Ted Bundy: Dialogue with the Devil

1 00:00:01,209 --> 00:00:04,045 [♪ dark music playing] 2 00:00:11,011 --> 00:00:14,014 [♪ eerie music playing] 3 00:00:19,978 --> 00:00:23,023 [Dr. Mary Ellen O'Toole] As a profiler and as an investigator, 4 00:00:23,565 --> 00:00:27,610 when talking with Gary Ridgway, I certainly identify with the difficulty 5 00:00:27,694 --> 00:00:32,073 of Keppel trying to get specifics out of Ted. 6 00:00:33,783 --> 00:00:35,035 Which is better for you? 7 00:00:35,118 --> 00:00:37,954 Which is more arousing to you, more stimulating, more exciting? 8 00:00:39,873 --> 00:00:42,459 [Gary Ridgway] I couldn't-- I couldn't, uh... 9 00:00:42,542 --> 00:00:44,169 [victim screaming] 10 00:00:44,252 --> 00:00:46,004 ...l-look at her face or anything like that. 11 00:00:46,087 --> 00:00:47,088 -When-- -Why? 12 00:00:47,172 --> 00:00:49,090 -When I was killing her, I just-- -Why? 13 00:00:50,258 --> 00:00:52,260 [♪ dark music playing] 14 00:00:52,552 --> 00:00:54,721 I didn't wanna know who I was killing. 15 00:00:56,639 --> 00:01:00,351 And... I never wanted to see what they looked like. 16 00:01:06,107 --> 00:01:07,108 [clicking] 17 00:01:13,740 --> 00:01:16,743 [♪ tense music playing] 18 00:01:20,246 --> 00:01:24,250 We have almost two dozen young women dead, the victims of the Green River Killer. 19 00:01:25,960 --> 00:01:29,005 [William Birnes] The whole premise was using one killer 20 00:01:29,089 --> 00:01:30,757 to catch another killer. 21 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:32,926 It had never been done before. 22 00:01:33,843 --> 00:01:36,679 And that became The Silence of the Lambs. 23 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:44,074 Support us and become VIP member to remove all ads from www.OpenSubtitles.org 24 00:01:46,022 --> 00:01:49,025 [♪ tense music playing] 25 00:02:03,832 --> 00:02:06,960 [♪ tense music continues] 26 00:02:14,259 --> 00:02:15,885 Less than six hours from now, 27 00:02:15,969 --> 00:02:19,055 accused mass murderer Ted Bundy is scheduled to be executed 28 00:02:19,139 --> 00:02:20,348 in a Florida prison. 29 00:02:27,438 --> 00:02:30,441 [♪ intense music playing] 30 00:02:36,531 --> 00:02:39,617 [♪ dark music playing] 31 00:02:48,251 --> 00:02:50,253 [♪ tense music playing] 32 00:02:50,879 --> 00:02:53,339 [reporter] Time is running out for Ted Bundy. 33 00:02:53,423 --> 00:02:55,550 He is scheduled to die in Florida's electric chair. 34 00:02:55,633 --> 00:02:58,344 And now, he must hope for a last-minute reprieve. 35 00:02:59,971 --> 00:03:02,599 [Bob Keppel] I had seen Ted Bundy manipulate his way 36 00:03:02,682 --> 00:03:05,310 out of the electric chair for 10 years, 37 00:03:05,393 --> 00:03:07,562 but now his fate seemed sealed. 38 00:03:08,229 --> 00:03:11,524 Only Florida's governor could save Ted's life, 39 00:03:11,608 --> 00:03:13,276 and that didn't seem likely. 40 00:03:13,359 --> 00:03:16,613 We are moving with anticipation of what might occur. 41 00:03:16,696 --> 00:03:18,698 [clock ticking] 42 00:03:20,450 --> 00:03:23,077 [Bob Dekle] I was exhilarated that day. 43 00:03:23,745 --> 00:03:24,996 Ted Bundy needed killing. 44 00:03:26,956 --> 00:03:30,168 [reporter] Ted Bundy, suspected in at least 36 murders 45 00:03:30,251 --> 00:03:31,961 and mutilations of young women, 46 00:03:32,045 --> 00:03:33,546 may finally be executed. 47 00:03:34,756 --> 00:03:38,259 Just about everybody who was a witness to the execution 48 00:03:38,343 --> 00:03:39,761 was somebody who worked on the case. 49 00:03:41,262 --> 00:03:42,597 [Bill Hagmaier] It was a full house. 50 00:03:43,097 --> 00:03:46,601 And outside, there were maybe a thousand people out there 51 00:03:46,684 --> 00:03:48,061 screaming and yelling. 52 00:03:48,144 --> 00:03:50,271 [crowd yelling indistinctly] 53 00:03:50,355 --> 00:03:51,522 It-- It's crazy. 54 00:03:53,066 --> 00:03:55,485 And you see Old Sparky sitting there in the middle of the room. 55 00:03:57,028 --> 00:04:00,114 Off to the right, is a phone hanging on the wall. 56 00:04:01,407 --> 00:04:03,701 And the door opens and in comes Bundy, 57 00:04:03,785 --> 00:04:06,454 and he is just white as a sheet. 58 00:04:08,831 --> 00:04:10,833 [♪ tense music playing] 59 00:04:11,459 --> 00:04:14,379 And they sit him down, and they strap him in the chair. 60 00:04:15,088 --> 00:04:17,632 [ticking] 61 00:04:21,761 --> 00:04:24,931 There's a guy standing over here, and he's on the phone with the governor. 62 00:04:27,100 --> 00:04:29,102 [♪ tense music continues] 63 00:04:29,894 --> 00:04:33,439 Our goal is to carry out the warrant as signed. 64 00:04:33,523 --> 00:04:35,483 It's still set for seven o'clock. 65 00:04:36,901 --> 00:04:40,154 [Bob Keppel] Florida's governor fulfilled Ted Bundy's greatest fear: 66 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,325 that he would die in prison. 67 00:04:44,409 --> 00:04:46,953 [♪ tense, ominous music playing] 68 00:04:53,167 --> 00:04:55,753 [Dekle] They dropped the hood. 69 00:04:58,923 --> 00:05:03,636 Now Bundy, he had a, uh, habit of making fists like this 70 00:05:04,220 --> 00:05:05,972 with his thumb between his fingers, 71 00:05:07,598 --> 00:05:10,685 and a thought ran through my head at that point, 72 00:05:10,768 --> 00:05:15,732 "I wonder how many necks those hands have tightened around?" 73 00:05:15,815 --> 00:05:18,484 [♪ tense, ominous music continues] 74 00:05:20,611 --> 00:05:23,323 The superintendent gives a high sign to the executioner, 75 00:05:23,406 --> 00:05:25,950 and they, uh, throw the switch. 76 00:05:26,034 --> 00:05:29,037 [electricity buzzing] 77 00:05:30,621 --> 00:05:32,999 You could see the body tense. 78 00:05:34,459 --> 00:05:37,712 You could see the hand tightening, 79 00:05:38,379 --> 00:05:39,505 tighter and tighter. 80 00:05:40,089 --> 00:05:43,134 [reporter] Two thousand volts of electricity raced through his body. 81 00:05:43,217 --> 00:05:44,302 The power surge caused 82 00:05:44,385 --> 00:05:46,846 lights outside the execution chamber to flicker. 83 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,600 It was the sign to the outside world that Bundy was dead. 84 00:05:50,683 --> 00:05:53,019 [crowd cheering] 85 00:05:53,102 --> 00:05:54,103 Yahoo! 86 00:05:55,521 --> 00:05:57,815 About damn time! 87 00:05:57,899 --> 00:05:59,442 [cheering continues] 88 00:05:59,525 --> 00:06:02,945 I got the phone call, and said it was over, he was dead. 89 00:06:04,030 --> 00:06:05,531 And I started to cry. 90 00:06:06,532 --> 00:06:08,785 And I cried. And I wailed. 91 00:06:08,868 --> 00:06:10,870 And all my husband could do was hold me. 92 00:06:10,953 --> 00:06:12,955 [♪ somber music playing] 93 00:06:13,039 --> 00:06:14,207 I wasn't crying for me. 94 00:06:14,290 --> 00:06:15,291 [camera clicks] 95 00:06:15,375 --> 00:06:17,919 I was crying for Margaret, and for Lisa... 96 00:06:18,711 --> 00:06:19,712 [camera clicks] 97 00:06:19,796 --> 00:06:21,255 ...and all his victims, 98 00:06:22,548 --> 00:06:24,133 and all their families, 99 00:06:25,676 --> 00:06:28,096 and all the things that they wanted to do. 100 00:06:28,596 --> 00:06:29,597 [camera clicks] 101 00:06:30,598 --> 00:06:33,101 [Eleanor Rose] I waited for that day a long time, 102 00:06:33,893 --> 00:06:35,395 and it came. 103 00:06:35,478 --> 00:06:39,065 And then, the way I feel is today is today... 