Listen Up: The Lives of Quincy Jones

1 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:12,074 Do you want subtitles for any video? -=[ ai.OpenSubtitles.com ]=- 2 00:01:46,573 --> 00:01:48,905 Scene one, take one. 3 00:01:49,743 --> 00:01:52,337 I'm Quincy Jones. Do I look--? We're facing here or here? 4 00:01:52,512 --> 00:01:54,742 -No, you always face here. -Always facing-- Okay. 5 00:01:59,753 --> 00:02:02,051 Oh, man. 6 00:02:04,191 --> 00:02:06,751 If we'd stayed in Chicago, we'd have been gone. 7 00:02:07,761 --> 00:02:10,093 Because nobody gets out hardly. 8 00:02:16,036 --> 00:02:20,269 There's 635. Wait a minute now. Yeah, it looks so big. 9 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,169 Quincy Delight Jones. 10 00:02:22,342 --> 00:02:24,470 Yeah, I remember that sucker. 11 00:02:25,646 --> 00:02:27,114 -See, that's old, isn't it? -Yes. 12 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,113 He was a guy that you automatically liked, as a kid. 13 00:02:31,051 --> 00:02:35,420 -Can I have your autograph? -Yeah, well, I'll sign a couple of them. 14 00:02:37,324 --> 00:02:41,283 Of course, that infectious smile he has. 15 00:02:42,129 --> 00:02:44,188 He just smiles and everything's all right. 16 00:02:44,364 --> 00:02:48,824 Got lucky. Here, turned my pockets inside out. 17 00:02:50,604 --> 00:02:53,505 You know, I used to live here when I was 6 years old. 18 00:02:54,641 --> 00:02:57,770 My mother always kept me abreast on-- His name was real familiar. 19 00:02:58,178 --> 00:03:00,010 -How old are you, honey? -Five. 20 00:03:00,180 --> 00:03:01,272 -Five? -Three. 21 00:03:01,448 --> 00:03:02,438 That's sweet. 22 00:03:02,616 --> 00:03:05,108 His name was always an outstanding point in music. 23 00:03:13,093 --> 00:03:16,222 Quincy Jones was kind of like untouchable. 24 00:03:16,396 --> 00:03:18,558 I've met people in this business, giants. 25 00:03:18,732 --> 00:03:22,726 Like Quincy, I mean, he was the first person who made me feel like he wasn't a giant... 26 00:03:22,903 --> 00:03:25,395 ...like, "I'm just one of your home boys" and stuff. 27 00:03:25,572 --> 00:03:29,065 If Quincy got off the plane in Chicago, he'd head for the South Side. 28 00:03:31,611 --> 00:03:35,445 -Hey, man, what's happening? -Mr. T. Mr. T. 29 00:03:35,615 --> 00:03:37,777 - I was born here. - I was born down the street. 30 00:03:37,951 --> 00:03:41,012 -Fifty years, man. -Mr. T. Mr. T. 31 00:03:41,188 --> 00:03:42,519 -Unbelievable. -I'll see you. 32 00:03:42,689 --> 00:03:44,521 Okay. 33 00:03:46,660 --> 00:03:49,789 The more I hang around him, he tells me stories about 52nd Street... 34 00:03:49,963 --> 00:03:52,227 ...and the guys that he's come in contact with. 35 00:03:52,399 --> 00:03:54,163 Duke Ellington and things like that. 36 00:03:54,334 --> 00:03:57,565 Not only that, but he's a big inspiration to my musical life. 37 00:04:04,077 --> 00:04:07,604 What he was like then? He was very... 38 00:04:07,781 --> 00:04:14,209 -Quincy, in 1948, was skinny, nosy... -Curious about music. 39 00:04:15,489 --> 00:04:18,390 He out-questioned anybody. 40 00:04:18,558 --> 00:04:21,391 "How do you do this?" "How's this and how's that?" 41 00:04:21,561 --> 00:04:23,825 -How long have you lived here? -Thirty-five years. 42 00:04:23,997 --> 00:04:25,658 Yeah, I left 46 years ago. 43 00:04:25,832 --> 00:04:30,929 He was just like a friend, someone that you knew, and had known all along. 44 00:04:31,772 --> 00:04:34,537 He had a pretty interesting life so far, from what I gather. 45 00:04:46,052 --> 00:04:50,216 Basically, it's a lot that's just blanked out, you know? 46 00:04:50,390 --> 00:04:55,226 That I've just totally blanked out, and just... 47 00:04:56,363 --> 00:04:57,990 ...preferred not to see. 48 00:05:39,573 --> 00:05:44,170 I'm Lloyd Jones, Quincy's brother. Younger brother. 49 00:05:45,111 --> 00:05:49,981 But you have to understand it, that what happened at 6 and 7... 50 00:05:51,051 --> 00:05:52,485 ...is.... 51 00:06:00,327 --> 00:06:03,627 What happened at 6 and 7... 52 00:06:03,797 --> 00:06:04,821 I used to cry a lot. 53 00:06:06,299 --> 00:06:07,926 I can remember standing up... 54 00:06:08,101 --> 00:06:12,163 ...with both hands on the edge of this baby crib, crying... 55 00:06:12,339 --> 00:06:16,867 ...and I'd look down in the crib, and Quincy is sound asleep. 56 00:06:17,644 --> 00:06:19,408 Lloyd and I were in bed one night. 57 00:06:21,114 --> 00:06:22,548 We had slept a little bit. 58 00:06:22,716 --> 00:06:24,047 And the thunder woke us. 59 00:06:24,217 --> 00:06:26,879 The lightning came down and crashed through the window. 60 00:06:27,053 --> 00:06:28,418 Crashed through the window. 61 00:06:29,189 --> 00:06:32,420 Rain came pouring down right after the thunder and the lightning... 62 00:06:32,592 --> 00:06:35,357 ...and we caught that. We were terrified. It just came down. 63 00:06:35,528 --> 00:06:38,327 We saw the shade start to make noise against the window. 64 00:06:38,498 --> 00:06:40,023 And the shade kept flapping. 65 00:06:43,837 --> 00:06:46,067 We realized that we were home alone... 66 00:06:47,107 --> 00:06:48,905 ...and we freaked. 67 00:06:59,185 --> 00:07:01,882 Nobody was there, you know, there was nobody there. 68 00:07:08,094 --> 00:07:10,995 ! didn't spend a lot of time with my father. 69 00:07:11,164 --> 00:07:12,791 He worked hard. He worked real hard. 70 00:07:16,236 --> 00:07:17,226 He-- 71 00:07:27,180 --> 00:07:29,774 Sometimes it's hard to talk to him but then once I-- 72 00:07:29,950 --> 00:07:34,911 -Of course, he's our father. -Once I say what I wanna say, he's fine. 73 00:07:35,088 --> 00:07:39,218 Like, I couldn't really talk to him for a while because I never see him. 74 00:07:39,392 --> 00:07:40,860 Yeah. 75 00:07:41,027 --> 00:07:42,995 He was working a lot. 76 00:07:43,163 --> 00:07:45,757 I'd just be like, "Hi, Daddy, I love you. Bye, Daddy." 77 00:07:45,932 --> 00:07:47,229 There's nobody there... 78 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,801 ...for the things you wanted to ask about life 79 00:07:49,970 --> 00:07:51,495 ...or "How you doing?" That stuff. 80 00:08:04,384 --> 00:08:06,045 -So Lucy used to live here? -There. 81 00:08:06,219 --> 00:08:08,278 Right-- Oh, the next door here? 82 00:08:08,455 --> 00:08:11,083 -We like your music. -Thank you. Nice to meet you. 83 00:08:11,257 --> 00:08:13,123 Nice meeting you. 84 00:08:13,393 --> 00:08:15,191 Living in Chicago... 85 00:08:16,696 --> 00:08:19,859 ...5 or 6 years old, and a lady-- 86 00:08:20,033 --> 00:08:23,333 A teenage girl next door used to play her buns off. 87 00:08:25,505 --> 00:08:27,667 Just one second, I'll be right back. 88 00:08:27,841 --> 00:08:32,540 She played stride piano. It was the first live music I'd heard. 89 00:08:32,712 --> 00:08:33,770 Hey, baby. 90 00:08:33,947 --> 00:08:36,348 They had a baby grand piano-- 91 00:08:36,516 --> 00:08:38,678 -So glad to see you. - Me too, honey. 92 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:41,344 --but their mother didn't want them to play the piano. 93 00:08:41,521 --> 00:08:43,250 Why didn't she want me to play? 94 00:08:43,423 --> 00:08:49,419 She thought music would deter you or would do something to you. 95 00:08:51,164 --> 00:08:53,132 Jesus Christ. 96 00:08:55,502 --> 00:08:58,836 I can't put it all together. I remember that though. 97 00:09:03,410 --> 00:09:06,380 I don't know about Chicago. He's told me about it... 98 00:09:08,548 --> 00:09:13,110 ...and in all fairness, I wouldn't wanna say anything. 99 00:09:15,321 --> 00:09:18,916 It was strange because she just disappeared from my life at 6 or 7. 100 00:09:35,842 --> 00:09:40,439 And I never will forget. They wanted to know, "Why, Lucy?" 101 00:09:40,613 --> 00:09:41,671 I had no answers. 102 00:09:42,515 --> 00:09:46,748 The children always thought that their parents were going to be there. 103 00:09:48,421 --> 00:09:50,446 My mother was sick. 104 00:09:50,623 --> 00:09:51,920 And she was away. 105 00:09:53,259 --> 00:09:56,251 I remember going out with my daddy and Lloyd. 106 00:09:58,064 --> 00:09:59,862 See, we used to go out to see her. 107 00:10:00,867 --> 00:10:03,962 She was at place called Manteno State Hospital. 108 00:10:04,137 --> 00:10:05,571 And it was a... 109 00:10:07,774 --> 00:10:10,072 It was a mental hospital. 110 00:10:12,445 --> 00:10:15,938 In the film, In Cold Blood, Richard Brooks wanted the kind of music... 111 00:10:16,116 --> 00:10:18,551 ...that a mother would sing to you... 112 00:10:19,552 --> 00:10:23,955 ...if a mother sang to you, as a child. 113 00:10:28,061 --> 00:10:31,395 And so you have to filter that demand... 114 00:10:31,564 --> 00:10:34,864 ...from the film through your own psyche. 115 00:10:37,403 --> 00:10:42,637 The word "mother” doesn't mean too much to me except what I acquired. 116 00:10:42,809 --> 00:10:47,576 I have an understanding of it now because I have children and I know what it's about. 117 00:10:49,682 --> 00:10:53,812 But in terms of my life, it doesn't have a meaning for me. 118 00:10:53,987 --> 00:10:55,819 In the sense that what "mother--" 119 00:10:55,989 --> 00:10:58,253 What she is as a human being and everything else. 120 00:10:58,424 --> 00:11:02,258 But a relationship, I don't have that. I don't know what it is, you know? 121 00:11:02,428 --> 00:11:05,489 <i>But I know [ lost something. And I know there's a hole there.</i> 122 00:11:05,665 --> 00:11:06,962 I'm looking for that thing-- 123 00:11:10,803 --> 00:11:12,464 --That you keep trying to fill up. 124 00:11:26,019 --> 00:11:28,681 Lucy's sounds stuck in my mind... 125 00:11:29,022 --> 00:11:33,721 ...and I guess about at 12 years old, I got interested, I got stuck. 126 00:11:33,893 --> 00:11:36,658 When I look back and I think about the Clark Terrys. 127 00:11:36,829 --> 00:11:38,297 -Clark Terry. -And Bobby Tuckers. 128 00:11:38,464 --> 00:11:41,297 -I'm Bobby Tucker. -I used to watch his fingers play piano. 129 00:11:41,467 --> 00:11:44,198 -Billy Eckstine. -Billy Eckstine singing his brains out. 130 00:11:50,476 --> 00:11:55,175 He liked Dizzy Gillespie's band. I happen to love Dizzy Gillespie's band too. 131 00:11:55,348 --> 00:11:56,713 Very good band. 132 00:11:56,883 --> 00:12:01,150 Duke Ellington records, that's when I first started to realize that there was this... 133 00:12:01,321 --> 00:12:02,811 ...great thing happening. 134 00:12:05,592 --> 00:12:07,060 Say who [ am? 135 00:12:07,227 --> 00:12:10,629 Oh, bay, that's interesting. I've never had to do that. 136 00:12:10,797 --> 00:12:12,390 This is a first for me. 137 00:12:13,366 --> 00:12:14,993 All right, now back that up. 138 00:12:15,168 --> 00:12:17,728 And you can do anything you want with it right here. 139 00:12:17,904 --> 00:12:20,305 I'm Ray Charles... 140 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,036 ...and what else can I say? 141 00:12:23,710 --> 00:12:25,542 I'm gonna make three or four of these... 142 00:12:25,712 --> 00:12:28,545 ...and then we'll go to the next section. 143 00:12:28,715 --> 00:12:29,705 All right, baby. 144 00:12:32,952 --> 00:12:34,613 One more time. One more-- 145 00:12:34,787 --> 00:12:37,984 You could pick it up with saying, "You said, we've been together." 146 00:12:38,157 --> 00:12:39,318 Okay, okay. 147 00:12:50,637 --> 00:12:53,299 I would hate to break up, break up my happy home. 148 00:13:08,154 --> 00:13:09,781 Of all these things life has... 149 00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:48,458 There's something I wanted to tell you, though. And it left me. 150 00:13:58,604 --> 00:14:01,073 His childhood? I don't know anything about that. 151 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,708 He's never asked me about mine. 152 00:14:12,085 --> 00:14:15,020 Lord have mercy. That's Elvira's house. 153 00:14:15,188 --> 00:14:17,054 Just hold it just a second. 154 00:14:23,229 --> 00:14:26,494 It all started right here, with her. 155 00:14:26,999 --> 00:14:30,867 Daddy had took Lloyd and I to one of Joe Louis' fights. 156 00:14:31,104 --> 00:14:33,971 That is unbelievable. 157 00:14:34,474 --> 00:14:37,569 And Joe Louis gave us the boxing gloves that he won with. 158 00:14:41,781 --> 00:14:44,341 Raymond, my stepbrother, lived down the street... 159 00:14:44,517 --> 00:14:47,009 ...and he had a BB gun, and I really wanted it bad. 160 00:14:48,654 --> 00:14:50,952 So I said, "I'll trade you these boxing gloves... 161 00:14:51,124 --> 00:14:53,559 ...that Joe Louis gave me for this BB gun." 162 00:14:56,696 --> 00:14:59,996 ! went home, and my daddy was mad that I gave Joe Louis' gloves away. 163 00:15:00,166 --> 00:15:03,830 He went back to retrieve the gloves, and when he came back... 164 00:15:04,003 --> 00:15:09,635 ...he was in love with Raymond's mother, Elvira, who was later to be my stepmother. 165 00:15:15,114 --> 00:15:20,052 Our stepmother, most of the time, referred to us as "Jones' kids." 166 00:15:25,024 --> 00:15:29,325 Yeah, he did the best he could. He was just a real sad dude with women. 167 00:15:29,495 --> 00:15:30,929 Boy. 168 00:15:34,267 --> 00:15:38,261 The women in my life, at that time, didn't work too well. 169 00:15:38,571 --> 00:15:40,938 With the stepmother-- Her kids, kept telling me... 170 00:15:41,507 --> 00:15:44,943 ...that "Your mother's really messed up, you know? 171 00:15:45,111 --> 00:15:47,409 And if she gets out, she's gonna kill you guys.” 172 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:49,780 That's all we heard, we were conditioned. 173 00:15:49,949 --> 00:15:50,973 You start to see it. 174 00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:53,482 You know, my imagination always was out of control. 175 00:15:53,653 --> 00:15:55,417 And so I started to picture it... 176 00:15:55,588 --> 00:15:59,991 ...picture her and associate the picture of her with a death threat. 177 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:03,959 When she got out one time, she came, and we saw her running to us to hug us. 178 00:16:04,130 --> 00:16:09,068 And we screamed and we freaked. We ran about seven blocks, we were so afraid. 179 00:16:10,236 --> 00:16:12,967 That's the last time I saw her, until I was 15. 180 00:16:13,139 --> 00:16:16,200 And so, emotionally, you say, “Well, I can't depend on a mother... 181 00:16:16,375 --> 00:16:18,309 ...I don't have. So / don't need one."” 182 00:16:18,478 --> 00:16:23,644 I'm sure that affected my relationship with-- A lot of problems with women later. 183 00:16:45,304 --> 00:16:50,174 On the way to school one day, we stopped and we saw this guy hanging... 184 00:16:50,343 --> 00:16:55,179 ...by the back of his coat on the first rung of a telephone pole... 185 00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:59,046 ...with an ice pick stuck through his neck. 186 00:16:59,218 --> 00:17:04,679 We checked that out, you know, kept right on to school. 187 00:17:05,057 --> 00:17:09,290 Out of Chicago for 10 years, nothing was gonna surprise you. You see everything. 188 00:17:09,462 --> 00:17:13,228 He never talked about the violence or anything about his background. 189 00:17:13,566 --> 00:17:15,728 I knew no more about Quincy... 190 00:17:15,902 --> 00:17:19,338 ...when we finished working together on The Pawnbroker than when we met. 191 00:17:19,505 --> 00:17:24,136 I knew that there must be an enormous amount of violence in his life some place. 192 00:17:24,310 --> 00:17:26,745 Whether it had happened to him or his imagination... 193 00:17:26,913 --> 00:17:31,043 ... have no way of knowing. But, boy, is it there in that score. 