Ted Bundy: Dialogue with the Devil

1 00:00:01,209 --> 00:00:04,212 [♪ eerie music playing] 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 3 00:00:13,138 --> 00:00:15,056 [Rich Bundy] The last time I visited Ted, 4 00:00:16,015 --> 00:00:18,601 I took a bus from here in Tacoma, Washington, 5 00:00:18,685 --> 00:00:21,688 clear across the country to Florida to go see him by myself. 6 00:00:23,815 --> 00:00:25,984 The visiting room was all black and dark, 7 00:00:26,067 --> 00:00:27,527 and he wasn't showing his face. 8 00:00:29,529 --> 00:00:30,613 It felt weird. 9 00:00:32,031 --> 00:00:34,826 I never asked Ted if he killed those women. 10 00:00:35,410 --> 00:00:39,080 I was just so confused, still believing that he was innocent. 11 00:00:40,790 --> 00:00:42,625 [♪ eerie music continues] 12 00:00:42,709 --> 00:00:44,627 You know, what can you do when you're 17? 13 00:00:46,629 --> 00:00:49,716 You know, I can't wave a magic wand and make all this go away. 14 00:00:54,971 --> 00:00:56,014 [clicking] 15 00:01:02,937 --> 00:01:04,939 [♪ intense music playing] 16 00:01:09,194 --> 00:01:13,448 We have almost two dozen young women dead, the victims of the Green River Killer. 17 00:01:15,116 --> 00:01:18,203 [William Birnes] The whole premise was using one killer 18 00:01:18,286 --> 00:01:19,454 to catch another killer. 19 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,123 It had never been done before. 20 00:01:22,957 --> 00:01:25,877 And that became The Silence of the Lambs. 21 00:01:35,220 --> 00:01:38,223 [♪ intense music continues] 22 00:02:03,456 --> 00:02:05,041 Less than six hours from now, 23 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:08,461 accused mass murderer Ted Bundy is scheduled to be executed 24 00:02:08,545 --> 00:02:09,546 in a Florida prison. 25 00:02:16,636 --> 00:02:19,639 [♪ intense music playing] 26 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,522 [♪ dark music playing] 27 00:02:42,537 --> 00:02:44,539 [distant sirens wailing] 28 00:02:47,375 --> 00:02:48,877 [reporter] The latest attempts to spare Bundy 29 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,212 from Florida's electric chair ran their legal course 30 00:02:51,296 --> 00:02:54,048 when the US Supreme Court refused to hear his case. 31 00:02:55,675 --> 00:02:58,553 [James York] Mr. Bundy has had his days in court. 32 00:02:59,387 --> 00:03:01,431 I think it's time that the legitimate verdict 33 00:03:01,514 --> 00:03:03,516 of the state trial court is carried out. 34 00:03:03,850 --> 00:03:05,101 [♪ dramatic music playing] 35 00:03:05,185 --> 00:03:09,105 [reporter] Serial killer Ted Bundy is set to die in Florida's electric chair 36 00:03:09,189 --> 00:03:10,607 on Tuesday morning. 37 00:03:11,608 --> 00:03:14,652 [Bob Keppel] The clock on Bundy's life ticked down. 38 00:03:15,153 --> 00:03:18,072 He and his lawyers launched last-ditch appeals 39 00:03:18,156 --> 00:03:22,035 to the governor of Florida and the US Supreme Court 40 00:03:22,118 --> 00:03:24,662 asking for a stay of execution. 41 00:03:25,705 --> 00:03:27,999 [Birnes] He says, "If I confess to a case 42 00:03:28,082 --> 00:03:31,085 "and you take me back into court and find me guilty, 43 00:03:31,169 --> 00:03:33,338 "look at the closure you give to the families, 44 00:03:33,421 --> 00:03:34,589 and I get to stay alive." 45 00:03:35,590 --> 00:03:38,218 [Bob Keppel] That's when Ted called me back, 46 00:03:38,301 --> 00:03:41,221 just two months after our last meeting. 47 00:03:43,556 --> 00:03:46,309 [Bill Hagmaier] There were four states invited to come down. 48 00:03:48,561 --> 00:03:52,815 Investigators from Colorado, Utah, Idaho, 49 00:03:52,899 --> 00:03:54,067 and Washington. 50 00:03:55,401 --> 00:03:59,072 They thought that he killed between 20 to 100 women. 51 00:04:00,406 --> 00:04:03,576 And so, Ted's trying to extend his life. 52 00:04:04,369 --> 00:04:08,248 And he's going to say enough that they're going to go back and say, 53 00:04:08,331 --> 00:04:10,458 "Hey, give him another 90 days." 54 00:04:10,541 --> 00:04:11,542 [camera clicks] 55 00:04:12,794 --> 00:04:15,004 I had to interview Ted several times, 56 00:04:15,588 --> 00:04:17,465 so Ted wanted me to be there. 57 00:04:19,175 --> 00:04:21,511 And Bob was the first one that interviewed him. 58 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:24,764 Keppel was a-- a key person in his case. 59 00:04:25,682 --> 00:04:28,685 [♪ dark dramatic music playing] 60 00:04:33,773 --> 00:04:36,234 [Bob Keppel] Bundy had groomed me to be his confessor 61 00:04:36,317 --> 00:04:39,195 under the cover of solving the Green River murders... 62 00:04:39,529 --> 00:04:40,530 [clicking] 63 00:04:40,613 --> 00:04:43,741 ...but the Green River case was now ice cold. 64 00:04:43,825 --> 00:04:48,037 Dave Reichert was the only investigator who believed it would be solved. 