104 00:06:41,317 --> 00:06:43,778 and I still don't have Denise. 105 00:06:43,861 --> 00:06:46,197 [♪ somber music continues] 106 00:06:46,280 --> 00:06:47,281 [camera clicks] 107 00:06:47,782 --> 00:06:49,659 [Vivian Winters] We were so upset. 108 00:06:49,742 --> 00:06:52,453 You know, it was very emotional for us. 109 00:06:53,788 --> 00:06:56,833 One of the magazines rang our doorbell 110 00:06:56,916 --> 00:06:58,668 and my husband went to answer. 111 00:06:58,751 --> 00:07:01,462 And flash bulbs are flashing. 112 00:07:01,546 --> 00:07:04,298 And he said, "How do you feel about the execution?" 113 00:07:04,382 --> 00:07:06,717 Dale just slammed the door on him. 114 00:07:07,885 --> 00:07:11,889 Let's not make a circus out of this, people's tragedies. 115 00:07:14,559 --> 00:07:17,228 [Karen Sparks Epley] I don't believe in executions. 116 00:07:17,311 --> 00:07:20,982 But in that case, I was happy that he... 117 00:07:21,566 --> 00:07:24,819 was, um, executed, 118 00:07:24,902 --> 00:07:26,779 because he was just a total monster. 119 00:07:29,824 --> 00:07:31,409 I was bawling my eyes out. 120 00:07:32,285 --> 00:07:35,371 Although, I knew that, you know, this person needed to go. 121 00:07:36,289 --> 00:07:39,083 I wasn't just crying for my brother or for myself. 122 00:07:39,667 --> 00:07:41,544 It was because of the situation. 123 00:07:42,378 --> 00:07:44,964 You know, "Thanks a lot. You know, you ruined so many lives. 124 00:07:45,047 --> 00:07:46,591 "And you're making me upset right now 125 00:07:46,674 --> 00:07:48,593 and 'cause there's nothing I can do about it." 126 00:07:48,676 --> 00:07:50,720 [crowd cheering] 127 00:07:50,803 --> 00:07:53,514 [Roger Dunn] I've had mixed emotions about the death penalty. 128 00:07:53,598 --> 00:07:56,350 For Bundy, I'm glad they executed him. 129 00:07:57,518 --> 00:07:59,979 -[camera clicks] -Now, with his death, 130 00:08:00,062 --> 00:08:03,357 and his confession on Bob's tapes, 131 00:08:04,025 --> 00:08:08,529 I think the victims' families have some solace at this point. 132 00:08:10,740 --> 00:08:13,367 [Bob Keppel] The last words I had said to Bundy were, 133 00:08:13,451 --> 00:08:15,203 "You've just killed yourself." 134 00:08:16,370 --> 00:08:19,457 I thought of those words as I flew home to Seattle. 135 00:08:19,832 --> 00:08:22,335 [♪ dark music playing] 136 00:08:24,462 --> 00:08:25,796 [Dave Keppel] It was the morning. 137 00:08:26,547 --> 00:08:29,800 I was surprised to see dad already home. 138 00:08:30,468 --> 00:08:32,595 I said, "Did you stay for execution?" 139 00:08:32,678 --> 00:08:33,804 And he said, "No." 140 00:08:34,639 --> 00:08:36,933 But then he kind of smiled and looked down, 141 00:08:37,016 --> 00:08:38,726 and he was frying bacon. 142 00:08:39,143 --> 00:08:40,686 [laughing] 143 00:08:40,770 --> 00:08:41,771 In the kitchen. 144 00:08:41,854 --> 00:08:43,147 [bacon sizzling] 145 00:08:43,231 --> 00:08:45,066 So, we had a good laugh. 146 00:08:47,401 --> 00:08:50,821 I had thought that he had wanted to see the execution, 147 00:08:51,656 --> 00:08:53,157 but he said he didn't want to. 148 00:08:54,158 --> 00:08:56,202 He was done with Bundy at that point. 149 00:08:58,955 --> 00:09:00,373 [Bob Keppel] Bundy was dead. 150 00:09:01,082 --> 00:09:03,084 The Green River Killer wasn't. 151 00:09:03,876 --> 00:09:06,254 [reporter] Today, police identified the skeletal remains 152 00:09:06,337 --> 00:09:07,964 found in a ravine over the weekend 153 00:09:08,047 --> 00:09:09,882 as those of Cindy Anne Smith. 154 00:09:09,966 --> 00:09:13,386 Today's announcement brings the number of known victims to 37. 155 00:09:14,554 --> 00:09:17,682 [Bob Keppel] By now, it was the longest unsolved serial murder case 156 00:09:17,765 --> 00:09:19,016 in American history. 157 00:09:20,851 --> 00:09:24,021 Bundy had put himself into the Riverman's mind. 158 00:09:25,940 --> 00:09:28,359 Could he still help us from beyond the grave? 159 00:09:46,294 --> 00:09:47,336 [camera clicks] 160 00:09:47,420 --> 00:09:50,214 [Bob Keppel] Bundy was brought down by a witness in Utah. 161 00:09:51,549 --> 00:09:55,469 Could a witness also bring the Green River Killer to justice? 162 00:09:55,928 --> 00:09:57,847 [detective] Is that the man that assaulted you in 1982? 163 00:09:57,930 --> 00:09:58,973 [Rebecca Garde] That is the man. 164 00:09:59,056 --> 00:10:00,683 [detective] There's no doubt in your mind about that? 165 00:10:00,766 --> 00:10:01,767 [Garde] No doubt. 166 00:10:01,851 --> 00:10:05,271 He was right in my face when he was attacking me. 167 00:10:05,354 --> 00:10:08,608 There is no way I would not be able to remember that. 168 00:10:08,691 --> 00:10:11,736 [♪ intense music playing] 169 00:10:15,031 --> 00:10:18,034 [♪ dark music playing] 170 00:10:20,494 --> 00:10:21,871 [Bob Keppel] Bundy had told me 171 00:10:21,954 --> 00:10:25,791 that the Green River Killer was likely questioned by the police. 172 00:10:26,751 --> 00:10:28,127 Maybe even arrested. 173 00:10:39,805 --> 00:10:41,599 [Bob Keppel] Back in 1984, 174 00:10:41,682 --> 00:10:46,103 the task force had been sifting through 77,000 suspects, 175 00:10:46,187 --> 00:10:50,066 and that's when investigators heard an alarming story. 176 00:10:50,983 --> 00:10:55,404 The police had questioned a man about an attack on Rebecca Garde. 177 00:10:57,448 --> 00:11:00,910 [Garde] They actually showed me a bunch of photos, 178 00:11:00,993 --> 00:11:04,747 and I... had picked out his photo. 179 00:11:06,624 --> 00:11:10,753 [Bob Keppel] During the interview, the suspect admitted choking Garde 180 00:11:10,836 --> 00:11:13,631 because, he claimed, she'd bit him. 181 00:11:15,216 --> 00:11:16,509 [Katie Larson] He admitted to it. 182 00:11:16,592 --> 00:11:18,511 He said, "Oh, yeah, I strangled her, 183 00:11:18,594 --> 00:11:21,138 or tried to because she bit me and assaulted me." 184 00:11:21,222 --> 00:11:24,016 And was very forthcoming and candid about it, 185 00:11:24,100 --> 00:11:27,770 which, I think, you would naturally assume that would not be the case 186 00:11:27,853 --> 00:11:29,522 if he was trying to hide something. 187 00:11:30,773 --> 00:11:33,484 [Bob Keppel] Investigators track the man to his home. 188 00:11:33,567 --> 00:11:35,903 His name? Gary Ridgway. 189 00:11:35,986 --> 00:11:36,987 [camera clicks] 190 00:11:37,071 --> 00:11:38,698 [♪ dark, ominous music playing] 191 00:11:38,781 --> 00:11:41,701 Detectives took a hard look at Ridgway, 192 00:11:41,784 --> 00:11:42,868 and they realized 193 00:11:42,952 --> 00:11:46,497 that the Green River Task Force had already investigated him. 194 00:11:48,290 --> 00:11:51,460 Gary Ridgway first came to the attention of the task force 195 00:11:51,544 --> 00:11:56,340 when Marie Malvar disappeared on April 30, 1983. 