194 00:17:34,153 --> 00:17:37,145 Some drunk white guy came over to Raymond's school one day... 195 00:17:37,323 --> 00:17:39,257 ...and I had to be 5 years old. 196 00:17:40,159 --> 00:17:43,993 And he starts harassing him, naturally, calling him all these names and stuff. 197 00:17:44,163 --> 00:17:46,825 The big N, all that stuff, and I knew he was crazy then. 198 00:17:46,999 --> 00:17:48,990 He went in, out to the basketball place. 199 00:17:49,168 --> 00:17:51,136 Pushed the dudes around and it was over. 200 00:17:51,304 --> 00:17:54,001 Then they decked him and kicked his ass, you know? 201 00:17:54,206 --> 00:17:56,834 Then they went and found two sheets... 202 00:17:57,176 --> 00:18:01,010 ...and tied the sheets around his legs. 203 00:18:01,180 --> 00:18:05,014 There used to be a little call around Chicago that said: 204 00:18:05,184 --> 00:18:09,246 It's like a call from street to street. The alleys had cobblestones on the ground. 205 00:18:09,422 --> 00:18:12,517 People throw whiskey bottles, what-all kind of bottles out there. 206 00:18:12,692 --> 00:18:15,423 And there's a man that comes through there 16 times a day. 207 00:18:15,595 --> 00:18:18,064 Rags and old iron man, selling rags and old iron. 208 00:18:18,230 --> 00:18:24,033 And he's got this raggedy wagon with a horse, big iron horseshoes on it... 209 00:18:24,203 --> 00:18:27,833 ...and great, big metal iron grilles, probably that wide, you know? 210 00:18:28,007 --> 00:18:29,441 "Rags and old iron." 211 00:18:29,609 --> 00:18:31,839 Every day he comes through there, for years. 212 00:18:32,011 --> 00:18:34,946 And so these bottles that are out there are just ground down... 213 00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:37,208 ...until they're just pulverized like powder. 214 00:18:37,383 --> 00:18:41,115 So these guys got the dude face first, down like that, you know. 215 00:18:41,287 --> 00:18:44,655 After they had beat him up, they took the sheets over their shoulders. 216 00:18:44,924 --> 00:18:47,359 They just had this little kind of rhythmic lope... 217 00:18:47,526 --> 00:18:51,554 ...and just dragged from State Street and they got to Martin Luther King Drive... 218 00:18:51,731 --> 00:18:54,723 ...dropped the rags and kept on going. Didn't miss a beat. 219 00:18:54,900 --> 00:18:58,700 This guy's face was ground from here to here, you know? 220 00:18:58,871 --> 00:19:01,169 Through the cobblestones and the pulverized glass. 221 00:19:10,850 --> 00:19:14,218 It's like being in the jungle but no trees and no grass. 222 00:19:14,387 --> 00:19:19,484 Everything is just iron and concrete. And it's like-- Just living out there, it's like-- 223 00:19:19,659 --> 00:19:22,685 You living like every day is the first day and the last day. 224 00:19:28,434 --> 00:19:30,562 If we stayed in Chicago, we would've be gone. 225 00:19:34,206 --> 00:19:36,903 The greatest contribution that my dad made... 226 00:19:37,443 --> 00:19:40,276 ...it was getting us out of Chicago. 227 00:19:40,579 --> 00:19:41,944 Nobody gets out hardly. 228 00:19:42,982 --> 00:19:45,542 When we moved to Seattle, in Bremerton... 229 00:19:46,452 --> 00:19:48,420 ...you think, “You gotta protect yourself." 230 00:19:48,821 --> 00:19:51,847 You carried little switch blades and everything else, you know? 231 00:19:52,558 --> 00:19:56,256 Totally unnecessary, because that's a totally different kind of culture. 232 00:20:02,601 --> 00:20:05,593 Living in Bremerton, we had just one bedroom... 233 00:20:05,771 --> 00:20:09,002 ...a living space and a kitchen. 234 00:20:09,175 --> 00:20:12,406 -Ten people lived in two rooms-- -My father and stepmother... 235 00:20:12,578 --> 00:20:14,740 Elvira, Lloyd, Katherine, my stepsister... 236 00:20:14,914 --> 00:20:17,747 ...and Margie, who's my half sister. Willie Lee, Theresa. 237 00:20:17,917 --> 00:20:20,011 Janet my half sister, Richard, half brother. 238 00:20:20,186 --> 00:20:23,679 Raymond, Lloyd, Theresa, five. Then six, Margie was born in there too. 239 00:20:24,090 --> 00:20:26,286 Was it six? I can't keep up with my daddy. 240 00:20:27,093 --> 00:20:28,857 My daddy did the best he could. 241 00:20:29,028 --> 00:20:32,054 He encouraged whatever I was into because there were so many kids... 242 00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:36,532 ...and I wanted a music book in Bremerton. It cost a dollar or 98 cents or something. 243 00:20:36,702 --> 00:20:38,192 He would sneak the money to me. 244 00:20:38,370 --> 00:20:40,464 He didn't have enough to give to everybody. 245 00:20:40,639 --> 00:20:42,334 And... 246 00:20:43,476 --> 00:20:45,342 He was beautiful. 247 00:20:46,212 --> 00:20:49,443 As far as the kids were concerned, we all got along. 248 00:20:49,615 --> 00:20:54,485 It was the parent-child situation that didn't seem to work. 249 00:20:54,653 --> 00:20:56,587 There was one little closet in the house. 250 00:20:56,756 --> 00:21:01,353 We used to spend most of our nights in that closet, doing everything. 251 00:21:01,527 --> 00:21:05,930 Now, if you want to be alone, you got mad at somebody or wanted to pout... 252 00:21:06,098 --> 00:21:09,466 I used to just dream and just escape it all. 253 00:21:19,178 --> 00:21:20,907 ...the closet was always there. 254 00:21:27,386 --> 00:21:32,881 To get out of whatever was distasteful or unpleasant or uncomfortable or painful... 255 00:21:33,459 --> 00:21:35,120 ...music could always soothe that. 256 00:21:35,294 --> 00:21:39,094 You can just crawl in that world and reach in that black hole... 257 00:21:39,732 --> 00:21:41,894 ...grab something beautiful, it'd take you away. 258 00:21:42,067 --> 00:21:45,662 Definitely music, it, like, just put my thoughts to another level... 259 00:21:45,838 --> 00:21:50,332 ...because other than that, I'd probably rob a bank and get killed on the way out. 260 00:21:50,543 --> 00:21:54,912 I was about 14 the first time I went to jail. And boy, that process was not fun. 261 00:21:55,080 --> 00:22:00,075 The cops stopped us. They saw five black dudes in the city and they pulled us over. 262 00:22:00,252 --> 00:22:03,882 They smelled the stuff in the car and we were headlines on the Bremerton Sun. 263 00:22:04,056 --> 00:22:06,423 It's exciting for the movies, but for real life... 264 00:22:06,592 --> 00:22:10,119 ...you'd rather end the story cooling out in the Bahamas with a piña colada... 265 00:22:10,296 --> 00:22:12,924 ...and girls in bikinis or something like that. 266 00:22:13,098 --> 00:22:15,692 He told me the other day, "Man, anybody in this room--" 267 00:22:15,868 --> 00:22:19,463 It was me, Melle Mel, Kane, he said, "Any of us in this room, man... 268 00:22:19,638 --> 00:22:23,097 ...20 seconds in the other direction, we'd have been in the penitentiary." 269 00:22:23,275 --> 00:22:25,835 Every time, I'd always try to go to the wrong side... 270 00:22:26,011 --> 00:22:28,241 ...that's what's in my head, this is your life. 271 00:23:05,017 --> 00:23:07,008 You don't know the Dude? Quincy's his name 272 00:23:07,186 --> 00:23:09,382 Once music grabbed my mind... 273 00:23:09,555 --> 00:23:12,047 ... didn't wanna blow my energy on that dumb stuff. 274 00:23:12,224 --> 00:23:13,817 Fingerprints and all that stuff. 275 00:23:18,664 --> 00:23:22,123 I remember the day he found this French horn. 276 00:23:22,401 --> 00:23:24,699 Quincy heard jazz, wanted to know how to write it. 277 00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:27,805 "I'm Quincy Jones and I play trumpet.” 278 00:23:27,973 --> 00:23:29,998 "I don't know where the French horn came from." 279 00:23:30,175 --> 00:23:32,007 "I'd like to take some lessons from you." 280 00:23:32,177 --> 00:23:35,875 He asked me to show him how to do-- How to write this or how to write that. 281 00:23:36,048 --> 00:23:38,608 So he said, "But the only time I could do it would be... 282 00:23:38,784 --> 00:23:41,617 ...before I go to school in the morning." "What time is that?" 283 00:23:41,787 --> 00:23:44,222 He said, "Like, about 6, 6:30." 284 00:23:44,790 --> 00:23:47,919 We just sort of clicked, as they say... 285 00:23:48,093 --> 00:23:51,552 ...and he'd come over to my house about 9:00 in the morning. 286 00:23:51,764 --> 00:23:53,732 Let me in, teach me how to do it. 287 00:23:53,899 --> 00:23:56,561 -Wake me up. -Here come the phone rings: 288 00:23:56,735 --> 00:23:58,726 "Hello." "Hi, this is Quincy Jones." 289 00:23:58,904 --> 00:24:00,998 When I played higher notes, my lip would bleed... 290 00:24:01,173 --> 00:24:05,110 ...and Clark helped me get my embouchure here so it would have more reinforcement. 291 00:24:05,277 --> 00:24:07,939 Stressed the importance of posture so that you could... 292 00:24:08,113 --> 00:24:09,706 Tell him how to voice that. 293 00:24:09,882 --> 00:24:11,441 ...have a firm body. 294 00:24:11,617 --> 00:24:14,245 Both hands on this thing and he was-- 295 00:24:14,420 --> 00:24:15,615 He really developed that. 296 00:24:15,788 --> 00:24:21,659 You know, struggling to get some sound out of it, and from that moment on... 297 00:24:21,827 --> 00:24:22,817 ...it's been music. 298 00:24:30,069 --> 00:24:32,401 -You want to hear that? -Yeah, let me hear it. 299 00:24:32,571 --> 00:24:34,437 Let's go to the audio tape. 300 00:24:34,606 --> 00:24:36,574 Right. Let's go to the audio tape. 301 00:24:38,010 --> 00:24:41,105 That's Melle Mel. What are you doing sitting next to Quincy Jones? 302 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,841 He ain't supposed to be there. He's a Negro. Quincy thinks highly of you. 303 00:24:45,050 --> 00:24:47,917 He made me feel like the star. Like the new kid on the block. 304 00:24:48,087 --> 00:24:50,784 Yo, Mr. Jones, I remember that jam you made: 305 00:24:52,691 --> 00:24:54,523 He said to me, "Look, you're young... 306 00:24:54,693 --> 00:24:56,923 -"You can do it. -...this is your world. 307 00:24:57,096 --> 00:24:58,086 I'm just like you." 308 00:24:58,263 --> 00:24:59,389 Go for yours." 309 00:24:59,565 --> 00:25:02,535 Yeah, boy. That was the jam. You know with: 310 00:25:05,804 --> 00:25:07,863 It made me start thinking highly of myself. 311 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,408 All that, back in the day, taught me a lot today. 312 00:25:12,111 --> 00:25:16,105 My name is Flavor Flav. I'm with the rap group Public Enemy. 313 00:25:16,281 --> 00:25:17,874 -Hi, I'm Kool Moe Dee. -I'm Ice-T. 314 00:25:18,050 --> 00:25:19,540 Hi, I'm Al B. Sure! 315 00:25:19,718 --> 00:25:23,382 The B-1-G D-A-D-D-Y K-A-N-E, or The Big Daddy Kane. 316 00:25:23,555 --> 00:25:26,616 You all wanted me to introduce myself, so you got it. 317 00:26:05,497 --> 00:26:09,866 I just wanted to pass on some words of wisdom from the Dude. 318 00:26:10,469 --> 00:26:12,460 It's very important. 319 00:26:12,671 --> 00:26:16,471 I want you to remember to be strong. Can you hear me? 320 00:26:16,642 --> 00:26:20,135 Listen to me now. Because we are going to get through these times. 321 00:26:20,446 --> 00:26:24,212 ! want you to be creative. !/ want you to stay beautiful. 322 00:26:24,383 --> 00:26:26,875 !/ want you to love and respect yourselves. 323 00:26:27,653 --> 00:26:29,644 I want you to take care of your minds. 324 00:26:29,822 --> 00:26:32,689 And I want you to take care of your bodies. 325 00:26:32,858 --> 00:26:34,849 If you don't take care of your own body... 326 00:26:35,027 --> 00:26:38,327 ...how you gonna take care of somebody else's body. I love you. 327 00:26:38,497 --> 00:26:41,057 ! suppose ! would sum up his philosophy this way. 328 00:26:41,233 --> 00:26:45,693 The only justification for looking down on anyone... 329 00:26:45,871 --> 00:26:48,841 ...is that you're going to stop and pick them up. 330 00:26:49,007 --> 00:26:51,942 You know what time it is. You just was a smart man. 331 00:26:52,111 --> 00:26:54,546 Got into your music. And I could do that too. 332 00:26:54,713 --> 00:26:56,579 Let's face it. That's what time it is. 333 00:26:56,748 --> 00:26:59,649 People would think that everything basically came easy to him. 334 00:26:59,818 --> 00:27:01,513 -Oh, Lord. -That's one person... 335 00:27:01,687 --> 00:27:05,089 ...that accumulated a lot of wealth and don't have his nose in the air... 336 00:27:05,257 --> 00:27:07,487 ...thinking he's too good for people. 337 00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:10,119 -When I was 11... -Melle, do one more? 338 00:27:10,295 --> 00:27:12,491 ...I was really ready to work. 339 00:27:12,664 --> 00:27:15,429 I got a job pressing clothes, steam pressing. 340 00:27:16,235 --> 00:27:19,933 And he'd say, "Go pick up the clothes." And I used to watch him press, you know. 341 00:27:20,105 --> 00:27:21,231 I said, "I can do that." 342 00:27:26,111 --> 00:27:29,513 ! used to shine shoes ! used to shine shoes for pimps. 343 00:27:30,883 --> 00:27:36,754 Take bleach with the toothbrush and go real easy around the side of the shoes. 344 00:27:36,922 --> 00:27:38,947 The pimps loved the way I used to do that. 345 00:27:42,094 --> 00:27:43,755 I'm impatient with my children... 346 00:27:43,929 --> 00:27:47,797 ...because they are still saying, "I'm not sure, I don't know what I wanna do." 347 00:27:47,966 --> 00:27:52,130 And that's not fair, because, you know, I knew so early. 348 00:27:52,304 --> 00:27:54,864 I was lucky, I guess. But, you know, in a way I was... 349 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,136 -...I was forced to... -He's been in the fast lane since day one. 350 00:27:59,311 --> 00:28:00,801 ...to think like that, I guess. 351 00:28:00,979 --> 00:28:03,311 Yo, Quincy, man, we in the house. 352 00:28:03,482 --> 00:28:08,147 Telling me, boy, if I record for you, boy, you're gonna make billions. 353 00:28:09,087 --> 00:28:11,886 Basically, all we wanted to do is just become good. 354 00:28:12,057 --> 00:28:15,254 It wasn't about becoming rich or famous or anything else like that. 355 00:28:15,427 --> 00:28:16,952 I don't know how you do that. 356 00:28:17,129 --> 00:28:19,791 We're talking about platinums on top of platinums... 357 00:28:19,965 --> 00:28:21,626 ...on top of platinums. 358 00:28:21,833 --> 00:28:23,824 To learn more and more and more and more. 359 00:28:24,036 --> 00:28:25,731 We didn't think what money was. 360 00:28:25,904 --> 00:28:27,463 We'll be crushing shit. 361 00:28:27,639 --> 00:28:30,438 One side says, "Oh, come on. I don't want to be watched." 362 00:28:30,609 --> 00:28:32,270 And the other side of you says: 363 00:28:32,511 --> 00:28:35,208 Oh, man, I could be working at Fotomat or something." 364 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:38,281 And then you say, "Well, let him. Let it-- Put the camera on me." 365 00:28:38,450 --> 00:28:41,215 It starts with what I am striving to become. 366 00:28:41,386 --> 00:28:44,287 I'm sort of like a new Jack in his life. 367 00:28:44,456 --> 00:28:48,791 Or a new Jack, pretty much, on the scene. 368 00:28:48,961 --> 00:28:51,487 -People helped me. -Quincy had called me over and said: 369 00:28:51,663 --> 00:28:57,033 "You have a lot of ideas. And you're gonna get them all done... 370 00:28:57,202 --> 00:28:58,829 ...but you need to pace yourself." 371 00:28:59,004 --> 00:29:01,996 A white dude named Robin Fields said: 372 00:29:02,241 --> 00:29:05,336 Run for Boys Club president and I'll be your manager." 373 00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:08,946 "I can show you how to do this, if you want to listen." 