65 00:04:48,121 --> 00:04:49,747 [Dave Reichert] You know, the years go on. 66 00:04:49,831 --> 00:04:53,918 We started hearing rumblings, uh, of cutbacks, 67 00:04:54,002 --> 00:04:56,337 uh, as early as 1986. 68 00:04:58,172 --> 00:04:59,757 After all that hard work, 69 00:04:59,841 --> 00:05:03,511 I never had a thought that we weren't gonna catch him. 70 00:05:03,594 --> 00:05:06,389 I just wondered how, when, and where. 71 00:05:08,516 --> 00:05:10,727 [Bob Keppel] But the Riverman would have to wait. 72 00:05:10,810 --> 00:05:11,936 [chains rattling] 73 00:05:12,020 --> 00:05:15,023 I was face-to-face with Bundy again, 74 00:05:15,106 --> 00:05:18,484 and only had a single two-hour meeting to get him to confess 75 00:05:18,568 --> 00:05:20,820 to the eight murders in Washington State. 76 00:05:23,448 --> 00:05:28,161 In my first 20 minutes with Ted, his lawyer, and Bill Hagmaier, 77 00:05:28,244 --> 00:05:29,245 he was stalling. 78 00:05:29,996 --> 00:05:32,790 I ignored it and pressed him for details. 79 00:06:12,538 --> 00:06:13,539 [camera clicking] 80 00:06:28,304 --> 00:06:30,306 [♪ dark, eerie music playing] 81 00:06:43,027 --> 00:06:44,028 [camera clicks] 82 00:07:11,139 --> 00:07:12,515 [Bob Keppel] I was breathless. 83 00:07:13,099 --> 00:07:15,017 After years of dodging questions, 84 00:07:15,101 --> 00:07:18,146 Ted was finally describing his killing grounds 85 00:07:18,229 --> 00:07:20,022 as only the murderer could. 86 00:07:21,482 --> 00:07:23,359 [♪ dark, eerie music continues] 87 00:07:23,443 --> 00:07:26,654 But just as soon as he opened up, he shut down again. 88 00:07:26,737 --> 00:07:30,074 He was nervous about the corrections officers in the room. 89 00:07:30,158 --> 00:07:33,536 Ted wanted control over who heard his confession. 90 00:07:50,470 --> 00:07:53,264 [♪ dark, eerie music continues] 91 00:08:06,819 --> 00:08:08,821 [♪ unsettling music plays] 92 00:08:12,074 --> 00:08:13,993 [Bob Keppel] I was stunned. 93 00:08:14,076 --> 00:08:17,747 The infamous Ted Bundy was confessing to murder 94 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:19,790 in the first person 95 00:08:19,874 --> 00:08:21,417 for the first time! 96 00:08:23,336 --> 00:08:24,337 [camera clicks] 97 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:28,716 Georgann Hawkins was an undergraduate at University of Washington... 98 00:08:28,799 --> 00:08:29,842 [camera clicks] 99 00:08:29,926 --> 00:08:34,180 ...one of the sweetest, young college students you would ever see. 100 00:08:34,680 --> 00:08:35,681 [camera clicks] 101 00:08:36,015 --> 00:08:40,019 Georgann Hawkins was last seen Monday evening shortly after midnight. 102 00:08:40,102 --> 00:08:41,854 She had been visiting at the Beta House 103 00:08:41,938 --> 00:08:46,609 and was returning to her house just a half block away down this alley. 104 00:08:46,692 --> 00:08:48,694 [♪ ominous tones playing] 105 00:08:49,695 --> 00:08:51,614 Being conscientious, she left early 106 00:08:51,697 --> 00:08:53,824 because she wanted to study for her Spanish test. 107 00:08:55,201 --> 00:08:57,787 Several students remember seeing her. 108 00:08:59,163 --> 00:09:03,668 One of them watched her to within 40 feet of the door 109 00:09:03,751 --> 00:09:07,255 of her sorority house, Kappa Alpha Theta. 110 00:09:07,838 --> 00:09:10,591 And... that was the last she was seen. 111 00:09:24,814 --> 00:09:27,817 [Bob Keppel] Ted showed us where he had taken Georgann Hawkins. 112 00:09:27,900 --> 00:09:31,988 But then, he started looking over his shoulder again. 113 00:09:47,461 --> 00:09:49,046 [Ted whispering] 114 00:10:09,942 --> 00:10:11,235 [Bob Keppel] How could I not? 115 00:10:11,319 --> 00:10:15,114 [♪ intense music playing] 116 00:10:15,781 --> 00:10:16,782 I was shocked. 117 00:10:18,451 --> 00:10:22,705 It was confirmation that Ted had decapitated his victims. 118 00:10:29,337 --> 00:10:33,549 What Bundy said next was even more disturbing. 119 00:10:33,633 --> 00:10:35,468 [♪ tense music playing] 120 00:10:37,511 --> 00:10:39,347 [♪ tense music playing] 121 00:10:47,021 --> 00:10:48,522 [Bob Keppel] A hacksaw. 122 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,400 It turned my stomach. 123 00:10:51,734 --> 00:10:53,361 [♪ unsettling music playing] 124 00:10:54,612 --> 00:10:56,030 But I pressed on, 125 00:10:56,113 --> 00:10:59,825 encouraging Ted to take me through the Georgann Hawkins' murder 126 00:10:59,909 --> 00:11:01,035 step by step. 127 00:11:03,913 --> 00:11:05,915 [♪ unsettling music continues] 128 00:11:09,752 --> 00:11:11,879 [distant traffic noise, car horns honking] 129 00:11:55,464 --> 00:11:57,383 [♪ ominous music playing] 130 00:12:02,722 --> 00:12:03,848 [metallic thud] 131 00:12:16,068 --> 00:12:18,821 [Bob Keppel] His words were a revelation to me. 132 00:12:19,488 --> 00:12:22,324 I could hardly believe what I was hearing. 