196 00:11:57,299 --> 00:11:59,552 Marie Malvar disappeared off the strip. 197 00:11:59,635 --> 00:12:03,597 She had a pimp, a boyfriend, who saw her get into a truck. 198 00:12:03,681 --> 00:12:06,517 [♪ tense music playing] 199 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:08,477 [Richard Kraske] When she didn't return home, 200 00:12:08,561 --> 00:12:10,771 they went out looking for the truck in the neighborhood. 201 00:12:11,522 --> 00:12:13,357 They found it in Ridgway's driveway. 202 00:12:14,191 --> 00:12:16,152 So they called the police. 203 00:12:16,861 --> 00:12:18,738 [Patty Eakes] The police went out to Ridgway's house. 204 00:12:18,821 --> 00:12:20,865 You know, he admitted that he had sex with her, 205 00:12:20,948 --> 00:12:23,159 but then said that he had dropped her off. 206 00:12:23,242 --> 00:12:25,411 And again, she was just another missing person, 207 00:12:25,494 --> 00:12:28,622 so there was not a whole lot they could do about it. 208 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:33,335 [Bob Keppel] On May 7, 1984, Ridgway took a polygraph, 209 00:12:33,419 --> 00:12:36,005 administered by the King County Sheriff's Office, 210 00:12:36,589 --> 00:12:37,757 and passed. 211 00:12:38,591 --> 00:12:41,469 My client has passed a polygraph examination 212 00:12:41,552 --> 00:12:44,889 regarding whether or not he is the Green River Killer. 213 00:12:45,598 --> 00:12:49,268 He passed it, that means he was telling the truth when he said he was not. 214 00:12:50,436 --> 00:12:53,105 [Dekle] The polygraph operator that passed Ridgway-- 215 00:12:53,189 --> 00:12:55,649 even if this person is the best expert in the world, 216 00:12:55,733 --> 00:12:57,735 always get a second opinion. 217 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,030 Because, later on, it's gonna come back to bite you. 218 00:13:02,656 --> 00:13:04,825 [Bob Keppel] Ridgway was cleared at the time, 219 00:13:05,493 --> 00:13:07,745 but then, another tip came in. 220 00:13:08,662 --> 00:13:12,666 The boyfriend of one of the prostitutes who was abducted, 221 00:13:13,334 --> 00:13:17,797 that boyfriend gave them a description of the person driving the pickup truck 222 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:19,548 who was driving the victim away. 223 00:13:21,133 --> 00:13:23,594 [Bob Keppel] Police showed Kimi-Kai Pitsor's boyfriend 224 00:13:23,677 --> 00:13:25,429 a six-person photo lineup, 225 00:13:25,971 --> 00:13:28,390 and he made a tentative identification. 226 00:13:29,016 --> 00:13:31,769 [Birnes] They identified Gary Ridgway, again. 227 00:13:31,852 --> 00:13:34,772 King County investigator just released a list of reasons 228 00:13:34,855 --> 00:13:37,233 for last week's probe at a King County home. 229 00:13:37,316 --> 00:13:40,319 [Dave Reichert] We searched his house. We searched his vehicles. 230 00:13:40,402 --> 00:13:43,614 There was nothing there during the 1987 search 231 00:13:43,697 --> 00:13:46,325 that would cause us to make an arrest. 232 00:13:49,161 --> 00:13:53,040 [Bob Keppel] When the task force questioned Ridgway in 1987, 233 00:13:53,123 --> 00:13:55,793 they also took a saliva sample from him. 234 00:13:56,418 --> 00:13:58,921 [Larson] We asked him to chew on a piece of gauze. 235 00:13:59,004 --> 00:14:00,756 That was for blood typing. 236 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:04,343 Little did we know that that specific piece of gauze 237 00:14:04,426 --> 00:14:07,388 would be the key to this case 20 years later. 238 00:14:07,847 --> 00:14:09,348 [♪ dark music playing] 239 00:14:09,431 --> 00:14:12,601 [film strip whirring] 240 00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:15,437 [birds chirping] 241 00:14:15,521 --> 00:14:17,940 [Bob Keppel] The Green River case spanned decades, 242 00:14:18,023 --> 00:14:21,068 remaining constant even as the players in it moved on. 243 00:14:21,151 --> 00:14:22,152 [camera clicks] 244 00:14:22,236 --> 00:14:23,988 Dave Reichert rose through the ranks 245 00:14:24,071 --> 00:14:27,324 and won election as King County Sheriff in 1997. 246 00:14:27,992 --> 00:14:31,579 I began teaching the next generation of investigators 247 00:14:31,662 --> 00:14:33,873 at the University of Washington. 248 00:14:34,832 --> 00:14:38,377 When asked, I still gave advice to my former colleagues, 249 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:41,797 especially about serial murder investigations. 250 00:14:42,631 --> 00:14:44,091 [Reichert] When I became sheriff, 251 00:14:44,174 --> 00:14:48,178 we focused on any evidence that could have any DNA possibilities. 252 00:14:48,262 --> 00:14:53,392 We had bodily fluids that we had taken from victims who were, uh, intact. 253 00:14:54,059 --> 00:14:57,646 [Eakes] So, one of the unique things that the Green River Killer did 254 00:14:57,730 --> 00:15:02,693 is that he placed rocks inside the vaginas of some of his early victims. 255 00:15:03,944 --> 00:15:07,448 The fact that he had put a rock inside one of the victims 256 00:15:07,531 --> 00:15:09,783 actually ended up being kind of his undoing, 257 00:15:09,867 --> 00:15:14,622 because that rock had prevented his sperm from being washed away. 258 00:15:15,289 --> 00:15:17,583 And that's how they were able to get a DNA hit. 259 00:15:18,584 --> 00:15:20,586 [♪ dark music playing] 260 00:15:24,673 --> 00:15:26,634 [reporter] Police arrested Ridgway this afternoon 261 00:15:26,717 --> 00:15:31,138 and say DNA evidence links him to four of the 49 murders of the Green River case. 262 00:15:31,722 --> 00:15:35,601 [Bob Keppel] Technology had finally caught up with Gary Ridgway. 263 00:15:36,435 --> 00:15:38,771 Using advances in DNA typing, 264 00:15:38,854 --> 00:15:42,441 investigators matched the DNA left in victims 265 00:15:42,524 --> 00:15:44,276 to Ridgway's DNA 266 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:46,487 taken in 1987. 267 00:15:48,072 --> 00:15:52,076 I couldn't resist. I went out to the, uh, holding room, 268 00:15:52,159 --> 00:15:55,496 and as Ridgway came out, I looked at him and I said, 269 00:15:56,163 --> 00:15:57,164 "Gotcha." 270 00:15:58,082 --> 00:16:00,084 [♪ dramatic music playing] 271 00:16:00,376 --> 00:16:02,670 [Bob Keppel] Gary Ridgway was a Navy veteran 272 00:16:02,753 --> 00:16:05,422 who worked as a truck painter at Kenworth Trucking. 273 00:16:06,048 --> 00:16:10,094 The paint he used would tie him to the other victims. 274 00:16:10,678 --> 00:16:13,305 [Eakes] We managed to identify three additional victims 275 00:16:13,389 --> 00:16:15,516 from the paint spheres 276 00:16:15,599 --> 00:16:18,644 that we were able to locate on several items of evidence. 277 00:16:18,727 --> 00:16:20,062 [♪ dramatic music continues] 278 00:16:20,145 --> 00:16:21,355 We've got seven cases. 