374 00:29:09,114 --> 00:29:11,014 "You gotta be joking. There's 2800 kids. 375 00:29:11,183 --> 00:29:13,049 And there are maybe 30 black people here. 376 00:29:13,218 --> 00:29:16,552 So why do you want to do that, you know?" He said, "Do it. Let's do it." 377 00:29:16,989 --> 00:29:18,252 And I won. 378 00:29:18,423 --> 00:29:21,757 I think at that moment in my life, I realized... 379 00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:25,693 ...that people could actually care about me... 380 00:29:25,864 --> 00:29:28,629 -...because he did. -The light inside, when you say-- 381 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:33,670 If just one person believes in you, the responsibility then isn't only to yourself. 382 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:35,170 It's to another person. 383 00:29:35,340 --> 00:29:38,071 My name is Benny Medina. I'm a vice-president of A&R. 384 00:29:38,343 --> 00:29:40,209 Outstanding. 385 00:29:40,379 --> 00:29:41,369 Why? 386 00:29:41,546 --> 00:29:46,882 Because what he did and what he does, it stands out. 387 00:29:51,623 --> 00:29:57,221 In Seattle, we were fortunate enough to run into a bunch of energetic kids. 388 00:29:57,396 --> 00:30:00,889 Seven to 10, we played the Seattle Tennis Club. 389 00:30:01,066 --> 00:30:04,092 -Tuxedos and black tie on. -Quincy Delight Jones... 390 00:30:04,269 --> 00:30:07,068 ...a little trumpet player, about 14 or 15. 391 00:30:07,239 --> 00:30:10,265 Early 1948, playing for Billie Holiday. 392 00:30:10,442 --> 00:30:13,070 To play with Billie Holiday was the dream of my life. 393 00:30:18,583 --> 00:30:21,450 10:30, we would go to the Get Down Club. 394 00:30:21,620 --> 00:30:23,349 He was there with a small orchestra. 395 00:30:23,522 --> 00:30:25,616 Bumps Blackwell, I think the band's name was. 396 00:30:25,791 --> 00:30:28,055 -Had strippers, everything. - It was a jumping town. 397 00:30:28,226 --> 00:30:31,355 Black and Tan Club, The Rockin' Chair, where we'd meet Ray Charles. 398 00:30:31,530 --> 00:30:34,158 A lot of clubs didn't open until 12 and 1:00 at night. 399 00:30:34,333 --> 00:30:36,358 Two in the morning, after the Get Down Club... 400 00:30:36,535 --> 00:30:39,835 ...we'd go to the Elks' Club, where we played for ourselves all be-bop. 401 00:30:40,005 --> 00:30:41,632 We played everything in Seattle. 402 00:30:41,807 --> 00:30:43,332 I remember Ray said one time-- 403 00:30:43,508 --> 00:30:46,136 I used to get real bored playing czardases and polkas. 404 00:30:46,311 --> 00:30:48,609 And he said, "Every music has its soul. 405 00:30:48,814 --> 00:30:50,441 And if you really are sincere... 406 00:30:50,615 --> 00:30:53,414 ...and surrender to it and explore it, it's all soulful." 407 00:30:53,585 --> 00:30:55,986 Quincy was a tremendous jazz trumpet player. 408 00:30:56,154 --> 00:30:58,851 <i>-He wasn't a good trumpet player. -A horrible trumpet player.</i> 409 00:30:59,024 --> 00:31:00,822 -He'll kill me, but it's true. -Quincy was-- 410 00:31:00,992 --> 00:31:02,756 Turned out a marvelous trumpet player. 411 00:31:02,928 --> 00:31:05,192 He played very well. I heard him play some solos. 412 00:31:05,364 --> 00:31:07,560 -He didn't do much soloing. -Played all right. 413 00:31:07,733 --> 00:31:09,292 He'd be a bad dude. 414 00:31:09,468 --> 00:31:11,266 "I see you got a trumpet in your hand. 415 00:31:11,436 --> 00:31:13,370 You play trumpet?" He says, "Sure I can." 416 00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:21,771 Every time I played the horn, I would not think about what I was playing... 417 00:31:21,947 --> 00:31:23,415 ...but imagine different colors. 418 00:31:23,582 --> 00:31:26,017 I'd hear other instruments playing some other piece. 419 00:31:26,184 --> 00:31:29,119 "You know, I'm learning to write music too." 420 00:31:29,287 --> 00:31:30,846 I said, "Oh, fantastic." 421 00:31:31,056 --> 00:31:33,150 "See if you guys would play my arrangements." 422 00:31:33,325 --> 00:31:36,454 I said, "Yeah, sure." So we had a chance to run it down. 423 00:31:36,628 --> 00:31:38,892 "How'd you like it?" I said, "It was fantastic." 424 00:31:39,064 --> 00:31:41,761 Actually, it was atrocious. 425 00:31:41,933 --> 00:31:45,301 Sit down and figure out exactly the function each instrument played. 426 00:31:45,470 --> 00:31:47,302 Where to put this, what to double up... 427 00:31:47,472 --> 00:31:50,032 ...who plays accompaniment, melody, who plays counter line... 428 00:31:50,208 --> 00:31:53,303 ...what the drums play. I asked Ray, "What does the brass section play? 429 00:31:53,478 --> 00:31:55,879 They're playing those hot licks and everything else.” 430 00:31:56,047 --> 00:31:59,278 And he hit a root position B-flat 7th. 431 00:31:59,451 --> 00:32:02,352 And on top of that, he put a C7. 432 00:32:02,521 --> 00:32:05,684 I mean eighth notes, and it was like: "Zoom." 433 00:32:05,857 --> 00:32:08,554 A hyper-space kind of a revelation just came into my mind. 434 00:32:08,727 --> 00:32:11,253 It opened up a whole door to, like, a whole wonder world. 435 00:32:31,483 --> 00:32:33,178 You know what I mean? 436 00:32:34,986 --> 00:32:38,354 I said, "You read?" He said, "Yeah, I can read all the parts." 437 00:32:41,226 --> 00:32:43,456 I'm Lionel Hampton, and I'm glad to be here. 438 00:32:43,829 --> 00:32:45,228 I was about 15 and I-- 439 00:32:45,397 --> 00:32:48,059 I said, "I'd like for you to go to Portland, Oregon.” 440 00:32:48,233 --> 00:32:51,168 He said, "Come on, kids, get on the bus and go with the band." 441 00:32:51,336 --> 00:32:53,304 -He said, "That's good." - I got on the bus. 442 00:32:53,472 --> 00:32:54,667 And he was all set to go. 443 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,401 I didn't wanna take a chance that he'd change his mind and I won't go home. 444 00:32:58,577 --> 00:33:00,568 Take a chance on them refusing to let me go. 445 00:33:00,745 --> 00:33:02,270 He had his little trumpet case. 446 00:33:02,447 --> 00:33:04,575 Finally, the band got on the bus. 447 00:33:04,749 --> 00:33:07,377 And Gladys Hampton said, "Who's that child back there?" 448 00:33:07,552 --> 00:33:09,782 -He's a teenager. -"Get that child off." 449 00:33:09,955 --> 00:33:11,616 -He's a kid. -"Go back to school." 450 00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:14,725 "Go back to school and study, then he can come join the band." 451 00:33:14,893 --> 00:33:17,692 In Quincy's normal fashion, you know, he took that in stride. 452 00:33:17,863 --> 00:33:18,989 I was really torn up. 453 00:33:19,164 --> 00:33:23,362 Stayed in school, got a scholarship to Seattle University. 454 00:33:23,535 --> 00:33:25,094 They were giving a scholarship. 455 00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:26,328 Hey, where you at, man? 456 00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:33,876 You write your own ticket in this life because if you don't... 457 00:33:34,045 --> 00:33:36,514 ...somebody definitely gonna write a ticket for you. 458 00:33:36,681 --> 00:33:40,345 And if they write the ticket for you, you ain't gonna ride first class. 459 00:33:40,519 --> 00:33:42,544 You're gonna be in the back of the back. 460 00:33:42,721 --> 00:33:46,248 You might be in the luggage compartment if you let somebody else write that. 461 00:33:46,424 --> 00:33:49,052 You definitely gotta get out and do your thing or else... 462 00:33:49,227 --> 00:33:52,527 ...you'll just fall victim to whatever the street dictates to you... 463 00:33:52,697 --> 00:33:55,291 ...instead of trying to dictate something for the street. 464 00:33:55,567 --> 00:33:56,830 Everybody meet Tevin? 465 00:33:57,002 --> 00:33:59,471 Tevin. Who's Tevin? 466 00:34:00,338 --> 00:34:02,397 Siedah Garret and Tevin Campbell. 467 00:34:10,215 --> 00:34:11,512 One, two. 468 00:34:13,985 --> 00:34:16,283 My name's Kenny, this is Reggie and Alice. 469 00:34:16,454 --> 00:34:18,081 I'm Tina. 470 00:34:32,170 --> 00:34:34,036 One, two, three. 471 00:35:37,802 --> 00:35:41,329 It wasn't like standing still. It was being neutral. 472 00:35:41,506 --> 00:35:43,099 Standing still was going backwards. 473 00:35:46,978 --> 00:35:51,415 I knew that I had to just go on and explore... 474 00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:54,416 ...and search and be curious... 475 00:35:54,886 --> 00:35:58,413 ...and try to find ways to grow, because standing still was impossible. 476 00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,899 71951, when I was at Berklee, a school in Boston 477 00:36:11,069 --> 00:36:13,766 ...Hamp says, "Have him come to New York, start with the band."” 478 00:36:13,938 --> 00:36:16,100 That was one of the happiest moments in my life. 479 00:36:20,345 --> 00:36:22,439 You talk about first big break, that was it. 480 00:36:24,082 --> 00:36:26,779 Birdland was the first place I went when I got to New York. 481 00:36:26,951 --> 00:36:29,443 The mecca of what modern jazz was all about. 482 00:36:36,461 --> 00:36:37,451 That would be hot. 483 00:36:37,629 --> 00:36:41,623 Morris Levy. I owned Birdland, and I opened it in '49. 484 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:49,230 Quincy asked when he joined my band, “Are we gonna play Birdland?" 485 00:36:49,407 --> 00:36:53,708 People would come from all over the world to Birdland. 486 00:36:53,878 --> 00:36:56,848 "Yeah, we'll play Birdland. Get your hat and coat. Let's go." 487 00:37:00,919 --> 00:37:03,388 The one, the only, Lionel Hampton. 488 00:37:03,555 --> 00:37:04,954 We were starring at Birdland. 489 00:37:05,123 --> 00:37:08,616 Charlie Parker used to come from next door and play with us. 490 00:37:09,728 --> 00:37:13,289 Charlie was known as "Bird." "Birdland" came from Charlie Parker. 491 00:37:16,668 --> 00:37:18,659 Charlie Parker created the sound. 492 00:37:24,209 --> 00:37:29,170 And the moment I heard him, I say, "That's how music should sound." 493 00:37:29,347 --> 00:37:32,681 Time for jazz, and the music of the world's greatest jazz musicians. 494 00:37:32,851 --> 00:37:36,116 Tonight, from the jazz corner of the world, Birdland, in New York City. 495 00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:37,145 -That's bad. -I'm telling you, man. 496 00:39:02,207 --> 00:39:06,303 I think what's hot is dealing with the dudes that really played Birdland, man. 497 00:39:06,477 --> 00:39:07,672 That turns me on, man. 498 00:39:08,213 --> 00:39:09,203 Hamp was a superstar. 499 00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:12,680 Sometimes he'd go upstairs, put part of the band in a cab... 500 00:39:12,851 --> 00:39:16,116 ...and go and play in another club, and the band's still playing... 501 00:39:16,287 --> 00:39:17,516 ...and come back, you know? 502 00:39:17,689 --> 00:39:19,123 He'd-- Nothing he would stop at. 503 00:39:19,290 --> 00:39:23,056 We had a special outfit at that time, it was summertime. 504 00:39:23,228 --> 00:39:25,026 We had knickerbockers. 505 00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:29,758 Kind of purple shorts, and socks and shoes. 506 00:39:29,934 --> 00:39:31,527 “Bermuda shorts, " you call them. 507 00:39:31,736 --> 00:39:33,795 It was very popular at that time. 508 00:39:33,972 --> 00:39:37,374 Purple coats and Tyrollean hats. 509 00:39:37,942 --> 00:39:40,240 -He was gonna make us wear this. - It was a great outfit. 510 00:39:40,411 --> 00:39:41,435 We were wearing it. 511 00:39:41,646 --> 00:39:42,670 Really embarrassing. 512 00:39:42,881 --> 00:39:46,647 When Hamp went upstairs, we followed behind him and standing there... 513 00:39:54,325 --> 00:39:56,851 My name is Miles Davis. 514 00:39:57,028 --> 00:39:59,656 Lying on a pole was Miles... 515 00:40:01,366 --> 00:40:04,996 ...Charlie Mingus, Thelonius Monk... 516 00:40:05,236 --> 00:40:09,605 <i>...Bud Powell, Bird. All these hip dudes. Our idols, you know?</i> 517 00:40:09,774 --> 00:40:12,334 Which you'd just be dying of shame... 518 00:40:12,510 --> 00:40:15,502 ...to let these guys see us wearing this kind of shit, you know? 519 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,342 So Clifford and I ran down the steps and started to act... 520 00:40:18,516 --> 00:40:21,713 ...like we're tying our shoes. We couldn't do it, we were humiliated. 521 00:40:21,886 --> 00:40:23,650 Hamp was beating all over, "Hey, pops." 522 00:40:23,821 --> 00:40:26,153 He's just beating all over the awning and everything. 523 00:40:26,324 --> 00:40:28,554 Shaking these junkies' foundations and all. 524 00:40:28,726 --> 00:40:30,319 They're saying, "What's that shit?" 525 00:40:30,495 --> 00:40:34,398 You talk about conflict of styles. 526 00:40:43,441 --> 00:40:46,809 Birks, all we do is get the pitch together. It's just a little bit sharp. 527 00:40:46,978 --> 00:40:49,913 My Rolling Stones and Beatles are Dizzy Gillespie and Miles Davies. 528 00:40:50,081 --> 00:40:51,913 I mean-- That's what they mean to me. 529 00:40:52,083 --> 00:40:56,987 I mean, that's my basic essence, since 12 years old, with those two musicians. 530 00:40:57,155 --> 00:41:02,116 And have them playing on this record on a tune... 531 00:41:02,593 --> 00:41:05,563 ...called "Birdland" and that's why I wanted them to play... 532 00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:09,394 ...because they are the personification of what Birdland was all about. 533 00:41:09,567 --> 00:41:12,195 And then just keep doing what you're doing. 534 00:41:12,570 --> 00:41:14,060 A bit sharp? 535 00:41:20,144 --> 00:41:24,377 Well, I first met Quincy when he was with Lionel Hampton. 536 00:41:24,549 --> 00:41:27,951 And I think Betty Carter told me about Quincy. 537 00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:30,613 She said, "There's this young trumpet player.” 538 00:41:32,590 --> 00:41:34,820 And he was arranging at that time. 539 00:41:34,993 --> 00:41:37,018 "Writes his ass off," that's what she said. 540 00:41:39,464 --> 00:41:42,866 So I met him, you know? I think we had some of the same girlfriends too. 541 00:41:43,034 --> 00:41:46,561 -The volume on this? -Yeah, it's okay. 542 00:41:46,738 --> 00:41:49,764 As long as you don't fuck up my hair. 543 00:41:50,575 --> 00:41:52,737 Quincy was a great inspiration to the band. 544 00:41:52,910 --> 00:41:54,901 New ideas were flowing in his mind. 545 00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:57,480 He kept the band happy and lively all the time. 546 00:42:01,219 --> 00:42:04,621 The 1989 Songwriters' Lifetime Achievement Award... 547 00:42:04,789 --> 00:42:06,086 ...goes to Quincy "Q" Jones. 548 00:42:06,958 --> 00:42:11,088 Yeah. Quincy Jones is one of the best friends a song ever had. 549 00:42:11,262 --> 00:42:15,529 As a composer, arranger, producer and conductor, Quincy has been... 550 00:42:15,700 --> 00:42:19,295 ...at the forefront of the music business for 40 years, and he is still... 551 00:42:19,604 --> 00:42:21,094 ...one of the hippest guys around. 552 00:42:21,272 --> 00:42:23,400 There's nothing like that stare. 553 00:42:23,608 --> 00:42:27,943 When it first hits you, you just freak. And you get angry and you get confused. 554 00:42:28,112 --> 00:42:30,171 You don't really understand what it's about. 555 00:42:30,348 --> 00:42:33,283 There's a lot of eyes, you know, glued to me. 556 00:42:33,451 --> 00:42:36,421 When those eyes hit you, I mean, we all know what that's about. 557 00:42:36,587 --> 00:42:38,851 When you're 2, you learned how to deal with that. 558 00:42:39,023 --> 00:42:41,253 But you have to tell a young black kid that. 559 00:42:41,426 --> 00:42:42,860 Because they grew up scared. 560 00:42:43,694 --> 00:42:44,889 All right. 