133 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:54,523 [♪ tense, ominous music playing] 134 00:13:32,019 --> 00:13:33,354 [Hagmaier] He was a strangler. 135 00:13:34,605 --> 00:13:36,065 He enjoyed killing people. 136 00:13:36,148 --> 00:13:38,150 [♪ tense, ominous music continues] 137 00:13:39,819 --> 00:13:42,863 He said, "I didn't go after old ladies. 138 00:13:42,947 --> 00:13:47,243 "I don't go after prostitutes like the Green River guy did. 139 00:13:49,870 --> 00:13:51,664 "I found my prey. 140 00:13:52,289 --> 00:13:54,291 "I wanted them to be educated. 141 00:13:54,792 --> 00:13:56,293 I wanted them to be worthy." 142 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:40,296 [Bob Keppel] In our 1984 interview, 143 00:14:40,379 --> 00:14:43,215 I suspected Bundy was talking about himself 144 00:14:43,299 --> 00:14:46,886 when he suggested this was how the Riverman disposed of evidence. 145 00:14:48,721 --> 00:14:50,723 And now, Ted confirmed it. 146 00:14:51,390 --> 00:14:52,808 Bundy doesn't wanna be caught, 147 00:14:54,351 --> 00:14:56,645 but the possibility of it 148 00:14:56,729 --> 00:14:59,440 is part of the heightened sense of it, 149 00:15:01,358 --> 00:15:03,360 that's highly titillating. 150 00:15:17,875 --> 00:15:21,253 [Bob Keppel] Bundy was obviously withholding the goriest details 151 00:15:21,337 --> 00:15:25,341 until he and his lawyers were able to delay his execution. 152 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:42,566 [Bob Keppel] Bingo. 153 00:15:42,650 --> 00:15:46,111 Ted had just confirmed his story by describing her clothing. 154 00:15:47,655 --> 00:15:49,365 Still, I needed more. 155 00:16:08,592 --> 00:16:09,593 [Ted chuckles] 156 00:16:19,144 --> 00:16:20,771 [Dr. Peter Salerno] He chuckles with Keppel 157 00:16:20,854 --> 00:16:23,065 and actually says, "I find it kinda funny." 158 00:16:24,316 --> 00:16:27,027 I mean... it's inhuman. 159 00:16:27,111 --> 00:16:29,113 [♪ unsettling music playing] 160 00:16:29,571 --> 00:16:33,909 He had a complete lack of conscience. 161 00:16:47,631 --> 00:16:49,591 [Bob Keppel] Georgann's friends had told police 162 00:16:49,675 --> 00:16:52,761 she'd left the party to study for a Spanish test. 163 00:16:54,179 --> 00:16:56,598 It was the last piece I needed. 164 00:17:11,947 --> 00:17:12,948 [hacking] 165 00:17:35,304 --> 00:17:38,640 [Bob Keppel] I didn't believe that Ted was returning to the scene 166 00:17:38,724 --> 00:17:40,851 just to bury Georgann's skull. 167 00:17:57,826 --> 00:18:00,662 [Louis Schlesinger] Bundy refused to discuss necrophilia. 168 00:18:01,705 --> 00:18:02,706 Why? 169 00:18:03,207 --> 00:18:05,542 Bundy was trying to humanize himself. 170 00:18:07,044 --> 00:18:09,588 He wanted others to postpone his execution, 171 00:18:09,671 --> 00:18:13,425 and if he described what he did post-mortem to the victims, 172 00:18:13,509 --> 00:18:16,386 it would make him seem extremely deviant 173 00:18:16,470 --> 00:18:19,264 and certainly not somebody they'd wanna keep around 174 00:18:19,348 --> 00:18:21,058 for an extended period of time. 175 00:18:22,518 --> 00:18:23,811 [Birnes] He's ashamed. 176 00:18:23,894 --> 00:18:29,024 I mean, ashamed of the fact that the real center of yourself 177 00:18:29,108 --> 00:18:33,445 is this desperate need to have sex with the dead, 178 00:18:33,529 --> 00:18:36,073 because that's how you exercise your power. 179 00:18:36,824 --> 00:18:38,450 It's the one thing he can't control. 180 00:18:38,826 --> 00:18:40,828 [♪ dark music playing] 181 00:18:47,084 --> 00:18:49,336 [Bob Keppel] Ted had said enough to confirm 182 00:18:49,419 --> 00:18:53,340 that not only was he a chicken- [bleep] who cold-cocked his victims 183 00:18:53,423 --> 00:18:55,509 before strangling them, 184 00:18:56,844 --> 00:18:59,471 he was also a necrophiliac. 185 00:19:01,598 --> 00:19:05,894 I only had 45 minutes left to get the other seven confessions. 186 00:19:05,978 --> 00:19:08,105 I had to be quick and thorough. 187 00:19:08,605 --> 00:19:13,110 I asked him where we could find the rest of Georgann Hawkins' remains. 188 00:19:18,824 --> 00:19:21,201 [Bob Keppel] " Down, where the others were." 189 00:19:21,285 --> 00:19:23,537 Those words changed everything. 190 00:19:24,246 --> 00:19:26,248 [♪ dramatic music playing] 191 00:19:29,501 --> 00:19:32,504 [♪ dark music playing] 192 00:19:34,173 --> 00:19:35,174 [birds chirping] 193 00:19:35,257 --> 00:19:36,383 [people chattering] 194 00:19:36,466 --> 00:19:38,093 [Bob Keppel] Bundy didn't realize it, 195 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:40,554 but he had just admitted to two more murders. 196 00:19:41,972 --> 00:19:44,683 Janice Ott and Denise Naslund, 197 00:19:44,766 --> 00:19:48,395 who disappeared from Lake Sammamish in 1974. 198 00:19:49,146 --> 00:19:51,565 It was brazen to take two women off the beach. 