279 00:16:21,438 --> 00:16:23,941 We could clearly convict him of these seven charges, 280 00:16:24,024 --> 00:16:26,318 and we could seek the death penalty on him. 281 00:16:26,402 --> 00:16:29,196 If Gary Ridgway doesn't deserve death then who does? 282 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:31,907 [Bob Keppel] But that wasn't enough. 283 00:16:32,074 --> 00:16:36,078 What about the 41 other victims we didn't have evidence for 284 00:16:36,161 --> 00:16:38,580 and didn't know where their remains were? 285 00:16:39,081 --> 00:16:41,667 We would agree to trade the death penalty 286 00:16:41,750 --> 00:16:43,711 in return for getting information from him, 287 00:16:43,794 --> 00:16:48,132 and to try to find some of the women who were still missing. 288 00:16:48,632 --> 00:16:51,010 [Bob Keppel] After five years of interviews, 289 00:16:51,093 --> 00:16:54,346 Bundy finally confessed to the eight Washington State murders. 290 00:16:55,889 --> 00:17:00,894 Would the Green River Task Force be able to get confessions from Ridgway? 291 00:17:00,978 --> 00:17:03,480 [♪ sinister music plays] 292 00:17:04,565 --> 00:17:07,901 [♪ dark music playing] 293 00:17:07,985 --> 00:17:09,820 [indistinct chatter] 294 00:17:09,903 --> 00:17:11,530 [Norm Maleng] Today, I'm announcing the filing 295 00:17:11,613 --> 00:17:15,159 of four counts of aggravated first-degree murder charges 296 00:17:15,242 --> 00:17:16,702 against Gary Ridgway. 297 00:17:17,536 --> 00:17:20,122 [reporter] Ridgway, a 54-year-old truck painter 298 00:17:20,205 --> 00:17:22,416 and seemingly ordinary family man, 299 00:17:22,499 --> 00:17:24,918 is the notorious Green River Killer, 300 00:17:25,002 --> 00:17:29,715 responsible for a string of murders which terrorized Seattle in the 1980s. 301 00:17:30,549 --> 00:17:33,302 [neighbor 1] Well, a next-door neighbor. He lives right behind me. 302 00:17:33,385 --> 00:17:36,221 The whole thing is just a shock to me. I-- I never expected it. 303 00:17:36,305 --> 00:17:38,682 He don't deserve to live at all. 304 00:17:38,766 --> 00:17:40,184 [crying] 305 00:17:40,267 --> 00:17:41,602 Killing my niece! 306 00:17:41,685 --> 00:17:42,686 I'm pleased that they got him. 307 00:17:42,770 --> 00:17:45,230 It's a little spooky that he's living right here in my neighborhood, though. 308 00:17:45,314 --> 00:17:47,316 [♪ dark music playing] 309 00:17:50,736 --> 00:17:53,238 [reporter] Ridgway was arrested in 2001. 310 00:17:54,406 --> 00:17:55,407 Two years later, 311 00:17:55,491 --> 00:17:59,369 he is expected to avoid the death penalty as part of a plea agreement. 312 00:17:59,453 --> 00:18:01,371 Ridgway has been cooperating, 313 00:18:01,455 --> 00:18:05,000 but is he telling them everything or just enough to make a deal? 314 00:18:06,126 --> 00:18:08,670 [Bob Keppel] Now that Ridgway was behind bars, 315 00:18:08,754 --> 00:18:11,757 investigators could focus on his confessions. 316 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:13,717 [investigator] We're, uh, back on tape again, 317 00:18:13,801 --> 00:18:15,969 and the time now is 11:30 in the morning. 318 00:18:16,762 --> 00:18:20,474 [Bob Keppel] But as I learned from my year sitting across a table from Bundy, 319 00:18:20,557 --> 00:18:23,977 prying confessions out of a pathological liar and killer 320 00:18:24,061 --> 00:18:25,145 isn't easy. 321 00:18:52,631 --> 00:18:55,300 [Bob Keppel] Ridgway started confessing when he was caught 322 00:18:55,384 --> 00:18:57,094 not after a death sentence. 323 00:18:57,803 --> 00:19:01,473 He played the card that Bundy should've played from the beginning. 324 00:19:02,516 --> 00:19:07,729 It is only because of that death penalty 325 00:19:07,813 --> 00:19:09,523 being in place at the time 326 00:19:09,606 --> 00:19:14,862 that Ridgway had any incentive at all to cooperate with the police. 327 00:19:14,945 --> 00:19:17,072 We're gonna move on to number seven. 328 00:19:17,156 --> 00:19:19,658 We spent about six months interviewing him, 329 00:19:19,741 --> 00:19:21,493 essentially seven days a week, 330 00:19:21,577 --> 00:19:22,870 videotaping the interviews, 331 00:19:22,953 --> 00:19:24,997 and bringing in a number of different people 332 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,456 to try to solve those cases. 333 00:19:27,207 --> 00:19:28,917 -[Dr. O'Toole] Good morning. -Hi. 334 00:19:29,001 --> 00:19:32,087 I worked in the FBI's Behavioral Analysis Unit. 335 00:19:32,171 --> 00:19:35,632 I worked primarily serial sexual murder cases. 336 00:19:35,716 --> 00:19:37,134 How have you been? 337 00:19:37,217 --> 00:19:38,594 -Good. -Good. 338 00:19:38,677 --> 00:19:41,346 I got a call from the prosecutor. 339 00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:45,517 He felt I could be helpful if I would come in, 340 00:19:45,601 --> 00:19:49,438 and I would talk to Gary about his early developmental years. 341 00:19:50,063 --> 00:19:51,815 And I said, "Yes, of course, I will. 342 00:19:51,899 --> 00:19:55,360 The opportunity to talk to Gary Ridgway? Yes." 343 00:19:56,195 --> 00:19:57,988 Let me ask you this, um... 344 00:19:59,323 --> 00:20:03,952 [Birnes] After those reports of Bundy helping Keppel, 345 00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:08,123 those reports went to the FBI, of course, the Behavioral Science Unit. 346 00:20:08,624 --> 00:20:11,919 Bob Keppel began the process 347 00:20:12,002 --> 00:20:14,296 of teaching other police agencies 348 00:20:14,379 --> 00:20:16,882 and the FBI about serial killers. 349 00:20:18,425 --> 00:20:21,261 [Dr. O'Toole] In the '70s, people didn't share information. 350 00:20:21,803 --> 00:20:24,848 If the serial killer were to hit in one town, 351 00:20:24,932 --> 00:20:26,391 and then the adjacent town, 352 00:20:26,475 --> 00:20:30,479 there was no guarantee that those agencies would talk to one another. 353 00:20:31,563 --> 00:20:35,817 Keppel set us on the road to developing ViCAP, 354 00:20:35,901 --> 00:20:39,696 which is the Violent Crime Apprehension Program that the FBI runs 355 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:42,950 to share information about cases, both solved and unsolved, 356 00:20:43,617 --> 00:20:46,161 so that agencies will talk to one another. 357 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:48,247 [♪ dark, ominous music playing] 358 00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:53,752 We know that there are answers that you would have kept 359 00:20:53,835 --> 00:20:58,715 because of the secret side of you that you had to protect for many years. 360 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:02,177 It would be very difficult to be able to share what you did. 361 00:21:03,053 --> 00:21:05,681 As a profiler and as an investigator, 362 00:21:05,764 --> 00:21:09,810 I studied the interviews with Ted Bundy about the Green River Killer. 363 00:21:11,937 --> 00:21:14,982 There was some accuracy about Gary in those interviews. 364 00:21:28,537 --> 00:21:31,707 [Bob Keppel] Bundy believed the Riverman had a stable job 365 00:21:31,790 --> 00:21:34,084 with a regular, normal work schedule. 366 00:21:34,584 --> 00:21:36,169 And he was right. 