561 00:42:45,897 --> 00:42:49,458 I knew I was black once. 562 00:42:51,702 --> 00:42:55,536 Whatever the cause was, to help blacks, Quincy was always involved. 563 00:42:55,706 --> 00:42:58,835 He sought me out and offered his support. 564 00:42:59,010 --> 00:43:01,172 -My name is Clarence Avant. -Reverend Jesse Jackson. 565 00:43:01,345 --> 00:43:03,279 We did not meet in the context of music. 566 00:43:03,448 --> 00:43:07,442 We met in the context of the riots when he came home to Chicago. 567 00:43:07,618 --> 00:43:10,349 He was always there with his time, energy or whatever. 568 00:43:10,521 --> 00:43:13,047 He did not understand why people would not give back. 569 00:43:16,761 --> 00:43:17,853 Great. Much better. 570 00:43:18,029 --> 00:43:22,057 In the beginning, I wanted an album that incorporated the whole family... 571 00:43:22,233 --> 00:43:24,725 ...of American black music, really, you know? 572 00:43:26,571 --> 00:43:31,509 From gospel, to jazz, and you know, everything that's part of my culture. 573 00:43:31,676 --> 00:43:34,668 White people, American white people... 574 00:43:34,846 --> 00:43:39,647 ...successful white people, aren't familiar with the black man's culture. 575 00:43:39,817 --> 00:43:45,221 Ain't nobody taking over our culture no more, you know what I'm saying? 576 00:43:45,389 --> 00:43:47,153 And to let everybody know... 577 00:43:47,325 --> 00:43:49,987 ...that we do have some type of respect for ourselves. 578 00:43:53,397 --> 00:43:55,422 I don't want to be white. 579 00:43:58,436 --> 00:44:00,370 Birks, wait a minute, man. 580 00:44:01,205 --> 00:44:03,264 I'm satisfied with what I am. 581 00:44:03,441 --> 00:44:06,968 I know about modern-day racism. 582 00:44:07,145 --> 00:44:10,240 I was in my hometown, in Cheraw, South Carolina. 583 00:44:10,414 --> 00:44:15,580 And I went into-- I went to two barbers, two black barbershops... 584 00:44:15,753 --> 00:44:18,814 ...and they were filled up. And then I said-- I told my cousin: 585 00:44:18,990 --> 00:44:21,982 "Okay, take me to the white barber." And he says, "What?" 586 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,458 I say, "Take me there. Let's see what happens." 587 00:44:24,629 --> 00:44:27,064 Waiting in line, you know? 588 00:44:27,231 --> 00:44:31,793 The lady behind the ticket counter points way back to me. 589 00:44:31,969 --> 00:44:36,372 I went in there and the guy sitting up-- There was nobody in the shop... 590 00:44:36,541 --> 00:44:40,171 ...and didn't even look up. And he say, "Yes?" 591 00:44:40,344 --> 00:44:45,339 "Excuse me, sir? This line is only for credit card holders." 592 00:44:45,516 --> 00:44:47,848 "I know that. I can read, ma'am." 593 00:44:48,019 --> 00:44:50,579 "I'd like a haircut, please." 594 00:44:52,056 --> 00:44:55,651 He said, "Sorry, we don't cut colored hair." 595 00:44:56,394 --> 00:44:58,362 This was just three years ago. 596 00:44:58,529 --> 00:45:02,227 Look at this. We can't even walk out here. Why we can't walk out here? 597 00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:05,097 -We was born here in this country. -We built this. 598 00:45:05,269 --> 00:45:06,566 We built this. 599 00:45:06,737 --> 00:45:09,104 Our ancestors built this and we can't walk here? 600 00:45:09,273 --> 00:45:10,707 We can walk anywhere we want. 601 00:45:10,875 --> 00:45:13,572 We should be able to walk anywhere in this world we please. 602 00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:21,343 We talked about it all the time. 603 00:45:21,519 --> 00:45:24,284 And we said we have to make it better through our music. 604 00:45:34,966 --> 00:45:38,300 Melody stays constant and rhythm always changes. 605 00:45:42,173 --> 00:45:44,938 Come on. Come on, come on. Come on here. 606 00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:48,306 Come on down. Come on down. 607 00:45:49,547 --> 00:45:51,982 The times are always contained in the rhythm. 608 00:46:23,848 --> 00:46:29,514 Hamp would do 70 one-nighters in just the Carolinas. 609 00:46:29,687 --> 00:46:31,917 Seventy straight one-nighters in the Carolinas. 610 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,624 I don't wanna hear those kind of questions today. 611 00:46:41,065 --> 00:46:45,901 We'd go through little towns and you knew you were in, like, enemy territory. 612 00:46:46,237 --> 00:46:48,001 One town, I woke up, you know... 613 00:46:48,172 --> 00:46:50,266 ...and on the steeple of the church... 614 00:46:50,441 --> 00:46:54,036 ...and they had an effigy of a black dummy with a rope around his neck. 615 00:46:54,879 --> 00:46:59,783 Everybody feels like they want to get into something that starts a little confusion. 616 00:46:59,950 --> 00:47:04,911 It's something I don't think any of us really want to go back to just talk about. 617 00:47:05,356 --> 00:47:09,987 It's deep. Very, very deep. 618 00:47:11,962 --> 00:47:14,897 There's an attitude that you could just smell, almost. 619 00:47:15,066 --> 00:47:16,761 On your feet, boy. 620 00:47:16,934 --> 00:47:19,960 The hate stares and everything else. It just had a smell to it. 621 00:47:20,137 --> 00:47:22,071 I mean now. 622 00:47:30,214 --> 00:47:34,708 And I remember in the song, we had the first line said: 623 00:47:34,885 --> 00:47:39,379 "In the heat of the night, I feel a cold sweat creeping across my brow." 624 00:47:39,557 --> 00:47:44,222 And I don't know. It just seemed to set up the feeling of what that anxiety... 625 00:47:44,395 --> 00:47:46,989 ...and everything was all about. 626 00:47:47,164 --> 00:47:50,498 As far as racism from the past... 627 00:47:50,735 --> 00:47:52,396 ...I mean, I was not there. 628 00:47:52,603 --> 00:47:56,972 All I know is what I saw, you know, on the movies... 629 00:47:57,141 --> 00:48:01,510 ...and read in black history books. 630 00:48:02,213 --> 00:48:04,807 I think we'll start off with him. 631 00:48:04,982 --> 00:48:08,418 It was horrible. You couldn't get nothing to eat, go in the restaurant. 632 00:48:08,586 --> 00:48:11,419 We used to play places where we couldn't eat in the places. 633 00:48:11,589 --> 00:48:13,557 --Unless you went around to the kitchen. 634 00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:15,886 I had too much pride to go and I just starved. 635 00:48:16,060 --> 00:48:18,620 We had a white driver. That's the only way we could eat. 636 00:48:18,796 --> 00:48:20,389 It would get on your nerves... 637 00:48:22,833 --> 00:48:24,927 ...to the point where there would be violence. 638 00:48:25,503 --> 00:48:29,235 Any little thing is liable to take your-- 639 00:48:29,407 --> 00:48:31,239 Your life. 640 00:48:33,911 --> 00:48:35,037 Small thing. 641 00:48:43,721 --> 00:48:47,180 A white milk-truck driver came behind us and was honking and everything. 642 00:48:47,358 --> 00:48:49,349 There was no driver, he's getting food. 643 00:48:49,527 --> 00:48:50,926 This dude comes up and says: 644 00:48:51,095 --> 00:48:54,156 "What are you doing on this midway after the lights are out?" 645 00:48:54,331 --> 00:48:57,266 So I say, "I'm waiting for the drummer to pack his drums." 646 00:48:57,435 --> 00:48:59,529 He said, "You with this show?" I said, "Yeah." 647 00:48:59,703 --> 00:49:02,729 He runs, jumps on the bus and shouts his ignorant stuff: 648 00:49:02,907 --> 00:49:05,899 "How come the coons don't do this," and, "Move the damn bus." 649 00:49:06,076 --> 00:49:09,569 "What did you say?" I said, "You asked and I answered it, 'Yeah.'" 650 00:49:09,747 --> 00:49:11,977 And then he whips the magic word on me. 651 00:49:12,149 --> 00:49:15,915 He says, "Nigger, do you realize you said, 'Yes' to a white man?" 652 00:49:16,287 --> 00:49:20,121 And man, he was looking at about 19 evil brothers, man. 653 00:49:20,291 --> 00:49:24,023 We hadn't eaten in about 12 hours and he was sorry he ever stepped on that bus. 654 00:49:24,195 --> 00:49:27,722 The last thing I remember was seeing a blackjack coming around... 655 00:49:27,898 --> 00:49:32,131 ...and it was about this big piece of lead and leather. 656 00:49:32,303 --> 00:49:34,829 And hit me right here in the temple. 657 00:49:35,005 --> 00:49:38,964 And at the time we got through wasting his butt, he came out-- 658 00:49:39,143 --> 00:49:40,907 The driver came and put down the food. 659 00:49:41,078 --> 00:49:43,103 We dropped him off the side and kept on going. 660 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:44,748 It was just too much to take. 661 00:49:56,727 --> 00:49:59,162 What does that--? what does that mean? 662 00:49:59,330 --> 00:50:00,729 -What does that mean? -Wise up. 663 00:50:00,898 --> 00:50:03,458 You wanna use the gun, we'll use the gun. 664 00:50:03,634 --> 00:50:05,864 -You understand? -How would you like to get shot? 665 00:50:06,036 --> 00:50:08,437 -How would you like it? -No better than you would. 666 00:50:08,606 --> 00:50:12,668 <i>But when you're dealing with an enemy who doesn't know what non-violence is...</i> 667 00:50:12,843 --> 00:50:15,039 ...as far as I'm concerned, you're wasting time. 668 00:50:15,613 --> 00:50:18,947 I'm still convinced that non-violence is the most potent weapon. 669 00:50:19,116 --> 00:50:23,144 We would like it to move away from the situation of conflict. 670 00:50:23,954 --> 00:50:29,324 We must never surrender. America will get better and better. 671 00:50:29,493 --> 00:50:33,521 Keep hope alive. Keep hope alive. 672 00:51:23,814 --> 00:51:26,511 We're free at last with this faith. 673 00:51:40,197 --> 00:51:42,029 Let's not get into violence, you know? 674 00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:44,133 It's not about that. 675 00:51:46,870 --> 00:51:49,237 It's about recycling energy. 676 00:51:49,406 --> 00:51:51,670 Taking that powerful energy inside of you. 677 00:51:51,842 --> 00:51:56,404 And putting it into something real positive or creative or something with love. 678 00:51:56,580 --> 00:51:59,015 And it's a bitch to try to convert hate to love. 679 00:51:59,183 --> 00:52:01,550 And it's a tough trick. But if you do it... 680 00:52:01,819 --> 00:52:03,913 ...it's the only salvation. 681 00:52:24,108 --> 00:52:26,270 The best thing that happened was traveling. 682 00:52:26,443 --> 00:52:30,903 I first arrived in Paris 37 years ago on a train with Lionel Hampton's band. 683 00:52:31,081 --> 00:52:35,040 I was 19 years old, traveling through Europe for the first time. 684 00:52:43,560 --> 00:52:47,019 The one thing Europe helped me to do was get out of the situation... 685 00:52:47,197 --> 00:52:50,064 ...where in America, the main conflict is black and white. 686 00:52:50,234 --> 00:52:53,602 Your problems are right on your ass all the time. You have to be careful. 687 00:52:53,771 --> 00:52:55,705 Keep your antenna up to protect yourself. 688 00:52:55,873 --> 00:52:58,342 You don't have to watch your back in France. 689 00:52:58,509 --> 00:53:01,843 Even now, you know, when a black person walks in a club... 690 00:53:02,012 --> 00:53:04,504 ...the first thing is find out how to get out of it. 691 00:53:04,682 --> 00:53:08,050 I left the other musicians in the band and I walked through the train... 692 00:53:08,218 --> 00:53:10,653 ...to the caboose as we pulled into the station. 693 00:53:10,821 --> 00:53:14,883 I could hardly wait to get my first look at Paris. 694 00:53:20,330 --> 00:53:23,197 We were these kids going over there with this big, popular band. 695 00:53:23,367 --> 00:53:25,062 It was like a big candy store. 696 00:53:25,235 --> 00:53:26,862 Every night, we'd go to work. 697 00:53:27,037 --> 00:53:30,632 My name is Michel Legrand and I'm a composer. 698 00:53:30,808 --> 00:53:33,937 I don't think that the French audience understood jazz... 699 00:53:34,111 --> 00:53:35,840 ...better than American audience, no. 700 00:53:36,013 --> 00:53:37,913 But they were maybe... 701 00:53:38,415 --> 00:53:39,576 ...more prepared for it. 702 00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:41,912 Even if they didn't understand it exactly. 703 00:53:42,086 --> 00:53:45,784 I think right away the French, the British and the Scandinavians... 704 00:53:45,956 --> 00:53:50,553 ...most Europeans understood that it was one of the true, original art forms... 705 00:53:50,728 --> 00:53:52,196 ...ever to come from America. 706 00:53:52,362 --> 00:53:56,526 Yeah, man, over in Europe, hell, yeah, people analyze rap. 707 00:53:56,700 --> 00:53:58,998 Now, I mean, they analyze it. They take-- 708 00:53:59,169 --> 00:54:03,606 They take rap, right, so like, all right, they take our lyrics sheet... 709 00:54:03,774 --> 00:54:07,574 ...and they'll read it word for word and they'll analyze it. 710 00:54:07,745 --> 00:54:11,545 And they'll understand exactly what every line we said meant. 711 00:54:11,715 --> 00:54:16,744 I became deeply impressed by the French's knowledge of African-American music... 712 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:18,911 ...and the love for this art form. 713 00:54:19,089 --> 00:54:20,750 When in France, we play different. 714 00:54:20,924 --> 00:54:24,360 Four years later, I returned as a student of Nadia Boulanger... 715 00:54:24,528 --> 00:54:26,997 <i>You begun as a strictly jazz musician, then?</i> 716 00:54:27,164 --> 00:54:32,068 No, that's not true. I played gospel, I played rhythm and blues and jazz all my life. 717 00:54:32,236 --> 00:54:35,069 ! started 14 years old playing rhythm and blues. 718 00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,301 He was of us, you know? The music that we played. 719 00:54:42,146 --> 00:54:45,582 We went on the State Department tour with Dizzy Gillespie in 1956. 720 00:54:45,749 --> 00:54:49,982 We just met with the chief of the United States Information Service. 721 00:54:50,154 --> 00:54:53,215 Adam Clayton Powell told me to come to the House Office Building. 722 00:54:53,390 --> 00:54:54,380 He wanted to see me. 723 00:54:54,558 --> 00:54:58,825 One of the people who we're planning to use, my friend Dizzy Gillespie... 724 00:54:58,996 --> 00:55:01,966 ...who's the father of modern jazz. 725 00:55:02,132 --> 00:55:04,499 I got in touch with Quincy. 726 00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:08,036 He organized the whole thing for me. 727 00:55:08,205 --> 00:55:11,800 That was absolute heaven to me because big band had always been my thing. 728 00:55:11,975 --> 00:55:13,943 Send these artists over... 729 00:55:14,111 --> 00:55:17,308 ...where they can reach the masses of the people of Asia and Africa. 730 00:55:17,481 --> 00:55:20,883 Quincy had picked the cream of young... 731 00:55:21,151 --> 00:55:23,449 ...be-bop musicians. 732 00:55:23,620 --> 00:55:25,247 I don't think we'll have trouble... 733 00:55:25,422 --> 00:55:29,290 ...converting the people over to our style of music. 734 00:55:32,362 --> 00:55:34,592 The Cypriots stoned the United States Embassy. 735 00:55:34,765 --> 00:55:36,426 --Becomes more widespread on Cyprus. 736 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,161 Young people of high school age take an increasing part in the violence. 737 00:55:40,337 --> 00:55:41,736 We were working in Lebanon. 738 00:55:41,905 --> 00:55:45,899 So the State Department rushed us over to play in Athens, Greece... 739 00:55:46,076 --> 00:55:47,475 ...to settle things down. 740 00:55:47,644 --> 00:55:51,581 The weapon that we will use is the cool one. 741 00:55:51,748 --> 00:55:53,682 We played the concert. 742 00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:59,422 At the end of the concert, all of these same students that stoned the embassy... 