199 00:19:53,317 --> 00:19:54,651 Bundy got one of 'em. 200 00:19:54,735 --> 00:19:56,653 And then he came back and got the other one. 201 00:20:00,908 --> 00:20:03,702 And then, at Issaquah, 202 00:20:03,785 --> 00:20:07,915 we recovered the skeletal remains of Janice Ott 203 00:20:08,832 --> 00:20:13,045 and the skulls of Denise Naslund and the other one, 204 00:20:13,128 --> 00:20:16,131 who we now knew, through Bundy's confession, 205 00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:18,300 was Georgann Hawkins. 206 00:20:18,383 --> 00:20:19,384 [camera clicks] 207 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:24,056 [Bob Keppel] When Ted told me Georgann's body was 208 00:20:24,139 --> 00:20:26,600 -down, where the others were... -[Ted Bundy] Down, where the others were. 209 00:20:28,101 --> 00:20:29,895 [Bob Keppel] ...he had tied Hawkins' remains 210 00:20:29,978 --> 00:20:31,480 to Ott and Naslund's, 211 00:20:31,563 --> 00:20:33,482 also found in Issaquah. 212 00:20:35,192 --> 00:20:38,445 [film strip whirring] 213 00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:43,992 [clock ticking] 214 00:20:55,337 --> 00:20:58,257 [Bob Keppel] Ted had just admitted he murdered Ott and Naslund. 215 00:20:58,340 --> 00:20:59,758 But I needed more. 216 00:20:59,841 --> 00:21:01,551 I needed facts. 217 00:21:37,087 --> 00:21:40,882 [Bob Keppel] Ted indicated on the map where he hid Janice's bike and knapsack. 218 00:21:42,384 --> 00:21:45,429 This, and his admission he killed both girls 219 00:21:45,512 --> 00:21:47,764 would be enough to close their cases. 220 00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:55,063 After years of hunting Ted Bundy, 221 00:21:55,147 --> 00:21:57,816 I finally got three confessions from him. 222 00:21:57,899 --> 00:22:02,279 But with only 20 minutes left and five confessions remaining, 223 00:22:02,362 --> 00:22:04,656 Bundy stalled again. 224 00:22:26,470 --> 00:22:27,637 [Schlesinger] He's working him. 225 00:22:27,721 --> 00:22:29,389 "You meet with the governor, meet with this person, 226 00:22:29,473 --> 00:22:30,640 "meet with that person. 227 00:22:31,141 --> 00:22:34,978 I need time to help the families and to help science." 228 00:22:35,062 --> 00:22:38,648 And he was just trying to help himself, to postpone his execution. 229 00:22:50,744 --> 00:22:54,081 [reporter] Officials say that Bundy spent the day confessing 230 00:22:54,164 --> 00:22:57,084 to unsolved murders in the state of Washington. 231 00:22:57,834 --> 00:22:59,836 [♪ dark music playing] 232 00:23:01,213 --> 00:23:03,423 [Bob Keppel] By Saturday, the news had broken 233 00:23:03,507 --> 00:23:05,759 that Bundy was confessing to me. 234 00:23:05,842 --> 00:23:06,843 [camera clicks] 235 00:23:06,927 --> 00:23:09,805 I was infuriated when his lawyers told the media 236 00:23:09,888 --> 00:23:12,557 that he was totally honest and cooperative. 237 00:23:14,059 --> 00:23:16,019 [Rich Bundy] When Ted started confessing, 238 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,607 I realized that he really... had done all those murders. 239 00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:22,692 [♪ dark, somber music playing] 240 00:23:23,902 --> 00:23:28,156 The only thing I kept obsessing about was the mothers of all those children... 241 00:23:30,075 --> 00:23:31,576 [breathing shakily] 242 00:23:31,660 --> 00:23:33,203 [voice breaking] ...who lost their daughters, 243 00:23:33,286 --> 00:23:35,956 you know, who could've had really fulfilling lives, you know? 244 00:23:37,833 --> 00:23:39,000 That is eternal. 245 00:23:39,501 --> 00:23:41,586 She was everything to me. 246 00:23:43,338 --> 00:23:46,758 And as far as I'm concerned, Ted Bundy took it all. 247 00:23:47,801 --> 00:23:51,263 You left behind people that have to live with that, 248 00:23:51,346 --> 00:23:52,764 and that killed them inside. 249 00:23:54,349 --> 00:23:56,393 He was a scumbag piece of [bleep]. 250 00:23:58,728 --> 00:23:59,729 [camera clicks] 251 00:23:59,813 --> 00:24:02,065 [reporter] Governor Bob Martinez has already indicated 252 00:24:02,149 --> 00:24:04,568 that he wants the execution to take place. 253 00:24:05,485 --> 00:24:08,155 We have every intention of carrying out the death warrant 254 00:24:08,238 --> 00:24:10,699 at 7:00 a.m. on Tuesday, January 24th. 255 00:24:12,492 --> 00:24:16,246 [Bob Keppel] At this point, all I could do was hope for one more chance 256 00:24:16,329 --> 00:24:17,664 to talk with Bundy. 257 00:24:18,832 --> 00:24:22,502 Bill Hagmaier was pressuring Bundy to give me more time. 258 00:24:23,962 --> 00:24:26,923 I figured Bob would have the best show-up of anybody. 259 00:24:27,757 --> 00:24:30,927 And Bundy said he'd do it as a favor to me. 260 00:24:31,344 --> 00:24:34,556 [♪ dark music playing] 261 00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:40,061 [Bob Keppel] It was Sunday night. 