress and the scar on their faces 1775 02:14:00,992 --> 02:14:02,869 and the tattoos. 1776 02:14:02,952 --> 02:14:06,623 And she looked at it, and she was quite silent for a little while. 1777 02:14:06,664 --> 02:14:10,293 And then she said, "You know what? It's not that different today. 1778 02:14:10,335 --> 02:14:14,464 We still go for so much personal adornment." 1779 02:14:14,505 --> 02:14:17,258 And that was the most amazing thing to her. 1780 02:14:17,342 --> 02:14:19,928 And I was really happy that she said that 1781 02:14:20,011 --> 02:14:25,183 because you are trying to say some things about how things haven't changed 1782 02:14:25,224 --> 02:14:27,018 all that much and... 1783 02:14:27,101 --> 02:14:30,021 [Gibson] I remember going to the set that morning. 1784 02:14:30,063 --> 02:14:32,732 Maybe it wasn't that morning. But it was one of those days 1785 02:14:32,815 --> 02:14:35,860 when it was a real big day with a lot of extras, and the temple. 1786 02:14:35,944 --> 02:14:37,487 [Safinia] That's right. 1787 02:14:37,528 --> 02:14:40,323 [Gibson] And I remember, I saw little Mayes running around. 1788 02:14:40,365 --> 02:14:43,534 And I just looked at the costumes, and I got really emotional. 1789 02:14:43,618 --> 02:14:47,997 'Cause I realized the amount 1790 02:14:48,039 --> 02:14:50,708 - of almost perfect work that she did. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1791 02:14:50,792 --> 02:14:53,336 - [Gibson] She was humble. - [Safinia] That's right. 1792 02:14:53,378 --> 02:14:56,881 [Gibson] I just almost started crying because I... 1793 02:14:56,965 --> 02:14:59,968 - I told everybody that. - [Safinia] You got on the microphone. 1794 02:15:00,051 --> 02:15:03,388 [Gibson] I told everybody how proud I was because it was like, wow. 1795 02:15:03,429 --> 02:15:07,392 It blew my mind. When I saw it, it was like, wow. 1796 02:15:07,433 --> 02:15:11,187 Everybody was... Everybody did a top job. 1797 02:15:11,229 --> 02:15:14,232 [Safinia] They did, and again, like we mentioned earlier, 1798 02:15:14,273 --> 02:15:16,651 the AD crew could be mentioned again, 1799 02:15:16,734 --> 02:15:20,613 because organizing people who've never been in front of a camera before, 1800 02:15:20,697 --> 02:15:23,449 and hundreds of them at that... 1801 02:15:23,533 --> 02:15:25,702 [Gibson] They were like hamsters on wheels. 1802 02:15:25,743 --> 02:15:28,454 - [Safinia] Running. - [Gibson laughs] Like... 1803 02:15:28,538 --> 02:15:32,250 [Safinia] And you and they... you used every trick in the book, 1804 02:15:32,333 --> 02:15:36,796 including music and trying to get them 1805 02:15:36,879 --> 02:15:41,759 to react to what we were playing, extraordinarily lewd Mexican pop songs. 1806 02:15:41,801 --> 02:15:43,469 [Gibson] Soccer songs. 1807 02:15:43,553 --> 02:15:47,765 - Football favorites, yeah. - To get them to react the right way, 1808 02:15:47,807 --> 02:15:51,602 to get the reaction we wanted from them. 1809 02:15:51,644 --> 02:15:53,771 [Gibson] And, you know, generally speaking, 1810 02:15:53,855 --> 02:15:56,399 - the Mexican people are shy. - [Safinia] They are. 1811 02:15:56,441 --> 02:16:00,028 They're quite reserved. But, man, once they get the point, 1812 02:16:00,111 --> 02:16:04,866 once they get going, it's like, "Yeah!" They give it everything. 1813 02:16:04,949 --> 02:16:06,534 It was like really... 1814 02:16:18,463 --> 02:16:20,631 [Gibson] Yeah, the work ethic is huge. 1815 02:16:20,715 --> 02:16:23,217 [Safinia] I only realize when I looked at the credits 1816 02:16:23,301 --> 02:16:26,721 that we were a multinational shoot. [laughs] I didn't quite... 1817 02:16:26,804 --> 02:16:30,141 It didn't quite hit me that we shot, yeah, in Costa Rico, 1818 02:16:30,224 --> 02:16:34,312 and some things in the UK and some things in Ted Rae's backyard. 1819 02:16:34,353 --> 02:16:38,149 - [Gibson] Yes. - [Safinia] In the United States. 1820 02:16:38,191 --> 02:16:40,985 [Gibson] There's even a macro shot of my ingrown toenail. 1821 02:16:41,069 --> 02:16:43,446 [Safinia laughs] 1822 02:16:47,658 --> 02:16:49,827 - [Gibson] Mostly Veracruz. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1823 02:16:49,911 --> 02:16:54,916 [Gibson] And the people and the governor of Veracruz were great to us, amazing. 1824 02:16:55,458 --> 02:16:58,753 I think we were the only show where... Oh, never mind. I won't say that. 1825 02:16:58,836 --> 02:17:00,671 [Safinia laughs] 1826 02:17:03,591 --> 02:17:05,676 [Gibson] SpiderCam. 1827 02:17:06,469 --> 02:17:08,387 Whew. 1828 02:17:08,471 --> 02:17:11,849 Color by Deluxe. Don't you love saying that? 1829 02:17:11,891 --> 02:17:14,602 - [Safinia] I do. - [Gibson] Color by Deluxe. Say it. 1830 02:17:14,685 --> 02:17:17,230 [Safinia laughs] I can't, not the way you're saying it. 1831 02:17:17,313 --> 02:17:19,148 [Gibson] No, come on. Color by Deluxe. 1832 02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:21,526 - [Safinia] Never gonna be good. - [Gibson] No. 1833 02:17:21,609 --> 02:17:24,570 - [both laugh] - [Gibson] Well, at least say SDDS. 1834 02:17:24,654 --> 02:17:27,490 - [Safinia] SDDS. - [Gibson] That sucked. 1835 02:17:27,532 --> 02:17:30,952 [both laugh] 1836 02:17:33,204 --> 02:17:34,872 [Gibson] As my agent would say, 1837 02:17:34,914 --> 02:17:40,253 "Distributed by Buena Vista Pictures." 1838 02:17:40,336 --> 02:17:41,838 - There you go. - [Safinia] Yeah. 1839 02:17:41,879 --> 02:17:44,382 - [Gibson] What's that? - [Safinia] Touchstone logo. 1840 02:17:44,465 --> 02:17:46,092 [Gibson] Thought there was a hole. 1841 02:17:46,175 --> 02:17:47,718 - [Safinia] No. - [Gibson] Oh. 1842 02:17:47,802 --> 02:17:51,722 - [Safinia] And I think Icon's next. - [Gibson] Oh. 1843 02:17:51,806 --> 02:17:54,100 - [Safinia] There. - [Gibson] Let's applaud. 1844 02:17:54,183 --> 02:17:57,645 [whistling, applause] 1845 02:17:57,728 --> 02:17:59,772 [Safinia laughs] 1845 02:18:00,305 --> 02:19:00,873 Watch Online Movies and Series for FREE www.osdb.link/lm