743 00:55:59,590 --> 00:56:03,049 ...rushed to the stage and grabbed Dizzy and we thought we were in trouble. 744 00:56:03,227 --> 00:56:06,094 They put him on their shoulders and they were cheering him. 745 00:56:09,166 --> 00:56:12,033 Music is a strange animal, because it's something-- 746 00:56:12,202 --> 00:56:17,436 No matter what the political context is, you can't stop music from coming in. 747 00:56:17,608 --> 00:56:21,044 On behalf of Rome, Georgia, we are part of the world. 748 00:56:23,213 --> 00:56:25,011 "We are the world, we are the children.” 749 00:56:25,182 --> 00:56:28,482 "We Are the World," for the African famine relief. 750 00:56:28,652 --> 00:56:31,519 Worldwide, I think that there's one fraternity of music. 751 00:56:31,688 --> 00:56:35,181 -We are part of the world. -We are the world. That's right. 752 00:56:35,359 --> 00:56:37,123 And everybody's joined in that family. 753 00:56:37,294 --> 00:56:39,592 And that's-- I'm glad to be part of that family. 754 00:56:41,598 --> 00:56:44,465 Join us right now with the rest of the world... 755 00:56:44,635 --> 00:56:47,798 ...and think about world peace and world unity. 756 00:56:54,611 --> 00:56:58,343 For me, France evokes many of the warmest... 757 00:56:58,515 --> 00:57:00,882 ...most vivid memories of my entire life. 758 00:57:01,051 --> 00:57:04,214 I think I was really lucky to get around. 759 00:57:04,388 --> 00:57:07,119 That saved me as a young person. 760 00:57:07,291 --> 00:57:10,488 I was lucky to get around to see how other people do it. 761 00:57:10,661 --> 00:57:14,222 You've all made me feel as much at home here as I do in my native country. 762 00:57:14,398 --> 00:57:17,766 Coming from Chicago to Bremerton, to Seattle... 763 00:57:17,935 --> 00:57:22,702 ...to tour all over the United States and Canada with Lionel Hampton's band... 764 00:57:22,873 --> 00:57:23,863 ...and to Europe. 765 00:57:24,041 --> 00:57:27,272 I am deeply honored to accept this love letter from France... 766 00:57:27,444 --> 00:57:29,208 ...the insignia of the order... 767 00:57:29,379 --> 00:57:30,869 ...of the Legion d'Honneur. 768 00:57:31,048 --> 00:57:34,211 And I thank you and love each and every one of you for joining me... 769 00:57:34,384 --> 00:57:36,648 ...for this very, very meaningful occasion. 770 00:57:36,820 --> 00:57:39,152 I'm a very happy man today. 771 00:57:42,693 --> 00:57:47,153 <i>In a way, Europe helped me to define myself as a young musician...</i> 772 00:57:47,331 --> 00:57:48,765 ...and my place in the world. 773 00:57:48,932 --> 00:57:53,563 And somehow, you were able to have a perspective of your past... 774 00:57:53,737 --> 00:57:55,535 ...your present and your future. 775 00:57:55,706 --> 00:57:56,935 My father had a big band... 776 00:57:58,275 --> 00:58:00,642 ...and he took this big band to Europe. 777 00:58:05,449 --> 00:58:10,319 When he got the chance to be music director for Harold Arlen's show, Free and Easy... 778 00:58:10,487 --> 00:58:12,649 ...I think it must have been 71959. 779 00:58:12,823 --> 00:58:15,793 Yeah. He asked me to be his assistant. 780 00:58:15,959 --> 00:58:17,893 I said, "Fantastic. I'd love that." 781 00:58:19,229 --> 00:58:20,890 It was a big, big family... 782 00:58:21,064 --> 00:58:24,295 ...the whole jazz big-band thing was about a family. 783 00:58:24,468 --> 00:58:27,165 We really put the band together. He had a fantastic band. 784 00:58:27,337 --> 00:58:29,931 I'm Chan Parker I was married to Phil Woods. 785 00:58:30,107 --> 00:58:32,599 And Phil was with Quincy's band. 786 00:58:32,776 --> 00:58:35,211 His wife was with us on tour... 787 00:58:35,379 --> 00:58:36,972 ...and Jolie, his daughter. 788 00:58:37,147 --> 00:58:38,945 Families of everybody in the band came. 789 00:58:39,116 --> 00:58:41,175 Quincy just carried us all over Europe. 790 00:58:41,351 --> 00:58:42,443 We were a family. 791 00:58:42,619 --> 00:58:45,054 The calmness and professionalism... 792 00:58:45,222 --> 00:58:48,783 ...that he possessed-- Just standing there, looking at this kid, you know? 793 00:58:48,959 --> 00:58:50,449 He had all this in those days. 794 00:58:50,627 --> 00:58:53,619 I had ludicrous optimism. "Oh, we're gonna make it, man. 795 00:58:53,797 --> 00:58:56,391 This is gonna work. We got a great band, it's gonna work." 796 00:58:56,566 --> 00:58:58,432 And I never gave up that hope. 797 00:58:58,602 --> 00:59:02,300 Then there were some problems, I don't remember what happened, but... 798 00:59:02,472 --> 00:59:05,931 I got in trouble with my band in 1959. 799 00:59:09,046 --> 00:59:12,175 I don't think it was a question of the band. The timing was wrong... 800 00:59:12,349 --> 00:59:16,445 ...the places he was going were not the right places, and so on. 801 00:59:18,155 --> 00:59:21,022 --Forty-one. Two, three, four... 802 00:59:21,191 --> 00:59:24,252 -Had no management, agents, nothing. -He did everything he could... 803 00:59:24,428 --> 00:59:27,295 -...to try and make the band work. - It must have been rough. 804 00:59:27,464 --> 00:59:31,196 It was a nightmare, a nightmare. Just to survive from day to day. 805 00:59:32,135 --> 00:59:34,763 There were money problems, they were stuck over there. 806 00:59:34,938 --> 00:59:37,964 ! didn't realize you got to understand the business side. 807 00:59:38,141 --> 00:59:39,609 I never wanted to hear that. 808 00:59:39,776 --> 00:59:42,905 ! had a payroll to come up with every week, no matter what happened. 809 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:44,548 Yeah, I know he made sacrifices. 810 00:59:44,714 --> 00:59:47,911 I had to sell my publishing company and I lost a lot of money. 811 00:59:49,286 --> 00:59:52,347 He actually gave the publishing company away. 812 00:59:52,522 --> 00:59:53,819 The tour was a bust. 813 00:59:53,990 --> 00:59:56,425 I'm telling you, my head was ready to explode. 814 00:59:56,593 --> 00:59:59,153 When he was in Finland, I was very concerned. 815 00:59:59,329 --> 01:00:01,798 There was a man called Irving Green at Mercury Records. 816 01:00:01,965 --> 01:00:04,457 I think there were many thoughts in his mind... 817 01:00:04,634 --> 01:00:06,898 ...that this was the end of the world for him. 818 01:00:07,070 --> 01:00:09,402 -He helped my father. -It was too much pressure. 819 01:00:09,573 --> 01:00:11,837 <i>- I couldn't go on. -I'd talk to him maybe...</i> 820 01:00:12,008 --> 01:00:16,343 ...two, three times a week, to try and keep him with some hope left. 821 01:00:16,513 --> 01:00:18,743 That's the closest I ever came in my life to suicide. 822 01:00:19,783 --> 01:00:21,615 I think I sent enough money for them... 823 01:00:21,785 --> 01:00:23,446 ...to eat and come home. 824 01:00:23,620 --> 01:00:27,784 I had to get them home, even if it meant that I'd be in debt for seven years. 825 01:00:27,958 --> 01:00:29,426 He came back... 826 01:00:29,593 --> 01:00:32,028 ...and went to work in our New York office. 827 01:00:32,195 --> 01:00:34,562 They said, "There's a great home for you here." 828 01:00:34,731 --> 01:00:37,701 -In charge of artists and repertoire. -Which was different... 829 01:00:37,868 --> 01:00:42,533 ...because it was a day job and he had to actually go to work. 830 01:00:45,876 --> 01:00:48,436 I was behind that desk every day. Awful. 831 01:00:48,612 --> 01:00:52,378 You had to be in there at 9:00 and you had to wear these Italian suits. 832 01:00:52,549 --> 01:00:55,814 Oh, you had to fill out expense reports and all that kind of stuff... 833 01:00:55,986 --> 01:00:58,785 ...that really makes my skin crawl. 834 01:00:58,955 --> 01:01:03,222 From the day I met Quincy, I knew that you could put it in his hand... 835 01:01:03,393 --> 01:01:06,488 ...and it would come out the way you wanted it to come out. 836 01:01:06,663 --> 01:01:09,360 It doesn't mean everything was a hit. 837 01:01:12,936 --> 01:01:18,807 In 1954, Quincy was freelancing as a writer doing the charts... 838 01:01:18,975 --> 01:01:21,307 ...and also as a producer. 839 01:01:21,912 --> 01:01:24,381 We were recording Dinah Washington. 840 01:01:24,848 --> 01:01:28,011 And I remember assigning Dinah to Quincy. 841 01:01:28,185 --> 01:01:30,552 She was crazy about Quincy's arrangements. 842 01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,451 She insisted that I do the arrangements in 1954. 843 01:01:33,623 --> 01:01:37,287 One, two. One, two... 844 01:01:42,098 --> 01:01:45,932 Dinah Washington was so beautiful to me. She started me out in the record business. 845 01:01:46,102 --> 01:01:47,661 The word kind of gotten around. 846 01:01:47,837 --> 01:01:52,104 He wasn't very famous in the sort of normal world. 847 01:01:52,275 --> 01:01:53,299 I'm Herbie Hancock. 848 01:01:53,476 --> 01:01:55,774 Baste told me about Quincy before I met him. 849 01:01:55,946 --> 01:01:57,937 Sarah would talk about him before I met him. 850 01:01:58,114 --> 01:02:00,606 I asked him if they knew of an arranger... 851 01:02:00,784 --> 01:02:02,775 I'm Harry Lookofsky, I'm a violinist. 852 01:02:02,953 --> 01:02:04,421 "Quincy Jones is over here." 853 01:02:04,588 --> 01:02:07,080 First thing that popped out was the name Quincy Jones. 854 01:02:07,257 --> 01:02:09,282 And I said, "Quincy who?" 855 01:02:09,459 --> 01:02:12,360 It was more of an underground kind of little secret. 856 01:02:12,529 --> 01:02:14,122 -Can we turn the lights off? -Yeah. 857 01:02:14,297 --> 01:02:17,164 That would be nice. It's so much nicer with the lights off. 858 01:02:17,334 --> 01:02:19,666 Oh, you need it to be able to read your questions. 859 01:02:19,836 --> 01:02:21,736 I'm sorry. 860 01:02:22,172 --> 01:02:24,504 - I got a flashlight. -Thank you. 861 01:02:24,674 --> 01:02:25,800 You're welcome. 862 01:02:25,976 --> 01:02:27,876 And you know how shy he is. He said: 863 01:02:28,044 --> 01:02:30,672 <i>"I'm gonna do an album, can you recommend any producers?”</i> 864 01:02:30,847 --> 01:02:32,611 And about three or four months later. 865 01:02:32,782 --> 01:02:34,978 He said, "Gee, why don't you let me do it?" 866 01:02:35,151 --> 01:02:36,812 I said, "Wow, that's a great idea." 867 01:02:40,857 --> 01:02:43,349 My instrument is playing all of these things. 868 01:02:43,526 --> 01:02:47,588 Playing the singers, playing the songs, playing the musicians. 869 01:02:47,764 --> 01:02:51,758 And everything else and seeing that big vision. It's like a huge canvas and tapestry. 870 01:02:51,935 --> 01:02:54,836 Quincy understood the ingredients that were necessary. 871 01:02:58,074 --> 01:02:59,701 My name is Francis Albert Sinatra. 872 01:02:59,876 --> 01:03:02,573 Quincy constantly ran side by side with me... 873 01:03:02,746 --> 01:03:04,043 ...through an orchestration. 874 01:03:08,184 --> 01:03:09,345 If you said, "Quincy... 875 01:03:09,519 --> 01:03:12,420 ...I think the second eight measures, they don't seem to fit... 876 01:03:12,589 --> 01:03:15,354 ...with the mood of the rest of the thing."” 877 01:03:16,493 --> 01:03:20,054 Well, he'd go 10 feet away and fix it. 878 01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:23,029 It always amazed me that a man could do that. 879 01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:25,759 To change all of those notes that he had written before. 880 01:03:25,935 --> 01:03:28,870 His arrangements accompanied the singer. 881 01:03:34,711 --> 01:03:39,672 Quincy had a key to the Baste band more than any other orchestrator. 882 01:03:41,918 --> 01:03:44,148 My baby... 883 01:03:44,321 --> 01:03:48,349 ...my uncle, my mentor, my father, my brother, my friend... 884 01:03:48,525 --> 01:03:49,754 ...was Count Baste. 885 01:03:49,926 --> 01:03:54,989 I met Baste when I was 13 years old at the Palomar Theater in Seattle... 886 01:03:55,165 --> 01:03:59,227 ...and our friendship lasted the rest of his life. 887 01:03:59,736 --> 01:04:02,171 When another guy came in and had to write... 888 01:04:02,339 --> 01:04:05,570 ...it was Basie's band, but it didn't sound like Basie's band. 889 01:04:05,909 --> 01:04:08,071 See, some guys write the same way for everybody. 890 01:04:09,312 --> 01:04:12,577 You've got to personalize what you're doing. 891 01:04:13,283 --> 01:04:16,253 -That's easy, for you to be you. -Sure. 892 01:04:16,419 --> 01:04:18,148 When you first hear the song... 893 01:04:18,321 --> 01:04:21,780 ...you imagine a certain sound with it from a certain artist. 894 01:04:21,958 --> 01:04:23,756 I'd like to just let everybody know... 895 01:04:23,927 --> 01:04:26,089 ...the names down here are for solos. 896 01:04:26,262 --> 01:04:27,252 Who should sing what. 897 01:04:27,430 --> 01:04:30,297 That's where I didn't know how that was gonna work. 898 01:04:31,601 --> 01:04:35,765 When the elements come together, you have to make a lot of decisions as a producer. 899 01:04:40,076 --> 01:04:41,635 You have to get the right tempo... 900 01:04:41,811 --> 01:04:44,678 ...the right key that's the most comfortable with the singer. 901 01:04:47,784 --> 01:04:51,311 The right musicians that will add the right feeling to it... 902 01:04:52,155 --> 01:04:53,953 ...and when you get it really right... 903 01:04:54,858 --> 01:04:56,792 ...that's when the goose bumps come. 904 01:05:07,937 --> 01:05:10,872 A producer is an organizer. 905 01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:12,565 And Quincy's a great organizer. 906 01:05:18,848 --> 01:05:22,580 Quincy Jones had seen me on television here... 907 01:05:22,752 --> 01:05:25,221 ...as a local talk show host. I'm Oprah Winfrey. 908 01:05:25,388 --> 01:05:27,789 One of his real strengths is he... 909 01:05:27,957 --> 01:05:30,449 ...has a way of just casting people... 910 01:05:32,028 --> 01:05:35,658 ...to all come together to do something real good. 911 01:05:35,832 --> 01:05:37,698 We talked about The Color Purple... 912 01:05:37,867 --> 01:05:40,029 ...and we talked about how he had seen me... 913 01:05:40,203 --> 01:05:42,535 ...how he thought that ! would make a good Sofia. 914 01:05:42,705 --> 01:05:44,366 He just felt that I would. 915 01:05:44,541 --> 01:05:47,442 And asked me if I'd done any acting or anything. 916 01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:49,510 And I had to finally tell him the truth. 917 01:05:51,514 --> 01:05:54,506 <i>I don't think I'd have gotten through it had he not been there...</i> 918 01:05:54,684 --> 01:05:58,587 ...because it was undoubtedly the most intimidating experience I've ever had. 919 01:05:58,755 --> 01:06:00,223 You told Harpo to beat me. 920 01:06:00,957 --> 01:06:03,585 When I am around him... 921 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,424 ...or can talk to him, I feel like I can do or be anything. 922 01:06:07,597 --> 01:06:09,827 Quincy has that aura. 923 01:06:09,999 --> 01:06:11,694 My name is Barbra Streisand. 924 01:06:11,868 --> 01:06:14,599 He'd say to you, "Oh, you can do such and such a thing." 925 01:06:14,771 --> 01:06:17,331 You want to please him, you want to impress him. 926 01:06:17,507 --> 01:06:19,908 He said, "Come on. Pull out those rock songs."” 927 01:06:20,076 --> 01:06:22,170 I had something, but I didn't wanna play it. 928 01:06:22,345 --> 01:06:25,645 You have to communicate to the artist what attitude you're looking for. 929 01:06:25,815 --> 01:06:27,305 Your earphones okay? 930 01:06:27,484 --> 01:06:29,213 -Your earphones okay? - Pardon? 931 01:06:29,385 --> 01:06:31,581 - I said, "Are your earphones okay?" -Yeah, fine. 932 01:06:32,822 --> 01:06:36,156 In order to get the proper inflection, and the real flavor he wanted... 