262 00:24:40,145 --> 00:24:43,273 Ted had agreed to speak with each of the four state investigators 263 00:24:43,356 --> 00:24:45,025 for 30 minutes apiece 264 00:24:45,108 --> 00:24:46,568 starting with me. 265 00:24:46,651 --> 00:24:49,946 It was my last chance to get him to confess 266 00:24:50,030 --> 00:24:52,157 to the five remaining Washington murders. 267 00:25:14,846 --> 00:25:17,557 [Bob Keppel] The Evergreen College girl was Donna Manson. 268 00:25:17,641 --> 00:25:20,560 The clock was ticking louder with every passing second. 269 00:25:20,644 --> 00:25:23,188 Could I get Bundy to tell me what happened to her? 270 00:25:26,733 --> 00:25:28,902 [♪ dark music playing] 271 00:25:28,985 --> 00:25:32,239 [film strip whirring] 272 00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:39,538 One of the students at Evergreen, Donna Gail Manson, 273 00:25:39,621 --> 00:25:41,164 she was 19 years old, 274 00:25:42,165 --> 00:25:45,961 went to a dance on campus, uh, never arrived. 275 00:25:47,087 --> 00:25:48,338 Was never seen again. 276 00:25:50,257 --> 00:25:52,968 [Steven Winn] Donna Manson, she was more of a free spirit. 277 00:25:53,468 --> 00:25:56,263 She wrote poetry. She was interested in weaving. 278 00:25:56,346 --> 00:25:58,431 And when she went missing, her friends thought, 279 00:25:58,515 --> 00:26:01,142 "Oh, well, that's just Donna. She's just taking off." 280 00:26:03,103 --> 00:26:06,481 But five days later, her mother said, 281 00:26:06,565 --> 00:26:08,567 "I knew that Donna wasn't coming back." 282 00:26:08,650 --> 00:26:10,652 [♪ tense, ominous music playing] 283 00:26:16,700 --> 00:26:18,702 [clock ticking] 284 00:26:43,226 --> 00:26:44,853 [♪ tense, ominous music playing] 285 00:26:57,490 --> 00:27:01,578 [Bob Keppel] Bundy had just told us we could find Donna Manson's remains 286 00:27:01,661 --> 00:27:05,373 at Taylor Mountain, which was part of the Cascade Mountains. 287 00:27:06,041 --> 00:27:07,042 [camera clicks] 288 00:27:07,334 --> 00:27:10,462 It's also where we found the skulls of Lynda Healy, 289 00:27:10,545 --> 00:27:16,051 Susan Rancourt, Kathleen Parks, and Brenda Ball in 1975. 290 00:27:36,821 --> 00:27:38,740 Ted was pointing to nearby sites 291 00:27:38,823 --> 00:27:41,785 where we discovered the skulls of the four other young women. 292 00:27:42,285 --> 00:27:48,458 That tied Donna Manson and Bundy to Healy, Rancourt, Parks, and Ball. 293 00:28:22,701 --> 00:28:24,452 At one point, he called him "partner." 294 00:28:24,536 --> 00:28:27,330 "Come on, partner, tell me what--" That's very good. 295 00:28:27,997 --> 00:28:30,125 Trying to ally yourself with him 296 00:28:30,208 --> 00:28:33,253 so that you and he are both working on a case together. 297 00:29:19,340 --> 00:29:21,342 [♪ dark, tense music playing] 298 00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:25,597 [Bob Keppel] Bundy had just confessed to decapitating Donna Manson 299 00:29:26,347 --> 00:29:28,475 and then burning her skull 300 00:29:28,558 --> 00:29:31,269 in his girlfriend, Liz Kloepfer's fireplace. 301 00:29:33,271 --> 00:29:34,898 After 15 years of searching 302 00:29:34,981 --> 00:29:38,234 for the missing pieces of the Ted Bundy puzzle, 303 00:29:39,068 --> 00:29:41,362 it was almost too much to comprehend. 304 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:47,160 Keppel wanted to understand what is the psychology of a serial killer. 305 00:29:47,243 --> 00:29:48,578 And the more he talked with Bundy, 306 00:29:48,661 --> 00:29:50,997 the more he kind of learned how to draw him out, 307 00:29:52,207 --> 00:29:55,210 which is how we know that Donna Gail Manson 308 00:29:55,293 --> 00:29:58,296 was an early Ted Bundy victim. 309 00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:01,049 He got Ted to admit to it. 310 00:30:08,598 --> 00:30:11,309 [♪ tense music playing] 311 00:30:18,024 --> 00:30:20,068 [Bob Keppel] I knew that was [bleep]. 312 00:30:20,151 --> 00:30:22,362 I asked Bob if he ever found out 313 00:30:22,445 --> 00:30:25,949 why we just found skulls at Taylor Mountain, 314 00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:32,497 and he said, "The reason was that Bundy kept the skulls in his freezer 315 00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:33,998 for necrophilia." 316 00:30:36,376 --> 00:30:38,336 [♪ dramatic disturbing music plays] 317 00:30:39,170 --> 00:30:41,214 And occasionally, Bundy would take 'em out 318 00:30:41,756 --> 00:30:42,924 and use them. 319 00:30:45,385 --> 00:30:47,303 Then he threw 'em out at Taylor Mountain. 320 00:30:48,763 --> 00:30:51,516 [Bob Keppel] Hagmaier had told me that Bundy once admitted 321 00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:54,561 he had four heads at home with him at one time. 322 00:30:57,397 --> 00:30:59,691 They must've been the Taylor Mountain women. 