367 00:21:38,839 --> 00:21:41,425 [Martha Sidock] I worked in the paint department along with him. 368 00:21:41,508 --> 00:21:43,635 He took his job very seriously. 369 00:21:43,719 --> 00:21:45,053 He was a good employee. 370 00:21:45,137 --> 00:21:46,138 [camera clicks] 371 00:21:47,264 --> 00:21:49,808 He's married. He's got kids. 372 00:21:51,226 --> 00:21:53,437 You know, on the outside, it looks normal. 373 00:21:54,896 --> 00:21:56,648 [Dr. O'Toole] If he walked in here right now, 374 00:21:56,732 --> 00:21:58,775 there's nothing about him that would make you think, 375 00:21:58,859 --> 00:22:01,361 "This is one scary, dangerous-looking guy 376 00:22:01,445 --> 00:22:03,655 that's capable of doing these kinds of things." 377 00:22:12,831 --> 00:22:14,833 [♪ ominous music playing] 378 00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:26,762 [Bob Keppel] Bundy was right about the Green River Killer's targets, too. 379 00:22:27,471 --> 00:22:29,097 [Ted Bundy speaking] 380 00:22:51,036 --> 00:22:55,749 Every day, his route to and from work was up and down Pacific Highway South. 381 00:22:55,832 --> 00:22:58,043 So, going to and from work, 382 00:22:58,126 --> 00:22:59,544 he's always looking for prey. 383 00:23:11,890 --> 00:23:15,227 The victims, according to him, were almost ubiquitous. 384 00:23:15,310 --> 00:23:17,813 He wasn't often able to say what race they were, 385 00:23:17,896 --> 00:23:20,148 how they were dressed, where he picked 'em up. 386 00:23:20,232 --> 00:23:22,609 But what he could remember were these areas. 387 00:23:22,692 --> 00:23:24,528 And they were like his special areas. 388 00:23:24,986 --> 00:23:27,781 It's almost as if Ridgway kept their bodies as trophies. 389 00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:37,666 [Bob Keppel] Bundy was right about the Riverman's dedication 390 00:23:37,749 --> 00:23:38,834 to his dump sites. 391 00:23:39,334 --> 00:23:44,714 And worse, he was right about why Ridgway returned to them again and again. 392 00:23:46,007 --> 00:23:48,301 They were my-- my possessions. 393 00:23:49,219 --> 00:23:50,679 [detective] And they're still your possessions 394 00:23:50,762 --> 00:23:51,763 -aren't they? -Yes. 395 00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:04,818 [♪ sinister music plays] 396 00:24:05,902 --> 00:24:08,905 [♪ dark music playing] 397 00:24:39,769 --> 00:24:42,230 [Bob Keppel] Bundy imagined the killer returning to his dump sites 398 00:24:42,314 --> 00:24:44,900 for private moments with his victims. 399 00:24:47,319 --> 00:24:48,778 And he was right. 400 00:24:49,529 --> 00:24:52,115 Ridgway admitted to his depravity. 401 00:24:54,451 --> 00:24:57,078 Walk me through the post-defense behavior with a victim 402 00:24:57,162 --> 00:25:03,376 that generates so much anger or strong feelings in you. 403 00:25:04,961 --> 00:25:06,713 Um... sure. 404 00:25:06,796 --> 00:25:09,090 This, uh-- One of the first ones... [sniffles] 405 00:25:09,174 --> 00:25:12,302 ...I had control over her, so I... 406 00:25:13,970 --> 00:25:17,390 had, uh, had sex with her afterwards. 407 00:25:17,474 --> 00:25:18,683 Okay. 408 00:25:18,767 --> 00:25:21,811 My style is to use the one trait 409 00:25:21,895 --> 00:25:26,650 that I think is probably the most important trait for a profiler, 410 00:25:26,733 --> 00:25:27,984 and that is to listen. 411 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:29,361 Okay. 412 00:25:29,444 --> 00:25:30,987 I sat very close to him. 413 00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:34,324 I wanted to make sure that he knew that I was there, 414 00:25:34,407 --> 00:25:35,951 and that I was watching him. 415 00:25:36,034 --> 00:25:39,704 So, you'd wanna continue to have sex with them after they were dead, 416 00:25:39,788 --> 00:25:41,998 because you worked so hard at getting them dead? 417 00:25:42,082 --> 00:25:43,416 -Mm-hmm. -Does that make sense to you? 418 00:25:43,500 --> 00:25:44,751 -This one, yeah. -Okay. 419 00:25:44,834 --> 00:25:46,836 [♪ sinister music playing] 420 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,965 [Eakes] His posing was about getting them into a position 421 00:25:50,048 --> 00:25:53,552 where he could more easily have sex with their dead bodies, 422 00:25:53,635 --> 00:25:57,347 'cause you can imagine the difficulty once somebody has died 423 00:25:57,430 --> 00:25:58,890 and rigor mortis sets in. 424 00:26:00,850 --> 00:26:02,561 [Dr. O'Toole] Do you remember ever coming back? 425 00:26:02,644 --> 00:26:07,023 Would you have uncovered her, you know, the brush and stuff off of her, 426 00:26:07,107 --> 00:26:09,442 and try to have sex with her again? 427 00:26:10,902 --> 00:26:12,153 [Ridgway] I might've come back. 428 00:26:13,405 --> 00:26:16,116 I might screw 'em for two, three days. 429 00:26:16,199 --> 00:26:18,201 [♪ sinister music continues] 430 00:26:19,494 --> 00:26:20,954 [Bob Keppel] For a serial killer, 431 00:26:21,037 --> 00:26:25,500 his dump sites are living places that occupy his memory. 432 00:26:26,084 --> 00:26:27,961 This is where his possessions are. 433 00:26:28,878 --> 00:26:30,255 He owns these locations 434 00:26:30,338 --> 00:26:33,508 just as he owns the victims. 435 00:26:34,092 --> 00:26:36,886 Ridgway made this very clear to his interviewers, 436 00:26:37,304 --> 00:26:39,681 just as Bundy made it very clear to me. 437 00:26:40,682 --> 00:26:44,728 He told us about one particular instance where he had killed one of his victims, 438 00:26:44,811 --> 00:26:46,646 but he didn't wanna be late to work, 439 00:26:46,730 --> 00:26:49,149 so he just had her in the back of the pickup truck 440 00:26:49,232 --> 00:26:50,483 and drove to work. 441 00:26:52,819 --> 00:26:55,822 [Sidock] Going to and from work, I walked by that truck, 442 00:26:55,905 --> 00:26:57,574 and to know that 443 00:26:57,657 --> 00:27:00,827 there, more than likely, was somebody's daughter or mother 444 00:27:00,910 --> 00:27:02,621 laying in the back... 445 00:27:03,121 --> 00:27:06,541 It's unimaginable to think of murdering somebody 446 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:10,879 let alone... repeatedly having sex with the dead bodies. 447 00:27:12,505 --> 00:27:17,636 Ted Bundy was more accurate in profiling the serial killer 448 00:27:17,719 --> 00:27:18,720 than the police were. 449 00:27:19,304 --> 00:27:21,389 He was right all along the line. 450 00:27:23,475 --> 00:27:27,604 [Bob Keppel] One thing Bundy didn't know was where Ridgway's bodies were buried. 451 00:27:28,188 --> 00:27:32,567 King County needed Ridgway to confess to 48 murders 452 00:27:32,651 --> 00:27:35,987 and to tell them where he'd buried his victims. 453 00:27:37,072 --> 00:27:39,032 As Bundy told me back in '88, 454 00:27:39,115 --> 00:27:42,243 to get a killer to talk, the investigator needs two things: 455 00:27:42,827 --> 00:27:44,496 time... [chuckles] 456 00:27:44,579 --> 00:27:46,164 ...and patience. 