933 01:06:36,326 --> 01:06:39,421 ...which is probably what he had in mind when he wrote this line. 934 01:06:39,596 --> 01:06:42,588 He said, "No, fellas. Come on, like, 'Dirty motherfucker.'" 935 01:06:44,234 --> 01:06:46,100 They say, "That's what you're talking." 936 01:06:46,269 --> 01:06:48,169 Nobody ever explained it like that before. 937 01:06:49,739 --> 01:06:51,673 He forced me to drive to my house... 938 01:06:51,841 --> 01:06:54,742 ...and he forced me to get the engineer in to do this song. 939 01:06:54,911 --> 01:06:57,039 And I made him wait in the other room. 940 01:06:57,213 --> 01:07:00,877 ! was really embarrassed. ! was in there singing my heart out. 941 01:07:01,050 --> 01:07:03,246 Finally, I was done. He came in, and I played it. 942 01:07:03,419 --> 01:07:04,648 He just loved it. 943 01:07:04,821 --> 01:07:08,314 Hugged me and said, "This is the song we're looking for.” It was "Beat It." 944 01:07:13,963 --> 01:07:18,560 The best results I've had have happened when we surrendered to each other. 945 01:07:18,735 --> 01:07:21,761 They say, "This could feel better." "Great, you got it," you know. 946 01:07:21,938 --> 01:07:24,873 I'd say "I'd like to hear you try this. You've never tried it." 947 01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:27,305 They say, "Okay, I'll try it." 948 01:07:27,477 --> 01:07:30,037 That's an incredible thing, when you... 949 01:07:30,213 --> 01:07:31,908 ...can trust someone. 950 01:07:32,081 --> 01:07:35,642 You can trust their musicality, you can trust their artistic judgment. 951 01:07:36,452 --> 01:07:37,647 Open that sucker up. 952 01:07:37,820 --> 01:07:39,515 You can just play, you can be free. 953 01:07:48,998 --> 01:07:50,625 It was really fun. 954 01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,393 Inspiring fun. 955 01:07:52,569 --> 01:07:54,367 He has made different artists... 956 01:07:54,537 --> 01:07:56,130 ...come out with what they do. 957 01:07:56,873 --> 01:08:00,036 To make that person sound... 958 01:08:00,209 --> 01:08:02,974 ...better than they've ever sound before. 959 01:08:06,683 --> 01:08:08,674 And they can feel it. 960 01:08:09,919 --> 01:08:12,889 That's great. She thought... 961 01:08:13,056 --> 01:08:17,618 If he didn't have all the music in his body, he wouldn't come over like that... 962 01:08:17,860 --> 01:08:19,350 ...to another person. 963 01:08:28,471 --> 01:08:29,961 Okay, let's go. 964 01:08:30,139 --> 01:08:33,871 All of these artists had confidence in whatever he thought should be done. 965 01:08:34,043 --> 01:08:36,842 And they will leap without a net or without a parachute. 966 01:08:37,013 --> 01:08:38,674 That's when the good stuff happens. 967 01:08:38,848 --> 01:08:41,613 You know, like, to say, "Let's work together." 968 01:08:42,018 --> 01:08:44,885 He can do that, because he has all this-- 969 01:08:45,054 --> 01:08:48,251 That love inside him. It comes out of him. 970 01:08:54,430 --> 01:08:56,922 When they take that leap, they take me with them. 971 01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:59,592 I mean, that's the whole idea. 972 01:09:07,043 --> 01:09:10,411 "We Are the World," Quincy Jones, producer. 973 01:09:13,049 --> 01:09:15,677 When I was on staff as an A&R man... 974 01:09:15,852 --> 01:09:17,251 ...I didn't know producers got paid. 975 01:09:20,023 --> 01:09:22,720 -We were at an A&R session. -Going through bits of business. 976 01:09:22,892 --> 01:09:26,351 - I think it was in Chicago. -Guys were teasing me and Hal Mooney... 977 01:09:26,529 --> 01:09:30,659 ...that we were budget busters because we just recorded good music things... 978 01:09:30,833 --> 01:09:33,097 ...that never made a lot of money. 979 01:09:34,704 --> 01:09:37,264 Irving says, "Here's a record Joe Glaser gave me..." 980 01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:40,501 -This girl was 16 years old. -He played a little taste of it. 981 01:09:41,411 --> 01:09:44,381 And everybody turned it down after listening to it. 982 01:09:44,547 --> 01:09:48,074 -Quincy said, "Wait a minute." -She got a great voice. Got a great style. 983 01:09:48,251 --> 01:09:50,948 So I said, "You take the dub, and the girl's in New York... 984 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:55,023 -...see what you can do with her." -Pop music is not that big a deal to do. 985 01:09:55,191 --> 01:09:59,753 So that record, I took as a kind of a challenge and said, "Okay." 986 01:10:03,266 --> 01:10:04,825 Thank you. 987 01:10:06,803 --> 01:10:09,431 The end of the story is "It's My Party" by Lesley Gore... 988 01:10:12,408 --> 01:10:14,342 ...which was a number one hit. 989 01:10:14,510 --> 01:10:19,914 That was really the beginning of my debut as a pop producer, of pop hits. 990 01:10:20,083 --> 01:10:21,482 That was 7963. 991 01:10:21,651 --> 01:10:23,745 When you say, "pop," that's white, right? 992 01:10:32,195 --> 01:10:35,995 ! was always interested in writing for films, even as a kid. 993 01:10:36,165 --> 01:10:39,533 I didn't think it would ever happen. They didn't have black composers. 994 01:10:43,673 --> 01:10:45,869 When somebody says you can't, I say, "Really?" 995 01:10:46,042 --> 01:10:47,840 Action. Look at camera. 996 01:10:48,010 --> 01:10:49,876 I love that challenge. 997 01:10:50,046 --> 01:10:52,606 The expression of crossing the line and all that... 998 01:10:52,782 --> 01:10:57,447 ...goes not only from racial things. It also crosses levels of society. 999 01:10:57,620 --> 01:10:59,748 Look at camera please. Action. 1000 01:10:59,922 --> 01:11:02,414 Quincy crosses those lines. 1001 01:11:08,231 --> 01:11:10,666 I saw long names on the screen... 1002 01:11:10,833 --> 01:11:12,801 ...with music by Amfitheatrof... 1003 01:11:12,969 --> 01:11:14,437 ...and Tiomkin and long names. 1004 01:11:21,310 --> 01:11:24,371 Quincy found out what his aptitude was... 1005 01:11:24,547 --> 01:11:26,379 ...early on... 1006 01:11:26,549 --> 01:11:30,042 ...and sized up his environment, and survived it... 1007 01:11:30,219 --> 01:11:35,714 ...and then rose above it but never detached himself from it. 1008 01:11:42,365 --> 01:11:44,163 Oh, yeah. 1009 01:11:44,333 --> 01:11:47,200 There's a lot of things that I would have loved to do... 1010 01:11:47,370 --> 01:11:51,466 ...for the stature that I had in the business, selling of records, things like that. 1011 01:11:51,641 --> 01:11:55,703 Well, I was entitled to make pictures and things but I never did. 1012 01:11:57,713 --> 01:11:59,306 I got a call one day... 1013 01:11:59,482 --> 01:12:01,507 ...from a director named Sidney Lumet. 1014 01:12:01,684 --> 01:12:04,710 He had never done a score before, this was his first movie score. 1015 01:12:04,887 --> 01:12:07,049 He said, "I'd like you to come, look at a film. 1016 01:12:07,223 --> 01:12:09,282 Maybe you can do the score for it." 1017 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:15,024 Listen to that bass line in there and it is so threatening. 1018 01:12:15,631 --> 01:12:18,191 And the heartbeat goes again. This is a big step. 1019 01:12:18,367 --> 01:12:23,305 But not in any cliché sense the way a Hollywood composer would have done it. 1020 01:12:23,472 --> 01:12:25,440 I gotta be the one that calls the move. 1021 01:12:25,608 --> 01:12:27,440 We had you figured for that. 1022 01:12:28,945 --> 01:12:32,040 If this thing goes, I say if... 1023 01:12:33,649 --> 01:12:36,710 ...I say when and how. If. 1024 01:12:36,886 --> 01:12:39,878 Quincy was born in a time... 1025 01:12:40,056 --> 01:12:42,423 ...where he could not do anything he wanted to. 1026 01:12:49,732 --> 01:12:52,360 He could not express himself any way he wanted to. 1027 01:12:56,472 --> 01:12:58,201 He had been doing some research... 1028 01:12:58,374 --> 01:13:00,934 ...about music's roots, so to speak, in Africa. 1029 01:13:02,144 --> 01:13:04,044 He was as happy as I am... 1030 01:13:04,213 --> 01:13:07,740 ...when Roots came and really went through the top. 1031 01:13:09,318 --> 01:13:11,286 They were always having to look for... 1032 01:13:11,454 --> 01:13:13,252 ...a certain vehicle for me... 1033 01:13:14,423 --> 01:13:17,393 ...something that was specialized. What for? 1034 01:13:24,467 --> 01:13:28,301 They have to find something specialized for whoever? 1035 01:13:28,471 --> 01:13:30,462 He surprises me in so many ways... 1036 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:36,135 ...because when I heard, back in the '60s, that he had become... 1037 01:13:36,312 --> 01:13:39,338 ...the vice-president in charge... 1038 01:13:39,515 --> 01:13:42,746 ...of artists and repertoire of Mercury Records... 1039 01:13:42,919 --> 01:13:46,446 ...the first black person to reach that level... 1040 01:13:46,622 --> 01:13:50,684 ...I absolutely was so proud. It was just unbelievable. 1041 01:14:02,638 --> 01:14:04,936 The next time I talked to him, he says: 1042 01:14:05,107 --> 01:14:06,438 "Oh, man," he says... 1043 01:14:08,544 --> 01:14:10,205 ..."I'm going out to Hollywood." 1044 01:14:12,715 --> 01:14:14,877 I said, "What about the Mercury job?" 1045 01:14:15,051 --> 01:14:17,679 It scared me because it was like I was selling my soul. 1046 01:14:17,853 --> 01:14:21,619 I said, "Man, that's $50,000 a year. And my soul was worth more than that." 1047 01:14:21,791 --> 01:14:23,623 I said, "You're gonna quit?" 1048 01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:28,729 And he said, "Yeah. I want to go out and write music for motion pictures." 1049 01:14:28,898 --> 01:14:31,162 I just dropped everything and took that chance. 1050 01:14:31,334 --> 01:14:34,827 I said, "I don't know. Maybe I won't make it out there. But I'm going." 1051 01:14:35,004 --> 01:14:36,165 Hitachi AV. 1052 01:14:45,581 --> 01:14:47,071 I gave up my marriage... 1053 01:14:47,249 --> 01:14:48,580 ...and I gave up my job. 1054 01:14:53,522 --> 01:14:56,150 Left New York and just jumped in. 1055 01:14:57,793 --> 01:15:00,558 There were times when I said too, “You're out of your mind." 1056 01:15:00,730 --> 01:15:03,927 After The Pawnbroker, / thought the offers were gonna be rolling in. 1057 01:15:04,100 --> 01:15:05,363 Nothing for two years. 1058 01:15:10,506 --> 01:15:12,634 People asked me at the beginning: 1059 01:15:14,443 --> 01:15:16,468 "How is it working with a black man?" 1060 01:15:16,979 --> 01:15:21,212 I had no idea at that time as hard as this system was to get into... 1061 01:15:21,384 --> 01:15:24,752 ...that there would be a stand-up director like Richard that would say: 1062 01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,116 "Quincy's doing the score. This is not a black picture.” 1063 01:15:27,289 --> 01:15:31,851 He wanted to know how you break into this so you can get a good picture to compose? 1064 01:15:32,028 --> 01:15:34,087 I guess part of it is the-- 1065 01:15:35,097 --> 01:15:37,566 The adventure and the excitement... 1066 01:15:37,733 --> 01:15:40,930 ...and probably the danger of jumping into areas where... 1067 01:15:41,103 --> 01:15:44,630 ...you know that it's not really for real but it is for real. 1068 01:15:44,807 --> 01:15:46,707 And you can get back out. 1069 01:15:53,349 --> 01:15:55,750 I'm up working and thinking about music or whatever. 1070 01:15:55,918 --> 01:15:58,387 And my wife tripped off the alarm, the bell rings. 1071 01:15:58,554 --> 01:16:02,047 And I go to the back door and I see the guards to my house. 1072 01:16:02,224 --> 01:16:07,060 There are 10 guys all out in the backyard with shotguns training right straight on me. 1073 01:16:07,229 --> 01:16:09,459 One standing here and as I step out... 1074 01:16:09,632 --> 01:16:13,466 ...the guy cocks the shotgun and the shotgun's right in my head like this. 1075 01:16:13,636 --> 01:16:14,865 The guy says, "Don't move." 1076 01:16:15,037 --> 01:16:17,404 The last living thing you're ever gonna see. 1077 01:16:18,908 --> 01:16:22,572 And I see his hands with more shells in there, trembling. 1078 01:16:22,745 --> 01:16:25,578 He says, "Who are you?" I said, "This is my home." 1079 01:16:27,083 --> 01:16:30,747 And these are the people that I am paying supposedly for my protection. 1080 01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,116 They didn't know I was the owner of the house. 1081 01:16:39,161 --> 01:16:42,062 Only because I'm black. That's all. 1082 01:16:42,665 --> 01:16:46,431 You hear that sustained note of music that's all the way through this section. 1083 01:16:46,602 --> 01:16:49,264 Rather than tell the ear everything the eye's seeing... 1084 01:16:49,438 --> 01:16:51,133 ...1 let the ear go its way... 1085 01:16:51,307 --> 01:16:53,401 ...and let the eye go its own way. 1086 01:16:53,576 --> 01:16:56,341 We listened to about a hundred tapes of the interrogation... 1087 01:16:56,512 --> 01:16:58,810 ...between the two killers. 1088 01:16:59,482 --> 01:17:02,782 And that's why this thing felt really real. Lord. 1089 01:17:02,952 --> 01:17:04,579 If Quincy has any anger in him... 1090 01:17:04,753 --> 01:17:07,154 ...then he just used the anger just as a challenge... 1091 01:17:07,323 --> 01:17:08,813 ...just as a motivating factor. 1092 01:17:08,991 --> 01:17:10,425 Please don't. 1093 01:17:10,593 --> 01:17:12,152 Please. 1094 01:17:17,666 --> 01:17:21,364 Quincy overcame all the obstacles... 1095 01:17:21,537 --> 01:17:23,972 ...but he had those obstacles. 1096 01:17:28,277 --> 01:17:30,541 If it hadn't been, possibly... 1097 01:17:30,713 --> 01:17:33,705 ...for me, then Quincy wouldn't have made it. 1098 01:17:33,883 --> 01:17:35,851 He's got the key to them doors. 1099 01:17:36,018 --> 01:17:38,715 If it hasn't been for Quincy, somebody else won't make it. 1100 01:17:38,888 --> 01:17:40,014 He got the map to say: 1101 01:17:40,189 --> 01:17:42,715 "This is how you going-- You can get to the next road." 1102 01:17:45,394 --> 01:17:47,863 After In the Heat of the Night, he started talking... 1103 01:17:48,030 --> 01:17:51,159 ...about getting tired of doing movie scores. He's quite right. 1104 01:17:51,333 --> 01:17:56,567 It's a predetermined dramatic structure that you're stuck with. 1105 01:17:56,739 --> 01:18:01,973 I think that if a composer concentrates completely on movies... 1106 01:18:02,144 --> 01:18:06,274 I was doing up to eight movies a year. I must have done 34, 38 films. 1107 01:18:06,448 --> 01:18:09,816 ...he's gonna lose something inside himself. And in his work. 1108 01:18:09,985 --> 01:18:12,613 The sprockets don't change and the conditions don't change. 1109 01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:17,751 In 19689, I think I made my first turn going in a different direction... 1110 01:18:17,927 --> 01:18:21,386 ...with Walking in Space, the whole album in three days. 1111 01:18:21,564 --> 01:18:24,124 ! was frustrated with being locked into synchronization. 1112 01:18:24,300 --> 01:18:26,428 And I just I wanted to just: 1113 01:19:46,315 --> 01:19:49,774 I think that's one of his secrets... 1114 01:19:49,952 --> 01:19:54,685 ...his enormous appeal and the-- 1115 01:19:54,857 --> 01:19:56,985 It's like a mirror. It just comes back. 1116 01:20:00,663 --> 01:20:03,997 He's in love with love too. 1117 01:20:08,203 --> 01:20:11,833 I think Quincy would love to be in love with everybody. 1118 01:20:13,175 --> 01:20:14,540 Oh, sure I loved Peggy. 1119 01:20:14,710 --> 01:20:16,872 I loved Jeri. And I loved Ulla too. 1120 01:20:17,046 --> 01:20:19,037 Quincy is like a... 1121 01:20:19,581 --> 01:20:21,276 He's like a spray gun of love. 1122 01:20:21,450 --> 01:20:24,909 It just goes flying out like shrapnel in all directions, you know? 1123 01:20:25,087 --> 01:20:27,954 And if you're lucky, you'll get caught by some of it. 1124 01:20:28,257 --> 01:20:30,817 Music is very self-centered. 