323 00:31:01,276 --> 00:31:03,027 I remember just being shocked 324 00:31:03,778 --> 00:31:07,615 that Bundy was that sick and that evil. 325 00:31:16,916 --> 00:31:18,585 [Bob Keppel] Bundy had shut down again. 326 00:31:18,668 --> 00:31:22,255 Suddenly, my 30 minutes with him were almost up. 327 00:31:23,006 --> 00:31:24,299 This was my last chance. 328 00:31:25,675 --> 00:31:28,928 Where were the remains of those Taylor Mountain women? 329 00:31:34,017 --> 00:31:35,768 [♪ dark music playing] 330 00:31:39,606 --> 00:31:41,608 [clock ticking] 331 00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:05,715 [Bob Keppel] I had run out of time. 332 00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:10,011 And as Ted waited for the Supreme Court's final judgment, 333 00:32:10,094 --> 00:32:14,182 he still refused to say where he buried the bodies 334 00:32:14,265 --> 00:32:17,185 of Healy, Rancourt, Parks, and Ball. 335 00:32:18,019 --> 00:32:20,021 [♪ dark, tense music playing] 336 00:32:33,242 --> 00:32:35,328 [Bob Keppel] At this point, there was nothing I could 337 00:32:35,411 --> 00:32:37,580 or would do to save Ted. 338 00:32:38,081 --> 00:32:40,083 [ticking continues] 339 00:33:07,026 --> 00:33:08,695 [Bob Keppel] He clicked the tape recorder off 340 00:33:08,778 --> 00:33:10,196 and handed it back to me. 341 00:33:11,739 --> 00:33:13,866 Knowing I would never see him again, 342 00:33:13,950 --> 00:33:16,577 it was time for at least one moment of honesty. 343 00:33:17,578 --> 00:33:21,457 I told him that he had orchestrated the past few days very poorly. 344 00:33:22,125 --> 00:33:24,293 "You just killed yourself," I said. 345 00:33:25,378 --> 00:33:27,797 That was the last thing I ever said to Ted Bundy. 346 00:33:31,300 --> 00:33:33,720 [reporter] Ted Bundy confessed to investigator, Bob Keppel, 347 00:33:33,803 --> 00:33:36,973 that he committed at least eight murders in Washington state. 348 00:33:37,724 --> 00:33:43,354 We were elated that he had finally admitted to those murders. 349 00:33:44,772 --> 00:33:46,357 Bob did a great job. 350 00:33:48,943 --> 00:33:51,863 Dad would've liked to get his hands around his neck probably. 351 00:33:51,946 --> 00:33:52,947 [laughing] 352 00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:56,075 But I think that he got what he wanted in the end, 353 00:33:56,576 --> 00:33:59,662 which was for Bundy to just admit that he'd done it. 354 00:34:02,874 --> 00:34:05,418 [Bob Keppel] Bundy's confessions weren't perfect, 355 00:34:05,501 --> 00:34:07,295 but he had given me enough. 356 00:34:07,754 --> 00:34:09,756 I was confident I would finally be able 357 00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:11,966 to close the eight Washington cases 358 00:34:12,050 --> 00:34:13,301 in the months ahead 359 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,721 and give the families some peace. 360 00:34:17,722 --> 00:34:21,601 [Vivian Winters] We knew in our hearts that he would be connected to her. 361 00:34:23,936 --> 00:34:28,900 Losing a child is like losing a part of yourself. 362 00:34:30,193 --> 00:34:33,946 You can't replace it with drugs or drink 363 00:34:34,030 --> 00:34:36,365 or any number of things. 364 00:34:37,033 --> 00:34:38,201 It's gone. 365 00:34:40,536 --> 00:34:43,790 If a person is a menace to society, they ought to be exterminated. 366 00:34:43,873 --> 00:34:45,374 That's how I feel about it. 367 00:34:45,458 --> 00:34:47,585 I'd love to see him suffer is what I'd really like to see. 368 00:34:47,668 --> 00:34:50,171 [protesters shouting indistinctly] 369 00:34:51,714 --> 00:34:54,092 [crowd cheering and whooping] 370 00:34:54,175 --> 00:35:00,098 The death penalty was necessary because he has to be stopped. 371 00:35:00,848 --> 00:35:04,727 Just like you would put down a rabid dog. 372 00:35:04,811 --> 00:35:09,440 [crowd singing] ♪ Bye-bye, Ted Bundy, goodbye ♪ 373 00:35:09,524 --> 00:35:12,485 [distant singing] ♪ Bye-bye, Ted Bundy ♪ 374 00:35:12,568 --> 00:35:15,571 [♪ dark music playing] 375 00:35:34,674 --> 00:35:37,468 [protesters shouting indistinctly] 376 00:35:37,552 --> 00:35:39,554 [people cheering and whooping] 377 00:35:39,637 --> 00:35:42,014 [reporter] The Supreme Court has turned down his last appeal 378 00:35:42,098 --> 00:35:45,643 making this, almost surely, the last night of Ted Bundy's life. 379 00:35:47,311 --> 00:35:51,232 [Bob Keppel] In the end, Ted's strategy of trading information for more time 380 00:35:51,315 --> 00:35:52,859 was always doomed to fail. 381 00:35:53,734 --> 00:35:55,820 As the US Supreme Court said, 382 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,115 "The world had had enough of Ted Bundy." 383 00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:02,577 Court said, "There's nothing more to be gained. 384 00:36:03,202 --> 00:36:06,706 He's confessed to the crimes. Carry out the sentence." 