457 00:28:01,846 --> 00:28:05,725 [detective 1] Ted Bundy could recite for you everything that he did. 458 00:28:05,809 --> 00:28:08,061 -[detective 2] Down to the last detail. -Mm-hmm. That's-- 459 00:28:08,144 --> 00:28:10,313 [detective 1] And it bothers me that you can't. 460 00:28:10,939 --> 00:28:13,441 It's because I've been covering up 461 00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:15,777 and covering-- covering up for so-- so long and... 462 00:28:15,860 --> 00:28:19,030 [detective 1] You think Ted Bundy didn't cover things up for a long time? 463 00:28:19,823 --> 00:28:22,701 I don't even try to think about it. I just-- Mm-- just... 464 00:28:22,784 --> 00:28:25,578 [detective 2] You gotta think about it. You had 20 years to think about it. 465 00:28:25,662 --> 00:28:28,123 Mm-hmm. I had 20 years to forget about it, too. 466 00:28:29,374 --> 00:28:31,334 Every day was certainly not successful. 467 00:28:31,418 --> 00:28:35,839 It was very, very frustrating to have ongoing conversation. 468 00:28:35,922 --> 00:28:39,551 It wasn't like once you opened him up, floodgates. 469 00:28:39,634 --> 00:28:40,885 It wasn't that at all. 470 00:28:40,969 --> 00:28:43,763 Every day with Gary was a challenge. 471 00:28:44,347 --> 00:28:47,559 Mr. Ridgway, still trying to get a sense from you 472 00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:50,395 of just how effective 473 00:28:50,478 --> 00:28:52,731 -a serial killer that you were... -Mm-hmm. 474 00:28:52,814 --> 00:28:55,316 ...and how much insight that you have into your behavior. 475 00:28:56,651 --> 00:28:58,111 When you're talking to these people, 476 00:28:58,194 --> 00:29:00,196 you will never break down their psychopathy. 477 00:29:00,697 --> 00:29:01,990 That will never happen. 478 00:29:02,073 --> 00:29:05,201 You will never break it down. You will never make it go away. 479 00:29:05,285 --> 00:29:07,996 And some of them want to take this to their grave. 480 00:29:09,164 --> 00:29:10,582 [detective] We get paid to try to find out 481 00:29:10,665 --> 00:29:11,833 -what the truth is. -Mm-hmm. 482 00:29:11,916 --> 00:29:14,711 [detective] And it has been difficult here this week with you. 483 00:29:14,794 --> 00:29:17,297 There have been times when you have not been honest with us. 484 00:29:17,756 --> 00:29:20,300 The last couple of days, I've been trying to tell you everything I knew. 485 00:29:20,383 --> 00:29:24,596 And you get frustrated and I get frustrated fighting about what I did... 486 00:29:24,679 --> 00:29:27,766 The investigative team could not be satisfied 487 00:29:27,849 --> 00:29:33,313 with just having Gary relay to them about, "I killed this person and put her there. 488 00:29:33,396 --> 00:29:35,607 I killed this person and put her there." 489 00:29:35,690 --> 00:29:40,028 They had to verify that what he was saying to them was true. 490 00:29:40,111 --> 00:29:41,988 [Ridgway] I know where the women are. 491 00:29:42,739 --> 00:29:44,532 I can, you know, show you where they're at. 492 00:29:44,616 --> 00:29:46,618 [detective] Where's the first location? 493 00:29:46,701 --> 00:29:49,913 The first location is down that road down there to the left 494 00:29:49,996 --> 00:29:52,248 on the east side of those bushes. 495 00:29:52,332 --> 00:29:54,209 [♪ ominous music playing] 496 00:29:54,292 --> 00:29:58,797 [Bob Keppel] In Ridgway's twisted mind, the dump sites were his private territory. 497 00:30:00,465 --> 00:30:02,175 Would he spill his secrets 498 00:30:02,258 --> 00:30:05,720 and lead investigators to those long-buried bodies? 499 00:30:09,766 --> 00:30:13,102 [♪ dark music playing] 500 00:30:13,728 --> 00:30:16,064 [Bob Keppel] Gary Ridgway and the prosecutors agreed 501 00:30:16,147 --> 00:30:19,400 that in exchange for taking the death penalty off the table, 502 00:30:19,484 --> 00:30:22,487 Ridgway would tell the truth about his crimes 503 00:30:22,570 --> 00:30:25,448 and lead investigators to his victims' remains. 504 00:30:25,949 --> 00:30:30,703 He would also plead guilty to aggravated murder in the first degree 505 00:30:30,787 --> 00:30:32,872 for the 41 other murders. 506 00:30:33,832 --> 00:30:37,961 Him agreeing to a plea deal, personally, I don't agree with it. 507 00:30:38,044 --> 00:30:40,129 He still holds the cards. 508 00:30:40,213 --> 00:30:42,674 Because he could sit there and tell these guys, 509 00:30:42,757 --> 00:30:45,802 "Hey, I think I remember so and so now. Let me take you over here." 510 00:30:46,386 --> 00:30:49,222 [Eakes] We weren't gonna just take his word for what he said happened. 511 00:30:49,305 --> 00:30:52,225 We actually needed to find some corroborating evidence 512 00:30:52,308 --> 00:30:56,312 before we would charge him with a murder or allow him to plead guilty to it. 513 00:30:56,980 --> 00:30:58,982 [Larson] Show us where you killed her. 514 00:30:59,983 --> 00:31:01,943 Based upon information that he would give us, 515 00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:03,820 we would set up a field trip. 516 00:31:03,903 --> 00:31:06,030 We would leave in the hours of darkness, 517 00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:08,408 so that nobody would see us leaving the office, 518 00:31:08,491 --> 00:31:11,035 put a baseball cap on him and then go out. 519 00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:13,121 [♪ suspenseful music playing] 520 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:15,331 So, did you drive up here? 521 00:31:15,415 --> 00:31:17,041 I drove up here, yeah. 522 00:31:17,125 --> 00:31:18,626 You put her right next to the road? 523 00:31:18,710 --> 00:31:21,838 Right next-- on the road, right underneath the garbage as a marker. 524 00:31:21,921 --> 00:31:23,548 [Eakes] I don't think any of us appreciated 525 00:31:23,631 --> 00:31:27,635 just how difficult it would be to find remains after 20 years. 526 00:31:28,469 --> 00:31:31,264 And he was really difficult to talk to. 527 00:31:32,390 --> 00:31:33,516 It was very frustrating. 528 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,770 [Ridgway] I just put her right in here. There's something right there. 529 00:31:37,854 --> 00:31:40,607 What is it? There-- There it is. Isn't that a teeth? 530 00:31:40,690 --> 00:31:43,026 -[detective] Uh-uh. -Is that te-- Oh, I'm sorry. 531 00:31:43,943 --> 00:31:44,986 It looked like teeth. 532 00:31:46,779 --> 00:31:48,823 [Bob Keppel] The plea agreement was going nowhere. 533 00:31:48,907 --> 00:31:52,035 And it was frustrating to see Ridgway enjoy his field trips 534 00:31:52,118 --> 00:31:53,536 and relive his murders. 535 00:31:54,245 --> 00:31:56,289 After months of feeling jerked around, 536 00:31:56,372 --> 00:32:00,126 investigators reminded Ridgway what was at stake. 537 00:32:00,627 --> 00:32:04,547 If we discover evidence linking you to a homicide... 538 00:32:05,465 --> 00:32:07,759 that you've denied or haven't mentioned to us, 539 00:32:07,842 --> 00:32:10,553 there'll be big pressure on the prosecutor 540 00:32:10,637 --> 00:32:11,638 to seek the death penalty... 541 00:32:11,721 --> 00:32:12,847 -Yes. -...for aggravated murder. 