1125 01:20:30,993 --> 01:20:33,485 You have to tune everything else out. 1126 01:20:33,662 --> 01:20:36,029 And it's hard to share. 1127 01:20:38,867 --> 01:20:42,633 And sharing is what marriage is all about. 1128 01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:55,642 All of my wives probably had to perceive all of it as a nightmare... 1129 01:20:55,818 --> 01:21:00,051 ...and probably approached it with hope, in some cases, in front, you know. 1130 01:21:00,222 --> 01:21:05,524 In the beginning, you don't get together with somebody that you don't like a lot. 1131 01:21:12,201 --> 01:21:14,499 My first wife was... 1132 01:21:14,670 --> 01:21:17,401 ...from high school, from 15 years old. 1133 01:21:30,686 --> 01:21:32,017 She was a beautiful lady. 1134 01:21:32,187 --> 01:21:34,155 And we were just there, victims of youth. 1135 01:21:34,323 --> 01:21:37,224 People get married at 20, they don't know what they're doing. 1136 01:21:37,393 --> 01:21:42,854 It was an interracial marriage at a time when that was not the happening thing. 1137 01:21:43,031 --> 01:21:44,897 It's like a little accent. 1138 01:21:45,067 --> 01:21:47,729 Yes, it's like an accent on the downbeat. 1139 01:21:47,903 --> 01:21:50,873 I always had to have somebody there that was supposed to... 1140 01:21:51,039 --> 01:21:52,529 ...supposedly taking care of me. 1141 01:21:56,678 --> 01:22:00,740 It was all about saving in whatever areas they could save in. 1142 01:22:00,916 --> 01:22:03,613 Not going to the movies, not having babysitters. 1143 01:22:03,786 --> 01:22:06,118 So that my father could take the extra money... 1144 01:22:06,288 --> 01:22:09,724 ...and go down to wherever he had to go to be with the right people... 1145 01:22:09,892 --> 01:22:12,589 ...to get where he wanted to go. 1146 01:22:18,066 --> 01:22:21,263 Jeri used to take the music and when you finished, you got deadlines. 1147 01:22:21,437 --> 01:22:23,235 <i>You put it in a Manila envelope.</i> 1148 01:22:23,405 --> 01:22:26,306 She'd rush over to Bunny Bartlett or Sam Herman, the copyist. 1149 01:22:26,475 --> 01:22:28,705 Have it copied., 4:00 in the morning. 1150 01:22:28,877 --> 01:22:30,936 In the music business, it doesn't matter. 1151 01:22:32,548 --> 01:22:36,746 When I was very little, like, probably about 4 or 5 or something... 1152 01:22:36,919 --> 01:22:40,913 ...and my mother and I were somewhere waiting for him in a restaurant. 1153 01:22:41,824 --> 01:22:43,758 And I don't remember it specifically... 1154 01:22:43,926 --> 01:22:45,360 ...but I know that, you know... 1155 01:22:45,527 --> 01:22:47,291 ...he never showed up. 1156 01:22:47,463 --> 01:22:51,525 And my mother tells me that I, you know, used to say to her: 1157 01:22:51,700 --> 01:22:53,634 <i>“I don't know why we're waiting.</i> 1158 01:22:53,802 --> 01:22:55,668 You know, he's not gonna come." 1159 01:22:56,305 --> 01:22:57,636 Like... 1160 01:23:01,944 --> 01:23:03,935 Boy, what a dog. 1161 01:23:06,148 --> 01:23:08,947 My mother and I just thought it was-- 1162 01:23:09,117 --> 01:23:12,678 He had this genius in him, and it had to happen. 1163 01:23:12,855 --> 01:23:15,688 It was happening, you know? It was something that had to be. 1164 01:23:15,858 --> 01:23:18,327 And everything else was second. 1165 01:23:18,494 --> 01:23:21,930 Which wasn't so right to do for us... 1166 01:23:22,097 --> 01:23:23,622 ...but that's how it was. 1167 01:23:23,799 --> 01:23:26,359 My activity during that time... 1168 01:23:26,535 --> 01:23:27,661 ...was about survival. 1169 01:23:27,836 --> 01:23:29,634 I was trying to grow professionally. 1170 01:23:29,805 --> 01:23:33,070 She wanted him to be able to have his dream. 1171 01:23:33,242 --> 01:23:34,869 Start lighter. Just like a wind... 1172 01:23:35,043 --> 01:23:37,512 ...that just comes in, a breeze that just comes in. 1173 01:23:39,548 --> 01:23:43,246 Continued my life like I was a single man. 1174 01:23:46,989 --> 01:23:50,186 And we just plowed through it, and did the best we could... 1175 01:23:50,359 --> 01:23:53,056 ...but it just couldn't-- We couldn't stay together. 1176 01:23:55,097 --> 01:23:57,930 The life just went right out of the house. I mean-- 1177 01:23:58,100 --> 01:24:00,501 And I know it happens each time, you know? 1178 01:24:00,669 --> 01:24:02,068 I know it happened to... 1179 01:24:02,237 --> 01:24:05,969 ...both sets of other children. 1180 01:24:06,141 --> 01:24:09,907 The phone stops ringing. You know, people don't come over anymore. 1181 01:24:10,078 --> 01:24:13,946 There's not this action going on. And it's really... 1182 01:24:14,116 --> 01:24:16,141 ...kind of strange. 1183 01:24:17,286 --> 01:24:19,380 -Are we starting all over? -Yeah. 1184 01:24:19,555 --> 01:24:21,887 I wasn't in any better shape for the second. 1185 01:24:22,057 --> 01:24:25,493 It was a matter of months before I got back into the same pattern. 1186 01:24:25,661 --> 01:24:28,187 Probably trying to create that nest again. 1187 01:24:33,168 --> 01:24:36,069 ! was happy when he married Ulla... 1188 01:24:36,238 --> 01:24:39,469 ...because I wanted to be part of a family. 1189 01:24:39,641 --> 01:24:42,269 And having sisters and brothers... 1190 01:24:42,878 --> 01:24:44,607 ...meant that I was... 1191 01:24:44,780 --> 01:24:47,750 Three weeks into it, I knew it would never work, you know? 1192 01:24:47,916 --> 01:24:50,214 --You know, be close to and love. 1193 01:24:51,753 --> 01:24:52,777 But we had... 1194 01:24:52,955 --> 01:24:56,653 -This is not good for my kids. -It was just obvious, you know... 1195 01:24:56,825 --> 01:24:58,691 ...that my father was a ladies' man. 1196 01:25:01,029 --> 01:25:02,224 One more. 1197 01:25:02,397 --> 01:25:06,163 Girl, can't you see that I want to be just what you need, to make it happen. 1198 01:25:06,435 --> 01:25:08,904 I can be your one-man woman. 1199 01:25:16,111 --> 01:25:18,341 You gotta say, "If you want," so and so and so. 1200 01:25:18,513 --> 01:25:20,641 “I know what I need to do to make it happen.” 1201 01:25:22,618 --> 01:25:24,950 "Baby I know for sure I said it before.” 1202 01:25:40,602 --> 01:25:42,127 That one was nice. 1203 01:26:00,856 --> 01:26:02,688 My third marriage... 1204 01:26:04,493 --> 01:26:06,154 Peggy was different. 1205 01:26:06,361 --> 01:26:09,695 Okay, we're gonna run one more. Just for you. 1206 01:26:42,998 --> 01:26:45,899 The first difference was... 1207 01:26:46,068 --> 01:26:48,332 ...that Peggy was with a family... 1208 01:26:48,503 --> 01:26:53,031 ...that the mother and father had been together for, what, 35, 39 years? 1209 01:26:53,208 --> 01:26:54,698 The same mother and father. 1210 01:26:56,545 --> 01:26:59,776 That was something that was missing from my whole life. 1211 01:27:02,317 --> 01:27:03,375 My father was alone. 1212 01:27:03,552 --> 01:27:07,318 He had split up with Ulla, I was saying, “Why don't you go out with somebody." 1213 01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:15,091 Peggy had just enjoyed five years of being the most successful television star... 1214 01:27:15,263 --> 01:27:17,231 ...in America on Mod Squad. 1215 01:27:17,399 --> 01:27:19,299 She was tired of show business... 1216 01:27:19,468 --> 01:27:22,768 ...and wanted to settle down. And that seemed like it was just perfect. 1217 01:27:27,576 --> 01:27:30,773 She said, "I just want somebody to love me that I can love." 1218 01:27:30,946 --> 01:27:33,313 And she wanted to have children. 1219 01:27:33,482 --> 01:27:36,747 I asked her if she wanted to go to dinner with my father and I. 1220 01:27:36,918 --> 01:27:39,250 In fact, I moved into her house... 1221 01:27:39,521 --> 01:27:42,821 ...and we lived there for about a year before we got our own home. 1222 01:27:42,991 --> 01:27:46,291 And my father doesn't drive, so I drove the two of them... 1223 01:27:46,461 --> 01:27:48,225 ...and they were together ever since. 1224 01:27:51,867 --> 01:27:53,426 He really loves his career. 1225 01:27:53,602 --> 01:27:58,506 If the family thing happens to suffer from it... 1226 01:27:58,673 --> 01:28:03,509 ... don't think it's just something that he has any control over. 1227 01:28:03,678 --> 01:28:07,239 Going along for the ride and when you see a nice piece you just bite it off. 1228 01:28:07,415 --> 01:28:09,281 You can't do a career like... 1229 01:28:09,451 --> 01:28:12,318 ...he's done a career and be the perfect father. 1230 01:28:12,487 --> 01:28:17,118 I don't know whether you've ever seen him write but he gets his head kind of cocked... 1231 01:28:17,292 --> 01:28:20,489 ...as if the notes were stabbing him in the back. 1232 01:28:20,662 --> 01:28:25,224 The only way you could really get to him was to hit a different key... 1233 01:28:25,400 --> 01:28:26,765 ...than what he was listening. 1234 01:28:26,935 --> 01:28:29,927 Then when you would do this, he would say, "No! No!" 1235 01:28:30,405 --> 01:28:33,204 You got to tell yourself... 1236 01:28:33,375 --> 01:28:36,572 ...that God did not tell you how much time you got... 1237 01:28:36,745 --> 01:28:38,577 ...and so, what is it all about? 1238 01:28:38,747 --> 01:28:40,909 You don't need to kill your damn self, you know? 1239 01:28:41,082 --> 01:28:43,710 I love you too much. You have to stay here with me. 1240 01:28:47,322 --> 01:28:48,312 Double time. 1241 01:28:48,490 --> 01:28:51,357 At one point, I was getting real nervous and scared about him. 1242 01:28:51,526 --> 01:28:56,362 I felt maybe he might overwork himself and become too exhausted. 1243 01:28:56,531 --> 01:28:58,192 It won't grow anymore. 1244 01:28:58,366 --> 01:29:00,300 Next thing you know he's... 1245 01:29:00,468 --> 01:29:04,063 ...going to wind up with some kind of, you know... 1246 01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:06,037 ...heart murmur. So you never know. 1247 01:29:34,169 --> 01:29:36,001 And I got this call from Seattle... 1248 01:29:36,171 --> 01:29:40,039 ...from my relatives in Seattle, saying, "How is he? What's going on?" 1249 01:29:40,208 --> 01:29:43,143 Daddy, is this the scar? 1250 01:29:43,612 --> 01:29:44,841 "What are you talking about?" 1251 01:29:45,013 --> 01:29:46,276 It's called an aneurysm. 1252 01:29:46,681 --> 01:29:48,979 I've never seen that before. 1253 01:29:53,021 --> 01:29:56,184 An aneurysm, it's equivalent to 16 strokes. 1254 01:29:56,358 --> 01:29:59,555 It's like a hose, with water full force and you let it loose... 1255 01:29:59,728 --> 01:30:01,355 ...it just goes all over the place. 1256 01:30:01,529 --> 01:30:04,863 Like somebody just shot the whole back of my head out. 1257 01:30:09,671 --> 01:30:13,005 Pain. And I just kept screaming, "Help. Help me." 1258 01:30:24,886 --> 01:30:26,411 The main artery had erupted. 1259 01:30:26,588 --> 01:30:30,388 The brain was so damaged and swollen up, if they went in then... 1260 01:30:30,558 --> 01:30:32,253 ...it would jump out of your head. 1261 01:30:39,467 --> 01:30:43,461 The rough one was the second time. They said, "You're okay. You'll live through this. 1262 01:30:43,638 --> 01:30:47,097 You have another one, and we have to go back and get that one too." 1263 01:30:51,346 --> 01:30:54,145 The second time they go in, you're as clear as I am now. 1264 01:30:54,883 --> 01:30:57,614 They go in and out. 1265 01:30:57,953 --> 01:31:01,184 They do their number. They drill a hole, drill a hole, drill a hole. 1266 01:31:01,356 --> 01:31:03,518 I had just total freaked-out anxiety. 1267 01:31:03,692 --> 01:31:05,660 One out of a hundred lives through this. 1268 01:31:06,094 --> 01:31:08,791 And they take the saw, and they cut out little blocks. 1269 01:31:08,964 --> 01:31:11,160 They pull the flap all the way back. 1270 01:31:12,834 --> 01:31:15,064 And it looks like an oyster. 1271 01:31:15,236 --> 01:31:17,898 I thought about Kidada. She hadn't called me "Daddy" then. 1272 01:31:20,141 --> 01:31:25,136 They put a clip around the artery, just put the blocks back in, and... 1273 01:31:25,547 --> 01:31:29,108 ...pull the flap up, and they make you sign these releases. 1274 01:31:29,284 --> 01:31:31,446 So I asked what this bag is... 1275 01:31:31,619 --> 01:31:35,351 ...and they said it's the hair they shaved off before the operation. 1276 01:31:35,523 --> 01:31:38,788 And if you don't make it, they want you to look good on your way out... 1277 01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:41,019 ...when you're catching that morning train. 1278 01:31:50,905 --> 01:31:53,897 ! know that he was supposed to cool it then. 1279 01:31:54,075 --> 01:31:58,603 That the doctors told him that he shouldn't be going at such full speed. 1280 01:31:59,347 --> 01:32:03,682 And he did for a minute. And now I think he's going twice as fast as he ever did. 1281 01:32:03,852 --> 01:32:07,083 I always thought I had wires in me and nothing could ever happen. 1282 01:32:07,255 --> 01:32:09,747 But that's what he lives for and that's how he is. 1283 01:32:09,924 --> 01:32:13,087 And I think he'd die if he had to sit somewhere and not do anything. 1284 01:32:13,361 --> 01:32:16,922 Everything he does, it gets bigger and bigger and bigger now. 1285 01:32:17,098 --> 01:32:19,430 The career seemed to be... 1286 01:32:19,601 --> 01:32:21,933 ...the given, the steady. 1287 01:32:24,039 --> 01:32:28,203 So whatever happened, I always ran for that because that would never let me down. 1288 01:32:28,410 --> 01:32:30,435 Come on, Dorothy! Come on! 1289 01:32:34,382 --> 01:32:37,613 I hated doing The Wiz, I did not want to do it. 1290 01:32:37,786 --> 01:32:39,777 Sidney knew that. I didn't like the music. 1291 01:32:39,954 --> 01:32:42,446 -Didn't like script. -Referred to it as "polishing shit." 1292 01:32:42,757 --> 01:32:45,522 Quincy knows how to handle that. I can't do that. 1293 01:32:45,693 --> 01:32:49,891 In a way, something was offended in him, I think by the... 1294 01:32:50,065 --> 01:32:51,555 Quincy has a stone face. 1295 01:32:51,733 --> 01:32:55,931 By the lack of musical sophistication. The lack of real musical bite in that score. 1296 01:32:56,104 --> 01:32:57,799 I'm Ahmet Ertegun. 1297 01:32:57,972 --> 01:32:59,531 Chairman of Atlantic Records. 1298 01:32:59,707 --> 01:33:01,106 Quincy has... 1299 01:33:01,276 --> 01:33:03,142 ...a very keen sense... 1300 01:33:03,311 --> 01:33:06,246 ...of what the public is going to like. 1301 01:33:06,414 --> 01:33:10,817 But that doesn't always coincide with what he really likes himself. 1302 01:33:11,653 --> 01:33:14,054 You have to have a mask, invisible. 1303 01:33:14,289 --> 01:33:15,586 If I hadn't done The Wiz... 1304 01:33:15,757 --> 01:33:17,691 ...I wouldn't have worked with Michael. 1305 01:33:17,859 --> 01:33:19,623 Whatever he has to do, he does it. 1306 01:33:19,794 --> 01:33:22,786 So it's strange, the way it works out. 1307 01:33:27,936 --> 01:33:31,600 When we were getting ready to do Michael's first album... 1308 01:33:31,773 --> 01:33:34,936 ...an Epic solo album, Off the Wall... 1309 01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:37,772 ...most people at Epic didn't think that I was the right guy. 1310 01:33:41,583 --> 01:33:43,278 He stays in touch, he stays in tune. 1311 01:33:44,786 --> 01:33:46,413 They thought it would be too jazzy. 1312 01:33:46,588 --> 01:33:49,922 He was classified as a jazz arranger, a jazz producer. 1313 01:33:50,091 --> 01:33:51,581 I didn't have a track record... 1314 01:33:51,759 --> 01:33:56,219 ...in making a lot of dance records outside of the Brothers Johnson. 