385 00:36:06,789 --> 00:36:08,749 [reporter] The once smirking killer 386 00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:11,919 is now reported sobbing and scared to death. 387 00:36:14,046 --> 00:36:17,758 [Bob Keppel] FBI profiler, Bill Hagmaier had a special rapport with Ted. 388 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:21,971 Bundy asked Bill to sit with him on death watch. 389 00:36:23,055 --> 00:36:24,557 There's always a death watch, 390 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,144 because some people do commit suicide the night before. 391 00:36:30,396 --> 00:36:32,273 I was doing my job. 392 00:36:32,356 --> 00:36:34,442 It's kinda awkward sometimes, 393 00:36:34,525 --> 00:36:38,362 but I tend to believe that people can show people dignity 394 00:36:38,446 --> 00:36:40,031 whether they deserve it or not. 395 00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:46,162 [reporter] The death watch continues tonight 396 00:36:46,245 --> 00:36:48,539 outside the state prison at Starke, Florida. 397 00:36:50,249 --> 00:36:53,377 It's time for him to go and I want him gone. 398 00:36:54,712 --> 00:36:57,965 He should die at 7 o'clock and not a minute later. 399 00:36:58,424 --> 00:37:00,426 [clock ticking] 400 00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:06,515 [Hagmaier] He asked, "Where should I get buried?" 401 00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:08,017 So, we went through that. 402 00:37:08,100 --> 00:37:10,102 [♪ tense music playing] 403 00:37:10,394 --> 00:37:13,397 At one point he says, "I can't go in there." 404 00:37:15,191 --> 00:37:18,236 I told him that it has to happen. 405 00:37:18,778 --> 00:37:21,489 And he says, "Well, I'm not gonna give the governor or anybody else 406 00:37:21,572 --> 00:37:24,533 the satisfaction of watching me cry into that chair." 407 00:37:24,617 --> 00:37:26,285 [♪ tense music continues] 408 00:37:27,370 --> 00:37:29,372 [Dr. Salerno] I think what bothered him is, 409 00:37:29,455 --> 00:37:32,959 he couldn't talk himself out of anything at that point. 410 00:37:33,042 --> 00:37:34,543 He was not in control. 411 00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:37,380 And that enraged him. 412 00:37:39,006 --> 00:37:40,383 I said, "You have to do it." 413 00:37:42,093 --> 00:37:45,972 And he pulled a pen out and he put it up against his artery. 414 00:37:46,973 --> 00:37:49,558 He said, "I push this in here, 415 00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:53,271 "blood will shoot at least 14 feet. 416 00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:55,690 "You're gonna have it all over your face, 417 00:37:55,773 --> 00:37:58,442 and I'll be dead before you can get the guard here." 418 00:37:58,526 --> 00:38:00,528 [♪ tense music playing] 419 00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:04,490 [Hagmaier] It was a bad situation. 420 00:38:05,408 --> 00:38:06,784 I mean, it was very difficult. 421 00:38:06,867 --> 00:38:10,871 He's looking at the clock, and he knew that he was gonna die. 422 00:38:11,789 --> 00:38:13,916 He says, "I'm not gonna sit in that chair." 423 00:38:15,042 --> 00:38:18,170 A lot of serial killers will commit suicide in prison 424 00:38:18,254 --> 00:38:21,632 just so they are in control of when they die. 425 00:38:21,716 --> 00:38:24,844 That's like their last-ditch effort to be on top. 426 00:38:27,263 --> 00:38:29,640 [Hagmaier] I just stared at him and I said, 427 00:38:30,391 --> 00:38:32,727 "A little while ago, you took a Bible 428 00:38:33,561 --> 00:38:36,981 "and were reading it and saying prayers. 429 00:38:37,064 --> 00:38:39,150 What is it you wanted in there?" 430 00:38:39,233 --> 00:38:40,943 [♪ tense music playing] 431 00:38:41,027 --> 00:38:46,782 And he said, "I wanna know if I have a chance for another life." 432 00:38:48,826 --> 00:38:51,954 And I said, "You ask God for forgiveness 433 00:38:52,038 --> 00:38:54,623 "and you just told me you killed over 30 people. 434 00:38:55,207 --> 00:38:59,587 You think you're in a situation where you can add another homicide?" 435 00:39:00,338 --> 00:39:03,507 He said, "No, it's suicide." I said, "Suicide is a murder." 436 00:39:04,925 --> 00:39:06,594 And he goes, "You're right. 437 00:39:09,013 --> 00:39:12,433 "I just-- I just can't. I-- I'm just afraid. 438 00:39:14,185 --> 00:39:16,771 But you know, you have been my best friend." 439 00:39:16,854 --> 00:39:18,814 And, of course, that's-- [chuckles] 440 00:39:18,898 --> 00:39:20,941 That-- that-- that kinda makes you throw up a little bit 441 00:39:21,025 --> 00:39:22,943 as much as it does makes you feel good 442 00:39:23,027 --> 00:39:26,030 that you've been able to... get through to him. 443 00:39:26,530 --> 00:39:28,866 [♪ dark music playing] 444 00:39:29,492 --> 00:39:31,494 [clock ticking] 445 00:39:34,288 --> 00:39:37,625 [Bob Keppel] Hagmaier left a melancholy Ted Bundy alone in his cell. 446 00:39:38,501 --> 00:39:41,629 Outside the prison walls, the mood was very different. 