542 00:32:12,931 --> 00:32:13,932 You understand that? 543 00:32:14,015 --> 00:32:15,058 -[Ridgway] I know that. -Okay. 544 00:32:16,267 --> 00:32:18,728 I'm gonna try and give you as much credibility as I can. 545 00:32:18,811 --> 00:32:23,149 When you go out to that site, you are gonna find a body. 546 00:32:23,232 --> 00:32:25,234 [♪ dark music playing] 547 00:32:26,444 --> 00:32:29,822 [reporter] Yesterday, detectives dug up at least a dozen human bones. 548 00:32:29,906 --> 00:32:32,992 First thing this morning, they found some more remains. 549 00:32:34,911 --> 00:32:36,913 [Larson] These bones are women. 550 00:32:37,664 --> 00:32:40,416 Somebody's daughter. They're somebody's sister. 551 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,544 And for us, our primary motivation 552 00:32:43,628 --> 00:32:46,130 was to return them to their families as we could. 553 00:32:46,214 --> 00:32:47,215 [camera clicks] 554 00:32:47,465 --> 00:32:50,343 [Velma Harris] I hope he continues to cooperate, 555 00:32:50,426 --> 00:32:53,846 and the other families can come to closure with theirs. 556 00:32:54,347 --> 00:32:55,556 I really do hope so. 557 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,308 [♪ dark music playing] 558 00:32:57,392 --> 00:32:59,435 [distant sirens wailing] 559 00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:03,147 [reporter] By the time Gary Ridgway leaves court later this morning, 560 00:33:03,231 --> 00:33:06,943 he's expected to plead guilty to the murders of nearly 50 women. 561 00:33:08,861 --> 00:33:10,863 [Eakes] He only pled to 48, 562 00:33:10,947 --> 00:33:13,324 because those were the 48 we could tie him to. 563 00:33:13,408 --> 00:33:16,035 [film strip whirring] 564 00:33:19,622 --> 00:33:21,666 [Bob Keppel] Ridgway was spared the death penalty, 565 00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:24,627 and the community was spared the anguish of a trial. 566 00:33:25,545 --> 00:33:26,963 On the day of sentencing, 567 00:33:27,046 --> 00:33:30,675 the victims' family members were finally able to speak their minds. 568 00:33:31,884 --> 00:33:36,514 We are here today for the sentencing of Gary Leon Ridgway. 569 00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:40,977 Representatives of the victim families will address the court. 570 00:33:42,478 --> 00:33:45,398 [Kathy Mills] Gary Leon Ridgway, I forgive you. 571 00:33:45,481 --> 00:33:46,983 You can't hold me anymore. 572 00:33:47,483 --> 00:33:51,154 My life now is lived to one day be with Little Opal, 573 00:33:51,654 --> 00:33:53,906 because I have that hope of seeing her again. 574 00:33:54,574 --> 00:33:56,617 The victim families that wanted to speak 575 00:33:56,701 --> 00:33:59,120 talked about their pain and their loss. 576 00:33:59,620 --> 00:34:01,456 Debra Estes was my daughter. 577 00:34:01,539 --> 00:34:06,711 She was just an immature teenager trying to find her way in life 578 00:34:06,794 --> 00:34:10,339 before it was snuffed out by Gary Ridgway. 579 00:34:10,423 --> 00:34:12,258 I won't ever forgive him for that. 580 00:34:12,341 --> 00:34:13,926 He's gonna go to Hell, 581 00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:15,470 and that's where he belongs. 582 00:34:16,387 --> 00:34:18,389 May God have mercy on your pathetic soul 583 00:34:18,473 --> 00:34:21,142 because the rest of us who know the truth about you won't. 584 00:34:23,478 --> 00:34:28,691 I was only five when my mother died. I found out on Mother's Day. 585 00:34:28,775 --> 00:34:29,776 [sniffling] 586 00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:32,570 [breathing shakily] 587 00:34:33,821 --> 00:34:38,242 There's nothing that anybody can say or ever do for me 588 00:34:38,326 --> 00:34:39,952 that will bring my mother back. 589 00:34:40,036 --> 00:34:42,663 The one thing that I want you, Gary Ridgway, to know, 590 00:34:43,539 --> 00:34:48,127 I was that daughter at home... [crying] waiting for my mom to come home. 591 00:34:49,462 --> 00:34:51,422 I still get emotional when I think about it. 592 00:34:51,506 --> 00:34:52,507 [sniffles] 593 00:34:54,008 --> 00:34:57,178 Hearing these people who felt like 594 00:34:57,261 --> 00:35:02,183 their daughters had not been acknowledged as people. 595 00:35:03,434 --> 00:35:07,146 After today, I will not give this parasite a thought. 596 00:35:08,147 --> 00:35:12,443 To my fellow families, from here on, we will embrace our daughters, 597 00:35:12,527 --> 00:35:16,155 our sisters, our mothers, our wives in our hearts, 598 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,074 where we will honor them by living. 599 00:35:19,158 --> 00:35:23,871 [sighs] Well, I've been waiting for this day to come, Gary Loser Ridgway. 600 00:35:23,955 --> 00:35:25,414 You are a loser. You're a coward. 601 00:35:26,624 --> 00:35:28,626 You are nobody. You're an animal! 602 00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:32,421 If I have a chance right now to do what I wanna do to you, 603 00:35:32,505 --> 00:35:34,799 I want you to feel what you did to these victims, 604 00:35:35,591 --> 00:35:36,592 but I can't. 605 00:35:38,010 --> 00:35:41,013 I hope you rot in Hell! Son of a [bleep]. 606 00:35:41,097 --> 00:35:43,182 -[people applauding] -[Judge Richard A. Jones] Please-- 607 00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:44,517 Please refrain from applauding. 608 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,310 -It's inappropriate in a court proceeding. -I'm sorry. 609 00:35:46,394 --> 00:35:48,146 [Judge Jones] There's no reason to apologize, sir. 610 00:35:49,105 --> 00:35:51,107 [♪ solemn music playing] 611 00:36:00,741 --> 00:36:05,079 [voice breaking] My sister Tammie has been missed for 41 years, 612 00:36:06,247 --> 00:36:08,166 and we've had to live with her loss. 613 00:36:08,791 --> 00:36:11,210 I've had plenty of time to reflect 614 00:36:11,294 --> 00:36:14,839 on my feelings towards Gary Ridgway and what he did. 615 00:36:16,048 --> 00:36:20,178 I have had to learn to forgive him, but I will never forget. 616 00:36:20,261 --> 00:36:23,097 Forgiveness doesn't set Gary free of his wrongs, 617 00:36:23,181 --> 00:36:27,351 but it sets me free from an internal prison of hatred in my heart. 618 00:36:27,852 --> 00:36:31,981 [voice breaking] I will always be grateful to the King County Sheriff's Office 619 00:36:33,232 --> 00:36:35,735 and, of course, of other law enforcement agencies 620 00:36:35,818 --> 00:36:37,987 who, over the years, helped to bring... 621 00:36:38,946 --> 00:36:40,656 closure to so many families. 622 00:36:42,533 --> 00:36:46,495 I ask you to remember those 48 young women 623 00:36:46,579 --> 00:36:52,126 as people who had unexplored dreams, hopes, aspirations, 624 00:36:52,210 --> 00:36:54,462 and families that loved them deeply. 625 00:36:55,630 --> 00:36:59,133 Please know the women you killed were not throwaways 626 00:36:59,217 --> 00:37:02,720 or pieces of candy in a dish placed upon this planet 627 00:37:02,803 --> 00:37:06,140 for the sole purpose of satisfying your murderous desires. 