1315 01:33:56,397 --> 01:34:00,197 I was under the impression that he was a jazz player or something like that. 1316 01:34:06,307 --> 01:34:09,004 He knows what he has to do and he doesn't mind doing it. 1317 01:34:09,577 --> 01:34:11,204 I wasn't really aware... 1318 01:34:11,379 --> 01:34:16,180 ...of everything he did until, I think, after the Michael Jackson mania blew up. 1319 01:34:16,784 --> 01:34:19,185 You have to be another person. 1320 01:34:19,654 --> 01:34:21,349 I'm stuck with this one. 1321 01:34:28,129 --> 01:34:29,358 Creativity... 1322 01:34:29,531 --> 01:34:30,692 It's ragged, I'll get it. 1323 01:34:30,865 --> 01:34:33,960 ...implies an ability to change. 1324 01:34:34,135 --> 01:34:35,830 I love changing. 1325 01:34:39,641 --> 01:34:42,975 -We did Thriller and Bad. -Off the Wall and Bad. 1326 01:34:43,745 --> 01:34:46,737 Quincy's good for the music business. 1327 01:34:46,915 --> 01:34:49,680 On the black side and on the other side. 1328 01:34:49,851 --> 01:34:53,879 All my life, I wanted to see an entertainer like Michael really do his thing... 1329 01:34:54,055 --> 01:34:56,922 ...with no limitations, no boundaries. 1330 01:34:58,860 --> 01:35:01,329 No preconceived ideas about what he should do. 1331 01:35:01,496 --> 01:35:03,089 How far he should go or anything. 1332 01:35:03,264 --> 01:35:05,596 Michael was able to communicate... 1333 01:35:05,767 --> 01:35:09,226 ...with a lot of white people that would have never... 1334 01:35:09,404 --> 01:35:11,372 ... thought about a Michael Jackson before. 1335 01:35:11,539 --> 01:35:14,634 He's showing a lot of black people, "Look, man... 1336 01:35:14,809 --> 01:35:18,905 ...if I can do this, then you can too." 1337 01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:22,414 Selling the music, selling the person. 1338 01:35:25,687 --> 01:35:26,813 Quincy knows all that. 1339 01:35:26,988 --> 01:35:32,893 It was developing Michael as a major, major international musical... 1340 01:35:33,061 --> 01:35:34,790 ...and entertaining force. 1341 01:35:51,312 --> 01:35:54,612 This is the first time kids around the world ever had a black hero. 1342 01:35:54,782 --> 01:35:57,717 He transcended how far a black artist can go. 1343 01:35:57,885 --> 01:36:01,822 We just wanted to be real innovative, but melody was very important. 1344 01:36:01,990 --> 01:36:03,890 We just wanted to make magic. 1345 01:36:10,565 --> 01:36:13,500 We were lucky enough to have our stuff together. 1346 01:36:13,668 --> 01:36:15,864 Songs, the right artist, who was Smelly... 1347 01:36:16,037 --> 01:36:18,301 ...and on top of that we had a great vehicle... 1348 01:36:18,473 --> 01:36:19,599 ...which was video. 1349 01:36:19,774 --> 01:36:21,264 We had seven top-10 singles. 1350 01:36:21,442 --> 01:36:24,241 Quincy just shot him off the launch pad. 1351 01:36:24,412 --> 01:36:26,938 Thriller sold 40 million albums. 1352 01:36:27,115 --> 01:36:29,982 And the producer of the year is Quincy Jones, Michael Jackson. 1353 01:36:30,151 --> 01:36:32,643 The record of the year is "Beat It," Michael Jackson. 1354 01:36:32,820 --> 01:36:34,447 Thriller, Quincy Jones, producer. 1355 01:36:34,622 --> 01:36:37,023 One of the greatest entertainers of the 20th century. 1356 01:36:37,191 --> 01:36:39,091 I mean it from all my heart. 1357 01:36:46,401 --> 01:36:48,927 And I'd like to thank everybody I thanked before... 1358 01:36:49,103 --> 01:36:51,128 ...my family and mainly the public... 1359 01:36:51,306 --> 01:36:53,297 ...that made this thing happen. 1360 01:36:57,278 --> 01:36:59,576 All of the forces and it-- This is when... 1361 01:36:59,747 --> 01:37:03,149 ...a person that doesn't believe in a higher power... 1362 01:37:03,618 --> 01:37:07,020 ...has got to be a little bent, because there are too many things... 1363 01:37:07,188 --> 01:37:10,055 ...that came together for that to just be an accident. 1364 01:37:17,632 --> 01:37:18,929 Thank you. 1365 01:37:35,883 --> 01:37:38,511 You just consider the whole world a part of your dream... 1366 01:37:38,686 --> 01:37:44,318 ...and you just conveniently turn off what's uncomfortable to you... 1367 01:37:44,492 --> 01:37:46,221 ...and you ignore it, you neglect it. 1368 01:37:46,394 --> 01:37:48,488 Oh, man. 1369 01:37:50,998 --> 01:37:52,830 Jesus Christ. 1370 01:37:55,303 --> 01:37:59,365 We're gonna bring back brother James Ingram... 1371 01:37:59,807 --> 01:38:01,332 ...to talk to you about... 1372 01:38:01,509 --> 01:38:04,035 ...how to hold on to your lady. 1373 01:38:06,047 --> 01:38:07,208 I got lost. 1374 01:38:07,482 --> 01:38:11,043 My home life was falling apart... 1375 01:38:11,219 --> 01:38:13,313 ...and it's not working too well... 1376 01:38:13,488 --> 01:38:15,957 ...and I think it was at the crisis state. 1377 01:38:16,124 --> 01:38:17,614 My wife... 1378 01:38:17,792 --> 01:38:22,457 ...who chose to take care of me, rather than pursue her own career... 1379 01:38:22,630 --> 01:38:24,428 ...and our family and I love her. 1380 01:38:26,467 --> 01:38:32,031 That really saddened me when that marriage broke up. 1381 01:38:32,206 --> 01:38:34,607 Until this last. 1382 01:38:35,276 --> 01:38:39,804 This divorce, you know, from my third marriage, really, you know... 1383 01:38:39,981 --> 01:38:43,474 ...it affected me very strongly, emotionally. 1384 01:38:43,651 --> 01:38:46,450 It made me have to reassess... 1385 01:38:46,621 --> 01:38:48,089 ...my essence as a human being. 1386 01:38:51,759 --> 01:38:57,630 He didn't see things coming until they were right on top of him. 1387 01:38:57,799 --> 01:39:02,134 Usually, I've been so involved in my work that ! just... 1388 01:39:02,303 --> 01:39:05,637 ...keep in motion without thinking about too many other things. 1389 01:39:06,140 --> 01:39:09,701 And just along the way, so many things that-- 1390 01:39:19,420 --> 01:39:21,718 Oh, God, it's been so long... 1391 01:39:29,230 --> 01:39:31,096 I lost my point again. 1392 01:39:31,265 --> 01:39:34,030 You keep veering off, going to other things. 1393 01:39:34,202 --> 01:39:35,931 There's so much association there. 1394 01:39:36,103 --> 01:39:39,630 Everything starts with one thing and it's just like a chain association. 1395 01:39:39,807 --> 01:39:41,969 It's a dream deprived, that you can't dream... 1396 01:39:42,143 --> 01:39:44,009 ...and so I hadn't dreamed for 10 months. 1397 01:39:44,178 --> 01:39:47,148 Everything you think about just goes off into 17 tributaries. 1398 01:39:47,315 --> 01:39:48,510 What does it mean? 1399 01:39:48,683 --> 01:39:51,277 I didn't realize how heavy it was, so... 1400 01:39:51,452 --> 01:39:53,546 ...I think he tried to keep it... 1401 01:39:53,721 --> 01:39:55,450 I don't think anybody did... 1402 01:39:55,623 --> 01:39:59,685 -...until he had to go away. -<i> I couldn't look at myself in the mirror.</i> 1403 01:39:59,861 --> 01:40:03,957 Couldn't look at myself. I had eyes, like-- So, what happens, you turn on yourself. 1404 01:40:04,131 --> 01:40:05,530 And you get schizophrenic. 1405 01:40:05,700 --> 01:40:08,192 <i>I was supposed to go into Michael's album...</i> 1406 01:40:08,369 --> 01:40:09,768 Nobody was there, you know? 1407 01:40:09,937 --> 01:40:11,996 The doctor came to me and said. 1408 01:40:12,173 --> 01:40:14,039 A nervous breakdown. 1409 01:40:14,208 --> 01:40:16,108 I looked in your eyes. You've got problems." 1410 01:40:16,277 --> 01:40:18,405 He said, "You have an adrenal syndrome." 1411 01:40:18,579 --> 01:40:22,948 A whole tunnel opened up in the sky, and it was white and gold. 1412 01:40:23,117 --> 01:40:26,917 It went all the way up to heaven. It was scary. My soul left my body over there. 1413 01:40:27,522 --> 01:40:29,456 It really did, man. I swear to God. 1414 01:40:29,624 --> 01:40:33,720 There's these clinics, mental homes. Swear to God. I was ready to go. That was it. 1415 01:40:33,895 --> 01:40:37,092 -I'll spend my life in one of these funny farms. -When he went to Tahiti. 1416 01:40:37,265 --> 01:40:41,827 You're out of control. I couldn't write. Totally incoherent. Could not get it together 1417 01:40:42,003 --> 01:40:43,368 It was a strange postcard. 1418 01:40:46,173 --> 01:40:50,508 He told us how much he missed us, how much he loved us... 1419 01:40:50,678 --> 01:40:54,876 ...and that he'd been trying to write this card for 10 days. 1420 01:40:55,316 --> 01:40:58,718 And I thought, "Boy, you know... 1421 01:40:58,886 --> 01:41:01,480 ...he must really be having a hard time." 1422 01:41:02,924 --> 01:41:08,226 And so that's a real dramatic change from coming out of, you know... 1423 01:41:08,396 --> 01:41:12,026 ...Thriller, We are the World, and The Color Purple and everything else... 1424 01:41:12,199 --> 01:41:14,531 ...right straight to that, it was like God... 1425 01:41:14,702 --> 01:41:16,101 ...making you pay attention. 1426 01:41:16,270 --> 01:41:18,068 They did tell him to slow down. 1427 01:41:18,239 --> 01:41:20,105 And I do worry... 1428 01:41:24,445 --> 01:41:27,073 ...because I don't want him to go away. 1429 01:41:32,853 --> 01:41:35,117 I was looking for a truth to pull me through this. 1430 01:41:35,289 --> 01:41:38,088 And it had made me totally... 1431 01:41:38,259 --> 01:41:41,388 ...reassess how I want to spend the rest of my life. 1432 01:41:42,063 --> 01:41:43,861 My father... 1433 01:41:44,031 --> 01:41:48,559 ...his thing was about, you know, your inner pride. 1434 01:41:48,869 --> 01:41:52,066 He kind of wrote the chord changes... 1435 01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:54,037 ...and he kind of left it up to us... 1436 01:41:54,208 --> 01:41:56,040 ...to write the lyrics. 1437 01:41:56,210 --> 01:41:59,441 Put yourself together. He used to say a thing to us all the time... 1438 01:41:59,981 --> 01:42:02,882 ...that my brother and I remember. At the time, it used to be... 1439 01:42:04,218 --> 01:42:05,276 ...a pain in the butt. 1440 01:42:05,453 --> 01:42:09,014 But later on, he used to say... 1441 01:42:10,925 --> 01:42:12,256 He had a little saying. 1442 01:42:12,426 --> 01:42:14,724 He said, "If the task is once begun... 1443 01:42:14,895 --> 01:42:17,262 ...never leave it until it's done. 1444 01:42:17,431 --> 01:42:19,229 Be the tabor great or small... 1445 01:42:20,067 --> 01:42:21,660 ...do it well or not at all." 1446 01:42:21,836 --> 01:42:23,565 And he always told us that, you know? 1447 01:42:23,738 --> 01:42:25,934 It's just about never half-stepping at anything. 1448 01:42:26,407 --> 01:42:27,932 Get up. 1449 01:42:36,417 --> 01:42:38,408 We expected a great album. 1450 01:42:38,586 --> 01:42:39,985 I picture... 1451 01:42:40,154 --> 01:42:42,418 But what we got was even beyond that. 1452 01:42:42,590 --> 01:42:44,422 ...myself... 1453 01:42:44,659 --> 01:42:46,127 ...not... 1454 01:42:47,461 --> 01:42:49,486 ...So myopic. 1455 01:42:50,364 --> 01:42:51,832 Quincy. 1456 01:42:53,134 --> 01:42:56,502 I picture myself not so myopic about... 1457 01:42:59,707 --> 01:43:03,644 ...what my work is about that my life... 1458 01:43:03,811 --> 01:43:05,301 ...gets sacrificed all the time. 1459 01:43:08,949 --> 01:43:11,975 My life gets sacrificed all the time. ! used to do that. 1460 01:43:12,153 --> 01:43:14,645 I didn't care about anything but work, all the time. 1461 01:43:18,159 --> 01:43:21,424 All the time. I think that I'm finding... 1462 01:43:22,596 --> 01:43:25,156 ...out about what the joy of balancing the two things... 1463 01:43:25,332 --> 01:43:26,766 Are we all making him a card? 1464 01:43:26,934 --> 01:43:30,165 I don't know. I guess we should just-- We should just... 1465 01:43:41,082 --> 01:43:42,413 Thank you. 1466 01:43:47,288 --> 01:43:51,816 Balancing the two things, allow yourself to have joy in your life. 1467 01:43:52,059 --> 01:43:54,994 My name is Jolie Jones-Levine and I love you. 1468 01:43:58,399 --> 01:44:03,200 My name is Quincy D., III, and I'm 21 and happy birthday, Dude. 1469 01:44:03,370 --> 01:44:05,236 I'm Rachel. I'm only 26. 1470 01:44:06,073 --> 01:44:08,565 Oh, yeah. My name is Kidada. I'm almost 16. 1471 01:44:08,743 --> 01:44:10,837 Happy birthday, Daddy. 1472 01:44:15,816 --> 01:44:18,615 I'm Rashida Leah Jones. 1473 01:44:18,786 --> 01:44:21,721 I'm Tina Jones and I'm 23. 1474 01:44:24,125 --> 01:44:26,025 Allow yourself to have joy. 1475 01:44:26,193 --> 01:44:28,525 That also will affect how your work is. 1476 01:44:28,696 --> 01:44:30,221 This album, Back on the Block... 1477 01:44:30,397 --> 01:44:33,526 ...is the project that all my life I've dreamed about. 1478 01:44:33,834 --> 01:44:37,293 I'm changing, in a changing process now the last four years. 1479 01:44:43,944 --> 01:44:45,434 The last four years. 1480 01:44:45,613 --> 01:44:48,310 And it's like a realignment of everything else that... 1481 01:44:54,955 --> 01:44:56,218 It's like a realignment... 1482 01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:59,018 ...the way I remembered everything. 1483 01:45:00,361 --> 01:45:02,625 Look at this. I remember this. 1484 01:45:03,430 --> 01:45:04,693 I remember this so well. 1485 01:45:09,370 --> 01:45:12,101 That the way I remembered everything it's becoming... 1486 01:45:15,142 --> 01:45:18,772 I guess it was my 5th birthday party. 1487 01:45:19,980 --> 01:45:21,709 There was a cake, a birthday cake. 1488 01:45:21,882 --> 01:45:23,714 A coconut cake. 1489 01:45:24,385 --> 01:45:26,979 And my mother, she threw it off the back porch. 1490 01:45:30,291 --> 01:45:31,622 Oh, boy. 1491 01:45:37,665 --> 01:45:39,861 There was hair all over it, coconut hair all over it. 1492 01:45:40,034 --> 01:45:43,698 I didn't understand it. I didn't understand why she did it, you know? 1493 01:45:44,905 --> 01:45:47,966 And you know what's funny? I hate coconut. 1494 01:45:48,375 --> 01:45:50,275 And who are you, mister? 1495 01:45:55,149 --> 01:45:58,949 I am a 57-year-old happy, happy person... 1496 01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:03,750 ...to be blessed by so many beautiful people in my heart and in my life. 1497 01:46:12,466 --> 01:46:16,733 I couldn't understand it. I didn't understand what was wrong. It was a birthday cake. 1498 01:46:18,172 --> 01:46:21,608 At the time, it was dancing in my head, you know, a lot. 1499 01:46:22,743 --> 01:46:25,041 At one point, I stopped thinking about myself... 1500 01:46:25,212 --> 01:46:28,147 ...and I started thinking about her and how much she loved us. 1501 01:46:31,852 --> 01:46:33,786 I got it, you know? 1502 01:46:34,221 --> 01:46:35,814 It was real late but I got it. 1503 01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:40,291 Maybe because he was Quincy Jones, a musician person... 1504 01:46:40,461 --> 01:46:45,490 ...I wanted him to be that kind of father, and you just can't. 1505 01:46:45,666 --> 01:46:49,193 I just love it when people tell me, "Oh, Quincy Jones, that's your father? 1506 01:46:49,370 --> 01:46:50,929 Oh, he's great." 1507 01:46:51,105 --> 01:46:53,267 And I'm very proud of what he does. 1508 01:46:53,440 --> 01:46:58,241 And the things he's made possible for the world and for me. 1509 01:47:35,983 --> 01:47:38,645 Tell you what. At the end of that, with what's happening... 1510 01:47:38,819 --> 01:47:41,914 ...can you say, "They still believe in love, sweet love"? 1511 01:47:42,756 --> 01:47:47,091 They still believe in love, sweet love. 1512 01:47:48,329 --> 01:47:51,060 -Incredible. Incredible. -Have mercy. 1513 01:47:51,231 --> 01:47:52,426 Here we go. 1513 01:47:53,305 --> 01:48:53,409 Watch Online Movies and Series for FREE www.osdb.link/lm