447 00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:46,801 [reporter] Hundreds of people lined up outside the prison at Starke, Florida, 448 00:39:46,884 --> 00:39:49,595 some carrying signs cheering on the execution. 449 00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:54,141 Bundy did speak with his mother by telephone before he faced death. 450 00:39:57,269 --> 00:39:59,939 For 13 years, he's sworn up and down, 451 00:40:00,022 --> 00:40:02,233 backwards and forwards, that he was innocent. 452 00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:04,735 And then all of a sudden... 453 00:40:04,819 --> 00:40:05,820 [camera clicks] 454 00:40:06,195 --> 00:40:11,325 After she got off the phone, she said, "Well, I said goodbye to Ted. 455 00:40:12,368 --> 00:40:18,040 And he apologized for all the bad he did." 456 00:40:19,125 --> 00:40:21,460 And I gave her a hug and I said, "You know, hey, 457 00:40:24,672 --> 00:40:27,633 "we know that it wasn't right, of course, and that... 458 00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:31,053 it's too bad it had to end like this." 459 00:40:33,389 --> 00:40:37,476 If you're related to somebody like Bundy, that's traumatizing. 460 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:38,978 It's an extreme betrayal, 461 00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:43,190 because it's like this truly authentic emotional bond 462 00:40:43,274 --> 00:40:44,984 which Ted couldn't form. 463 00:40:46,444 --> 00:40:47,987 There is no reciprocity. 464 00:40:50,865 --> 00:40:53,993 She was still processing all this in her mind and her heart. 465 00:40:54,493 --> 00:40:57,580 I-- I can see her quite clearly saying that to me like, 466 00:40:57,663 --> 00:41:00,207 "Well, that's it. You know what? This is it." You know? 467 00:41:01,667 --> 00:41:03,919 He's still our son no matter what he's done 468 00:41:04,003 --> 00:41:05,754 and we love him very much. 469 00:41:08,257 --> 00:41:10,134 [reporter] Ted Bundy stirred hatred. 470 00:41:10,718 --> 00:41:14,555 An unprecedented crowd of hundreds started gathering before dawn. 471 00:41:14,638 --> 00:41:17,725 It took on a macabre, circus-like atmosphere. 472 00:41:17,808 --> 00:41:19,059 [crowd singing] ♪ Bye-bye, Ted Bundy ♪ 473 00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:21,770 [reporter] It was the morning people here had been anticipating 474 00:41:21,854 --> 00:41:23,522 for 10 bitter years. 475 00:41:23,606 --> 00:41:27,276 The day state prison officials wired up the chair called Old Sparky 476 00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:30,029 and ordered Theodore Bundy to take his seat. 477 00:41:30,529 --> 00:41:32,156 [♪ tense music playing] 478 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:33,491 [Bob Keppel] Ted's hour had come. 479 00:41:36,118 --> 00:41:39,455 At 7:00 a.m., he was led to the death chamber. 480 00:41:40,581 --> 00:41:42,416 At that point, he was scared to death. 481 00:41:42,500 --> 00:41:44,460 Believe me, Bundy was terrified. 482 00:41:46,128 --> 00:41:48,964 Nobody walks to their execution cool and calm. 483 00:41:51,759 --> 00:41:54,929 [Bob Keppel] Outside, the chanting crowd wanted vengeance. 484 00:41:55,012 --> 00:42:00,643 They watched for the lights to dim, the signal that the execution had begun. 485 00:42:02,394 --> 00:42:04,230 [reporter] Until the very last moment, 486 00:42:04,313 --> 00:42:08,692 no one could be sure Bundy didn't have a last trick up his sleeve. 487 00:42:14,448 --> 00:42:17,952 You see the hand tightening, tighter and tighter. 488 00:42:19,286 --> 00:42:21,956 The man suspected of brutally killing 36 women 489 00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:24,500 met the long, drawn-out demands of justice. 490 00:42:24,583 --> 00:42:25,584 Yoo-hoo! 491 00:42:25,668 --> 00:42:28,420 I started to cry for all his victims. 492 00:42:30,339 --> 00:42:32,925 The Green River killer had started killing in 1982. 493 00:42:33,592 --> 00:42:37,680 [reporter] The identity of their killer remained a mystery 494 00:42:37,763 --> 00:42:39,473 until 2001. 495 00:42:40,474 --> 00:42:43,978 The break in this case came when detectives were able to conclusively link 496 00:42:44,061 --> 00:42:45,854 DNA to three of the victims. 497 00:42:46,438 --> 00:42:49,108 The first location is down that road down there. 498 00:42:49,858 --> 00:42:51,819 There it is. Isn't that teeth? 499 00:42:51,902 --> 00:42:55,864 Debra Estes was my daughter and she had just turned 15 years old. 500 00:42:55,948 --> 00:42:59,034 This is something that is a life sentence. 501 00:42:59,118 --> 00:43:01,287 It lives with you forever. 502 00:43:01,370 --> 00:43:04,498 I hope you rot in hell. Son of a [bleep]. 502 00:43:05,305 --> 00:44:05,885 Watch Online Movies and Series for FREE www.osdb.link/lm