628 00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:16,317 [Bob Keppel] The women Ridgway and Bundy murdered are not forgotten, 629 00:37:18,361 --> 00:37:20,404 but they are gone now from this Earth. 630 00:37:21,572 --> 00:37:23,032 Their families, friends, 631 00:37:23,115 --> 00:37:26,661 and the investigators who tracked them down are forever damaged 632 00:37:26,744 --> 00:37:29,705 by these two unspeakable monsters. 633 00:37:30,456 --> 00:37:32,375 People always tell me, "Oh, he was so smart. 634 00:37:32,458 --> 00:37:33,876 Ted was so smart and good looking." 635 00:37:34,585 --> 00:37:36,462 No, he was stupid and ugly. 636 00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:39,090 Because if you do stuff like that, 637 00:37:39,173 --> 00:37:42,885 you are the ugliest piece of [bleep] that anyone could ever have to look at. 638 00:37:46,681 --> 00:37:49,141 [♪ dramatic music playing] 639 00:37:49,225 --> 00:37:52,186 [Bob Keppel] Only an investigator who has hunted for a serial killer 640 00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:54,814 like Ted Bundy or Gary Ridgway knows 641 00:37:54,897 --> 00:37:57,942 how a case consumes their every waking moment 642 00:37:58,025 --> 00:38:00,528 at the expense of their personal lives. 643 00:38:03,614 --> 00:38:05,825 After I left the Attorney General's Office, 644 00:38:05,908 --> 00:38:08,536 I devoted my career to helping investigators 645 00:38:08,619 --> 00:38:10,621 keep these killers off the streets. 646 00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:15,459 Ted Bundy helped me write the book on interviewing serial killers. 647 00:38:16,252 --> 00:38:19,005 He gave me a look inside the mind of one. 648 00:38:43,195 --> 00:38:45,906 [Bob Keppel] The world made so much of Bundy, 649 00:38:45,990 --> 00:38:48,451 but in the end, he was nothing. 650 00:38:50,745 --> 00:38:53,998 There's really much less to him than meets the eye, 651 00:38:54,081 --> 00:38:58,586 but he's been elevated to this genius status in the media. 652 00:38:59,420 --> 00:39:01,630 He's been given too much credit for too long. 653 00:39:01,714 --> 00:39:07,178 And I think it would honor the victims if he received a demotion in that regard. 654 00:39:09,263 --> 00:39:13,017 [Dunn] What's gotten lost is the side of the victims, 655 00:39:13,517 --> 00:39:14,852 and the victims' families 656 00:39:14,935 --> 00:39:16,812 'cause they're the ones that suffer. 657 00:39:16,896 --> 00:39:17,897 [camera clicks] 658 00:39:18,689 --> 00:39:20,816 [Winters] We talk about her all the time. 659 00:39:21,609 --> 00:39:25,529 Granddaughters and great-granddaughters carry her name. 660 00:39:26,030 --> 00:39:29,200 She'll always be a member of our family. 661 00:39:30,326 --> 00:39:34,538 It's a part of our history that we can't deny, 662 00:39:35,122 --> 00:39:36,832 and we don't want to. 663 00:39:40,503 --> 00:39:43,589 [Jenny Graham] This is something that is a life sentence. 664 00:39:43,672 --> 00:39:45,883 It lives with you forever. 665 00:39:46,801 --> 00:39:50,096 I hate, with a passion, the word "closure." 666 00:39:51,263 --> 00:39:56,352 Closure is for everybody else that doesn't have nightmares, 667 00:39:56,435 --> 00:39:58,479 depression, or anxiety, 668 00:39:58,562 --> 00:40:03,818 or, you know, just the things that crime victims often go through. 669 00:40:03,901 --> 00:40:04,902 [camera clicks] 670 00:40:05,152 --> 00:40:10,241 In the end, I am now forever with PTSD. 671 00:40:10,908 --> 00:40:13,869 I have anxiety, panic attacks, 672 00:40:14,537 --> 00:40:18,541 and I'm extremely afraid of the woods. 673 00:40:19,291 --> 00:40:22,837 Things that were fun before are not fun anymore. 674 00:40:25,673 --> 00:40:30,469 [Bob Keppel] Even now, after all the time that has passed since Bundy's execution, 675 00:40:31,220 --> 00:40:34,640 I find myself struggling as I think of the Bundy case, 676 00:40:35,558 --> 00:40:39,186 and I feel, once more, that grief and stress 677 00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:42,273 that overwhelmed me during this investigation. 678 00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:45,901 [Dave Keppel] It did take a little toll on him, 679 00:40:45,985 --> 00:40:48,529 on his health, stress-wise. 680 00:40:48,612 --> 00:40:53,033 He had a heart attack pretty young and, uh, heart problems. 681 00:40:53,617 --> 00:40:55,327 He eventually had a stroke. 682 00:40:55,411 --> 00:40:56,412 [camera clicks] 683 00:41:00,291 --> 00:41:03,294 [♪ solemn music playing] 684 00:41:05,296 --> 00:41:07,298 [water lapping] 685 00:41:10,468 --> 00:41:11,469 [camera clicks] 686 00:41:11,552 --> 00:41:13,053 [Kathleen McChesney] Bob was the kind of person 687 00:41:13,137 --> 00:41:14,513 that if he was going to do something, 688 00:41:14,597 --> 00:41:17,475 he was gonna do it to the best of his ability. 689 00:41:17,558 --> 00:41:19,810 And that's what he did for his whole life. 690 00:41:21,395 --> 00:41:25,274 [Katherine Ramsland] I've often thought Keppel has not gotten his due 691 00:41:26,025 --> 00:41:29,445 in terms of the kind of work he put into this case 692 00:41:29,528 --> 00:41:32,281 and what he drew out of the Bundy case 693 00:41:32,364 --> 00:41:37,828 to improve investigations for future investigators. 694 00:41:38,871 --> 00:41:42,833 "How can I help law enforcement do better?" 695 00:41:43,584 --> 00:41:45,544 That was his driving force. 696 00:41:46,545 --> 00:41:49,798 [Dave Keppel] Dad's legacy is that he really changed the way 697 00:41:49,882 --> 00:41:53,302 that serial murderers are investigated. 698 00:41:55,971 --> 00:41:56,972 [camera clicks] 699 00:41:57,056 --> 00:41:59,475 I think he's definitely seen as a hero in the field. 700 00:42:00,976 --> 00:42:02,686 I've had a lot of people tell me that. 701 00:42:02,770 --> 00:42:03,771 [camera clicks] 702 00:42:05,564 --> 00:42:07,566 [♪ dramatic music playing] 703 00:42:08,275 --> 00:42:11,862 [Birnes] The Keppel-Bundy conversations were kind of like a chess match. 704 00:42:12,446 --> 00:42:14,031 They both had their agendas. 705 00:42:14,114 --> 00:42:17,284 And since Bundy was ultimately executed, he lost. 706 00:42:18,118 --> 00:42:22,331 But Keppel, because he solved all these cases, won. 707 00:42:26,126 --> 00:42:28,128 In the world of criminology, 708 00:42:28,629 --> 00:42:34,218 the Ted Bundy case was the first, most complete explanation 709 00:42:35,094 --> 00:42:37,471 of how a serial killer evolves. 710 00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:39,473 But not just that, 711 00:42:39,557 --> 00:42:45,771 how to use police forces, local, state, federal 712 00:42:46,313 --> 00:42:49,024 to track down and catch a serial killer. 713 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,154 Bob Keppel invented the process, 714 00:42:55,072 --> 00:42:59,827 and that is why the FBI now knows how to catch a serial killer. 715 00:42:59,910 --> 00:43:02,913 ♪♪ 715 00:43:03,305 --> 00:44:03,886